New Jersey official: We didn’t take the kid because he’s named after Hitler
posted at 8:00 pm on January 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
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“Just to be clear, removal of a child from a family is only done when there’s an imminent danger to a child and that wouldn’t include the child’s name alone,” spokeswoman Kate Bernyk said. “We wouldn’t remove a child based on their name.”
Dad, who’s never been shy with the media, has conspicuously clammed up on why the kids were taken. Make of that what you will. A local cop told Fox News that he’s dealt with the family for years but that the father’s always been “very good” with the children. On the other hand:
When I interviewed neighbors of the family last month, Sally Miller, who lives down the road from the Campbells, said they had trick-or-treated at her home (not dressed as storm troopers, or anything–just regular Halloween costumes).
Adolf’s mom, Deborah Campbell, was pregnant at the time, and when Miller congratulated her, she joked about fighting a lot with her husband. Miller also said other neighbors had heard the couple arguing.
Eh. I imagine the fights would have to be awfully bad for DSS to judge them a threat to the children’s safety, although they are of course grading on a curve in this case. In fact, according to a story in the Star-Ledger when the news about the kid first broke, this isn’t the first run-in the agency’s had with the family. Hmmm:
In the foyer, Heath Campbell, who said he has German ancestry and a relative who fought for the SS, took off boots he said were worn by a Nazi solider named Daniel.
He laid them next to a skull with a swastika on its forehead, the first of dozens of swastikas seen by the Campbells’ rare guests.
There are swastikas on walls, on jackets, on the freezer and on a pillow. The family car had swastikas, Heath Campbell said, until New Jersey’s Department of Children and Families told him they could endanger the children.
At the Guardian, they’re already endorsing state seizure of children from atmospheres “of obvious poison.” What could go wrong? Exit question: Given the state agency’s warning about swastikas on the car, should we be reading their statement about the kids more skeptically? It may be true, strictly speaking, that the children weren’t taken because of their names, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t taken because of the various other ways in which their parents expressed their Nazi sympathies. If the fear is that the Campbells’ politics had made them so unpopular in the neighborhood as to endanger the kids’ lives, then arguably the state’s entitled to swoop in and “rescue” any child whose parents are a target. Does that mean if a Jewish family moves into a neighborhood with a heavy white-supremacist presence that DSS gets to take their kids?
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What’s wrong with Star Wars? I dressed as a clone trooper one year.
BadgerHawk on January 14, 2009 at 8:08 PM
And that’s rich, given their ever so nuanced views regarding anti-semetism.
BadgerHawk on January 14, 2009 at 8:10 PM
I hope not, because the Dems have been counting on little Hitler to run for Pres after Hussein is finished.
progressoverpeace on January 14, 2009 at 8:11 PM
OMG. What will they do when they find someone really bad – like a parent that named their kid Hussein.
faraway on January 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM
I’m going to name my next son Darth.
jgapinoy on January 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM
I’d like to see more information before commenting about this, however, the “parents” have been begging for attention, sadly, through their innocent children.
…and attention is what they got.
perroviejo on January 14, 2009 at 8:14 PM
So they should remove girls from homes where they might be susceptible to “honor killings”? Or am I just being culturally insensitive.
rbj on January 14, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Maybe it’s something to do with the skull…
beththebaker on January 14, 2009 at 8:16 PM
I am taking a wait and see attitude on this, it is hard to believe there isn’t more to the story.
Cindy Munford on January 14, 2009 at 8:19 PM
All the state did is tell them the obvious: That if you have swastikas all over your car, it may be used for target practice and it would be ashame if your kids were with you. Obviously, the family had second thoughts and removed them. Why read more into it?
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 8:20 PM
I’m naming my first son Johnny Danger. My wife’s not thrilled about it, but I think she sees the argument as a losing battle, as I’m pretty dead set.
BadgerHawk on January 14, 2009 at 8:20 PM
The irony.
the_nile on January 14, 2009 at 8:20 PM
I hate New Jersey Nazis.
JammieWearingFool on January 14, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Then by the same reasoning, all of the TUCC members who subjected their kids to Rev. Wright’s hate speech, or any children of the Nation of Islam crowd need to also be taken out of those hate filled environs…
I’m no neo-Nazi sympathizer, but were surfin’ down the slippery slope on this one…
RocketmanBob on January 14, 2009 at 8:21 PM
At least they didn’t have Bush for President stickers on their car.
rbj on January 14, 2009 at 8:21 PM
I can’t help of thinking of Elian Gonzales at this point and the fact that the Clintons deemed it better for the child to be taken with armed force from the arms of relatives to be returned to a state-run system. All despite the mom died trying to give her son a better life.
Welcome, my friends, to the totalitarianism that is the Democrat party under the filthy bastard about to take office with majorities in both houses of Congress. NJ is just ahead of what Obama is going to be doing with your kids if you continue to sport that McCain/Palin bumper sticker.
A special thank you to Allah, Wise_men, and all the other Obama supporters here at HA that destroyed this nation by outright refusing to get behind a candidate that could have rallied an opposition to the filthy bastard about to take office. There will be a special place in hell for you all.
highhopes on January 14, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Exactly. There must be abuse or something.
The idea that the community might harm the children because of their names doesn’t say anything about the children or their parents, it speaks ill of the community.
jimmy the notable on January 14, 2009 at 8:22 PM
If the “parents” get the kids back, there should be two pre-conditions:
1) Re-name the kids Jim, Mike & Linda Smith.
2) Re-name the “parents” Mrs. Big & Mr. Huge Douchebag.
perroviejo on January 14, 2009 at 8:22 PM
When would a child’s name be grounds to remove them from the family? What if a couple named their child DaddysLittleF***Toy?
Should the child be removed from the home? If not, why not?
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Is there a law against having swastika stickers (say that 5 times fast) in your home with your kids?
JetBoy on January 14, 2009 at 8:23 PM
You’re just being very, very insensitive. You need to get yourself reeducated right away.
jimmy the notable on January 14, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Of course, it is. Abuse or neglect.
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Don’t forget the way the kids were taken away from the polygamist group down in Texas – just because the government tried to convince everyone that all polygamists are child abusers. And the funny part was that the gay-marriage/gay adoption crowd was all for it, when there’s a much higher percentage of child abuse among gays than among polygamists, and polygamy has a long tradition in all of our cultures while gay marriage has none, zip, zero, zilch. We are just living in the twilight zone these days.
progressoverpeace on January 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Well I don’t think you’re allowed to have obscenities in the name, but I see where you’re going. Yes, there should be limits based on decency, but there’s nothing indescent about the Name Adolf or Aryan.
If you pronounce Aryan a little differently, its actually a nice name.
jimmy the notable on January 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Bold move for the Government Nazi Jack Booted Thugs to grab a kid because he is named after a Nazi….
JIMV on January 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM
I always forget to be the one to use that quote, and kick myself every time.
jimmy the notable on January 14, 2009 at 8:26 PM
As insane as New Jersey is, I would be surprised if the social worked acted solely because the kid’s name was Adolph Hitler. Come on. These are professionals.
Now if he was named George W. Bush or Sarah Palin, all bets are off. Then that kid is going to wisked away for special protection!
Mr. Joe on January 14, 2009 at 8:27 PM
That is the name of the European Space Agency’s rocket. Just sayin’ …
progressoverpeace on January 14, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Nope. In fact, one could argue that it fell under political speech.
Every here of NAMBLA magazine? They are allowed to publish it because it is also political speech. If a family with little boys also subscribes to NAMBLA, should they be investigated? The kids taken out of the home?
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 8:27 PM
This reminds me of that old Bill Cosby bit where he said he thought his name was “Jesus Christ” and his brother’s name was “Damnit” from the way his dad referred to them.
Mr. Joe on January 14, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Good point. NJ also considers the excessive use of obscenity abuse. But do all states refuse to record names with obscenities? I guess I could think of an euphemism for the same thing and make the same argument in that should a name never be grounds to remove a child from the home.
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Well I think they should certainly be investigated if there are children in the home. Its perfectly legal to look up information on bomb-making (I think), but that doesn’t mean that the FBI isn’t going to keep tabs on you if your behavior is suspicious.
jimmy the notable on January 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM
That’s an awesome movie to drop quotes from. I’m pissed I didn’t think of it.
BadgerHawk on January 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM
But aren’t almost all American Jews lily white?
thuja on January 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM
This whole Ayran thing is nuts anyway. I was watching the History of India on PBS and the creators of the Sanskrit language were “Ayrans” out of the steppes of Asia (and swatstikas are a old Eastern and ancient symbols long before the Nazis ever latched onto them). While they were probably Indo-European Caucasions, chances of them being blond hair blue eyed ubermen as Hitler envisioned them is pretty low. Hitler’s mythology was mostly made up nonsense that eventually became very scary and all too real.
Mr. Joe on January 14, 2009 at 8:34 PM
That’s probably why JWF runs an awesome award-winning blog and we’re just lowly commenters.
jimmy the notable on January 14, 2009 at 8:39 PM
I had a friend in high school whose kitchen was decorated in swatstikas, facing the original direction. I was offended until he explained the meaning behind them to me – his parents were from India and were highly devout Hindus. It’s a shame that a symbol of good luck was mutated into a symbol of hatred.
Anna on January 14, 2009 at 8:41 PM
BTW, thanks for cropping Mr. Douchebag out of the picture. One douchebag per picture meets the quota.
perroviejo on January 14, 2009 at 8:45 PM
So, my question is………is this a good thing? Should the fact that the parents express Nazi sympathies be a good enough reason to take them?
If so, how about the children of the muslim protestors in Ft. Lauderdale and elsewhere, screaming for the Jews to “go back to the ovens”?
Should those children be confiscated as well?
Puddleglum on January 14, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Thats kind of a mirror image of the point I made in the other thread about this. But if that angle is to be believed, then why not “take” the adults too? The idea that kids would be in danger from targeting of the “Hitler” kids, then you would have to take the children of gay couples who may be harassed also. If the idea of preemptive protection by removing the endangered people from the scene is the angle, then how safe is a single adult walking down the street at night? Its hard to think that the adults would blame the children and attack them, its more likely that the ones in danger of spontaneous violence would be the parents.
Better take them too.
I think that the motivation will end up being the children being brought up in a “hateful” environment..which is what I pointed out in the other post. If thats the case, then remove the children from the parents custody in places like San Fran, where the hate filled bigots march with their children in protests that happen very regularly. In those obsessively liberal/left areas, where the signs, shouts and anger twisted faces are common occurrences, the motivating spirit of hate is obvious. Either take the children, or move both child and parents out of the areas.
The same would be true of gays in areas where they are not tolerated very well. Force them to move….for their own good.
Yeah…that makes a lot of sense.
Itchee Dryback on January 14, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Professional social workers. Have much experience with these “professionals?” They all have agendas that go far beyond what the law says their role in the process. The newly graduated social worker, usually without children, is idealistic and doesn’t understand the challenges of raising a family. The more seasoned social worker has become so jaded (and usually so filled with hate against men in general) they are simply incapable of objectivity. They are all well-meaning but seldom able to perform their jobs with any sort of balance.
As part of my job I came in contact with professional social workers on a regular basis (not in an adversarial role). They always over-reacted to the point that they wanted criminal charges when a harried mother left a child safely strapped in a car seat alone for three minutes while she took the other two kids and the groceries into the house. It wasn’t overly hot and the AC was running but the “professional” social worker acted like the child had been abandoned for 5 hours in the middle of Death Valley. On another case, the facts and physical evidence showed equal responsibility for the altercation but the “professional” social worker was so invested in the idea that it was all the man’s fault that she essentially committed perjury to render her “professional” findings.
Again, the social workers I know are mostly well-meaning. That doesn’t mean I want them or the state to make snap judgements in these situations. If, as reported, the kids are happy and not in immediate danger the state has no right to intervene in the way they did in this case.
highhopes on January 14, 2009 at 8:48 PM
At least, in a case like that, there may be a propensity for child abuse. But then, if I have an aquarium and subscribe to a fishing magazine, it doesn’t mean I’m going to hurt my own fishes.
JetBoy on January 14, 2009 at 8:49 PM
No you’re being consistent imo.
You’re dreaming though.
Itchee Dryback on January 14, 2009 at 8:50 PM
I never once got to use that Nazi line before. But since I live in Jersey it’s only fair.
JammieWearingFool on January 14, 2009 at 8:54 PM
A couple of holes in your logic.
First, how does the state of NJ get the information that a particular home also gets NAMBLA monthly (or whatever it is called- you seem to have far more information about this pedophile group than anybody else here)? They aren’t going to get a warrant for a wholesale list of subscribers. Then, how do they cross match that against the number of perverts who also have children of their own?
The only way that something like a magazine subscription comes into play is if there is some other reason why the authorities are already involved with this particular situation. Then, it’s a matter of context. A pervert getting NAMBLA Monthly could well be less dangerous than a brother with a 13-year-old cousin and access to Playboy. The state simply doesn’t react off a subscription alone.
highhopes on January 14, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Good points. I’ve met the types who could find evidence of abuse in the way almost any family gets through the day.
Could be that this family only became the target of social services due to the publicity. Also, could be that once the family came to their attention, they found that the Hitler name wasn’t the worst problem that the child faced. My guess is that they were not otherwise exemplary parents who just happened to pick oddball names for their kids.
dedalus on January 14, 2009 at 9:05 PM
ExACtly what I was thinking.
misterpeasea on January 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Hope you feel the same next week when you get the bill from the state for the Nazi usage fee you just incurred!
Seriously dude, I had the opportunity to take a job in NJ but couldn’t afford the pay cut after factoring in all the socialism.
highhopes on January 14, 2009 at 9:08 PM
It is too expensive but had been justified by the proximity to NYC and the high paying jobs. This current economic implosion is really going to strain the higher-tax states. A lot will change over the next several years–though naming your kid Hitler will still figure to be a bad idea.
dedalus on January 14, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Silver lining: We’re not New York. But getting there.
JammieWearingFool on January 14, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Unless said cop is a neighbor or friend of the family, that in itself doesn’t sound too good to me. I’d like to hear a bit more about the circumstances under which he “dealt with the family for years.”
As someone else said, too little concrete info to make a sound judgement at this time.
taznar on January 14, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Or Kerry/Edwards, I’m sure.
unclesmrgol on January 14, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Daniel is a Jewish name.
Ryan Gandy on January 14, 2009 at 9:28 PM
:-P
We’ll never smell as bad as Jersey tho :-)
JetBoy on January 14, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Is that so he can say ‘Danger is my middle name’ over and over again until he gets his ass kicked at school?
James on January 14, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Does that mean Social services could potentially swoop in and “Rescue” the Obama girls considering the massive target that their father has just become?
Dreadnought223 on January 14, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Yeah but they’re not as bad as Illinois Nazis.
Dreadnought223 on January 14, 2009 at 9:47 PM
So you are just a poor man’s New York.
JIMV on January 14, 2009 at 9:48 PM
JWF: If Patterson’s plan goes through, there’s no way NJ will ever match NY.
Plus, you guys have cheap gas and no sales tax. You really can’t complain.
I’ve lived with 8.125% sales tax my whole life, I’m not really sure what it would be like to look at a price and actually know that is at least pretty close to what I’m actually going to pay.
jimmy the notable on January 14, 2009 at 9:51 PM
AP:
Good for him. Only idiots speak publicly. Wait for you day in court, any lawyer will tell you that. Let your lawyer do the talking. CPS does just as much bad as good – 50/50 is not an acceptable statistic even for government workers! CPS workers I’ve been around in two states are dominated by those who, uh, choose “alternative sexual preferences” that in essence incorporate perverse behaviors – in other words, extremely unbalanced.
A change in behavior is an indication of guilty, eh? Tha’s why The One Lord dropped his pastor like a hot potato (until he’s sworn in; apparently The Good Rev Wright will be dancing with The One Lord at the balls.
klickink.wordpress.com on January 14, 2009 at 9:55 PM
The “real” neo Nazis out west, like in Montanna and Utah and Idaho, must be really miffed that some amateur NJ Nazis got all this Press and attention. I’ll tell ya this, us NJ folk can run rings around you sh*t kickers ANY DAY. We need one hand tied behind our backs, “just to make it fair”. LOL
worlok on January 14, 2009 at 10:03 PM
The swastika is a very old symbol. It has been found on almost every continent in some archaeological form. The most common meaning essentially means “be well.”
There used to be sports teams, stores and other places named for swastikas. The Hindu symbol is different from the Nazi symbol in that it faces the other direction and sits flatly on it’s base instead of on a corner. Hitler is said to have purposefully made the change to draw a distinction.
The only shame is that people are so willing to give Hitler so much credit for an ancient symbol. I think it’s an easy symbol for humans to arrive come up with, but it has a nice feel.
There are more ominous symbols of hatred in my experience. A lot of Nazi posers sport swastikas, just like a lot of gangster posers shave their heads or wear gang colors.
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People comparing these kids’ names to Barack Hussein Obama’s are not so bright. Hussein is a very old name which only recently came into infamy. I had a friend named Hussein who was white. I knew him before the Desert Storm. Grow up or die stupid.
The Race Card on January 14, 2009 at 10:08 PM
This line of reasoning is really disturbing… you are going to punish the victim because someone else may threaten violence?
I guess you are sympathetic then to the German Police who went into someones apartment to take down a JEWISH flag because Islamists threatened violence?
Or you think it was OK for the police to arrest the guy on election night who was wearing a McCain T-shirt… cause you know its HIS fault that others would resort to violence?
I got a better Idea…. lets let people be free right up UNTIL they hurt someone else… you know, that whole pesky American Freedom of Speech thing…
Romeo13 on January 14, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Dude. Where have you been? If DSS is talking, you put on a healthy dose of skepticism.
They lie. They cover up. They do not play by the rules you innocently think they do (my dad was for years a supervising social worker for the state of California):
We have given the full power of the state with all that implies to an agency that does not have to follow the same laws and rules of evidence that any other state agency must (CPS), and we have let these people decide what they believe is good parenting or bad, and people have *lost* their kids because the people in this agency have enshrined their middle and upper class post-industrial standards as *the* standards for the rest of us, or because they are in a bad mood, or because they are power mad and parents did not grovel enough, or because the case workers themselves grew up in abusive homes and they don’t have a clue what normal looks like and they are out to rescue the world whether it needs it or not.
Lawyers will tell accused parents there is nothing they can do but roll over and cave to whatever CPS demands of them.
In spite of this, at least four different studies by four different organizations found that CPS gets it wrong about four out of five times- and they get it wrong *both* ways- misjudging the worst homes as decent homes 80 percent of the time, and misjudging decent, safe homes as dangerous and wrongfully removing them about 80 percent of the time.
A friend of mine once told me about friends of hers who had CPS called on them. The children were not abused, nobody made that claim. They were fed and clothed and educated- CPS did not find otherwise. But their house was pretty dirty. They did not lose their children permanently, just for a few days. But then CPS stayed in their lives for the next two years- telling them to do things like clean up the yard, plant grass, paint the fence- in other words- CPS acted as enforcers of a strict suburban housing covenant even when no such covenant existed, and they did this with the constant threat of taking the children always in the background.
There was the kid recently removed for a few days because his professor dad didn’t know that Mike’s Lemonade had alcohol in it- the boy was injured but the dad had to leave the home, hire a lawyer, and call in the press before the judge returned the kid.
There are the 31 pregnant and under-aged minor girls in the FLDS who turned out- every one of them, to be adult women- one 37 years old, and the so-called many cases of broken bones which CPS dropped almost as soon as they said it because the number of broken bones in the FLDS kids was lower than the population (they have ended up with 12 alleged teen brides (not pregnant) out of a population of several hundred in a state with the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation, a far cry from CPS earlier claims which have all turned out to be lies).
There’s the Wenatchee Witch Hunts, where a rogue cop/foster father abused his foster daughter and got her and her friends to concoct all kinds of outrageous stories against people, and when a minister stood up for them, CPS took his kids, too.
Here’s a Reader’s Digest story about an innocent couple who lost their kid for two years and were totally railroaded by CPS because she had a bone disease.
There’s the Stuths in Washington, loving grandparents who lost their grand-daughter for two years to a substandard foster mother because CPS said they were ‘bossy’ and had given the girl a pacifier against her teen mother’s wishes (the teen wanted her grandparents to have the child)- the state wanted the foster mom to adopt her and told the judge she was a loving, wonderful woman- 24 hours after they’d revoked her license when the woman took her foster kids to ER for the third time in two months and the hospital turned her in for being under the influence. The Stuths just got their grand-daughter back this week, but it might only be temporary. A good Senator got involved in their case and was told by her colleagues it was a career killer, there was no fighting CPS.
There’s so many more cases. Google Richard Wexler and see what his organization has to say. Read The Child Abuse Industry.
Look at the stories here. There’s some links here.
CPS removes kids with no good reason all the time. They call it ‘erring on the side of the child,’ because, of course, it’s always doing a kid a favor to yank him from his home and put him with strangers and not let him know why or when or if he’ll see his parents again.
The dad who has clammed up? He’s probably been threatened by CPS that if he talks, he hurts his case and may never see the boy again. If you read up on CPS cases, that’s a standard approach. They hate it when people publicize what they do.
DeputyHeadmistress on January 14, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Well well. One of the Village People. That explains a lot.
platypus on January 14, 2009 at 10:38 PM
It is not like, “if you do not give up your kids, the government will be kill them”…..Oh yeah, Waco.
Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 10:46 PM
I’ve just figured out whom these people remind me of. Goths. That’s a whole culture dedicated to making other people feel uncomfortable around you. Unfortunately, if you are a Goth, there are other Goths around, which eventually leads to desensitization in the target viewing population.
It’s up there with Black Baby Names, too. Choose a name nobody else has ever used, and name your kid that name. A total break with the past. But, sadly, about as good as being a Goth, because in the case of Black Baby Names, a bunch of other people jump on the bandwagon and re-use your child’s name, and it isn’t uniqua any more.
Now, these people have the better of both these fashions, because where they’ve gone, nobody has gone before, and I certainly doubt that anyone will go afterward — especially in New Jersey.
unclesmrgol on January 14, 2009 at 11:01 PM
No, more like a couple of holes in your head.
You did not address what I posted. Instead, you pretended I posed questions and facts I did not, in order to pretend to rebut them. Job poorly done.
JetBoy asked if having swastikas in your home with kids was illegal. I answered no, because it fell under political speech which is given the highest first amendment protection.
I then asked should the same apply to NAMBLA, also considered political speech.
That is all I wrote.
Contrary to your assertion, possession of the magazine in a home with children will get you investigated with no other probable cause, even though it is protected political speech. Even political speech is not afforded absolute protection.
And since you managed to work in a cheap shot at me, let me end with a big EFF YOU.
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 11:11 PM
what other names are not allowed ???
Stalin
Che
Mao
Hussein?
Mojack420 on January 14, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Slippery slope indeed. What happens when somebody decides that teaching my children the Bible says homosexuality is wrong puts them in a posioness atmosphere?
boomer on January 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Or a Muslim neighborhood. That would be more likely, I think.
capitalist piglet on January 15, 2009 at 12:12 AM
I can’t believe how many on this board are willing to give these revolting deadbeats the benefit of the doubt. Call me crazy, but I have absolutely no trouble believing that these people might pose an actual danger to their own children.
Infidoll on January 15, 2009 at 12:59 AM
I think the more you know about how CPS operates, the more likely you are to give anybody they go after the benefit of the doubt- especially if the target is outside the mainstream in any way.
I think naming the kid after Hitler is idiotic, at best. But CPS has too much power and very little accountability.
DeputyHeadmistress on January 15, 2009 at 1:16 AM
That’s ok — it’s just that a lot of us are firm believers in innocent until proven guilty.
You are welcome to believe otherwise — since we all have the same lack of facts to go on.
unclesmrgol on January 15, 2009 at 1:24 AM
Define “lily white”. I’ll toss out Sammy Davis Jr., whose non-interaction with John F Kennedy at his Inauguration (due to his “miscegenation” with a Swedish actress) is probably a good reason why Obama talks a lot about a Republican named Lincoln but not so much about a Democrat named Kennedy.
unclesmrgol on January 15, 2009 at 1:48 AM
a) http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/10/15/
b) I am scared when the government can determine, given the general will of the public, that a child is in a depraved environment… however, I’m more scared of Nazis raising kids.
askheaves on January 15, 2009 at 3:11 AM
Maybe they were taken because their parents did not believe in global warming! This would obviously put them in a dangerous situation that only Al Gore could help to correct!
Freddy on January 15, 2009 at 3:39 AM
As a Jew I take solace in the fact that these cretins will all eventually get their lot, that ‘Nazi’ Daniel owner of some smelly boots, his name means literally “Gd is my judge”.. I wish him luck with that because my God doesn’t take too kindly to the mass extermination of my people, I hope he packed some sunblock before keeling over and dying. As for this family, it is nice to see that the Aryan retardation gene is still manifesting strongly – the word idiot comes to mind.
saus on January 15, 2009 at 3:52 AM
I’m naming my first son Johnny Danger. My wife’s not thrilled about it, but I think she sees the argument as a losing battle, as I’m pretty dead set.
BadgerHawk
Shouldn’t that be Johnny Dangerously?
Also, when you wore the clone trooper outfit, was that your idea or your wife’s?
Seriously though, I hope (damn, I’ve grown to hate that word) the officials who took the kids out of the home are being microscopically scrutinized to verify the righteousness of their actions. It’s easy to judge the parents as turds, but freedom to be a turd is constitutionally protected. Sure, it’s in there…look under “penumbra”.
SKYFOX on January 15, 2009 at 5:34 AM
So because DSS thinks a swastiki sticker on a car will be enough to incite violence to those who are in the car which endangered the children I’d hate to see what would have heppened if they had a McCain/Palin sticker on their car. Lberal whackjobs in NJ would be more likely to incute violence towards a McCain supporter than one who bears Nazi symbols.
cadams on January 15, 2009 at 6:38 AM
A sterling example of the need for the 2nd Amendment. The government taking your children should have been met with the sound of a shotgun if not a handgun.
Onager on January 15, 2009 at 6:47 AM
If these people were BLACK and part of the BLACK PANTHER PARTY or some other crazy black cult, this would NOT be happening. This is racist.
I know that these parents are idiots for their beliefs but this is a free country right now. Or, maybe not…..
Mercy4Me on January 15, 2009 at 8:23 AM
Why can’t they tell the reason(s) for taking the children??
bridgetown on January 15, 2009 at 8:28 AM
It was before I was married, during college, and there were about 8 or 9 of us all dressed as Star Wars characters. If you have ever been to Halloween in Madison you would understand.
BadgerHawk on January 15, 2009 at 8:33 AM
How about Anakin?
MarkTheGreat on January 15, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Your kidding, right?
MarkTheGreat on January 15, 2009 at 8:40 AM
This is quite common. I’ve dealt with animal control officers who were willing to lie, in order to get the “scum” off the street.
They knew the guy was guilty, they couldn’t find any evidence, so they invented it.
MarkTheGreat on January 15, 2009 at 8:45 AM
So…if I have a Republican sign on my front lawn here in Minnesota…do the nitwits here get to take my kids because I’m a right-wing, Christian, Nazi, hater of Homosexuals and Women?
sabbott on January 15, 2009 at 8:45 AM
Exit answer: Do the same standards apply against pro-hamas & pro-hezbollah parents living in Jersey??
locomotivebreath1901 on January 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Chill. Then think about how ludicrous it is to state that bloggers or commenters at Hot Air have “destroyed this nation”. And do note that Obama has not even been sworn in yet. Further, I have made note of the irony that while rejecting totalitarianism you yourself do not permit dissenting opinions.
Buy Danish on January 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM
Are they deadbeats, i.e. no jobs, don’t pay bills, etc?
There needs to be more than “belief” of the damage imo. That being said, I think the brainwashing thats most likely going on, may come close to rising to the level of potential damage to the childrens ability to make future decisions concerning reality, that hate groups like Islamists, letfist/liberals, enviro-claptrapers et.al., are able to wound society with.
semi-S/
Itchee Dryback on January 15, 2009 at 10:27 AM
I agree…chill.
Its understandable to me though, I sometimes feel the same angry frustration, because if one honestly looks at whats most likely going to happen to the country in the near future and what has been happening to the values that made this country what it is…its horrible and there’s no excuse for it happening and even less to continue to be blind with “hope” for the right kind of “change” to come about from simply closing ones eyes and clicking their heels together three times and wishing to restore “home”.
Itchee Dryback on January 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM
As I stated, they will take the children then “interview” them, and then state the charges based on the interrogation of the children, who are interrogated without any legal advise, or representation…God how I hate this part of Government.
right2bright on January 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM
I know exactly how state child protection agencies operate. I also know a little bit about the kind of people who get on their radar screens (contrary to popular opinion here, they aren’t all church-going home schoolers). I’m not unaware of the internal and external pressure that probably came into play here (the governor’s office, etc., demanding that CPS “do something”), but I doubt, in this case, CPS had a hard time finding a basis for removal.
The fact that the publicity-loving couple aren’t screaming bloody murder about the removal says a lot. If I had to guess, I’d say drugs.
Infidoll on January 15, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Thats probably true, but on the other hand, as we’ve all come to see, if the press does not broadcast both sides of an issue, any defense becomes difficult.
If its was drugs, that same press would most likely have given the topic an nice “embellished leak”. Or maybe not, just guessing.
Why are not the children of other drug users being taken enmass, the country sure has enough of them?
Itchee Dryback on January 15, 2009 at 12:13 PM
My husband wants to name our first boy Deuteronomous, cause it’s biblical and we can call him Deuter for short.
Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM
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