New Jersey child services seizes boy named after Hitler from parents
posted at 12:50 pm on January 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
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No word on the cause, but it can’t be because of the names. Can it?
Holland Township Police Sgt. John Harris says he was there to keep order Tuesday when workers from the state Division of Youth and Family Services removed 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell and his younger sisters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell.
Harris says DYFS did not tell police the reason the children were removed. At least one officer who helped take the kids out of the house said they did not show outward signs of abuse or neglect.
Listen to the audio at the link and you’ll hear one of the cops say the kids were “happy” and playing when they got there. The state statute defines child cruelty to include the infliction of “unnecessary suffering or pain, either mental or physical” — like naming a kid after Hitler? — but it also defines “child abuse” to include, er, the habitual use of profanity. (Yes, really.) I poked around to find a Supreme Court precedent that’s on point, but the truth is you don’t need it: If being a Nazi sympathizer is grounds per se for having your parental custody terminated, then as a practical matter, Nazis aren’t allowed to have families in America. And as far as I know, the right to privacy means that everyone’s allowed to have a family in America. Exit question: Did they trump up some other grounds as a pretext? Too much cussin’ by dad, maybe?
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Yes, it can be. May not sound legal, but who holds them accountable?
christene on January 14, 2009 at 1:38 PM
So. On the other thread you show support for taking a kid away for that very reason.
Esthier on January 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Can we get the California Department of Family Services to go into Berkeley and sieze all the kids named Che or Fidel?
Anton on January 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Is it calorie? I love puzzles, but this will frustrate me all day…
beththebaker on January 14, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Heh, it’s “Kal-El”, the name of Superman in Kryptonian language.
Bishop on January 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Buford is the name of the guy who shot up the little Jewish kids with an uzi in 1999.
I’M OUTRAGED11!!!1!!!!
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 1:40 PM
They better present a reason fast.
One thing that ticks me off is the way Social Services can take away children without specifying any charges or offenses.
That’s the the real Nazi like danger here.
Sackett on January 14, 2009 at 1:41 PM
We live in communities, you can’t keep the kid away from everyone else, thus there WILL be impact upon others.
Religious_Zealot on January 14, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Yet it seems that quite often the offenders are the children of cops or judges, or the quiet kid who never bothered anyone ends up slaughtering his entire family with an axe.
“Jeffrey Dahmer” was a pretty innocuous name.
Bishop on January 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM
THANK YOU! My husband would’ve gotten it.
beththebaker on January 14, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Can we get the California Department of Family Services to go into Berkeley and sieze all the kids named Che or Fidel?
Anton on January 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM
They don’t have the resources to care for 88,000 kids.
Bishop on January 14, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Was wondering how long it’d take for someone to throw in a dig on homeschooling. The kids are 3 and under, so this is NOT an issue.
conservative pilgrim on January 14, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Which ones?
The beauty of statistics is that they can never account for human individuality. Anyone that understands basic mathematics can cook statistics to correlate anything.
If statistics were even remotely accurate and unbiased, Barack Obama wouldn’t exist in his current status today. Sorry, you’ll need more than just a blanket statement referencing unknown, unnamed statistics to make that point.
leetpriest on January 14, 2009 at 1:46 PM
No, I didn’t. I suggest you re-read what I actually posted instead of what you think I posted.
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Oh, and I’M OUTRAGED!!!1111
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 1:49 PM
This stinks to high heaven. I want to know the reason for entering their home and taking their children. They can’t enter the home without a search warrant, right? There better be a substantial reason other than the children’s first names.
The parents used their kids as pawns, which is despicable. That does not give the police and social services any right to take the kids from the parents. This is a slippery slope and should alarm anyone with kids.
conservative pilgrim on January 14, 2009 at 1:50 PM
By the way, I just took a survey to the 5 most obese guys in my office in regards to their vegetables eating habits. It appears that all 5 of them have been eating at least 1 serving of vegetables a day for the last 20 years.
According to my results, eating vegetables makes you fat. Imagine that.
leetpriest on January 14, 2009 at 1:51 PM
This is a bad thing. If we start taking away kids because the people teach “hate” Then look out Christians. Lookoout anyone that teaches “hate”. Hate = Conservatism by many people in the DCFs around the country.
elBarto on January 14, 2009 at 1:51 PM
What makes you think they didn’t tell the parents? What they do not do is release in to the media because the children have a privacy interest.
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM
You told me I was wrong (even though I was answering the question as to how I would react, something you shouldn’t know the answer to) when I said I’d have a problem with police taking a kid away from his parents solely because of his name.
Esthier on January 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM
This is insane. what right does the government have here? None. Zip zilch. I thought this could happen in china but in the USA? Idiots are in control and they cou8ld care less about limted consitutional government.
unseen on January 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Your assuming that the State took the children because of the names given to them by the parents?
There is no official word on why they were taken.
Why is this making the news anyway???
crazy texas on January 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Cops can’t enter a home without a warrant.
I’m pretty sure that child caseworkers can do whatever they please.
JadeNYU on January 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM
ACK!! Well the Buford I had in mind kicked a bunch of bully asses and almost single-handily cleaned up his small town of crime and corruption. Or so the movie goes.
scalleywag on January 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM
And the sister? Shoulda named her Stanley.
Pablo on January 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Is that the only reason? Named after Der Furher!
they should have named him Obama!
Mr. Joe on January 14, 2009 at 2:03 PM
OK, other than being anal retentive over statistics (which I agree with you about)…
…are you really trying to state that screwed up kids don’t impact the community they live in (and possibly even beyond that)?
Or are you trying to assert that screwed up kids simply never get into any trouble?
Religious_Zealot on January 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Hey AP…..you just love this redmeat stuff dontchya?
crazy texas on January 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM
This is a scary and possibly unconstitutional action, on the part of the government.
If children who are given names that displease the government are going to be removed from their homes, in the future, than perhaps the Obama girls ought to be removed from Barrack “Hussein” Obama’s house, immediately for their own protection.. They will be ridiculed and compared to Saddam Hussein and his boys throughout their lives and Obama actually does have Muslim ties.
sinsing on January 14, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Pretty much. And you’re guilty until you prove yourself innocent. Meanwhile, the punishment has already been delivered, guilty or not. Not only are your kids gone, but your plight is on CNN, FOX, etc. etc. etc. so there goes any hope of privacy in trying to resolve the matter. And hopefully you have a really sympathetic boss so the job doesn’t go out the window as well. All this before you’ve even had a day in court.
scalleywag on January 14, 2009 at 2:08 PM
I stated the hitler names may be probable cause to investigate the family. I then gave another example of a name that should be p.c. to investigate. You morphed it into probable cause to remove the child from the home. And you’re still wrong.
Blake on January 14, 2009 at 2:09 PM
I’m going to name my kid Ozymandias just so that I can write “Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair” on his diapers.
TheUnrepentantGeek on January 14, 2009 at 2:10 PM
When removing a child from a home the only reason they need.. “for the well being/safety of the child” when the Police are with a social worker no warrant needed. Parents are not given a reason, more-so “details” at the time of the child’s removal as to “why” the child is removed.
christene on January 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Inasmuch as the name, Jesus, has become utterly vile in this country – the round-up of any child named, Joshua, should commence, immediately.
OhEssYouCowboys on January 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM
I’m not asserting either. Screwed up kids do screwed up things. That doesn’t give the state any right to tell a parent what to name their kid, or how to raise them either.
You want a remedy for screwed up kids? Buy a shotgun (in a state like New Jersey, though, they’ve set themselves up for failure. Carrying a gun in New Jersey is basically illegal for civilians). If enough 14 year old kids get blown away for stealing people’s crap, either the kids in the community will understand the price of delinquency, or the parents will understand the price of delinquency.
leetpriest on January 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Saw an excellent comment on this story earlier:
“So if the State takes your children away if you name them after a mass murderer that wished to exterminate all of the Jews, where do they plan on storing all of the children named “Mohammad” in New Jersey?”
beachgirlusa on January 14, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Now the discussion becomes do you take the kids because you think they’re in danger? Well, at this moment in this country (and worldwide) members of a group (and their children) are in danger and are being harrassed, threatened, assaulted, etc., because of their affiliation with this group:
They are called Jews and the “group” is Judaism.
beachgirlusa on January 14, 2009 at 2:15 PM
I used to see copies of Mein Kampf at Barnes and Noble. But, I wonder, have they been sent down the Memory Hole, yet?
And, if you have a copy of Mein Kampf in your home, simply because you know that history, if forgotten, will be repeated – and you have children – will the State round them up, too?
Access to Mein Kampf! Remove them!
OhEssYouCowboys on January 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Is there any explanation from these people as to whythey named their child after this sociopath? Or did they just think it was “cute.”
scalleywag on January 14, 2009 at 2:21 PM
I was just in one a week or so ago, I and I saw some copies there.
Esthier on January 14, 2009 at 2:24 PM
They’re racist Nazis. They love Hitler.
Esthier on January 14, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Adolph Hitler aka Andy Semite
scalleywag on January 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM
heh
Esthier on January 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Bill Ayers named one of his sons after a cop killer. I wonder where they draw the line for when a child’s name makes him seizable? Napolean? Manson? Stalin? Osama?
Buddahpundit on January 14, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Or Hussein. Or Stalin.
Or Hirohito, Tojo, or Homma.
For some reason, Hitler has a special status among Bad People in History.
capitalist piglet on January 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Easily the best comment to date.
unclesmrgol on January 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM
They claim it was to honor their German heritage and to ensure their kids would have unique names.
Don’t think that adds up though since they could have had silly, unique Germanic names that don’t involve Hitler and the Nazi’s at all (e.g. Thors Hammer Lynn Campbell).
JadeNYU on January 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Now Mr. Campbell will get to deal with the real Nazis, the Child Protective Services.
Maxx on January 14, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Mjolnir Lynn Campbell may violate their “faith” like not naming your kid after the Big Mo’ would be for the ‘religion of piece’….
sven10077 on January 14, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Where is that in the Constitution, right between where it says you have the right to kill fetuses and have gay sex?
tommylotto on January 14, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Well, it does make sense to question the sanity and good judgment of any parent who would name their child after the biggest mass murderer in history. Is that looking after the child’s best interest, giving him a moniker like that? Or is the child being “setup to suffer by being made a fool of and at risk of ending up with a social disability and handicap, unnecessarily”? I’d say the latter. However, taking the kids away for JUST that reason and without having a court say they are unsuitable to take care of the children is not justifiable in my opinion. So I’m thinking there must be other factors in their decision to choose this drastic action. If not, they’re bucking for a lawsuit.
scalleywag on January 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Adolph Hitler having been Austrian.
Oops!
OhEssYouCowboys on January 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM
We have a president named Hussein, and they’re worried about a kid named Hitler. Maybe they should make her Secretary of Defense.
Ronnie on January 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM
If you’ve been reading my posts on this thread you’d know that:
1) You’re agreeing with my point; and
2 I’m not advocating for the government to do anything about it
Your response was to my response to a post that asserted that when a parent screws up a kid it’s between the parent and the kid.
I was showing that since we live in a community, screwed up kids to screwed up things that affect other people.
How we should affect that, I don’t know.
Maybe parenting classes in High school, more alternative services available to kids so that they have a better chance at turning their lives around when it will be easier to do so.
Religious_Zealot on January 14, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Heh, nice try on their part, but try taking the kid to Germany for a visit and introducing him to people over there. I don’t think the name bodes well in that country either.
scalleywag on January 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM
……the REAL Nazis are the social workers….as one who has worked inside the system I ahve seen it upfront and personal and it is scary.
John The Baptist on January 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Don’t go too far out on a limb for these “parents”. Way too many pervert, pedophiles turn out to be Nazis too.
nk on January 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM
These parents are obvious retards! However, the kids will be returned! It’s still legal to be stupid in the USA and the govt should butt out
sabbott on January 14, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Government: If you think the problems we create are bad. Wait till you see our solutions.
lorien1973 on January 14, 2009 at 2:59 PM
I get your point (how many did Hitler murder, btw?), but what if someone named their kid after Stalin or Pol Pot? Do you think they’d be taken away? Do you think they should be?
capitalist piglet on January 14, 2009 at 3:11 PM
I am willing to bet you have zero children. Lets take your silly example even further. What if said 14 year old thug decides to cave in my kids head on the school playground with a lead pipe? How does that fit into your solution? Should my kids be allowed to be packing heat at school?
So sorry, you don’t have enough experience to be talking about this so move on.
I don’t want the government involved with child rearing as well, however, based on the astounding number of scumbag parents that send kids to the same schools as my kids and their kids behavior is predictable. Zealot is 100% correct, when he says the problem affects more than just one family.
The only real solution is our side to win the cultural war and reintroduce the concept of shame to the country.
ClassicCon on January 14, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Theres a huge hole in your premise.
Hitler was NOT the largest mass murderer in history, just the most widely acknowleged.
Stalin killed more of his own people… and the guy who banned DDT in the 70s using bad science has killed 10 times the amount… and I would hazard that at least as many have died in Mohamed’s name as Hitler’s…
Romeo13 on January 14, 2009 at 3:15 PM
You betcha, re: Stalin. And Mao killed more of his own people than Stalin. They made Hitler look like a snot-nosed, punk.
OhEssYouCowboys on January 14, 2009 at 3:19 PM
You asked questions on how we cure screwed up kids. I gave you an answer.
Buy a shotgun.
This problem can be fixed one of 2 ways.
1. Nanny state that tells you how to raise your kids.
2. Citizens being allowed to use deadly force in all cases of theft, robbery, or breaking and entering of a domicile for any reason.
leetpriest on January 14, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Thank God they didn’t name one of the children Reagan…
right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Should the government seize a daughter whose father named her “Stanley”?
Buddahpundit on January 14, 2009 at 3:27 PM
I guess, for the same reason that people name their children Muhammed.
Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Those are the only two ways that that you can think of…there is more to delinquency then “breaking and entering of a domicile”.
btw: I remember a story of a guy who “trained” his under teen kid to climb into small windows, then open the door…you would have killed the child…”for any reason”.
right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM
They named their children after socialist. I guess that they named them after the wrong socialist. They should have named them Fidel Castro and Joseph Stalin. At least hollywood would have loved them.
Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Ho Chí Minh real name: Nguyen, now lets see the state remove that name from the rolls, or take those kids from their parents…
right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. Or “Napoleon” or whatever…
Eh, if the state was so concerned about the name, why didn’t they act the moment the name was written on the birth certificate?
JetBoy on January 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Don’t give them any ideas.
Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Wonder why they never took Frank’s kids Dweezil and Moon Unit. If ever there was a name abuse….
However, CPS has been taking kids without reason for a long time. All one has to do to inflict a family to undue hardship is simply make a call to one’s local CPS and report abuse of child, real or fake. Doesn’t matter to the CPS worker. It worked in Texas when all the children were taken from the FLDS compound. But then the real child abusers such as the porn industry along with public
schoolsindoctrination centers gets a free pass to recruit all the graduating 18 year old girls that have been fully prepared to by the indoctrination centers to work in the porn industry.PrettyD_Vicious on January 14, 2009 at 3:37 PM
FIFY! Two years ago, the only kids with normal names in my son’s class were the three black kids and my son. All the others had made-up soap opera / geography names. At least they didn’t name anybody Apple or Sunday.
Laura in Maryland on January 14, 2009 at 3:40 PM
I love how the State concerns itself with the parental “choice” of naming their child, but not with the parental “choice” of exterminating a baby in the womb.
You just can’t make this stuff up.
OhEssYouCowboys on January 14, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Don’t forget the complicity of the public schools, in giving drugs to children . (Ritalin, ect.)
Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 3:46 PM
The comments section of the article mentions that the parents didn’t want to work and were on the public teet.
I think it’s possible that the kids were taken for reasons completely independent of their names. In fact, it’s possible that the newspaper deliberately didn’t post this information in hopes that the story would get posted on blogs.
blink on January 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM
What’s worse than a nazi? A nazi sucking at the trough.
lorien1973 on January 14, 2009 at 3:53 PM
If that is true about being on the public dole, then the “public” can tell them how to raise the child.
However I posted to your second part in the original post in headlines.
The problem with the CPS is that they will take the child, “interview” the child, then come up with the charges. In other words, they arrest then find cause.
If you don’t believe, just wait for the story’s that people will post.
I posted one about my neighbor, that is exactly what happened. And I lived next door (within 15′” of the neighbor for six years. She and he took there kids to school and I never heard them yell at them, now anyone who has to get kids ready for school has to be a saint to never yell at them to get going…but the CPS created, and probation, neighbors knew (though we really knew the real story), school was informed, it messed the kids and the family up. All because of a power trip, they made an accusation based on hearsay, then they proceeded to make “stick”. I will never trust the CPS again, never.
right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 4:04 PM
You’re jumping the gun (pun intended) here. I never said anything about bringing a gun to school. That’s state property, you can’t even bring a gun on the property with a CCDW license in hand. When it’s off your property, it’s a matter for the police to handle.
If the thug doesn’t get busted on a criminal charge, you can surely sue the state, and the family of the thug in civil court for neglecting to properly supervise your children. It is the written responsibility of all school staff to ensure the safety of every child while on school property.
Ahh, I see. So because you got knocked up/knocked someone up, you’re a more credible authority on civilizing uncivilized individuals with violent tendencies than a combat veteran? That’s cute. How exactly are you going to stop a thug from destroying your home? Are you going to ride the little tyke to soccer practice in your minivan?
If enough thugs receive the justice they deserve, they will eventually learn the path that allow them to get what they want.
You have a choice. Either you and your spouse can follow your careers and earn enough to put your kids through private school. Or you can homeschool them.
I’ve provided both you and Zealot with solutions to the problem. Neither of you have provided even a single viable solution, all you want to do is whine until someone comes to do your job for you. WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! I WANT MY KIDS TO BE SAFE, BUT I DON’T WANT TO THINK OF A SOLUTION, I WANT TO BITCH AND MOAN, WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! I don’t have kids because I don’t want to be a father yet. See, I’m still selfish. I don’t want to dedicate potentially 100% of my time to children at this time. Since I don’t meet the standard of parenthood, I’ve done the responsible thing by not having kids yet.
I agree that we need to win the culture war and reintroduce shame to the country, but that’s impossible when you have “conservatives” that think it’s perfectly fine for a 45 year old man to wear a Sequin dress and make out with his Gay lover on a float in an Easter Parade right in front of your kids.
We really need to reintroduce consequence to the American public. It was dead a long time ago, but its public death was in September 2008.
leetpriest on January 14, 2009 at 4:05 PM
That was a messed up last paragraph, but I think the point was made…I think.
right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 4:05 PM
I’ve already told you. This is the 3rd time now.
Buy a shotgun.
Buy a shotgun.
Buy a shotgun.
leetpriest on January 14, 2009 at 4:07 PM
DCYF has to follow up on any allegation, regardless of it’s base. I think depending on what state you are in, and act accordingly. One weekend, my husband didn’t get his kids because the neighbor across the street decided to report him based on her peeking through my stepdaughter’s bedroom window and watching my husband wrestle with his then 10 year old daughter and didn’t think it was “appropriate” (how do we know it was her? Her window is directly across from ours, and is the only one that can see into that bedroom window). They never called my husband on this, but did talk with his ex-wife, who (thankfully!) is a reasonable person and knew that he wouldn’t abuse his kids. But she was told by DCYF not to talk to him about it, and that particular weekend was my stepson’s birthday party at an amusement park. She was told not to leave him alone with her. And because of that, her already bad health was magnified by the hot sun because my stepdaughter wanted to do everything and she was told not to leave her alone with him. I was wondering why she wasn’t just staying in the water park portion with me and my mother-in-law if she was going to be that sick.
On top of that my stepdaughter was interviewed without her mother for several hours (I don’t remember how long, but the number six pops into my head), even though she was told that she would be allowed in the room with her. I think after that interview they might have decided to drop all the charges, but still have yet to contact my husband or myself on this. The only reason I know any of this is because his ex-wife told me after she asked if we had gotten a phone call.
ScoopPC11 on January 14, 2009 at 4:09 PM
No need to repeat yourself.
I ignored you the first time.
Religious_Zealot on January 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM
How many more houses do you think that kid would burglarize if he took a 9-pellet 00 buckshot round to the legs and survived?
How many houses do you think his Dad would burglarize if both of them took a 9-pellet 00 buckshot round to the legs and survived?
If it got publicized, how many delinquents might think twice about burglarizing a community full of trigger happy shotgun owners?
leetpriest on January 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM
In new jersey
I know i was there for a few years
They child protective services
will pull you out for any reason
then send you to their approved homes
Where many were abused
Sexually assaulted
broken bones
And they DARE complain because of his name?
MORONS…
New jersey shouldnt be in the Union..
its run by a bunch of sadomasic sexual perverted child molesters..
and thats the GOOD part about new jersey..
jcila on January 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM
To name your child after Adolph Hitler is unthinkable to myself.
SC.Charlie on January 14, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Then why did you keep asking the question?
leetpriest on January 14, 2009 at 4:18 PM
I really wish headline comments were imported. I’ll reiterate here: CPS has way too much power, and can destroy a family based on anonymous tips alone. I think the parents are idiots for what they named their kids, but I cannot say that the names in of themselves are abusive.
Anna on January 14, 2009 at 4:21 PM
As stupid as these parents may be stupidity isn’t grounds to remove a child.
Here in New Jersey DYFS years ago overlooked many cases where foster children were clearly being abused and a few of the children ended up dying. Is this what their spending their time doing now? Is this the change we’ll be seeing in this country? Disagree with the beliefs of your rulers or lose your rights?
PS. by all means shouldn’t Rosie have her children taken away after she dressed one as a suicide bomber?
Rbastid on January 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM
When do all the kids named Mohammad get picked up?
All names of genocidal maniacs that wanted to exterminate the Jews should count.
Hening on January 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Yet another travesty of Justice from The People’s Republic of New Jersey.
That is a terrible name to give a child, but
what bothers me is that when this story first came out about the name of the child, some people on Conservative blog sites actually thought the children should be taken away from their parents, at least one even suggested violence against the family. That’s a real travesty too and anyone who said that could not be a true defender of liberty and have any credibility with me. Be very careful what you wish for, freedom is always in the balance.
Done That on January 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Yep, goin shoot me one of them thar 9 year old rascals…that’ll teach em to listen to their dad…if he survived…of course you will be “Big Larry’s” date for about 5 years.
You are what makes the NRA so weak, you are what makes gun control seem reasonable…read your post again, then have yourself another beer and possum turnover…
right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM
You are right, but you do admit that is is just short of child abuse to attach that moniker to them…and since the parents (if it is true) is on the welfare rolls, the state does have a say in how they raise the child.
You can’t take money from the gov. to raise a family, and raise them how you want…beggars can’t be choosy so they say.
right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM
You DO realize that you posted TWO replies to my SINGLE post at 2:47 (once at 3:21 and again at 4:07)?
I’m not repeating my question…
…YOU’RE repeating your answer.
Religious_Zealot on January 14, 2009 at 4:34 PM
More like, what if you named your child “Mohamed Atta” or “Osama Bin” whatever. I think we should have all the children removed from families with any of these peoples names. How about “Ted Bundy”, or “Timothy McVeigh” while we’re at it. Oh there’s just so much meddling the Family Courts could do. And why not, that’s what makes the dollars go round: sue and be sued, mediation, OSC Hearings, modifying this, modifying that, going to therapy here, going to counseling there… it’s a cottage industry in and of itself!
Sultry Beauty on January 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM
One of the funniest posts in a long time…you’re repeating your answer.
You gotta understand, he is a little hard of hearing with the shotgun thang an all…so he probable didn’t hear you’re question the first time, and someone had to repeat it to em…he’s a goin to larn to read nex yar…
right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM
But….if you are on the public dole, if they are supporting you and your family, don’t they have a right to direct you?
Creepy, I know, but when someone supports you they should have a say…(I am mulling this around, haven’t come to a conclusion because I hate the gov interfering, and also hate people taking advantage of our generosity)
right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Campbell is a Gaelic surname (primarily Scottish origin). Now, granted, English (most of it) is a Germanic language, but Gaelic is a weird mix that finds some of its origins in Gaul (modern day France).
In addition, English also includes about 15% French within the language — which is leftover from the 1066 Norman Conquest of England.
eanax on January 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Are you sh!itting me? Just because I get welfare now the government gets to dictate my life? Seriously? I know what you’re trying to say but it’s against every grain of conservativism there is and exactly the way liberals would what and have people think. That’s why they want to socialize everything. Without that they wouldn’t have people like you saying because we pay for it we have a right to come in your home and tell you what for. Ridiculous. Personal property rights, the bill of rights, the right to religious freedom and anything else about liberty and freedom would be out the door. You can’t have a little socialism and a little government interference. The real world doesn’t work like that. Out here in reality, right2, you give an inch they take a mile. How do you not see this? Unbelievable!
Sultry Beauty on January 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM
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