Is Mexico near collapse?
posted at 6:55 pm on January 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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The Department of Defense thinks so, or at least that a political collapse is within the realm of possibility. In fact, they think a collapse is about as likely south of the border as it is in Pakistan. Where Islamabad’s risk comes from radical Islamist terrorists, the drug trade is what might do in Mexico:
Mexico is one of two countries that “bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse,” according to a report by the U.S. Joint Forces Command on worldwide security threats.
The command’s “Joint Operating Environment (JOE 2008)” report, which contains projections of global threats and potential next wars, puts Pakistan on the same level as Mexico. “In terms of worse-case scenarios for the Joint Force and indeed the world, two large and important states bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and Mexico.
“The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and press by criminal gangs and drug cartels. How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state. Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone.”
No kidding. We’ve discussed the problems of failed states on a number of occasions and the risks they pose to national security. To my recollection, no one has seriously gamed out what having a failed state on our border would mean.
Why the concern? Mexico’s security forces have deteriorated sharply, and corruption has created conflicting loyalties within them. Drug cartels have perverted the state organs of law enforcement and security, turning them into mercenaries and worse. Earlier this week, Mexico’s government sent 2,000 troops into Juarez to quell a rising war on the streets that has already killed 35 people — since the beginning of the year. That’s a murder every eight hours since New Years Day. Even Mexico’s federal government can’t trust the local police.
How would the US protect itself from a warlord-ridden Mexico? We’d have to give serious consideration to arming the southern border to a far larger extent than any time in our history. Cross-border cooperation on drug smuggling would come to a halt, as we might find ourselves in a situation shown in the movie Traffic in which we wind up unwittingly allying with one cartel over another in the guise of official governmental contacts. And that’s not even mentioning the opportunities for terrorist groups to exploit lawless regions for their own purposes, right on our doorstep instead of half a world away.
In fact, a failed Mexico would quickly become our primary national-security concern. Immigration issues would become secondary, at best.
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MJ has an intoxicating affect on a scale similar to alcohol, but of a different nature. MJ doesn’t dim your mind like alcohol, (although some people seem to think so), you just spend more time inside of it appreciating your thoughts. MJ doesn’t affect your reflexes like Alcohol. You can’t OD on MJ like you can on alcohol, which is poison. In all of these regards and more, MJ is more like Tobacco.
However, unlike Tobacco, people don’t smoke nearly as much of it. Some of the anti-drug propaganda has claimed that MJ smoke is 20 times as bad for you as tobacco smoke, which isn’t substantiated by real science as far as I’m aware, but even if it’s true, most people only smoke maybe 2%, for example, as much MJ as another person smokes tobacco in a day. Some more, some less. In fact, a study far more comprehensive as the “schizophrenia” study you referred to shows that people who smoke both cigarettes and MJ have a lower chance of lung cancer.
Here’s the reality as I see it from personal experience and from monitoring the science over my lifetime: Marijuana is closer to caffeine than it is to alcohol and tobacco. If you take a ruler and place caffeine at 0″ and alcohol and tobacco at 12″, MJ is probably at 2 or 3″.
Two or three inches. Possibly four since it’s commonly smoked. If you vaporize it or eat it, let’s call it one inch.
The demonization of MJ is fantastically preposterous.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 1:11 AM
If everybody in America who currently uses alcohol or tobacco products quite and switched to MJ, America would be much better for it.
You can disagree but it doesn’t change it.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 1:14 AM
It is the modern definition in every English-speaking country outside of North America. The very word captures the essence of the Liberal political philosophy, and by letting the illiberal left call themselves “liberals” you give ammunition to your enemies.
I’m a contractor for the government, so I’m not a stranger to being the only person in the room who is correct. I’ll keep using the word the right way, and maybe someday enough other people will join me in that usage that there will be some hope for America’s future.
hicsuget on January 15, 2009 at 1:15 AM
hicsuget on January 15, 2009 at 12:13 AM
There lies the rub. Most of the people that violate the rights of others through rape, murder, theft, vandalism, etc. are drug users.
Johan Klaus on January 15, 2009 at 1:19 AM
Hmmmm… I feel like perhaps I should apologize to GlocknRoll. I’d figured it was at least a degree or two worse than that. Of course perception is important so I don’t blame HotAir for disallowing use of the term, but still, it seems fairly innocent now that I know. I’m almost disappointed.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 1:20 AM
That’s unquestionably true. Alcohol causes a lot of violence. Tobacco and MJ don’t. Some of the other drugs commonly considered the worst don’t either, although maybe a few have links to violence, but the last I heard Alcohol is far and away the worst—and I’m talking per-capita relative to use, not statistically irrelevant totals.
Of course black markets generate violence too, so that’s also a factor.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 1:24 AM
I don’t agree. The effect of MJ use by an entire population is observable in both Jamaica and Holland.
The long-term physical effect on Jamaica has been to create a country full of apathetic citizens who will not work. The political effect (so far) of legalisation in Holland has been to turn the country into a libertarian hellhole where cocaine dealers harass every passer-by on Main Street.
If Americans who drink and smoke switched to MJ (legally) I’d guess that some combination of the ill effects observed in Jamaica and Holland to be the result.
aengus on January 15, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Foisting isn’t an appropriate term. Nobody is advocating coercion. If a free man doesn’t want to use it, that is there right. If another does, that is there right. I’m not saying that there should be some controls and restrictions, but presently the line is not drawn in the right place, especially with regard to MJ.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 1:27 AM
I am an old man and I have seen a lot of promising hard working people, who had ambition and talent, waste all of their talent and loose their ambition, after getting involved with mj.
Johan Klaus on January 15, 2009 at 1:27 AM
HotAir only disallowed the term after someone complained that they found it personally offensive. So perception was much involved in this context.
aengus on January 15, 2009 at 1:29 AM
But I live in North America.
Besides, for the most part Western European politics is farther left then they are here. Fascism is even on the rise over there once more. I don’t want to emulate them. They should emulate us, or rather how we used to be.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 1:33 AM
Probably it is not the appropriate term but fully legalising a previously totally illegal substance could only be taken as a massive endorsement. It would lead many people who would not previously have taken it to try it. A less radical step might be a trial period of decriminalisation. I’m quite certain that if all licensing laws were repealed many more people would die of alcohol poisoning than at present–it would be their choice as freemen but still a bad outcome.
aengus on January 15, 2009 at 1:38 AM
Hell, my daughter in law is a wetback. (really legal) My grandson married a whop and my other son married a frog.
My wife is half kraut and half bohunk. My mother was half mick and half Cherokee and my dad was a kraut. I hate all of those foreigners.
Johan Klaus on January 15, 2009 at 1:42 AM
No it isn’t. If a political party is against abortion or mass illegal immigration they are demonised by leftist media outlets. Its fascism of the “Bush-Hitler” variety which is to say that Tom Tancredo (R-Texas) is to the right of every right-winger in Europe bar Le Pen who has been around forever.
aengus on January 15, 2009 at 1:44 AM
Charlton Heston was part Cherokee. Casual slurs don’t bother me at all but I don’t use them in case it offends people who do get upset.
aengus on January 15, 2009 at 1:46 AM
I appreciate you’re observations but I don’t know if you’re right. When I was in school I was stridently anti-MJ. My older brother started using it in High School and I used to lecture him with all the propaganda I’d learned. It negatively impacted my relationship with my brother, to this day. Then when I was older I learned that the propaganda was BS. The government doesn’t even allow studies, or didn’t. If they allow any now it is minuscule. I resent being a victim of government propaganda. It backfired.
If what you say is true, the scientific method should reveal it. If that happens then I will accept the findings, but this isn’t the case. The government had a massive study in the 70’s that was intended to show how bad MJ was and the science showed that MJ was relatively harmless for adults. Kids are another matter, but for adults it is relatively benign.
So the government disallowed further study.
Now they occasionally come out with non-scientific statistical analysis studies that demonize MJ without sufficient cause and then crawl back into the woodwork. For example, “BC Bud” is FAR more potent than the stuff you (parents) smoked in the 60’s and 70’s. It’s far stronger than it ever was in the past. One would almost think it was genetically engineered in a lab. Now it’s so potent that heroin doesn’t hold a candle to it.
The problem is, this is complete BS. You still can’t OD on MJ. It’s still not addictive, though maybe habit forming. It’s still the same old Marijuana, it just has better flavor and you don’t have to smoke nearly as much for the desired affect.
If you’re right, the government should allow “real” scientific discovery to take place. But they won’t until this WOD is over.
(This is a pretty long post, I’m not going to proof read.)
P.S. I get along fine with my brother these days but I’ll never forgive the government for what they tried to do.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 1:47 AM
…so it’s not as bad for your lungs. The more potent, the better it is, not worse.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 1:51 AM
I’ll drink to that!
unclesmrgol on January 15, 2009 at 1:52 AM
It’s a slur, has been used as such for decades. And please don’t cry that it’s not, ala the “magic negroe” controversy, because telling people what they shouldn’t be offended by is bullsh*t
Noneya on January 15, 2009 at 1:55 AM
uhh, yes I luckily found 2 racist postings! what a shock to find racism here! (actually it’s like shooting fish in a barrel)
Noneya on January 15, 2009 at 2:00 AM
America isn’t Jamaica or Holland. In actuality it would be far more complicated to compare all of the relevant factors than just naming a few countries. What about all of the other tropical countries even less productive than Jamaica that don’t have a reputation for MJ. And just what is the percentage of MJ usage in Jamaica compared to the US and other countries? Holland has some problems, but how much of it is caused by their socialist government? (It’s not like many of us here have any confidence in socialism.) Why should junkies be able to shoot up in parks? That’s stupid. Why can people only buy MJ in a restricted number of cafe’s, thus allowing organized crime to gain a foothold, similar to strip-clubs in the US? If they treated it like alcohol then there would be more competition and although there might be some crime associated with some percentage of establishments, people who didn’t want to frequent those establishments, (like myself; I haven’t been to a bar in 15 years), could go to a liquor type store to buy their product and enjoy it in their own home.
Point being, comparisons are far more complicated than simply naming a few countries.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 2:04 AM
My son’s drug of choice was MJ. His grades tanked right after middle school, and (as you have pointed out in another comment as a serious side effect), he became schizophrenic. He hated us — raged at us. Threatened to kill us if we didn’t give him his “freedom”. We’d wake up at 2AM to find one of our cars missing (he would go to “hookah clubs” with his friends, as we later found out).
We were clueless. Tried counseling, but if the druggie isn’t honest (and they never are), you can’t get to the root.
The hell only stopped after he was arrested near the end of the spring semester of his freshman year in college. More than $20K for zero units complete. He had no scholarships because of his bad high school grades, so that was all “out of pocket” — with us never eating out, bagging lunches to work, watching every penny…so he could be high nearly 24/7.
He’s a far different person now that he’s on the wagon, so to speak, but he’s not the same guy he was when he graduated from middle school. Our straight-A, loving, helpful, guy is again loving and helpful, but he is lucky to get B’s because there’s something brain-wise that seems to have died in the MJ phase. We are hoping it will come back.
Going through his password-protected facebook site after the confession, I found a picture of a friend in his dorm room doing a line of cocaine using my son’s ASB card. He was that close to crossing the line.
What the government tells you is true. What your brother’s dealer told him is false. ‘nuf said.
unclesmrgol on January 15, 2009 at 2:13 AM
Welcome to the club!
unclesmrgol on January 15, 2009 at 2:13 AM
I’ll admit to some mixed feelings, (and also that I haven’t studies the issue very closely), but my impression is that some of them are also anti-semitic and would even be apposed to Arian Hersi Ali (sp?). As far as I’m concerned the jews that have lived in Europe for generations are every bit as European as any other.
If it is only a matter of islamization then they’ll need to do a better job of selling themselves, at lest to me.
BTW, what about the various symbols that LGF has pointed to as evidence of their fascist roots? Are you saying there is nothing to that? I’m not a fan of symbols, myself. If I have a symbol around it’s got to mean something. Is this not true for them either? Are they just “collectors” or something?
Anyway, I’m just about done for the night so maybe I should get into a new topic.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 2:15 AM
The LA Times should apologize for that, IMO. I HATE those racist liberal bastages!
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 2:19 AM
No surprise there. Drugs should not be used by kids. I’d include pharmaceuticals in the lot as well.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 2:22 AM
As is the opposite.
OldEnglish on January 15, 2009 at 3:08 AM
I thought they has already collapsed? Sounds like a bailout is needed.
Benjamin9 on January 15, 2009 at 4:34 AM
More than Mexi’s come across that border. Hamas has tunnels, the Coyotes have tunnels. Connect the dots.
Benjamin9 on January 15, 2009 at 4:45 AM
There are plenty of “Yanks” who feel the same way that you do. Problem is, this admin is going to try and take our ability to defend ourselves away.
Benjamin9 on January 15, 2009 at 4:55 AM
Immigration issues would overwhelm us, but we’ll have to change some terminology.
Out: “Illegal aliens”
In: “Refugees”
Hey, maybe the U.N. could help monitor refugee camps at our border.
Buy Danish on January 15, 2009 at 7:13 AM
Make it a U.S. territory. The Mexicans will want to go back.
johnnyU on January 15, 2009 at 7:43 AM
STOP with the MJ is harmless crap! You don’t know what the hell you are talking about and are buying into another one of the big lies of the MSM!
MJ is a drug! It deposits itself into the brain. It doesn’t readily go away and builds up and leads to the stoner reaction because THC blocks the brains ability to send electrical impulses because of the thick black deposits!
Before you spout tripe about something learn about it! Go talk to a drug treatment expert or a doctor!
sabbott on January 15, 2009 at 7:54 AM
Fixed. Epic miss on that, MC.
Jaibones on January 15, 2009 at 7:56 AM
And we’d recognize this . . . how?
NoDonkey on January 15, 2009 at 8:16 AM
Two ideas that deserve pondering (as silly as they may seem):
One-find your select group of corrupt Mexican generals. Offer them $20,000,000 each to patrol, interdict, prevent and then extricate their illegals back to their side. It has been documented that they are prone to ‘highest bidder’ loyalties. For every illegal that makes it through their perimeter, deduct $1,000,000 from their payoff. Assuming we could gather 5-10 of these ‘hombres’ I would still imagine a cost benefit ratio would still be in our favor even at a maximum payout.
Or two-and this may be a killing of two birds with one stone scenario. Ship all of our Floridian alligator overpopulation down to this are and put them to some good use. Instead of some wall(or in conjunction with) have a natural habitat type moat in and around the high frequency breech zones. I would have to believe that not after too long it wouldn’t take too many ‘incidents’ for some serious discouragement on the part of these lawbreakers to reconsider…at least in a significance number. Again, more than likely enough to justify the cost and logistics to implement said plan.
Yes the above two scenarios are mainly tongue and cheeck…but what constructive thinking should be taken away from the above proposals is the whole thinking out of the box type brainstorming that is often effective. These, of course are not original ideas. But then again is this kind of thinking more or less likely to produce results that we will likely cringe at our own government’s complacency to solve real issues…?
anuts on January 15, 2009 at 8:19 AM
All this crime has not accumulated along our Border and over it from Mexico for no reason. The crime is there because it’s the staging ground for El Norte.
Otherwise, there’s no reason why a nation adjacent to us and using/participating in the U.S. overall economy as Mexico has been doing, would be “failing.”
Another reason is that 2/3 of Mexico’s adult population is in the U.S. legally and mostly illegally. That’s left a lot of room for other people to move in and a lot of children in need of parenting to go without it.
Mexico’s a wasteland, in my view, without excuse for being so, what with so many resources. I think the Mayas’ 2012 prediction/s about the end of things has to do with the remnants of their territory eventually vanishing into “fail” as per what’s now occurring, leading up to 2012.
S on January 15, 2009 at 8:54 AM
Yes, it is. It’s not “anti-marijuana” propaganda, it’s real science.
S on January 15, 2009 at 8:56 AM
I am going to try not to think of this throughout the day!!
jeanie on January 15, 2009 at 8:56 AM
Cannabis is harmful. What’s harmful about it is growing 3 plants in your home and having the government confiscate the house that you own.It’s harmful if you take an unconstitutional piss test and lose your job to feed your family. It’s harmful when a guy who barely got through high school arrests you, and then you have prison time and a record as a criminal.
When the laws are more harmful than the substance itself, it’s time to change something. And screw the left when they say legalize and tax. I should be able to grow it in my backyard and consume at my leisure, like tomatoes. The government has no right to tell me what I can consume, prohibition never works.
I say release all those in jails for cannabis, and put the Madoffs and Barney Franks of this country in their place. How’s that for hope-n-change????
adamsmith on January 15, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Mexico’s deterioration may be hastened by “Criminal Gangs” and “Drug Cartels”.
Some elements of Mexico that seem common to most of the failing states of this hemisphere: Socialist and/or command economies; pervasive bribery at all government and economic levels (morditas); moderate-severe racism (a common complaint from Mexican friends and relatives is that Pemex and the White Mexicans (castellanos) run everything, and starve everyone else…and that the darker you are in Mexico, the poorer you are).
Also, the Mexican government’s use of the U.S. economy as a safety valve to postpone structural changes to curb native social unrest doesn’t seem to be unlimited.
trl on January 15, 2009 at 9:07 AM
I second that. I watched quite a few friends (who lectured about all mj’s good points, much like you find here) turn out to be quite unproductive. I’m 65 years old and my life experiences tell me that certain persons need help on their road to failure and many times MJ fills the bill. In all honesty you find the same tale with alcohol, but just because one’s not worse than the other doesn’t make either good.
It’s harder to make alcohol than grow mj. Legalized mj would be in the hands of every child in America (not that illegal mj isn’t) but at least by it’s being illegal there’s an effort to keep it away from 8 year old children. They already have enough ways to fail.
Ernest on January 15, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Immigration might not be our first concern, but what happens when we’re suddenly taking in refugees of a drug war? Suddenly every illegal would have legal status and there’d be virtually no way to stop the influx of 10 million more. Then these ‘refugees’ would be eligible for social services within days instead of having to get fake papers to get services.
Oh well, at least then we wouldn’t have a Mexican government that pretended to be our friend…
DrewVT6 on January 15, 2009 at 9:21 AM
It is not “near” collapse, it is collapsing.
trl on January 15, 2009 at 9:07 AM Has a good assessment of “business as usual” in Mexico.
It is also no surprise that states like California are also on the brink of collapse. They are spending billions on providing welfare to the illegal immigrants. You just watch, the Obamamessiah and the Corruptocrats will declare them all “political refugees” and we as a country with be spending billions on them. They are used to voting for “Communistas” so the Corruptocrats will want to give them the right to vote as soon as possible.
Nahanni on January 15, 2009 at 9:23 AM
If this happen, we will be flooded with Mexicans. Obama best keep building that darn fence.
becki51758 on January 15, 2009 at 9:28 AM
“Immigration issues would become secondary, at best.”
Immigration issues are non-existent now, getting ready for the merge. I wonder whether Barry will actually put troops on the border. Time to get armed in any case.
This is very old news in my community. Glad to see someone is getting the ‘word’ out to non-border states. Thanks Ed.
Christine on January 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM
The good news is that the southern border is already heavily armed, at least from the Texas perspective.
Vashta.Nerada on January 15, 2009 at 9:49 AM
becki51758…They gutted the bill for the fence and Obama has said NO to building it anyway. This is just the natural consequence of http://www.spp.gov…get used to it.
Christine on January 15, 2009 at 9:50 AM
And moronic bleeding heart far left wack job Liberals wonder why we Conservatives want to secure the borders at all costs, lock em down and why we Conservatives want to get MUCH tougher on criminals and drug crimes in America.
Nuf said… Need more proof? Idiots! Morons! Do-Gooders!
Liberalisiam is a mental disorder!
Mark Garnett on January 15, 2009 at 9:53 AM
BTW: the murder rate in Tijuana is off the charts. (These murders include be-headings and severed hands and feet.) Maybe the me-me-media will start covering it has become ‘little Bhagdad’. Maybe not.
Christine on January 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Mexico already collapsed, this is just fallout.
Mexico is and has been a failed, corrupt hellhole for quite some time. It is nothing more than our bloated parasite to the south.
Quite frankly we should bring back the internment camps for Mexicans. Solve illegal immigration and the drug war all at once. I know Obambi would never think of doing this, even though his forbearer FDR did.
Mexico needs the average Mexican to get off their lazy, low skill butts, and fix the problems in their nation instead of leeching off the generosity of Americans.
BKennedy on January 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM
I fail to see how a ua for a private company is unconstitutional. Admittedly, I searched through my trusty pocket constitution that I carry in case I missed any clause that specifically enumerated the prevention of a private business from conducting such practices as they see fit.
…
Nope. Not a mention of it anywhere. So just as it was easy to conclude the unconstitutionality of this is not enumerated in it. It became easy to conclude it is appropriate and legal for them (liberty of business owners) are still safe from governmental tyranny and unconstitutional restraints on them which clearly don’t exist.
Coercion begins from government intrusions into the private sector. Thankfully, this particular exmple has not yet been breeched by its seemingly tyrannical trend…or unconstitutional trend, as it were.
anuts on January 15, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Severed heads have been found not far from the main tourist strip in Acapulco.
JiangxiDad on January 15, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Liberalism is a mental disorder!” Glad to see you’re getting ‘Savage’ on this. ;-) Borders, language, culture is what we need, but with a cowardly and naive child in office, it won’t happen. Adios, Ustados Unidos, hola cartels de drugos.
Christine on January 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Tick tick tick…
Another culture, even older than islamic ideology, cannot meet the responsibilities and issues of today’s world.
Ask yourselves: WHY? Look to the ideology.
Another culture is weighed and found wanting…
pseudonominus on January 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM
That is kind. Like you, I don’t blame the ideology, I blame the culture. That is why unchecked illegal immigration is such a serious threat. Once we reach a hipanic tipping point, their culture of complete corruption and lawlessness will take a very deep root here and set the stage for our colapse.
You can’t talk sense to Palestinians, but lets hope you can talk sense to Mexicans. They must take responsibility and clean up their own cultural mess. They need to replace squalor with education just like Costa Rica did.
saiga on January 15, 2009 at 10:36 AM
I would think that a country that can’t support it’s own population to the point that it ENCOURAGES them to move illegally to another was ALREADY in a state of collapse…
wildcat84 on January 15, 2009 at 10:37 AM
I neither advocate nor use illegal drugs. That said, I do think the laws making them illegal (marijuana at any rate) only create more problems than they solve (like with alcohol prohibition). Yes, I’m under no illusions that drugs destroy lives. My little sister went a a mostly B student most of her school years to a barely D- student her senior year. The drug use continued for a year or so after than but thankfully she’s been clean for several years now but we almost lost her in more ways than one. Even with all that in mind, I still think making them illegal only crates more problems. We got some pothead in jail but half of Washington D.C. which seemingly should be in jail for bankrupting this country or flat out violating the Constitution are still in office.
Yakko77 on January 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Also, a collapse of the Mexican govt would have what effect on illegal immigration I wonder?
Yakko77 on January 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Does anyone have Winfield Scott’s phone number? Or Blackjack Pershing’s?
Leopold Stotch on January 15, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Hmmm… didn’t Patton do some cross border stuff as well? Seem to remember reading it years ago…
Romeo13 on January 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Mehico’ has been declining for years. Thats what you get with socialism, and a horribly corrupt system of government.
And their people have the nerve to call OUR system bad? We are flying angles even WITH blagovitch compared to their system.
tx2654 on January 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM
“Open borders” says Barack Obama.
“Yes” addes Pelosi, “I need more workers for my vineyards.”
drjohn on January 15, 2009 at 11:33 AM
I spent 15 years, 10 day fishing vacation in Baja Ca…it is absolutely awesome, if we could get a hold of Baja, we could have 1/2 dozen “French Rivieras” (Bahia de Las Angeles, Mulege, Loreto, La Paz, Gurerro Negro, San Quintin, etc.) all more beautiful then anything we have in the states (exception maybe San Diego) , hundreds of first class hotels along the Sea of Cortez.
It would be a gold mine…probably half of our tomatoes, and other crops come from the San Quentin area…let alone the great San Quentin bay.
Clean up TJ, clean up Ensenada, improve the port, then work your way down to Cabo.
right2bright on January 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM
You left out a couple of key words…
right2bright on January 15, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Want the most dangerous job in the world?…be a police officer, attorney, or judge and try to fight the drug lords in TJ.
Life expectancy, about 6 weeks…
right2bright on January 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Your statement is so ridiculous that I’m not sure if it was made out of total ignorance or was an attempt at humor.
FloatingRock on January 15, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Yes, he was an officer under Pershing.
Vashta.Nerada on January 15, 2009 at 12:04 PM
If Mexico is near political collapse, what happens to our oil supply since Petroleos Mexicanos is owned by the Mexican Government?
If the Mexican federal government can’t trust local police in Mexico, don’t WE need to reinforce police protection and the Border Patrol in cities along the Mexican border?
There have been several incidents reported of rogue elements of the Mexican army straying into U.S. territory, allegedly to help drug smugglers. While this should not be used to justify a full-scale war against Mexico, it does constitute an invasion of U.S. sovereignty, and National Guard troops along the border should be allowed to apprehend, and eventually combat, any Mexican soldier found unauthorized on U.S. territory.
Since the incoming Obama administration probably doesn’t care about the border, we’ll need the Minutemen more than ever.
Steve Z on January 15, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Free Ramos and Compean
kirkill on January 15, 2009 at 12:24 PM
OK. You offend me, jerk. Now, shutup or apologize.
Geez, you’d think you thought there was some such thing as Freedom of Speech?
/sarc
Now let me tell you something jackass. These people are free to call others whatever the Hell they want to. You and your “Progressive” thought police, and labeling good people in one political party, and only one political party as racists, bigots, greedy and evil is EXACTLY what is wrong with the country, and why your own party is such a racist, nihilist, cowardly bunch of prigs. The only good race discussion is one you win because you silence the opposition before they ever get a chance to speak.
You use your big bully pulpit of the MSM to demonize good Men and Women who defend you and your rights, and who work to better our country just because you want to win a political election even if it is at the expense of tearing down good institutions in the country, and as long as it keeps people who don’t agree with you under your power and off the air waves.
You offend me. Deeply. I’m not asking anyone to ban you. I’m asking for 5 minutes alone with you to show you the error of your ways. After all, that’s what the Dhimmicratic activists (Code Pink, International ANSWER, MSM reporters, Dhimmicratic pundits, and Muslim protesters over Israel’s right to defend itself) are all so loudmouthed and insistent about. They have to break into every Congressional hearing and splatter blood on Republicans and label conservatives as demons and incite hatred so badly that they will impeach, imprison, confiscate personal property, leak government secrets to our enemies, and attack someone who has broken NO laws in the country whatsoever, but who shares the wrong politics, or doesn’t agree with their personal views.
They want to shut up and shout down every conservative in the world by claiming conservatives’ Free Speech is dangerous, and then insisting that Dhimmicratic speech is the only correct one. Time to put up or shut up assh*le. And after all, as Trace Adkins says in “Fighting Words”, the First Amendment protects you from the government, not from me.
So you either live with the speech these folks choose to use, or you take my way and exercise your right to give them and me a good old country ass-whoopin, if you are man enough to do so.
You make me sick. Jerk.
Subsunk
PS, Listen to the whole video at the link. It applies to you.
If you think you can claim a physical threat here, then you’d better be ready to explain how physically intimidating Jewish supporters on the streets, taking down an Israeli or an American flag or even a cross or star of David in a person’s private home or on their private property, because it might incite an ugly crowd to disorder, and claiming that Republicans are all racist, nativist scum differs from calling someone a nigger, a kike, a wetback, or an assh*le. Because clearly, your language is the same as those who use these words for hatred and for violence. Think whatever you want. Freedom of Speech works both ways. Grow up and accept it, or open your mouth to prove you are a fool.
Subsunk on January 15, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Okay, so how do you differentiate between the lowly Mexican coming to make:
“A better life for his or her family by suckling on the big tit America and a terrorist that is coming to blow up America?”
You can’t, so you need to stop BOTH because THEY ARE BOTH CRIMINALS!
Living in Texas most of my life, and now New Mexico, it is as obvious as Nan Pelosi’s face lift that Mexico is a shitpit ready to collapse. Duh!
HornetSting on January 15, 2009 at 12:50 PM
You’re wasting your time. Noneya is a race baiting troll. He can find racism in words like ‘blackhole’….
HornetSting on January 15, 2009 at 12:51 PM
My time to waste, isn’t it? Thanks for trying to keep me from tilting at windmills, but I like calling idiots, idiots. I like calling cowards, cowards. And I like calling liars, liars. It gives me purpose in Life and a warm fuzzy feeling to know that somewhere down their backs is a dishonest, yellow streak a mile wide that they have to hide when they are ganging up 20 to one on a person who is just espousing their own beliefs in a civilized way.
Allah and Ed can ban me if they wish. It’s their site. I just like to borrow it once in a while. And I love it when 20 idiots show up to attack me. Makes it a fair fight, don’t you think?
Subsunk
Subsunk on January 15, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Oh, I’m not going to stand in your way…go forth and attack. But, you can’t fix stupid.
Noneya is the village idiot and troll, but yes, good for entertainment. :)
HornetSting on January 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM
I think that extricating our troops from abroad, as our military objectives are achieved, and deploying them to our southern border is a good thing.
I also think that the Federal War on Drugs has been a failure, due, in part, to certain agencies working with and encouraging the same narco suppliers that the DEA is trying to send to prison.
Perhaps a collapse of the Mexican government will preciptate some long-ignored border security on our part.
molonlabe28 on January 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM
As always, I’m glad to see that I’m not the only guy here over 60, although I don’t characterize myself as an old man (I’ve been old, and didn’t find it particularly rewarding). Like a lot of you, I expect, I’ve had a whole lot more experience than I ever planned on.
Due to one thing or another, I’ve rarely attained the middle class, which has led to a lot of experience best done without. One thing I’ve seen pretty close up is the drug culture, even though my own usage has been limited to marijuana. I’ve quit, for reasons of my own. I can tell you from what I’ve seen that weed isn’t the problem here, but criminality itself.
Even though I’ve been involved in and around music my whole life (and of course considered myself wised-up to almost everything as a result), the last few years have changed my perspective mightily. Since the early century I’ve been living in Sonoma County, about 50 miles north of San Francisco, and as I’ve said in another comment stream, it’s characterized by the Congressional Record as “the Left-most county in the country”. Corruption is, of course, endemic.
This area is on the North end of U.S. 101, and is both the Wine Country and the Southernmost county of the Emerald Triangle, producer of the most potent marijuana in the country, if not the world. This combination has resulted in a very large concentration of illegals working in both the vineyards and the marijuana plantations in the hills and forest areas. What originally started out as hippie agriculture in the ’70s has been taken over to a large extent by Mexican narco gangsters and staffed by campesinos, and is the furthest thing from a benign industry.
Still, as I said, this is not the worst part, whatever you may feel about the pros/cons of smoking weed. This area is also an enormous producer of methamphetamine, as are many rural areas of California. Let me tell you right now, meth users turned my head around with a snap. The deterioration of personality, in the almost constant combination with alcohol, happens at a speed that would make your head swim.
One of the things I learned by heart while working in a hospital in the early ’70s was the truism “Never trust a junkie”, which of course applies to anybody whose relationship with alcohol, heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc etc supercedes any personal responsibility to themselves or anybody else. The corollary to that phrase, btw, is “A junkie will tell you anything”. It’s always all about control. Nothing I have ever seen is worse than meth in that regard.
When discussing the problems of Mexico, I think it has to be considered that a part of the illegal population here is the worst that the Mexican culture has to offer, in much the same way that the Marielitos in Florida were people that Castro was happy to see leave Cuba. I don’t know about legalizing marijuana; it’s essentially legal in California anyway, or at least everybody acts like it. I do know that legalization isn’t going to make gangsters disappear, any more than the repeal of the 18th amendment got rid of the Mob.
In my opinion marijuana has been employed as a straw man ever since Carter, and the Drug Administration industry has been observably nonresponsive to more dangerous drugs like crack and now speed. Whether pot is a “gateway drug” is a long way past the point when narcotics are so cheap and readily available. In my own experience marijuana is a tremendous reliever of chronic pain; what other people do with it is imo none of my business. Gangsterism is another issue.
Just one man’s opinion. Sorry for the long post, I guess, but I’m just no good at sound bites, and this is on my mind a lot these days.
warbaby on January 15, 2009 at 1:06 PM
And naming companies that employ illegals, thus making a big problem bigger should be on the list.
Shame them into submission for being Un-American. Then our U.S. Border Patrol can concentrate on terrorists/drug smugglers and not illegals coming for work. Both criminals, but it thins the herd.
Next, all these states begging for a bail out, if you don’t stop giving money to illegals….no cash for you.
No tit, the illegals will leave in droves and then you can concentrate on the hardcore criminal element.
We need to get real about Mexico. They are not our friend, they are like the family friend that kills your dog, steals your jewelry, and yet blames you for his ills.
HornetSting on January 15, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Good thing Bush and Chertoff got that fence built like they promised. wait a minute, what? … they didn’t?
james23 on January 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM
We need more TX Rangers of old. Wild ex-criminals many of them, but they were good at patrolling the border!
I agree wholeheartedly. They truly are NOT an ally.
Badger40 on January 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Shocker!
But I thought no culture was better than another!
/sarc
Badger40 on January 15, 2009 at 1:33 PM
It is getting bad when mexicans arent
just crossing the river to work..
No now entire towns are emptying out in mexico
and they are all DRIVING to the US (how in the Hell are they getting over the border) and then
BUYING ALL the us real-estate on the us side
paid for in CASH.. (which i find funny)
So their families can live (illigally in the usa)
This looks like RATS leaving a sinking ship..
Something is also very funny..
where in the Hell is the INS?
Where is homeland security?
Where are the police?
Oh yea i forgot they are all too busy worrying about all the WHITE Racists who didnt vote for obama..
MORONS
jcila on January 15, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Can’t say it or post it enough…he just has to do it.
right2bright on January 15, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Where is INS? They don’t exist anymore. Homeland Security…they are jailing our Border Patrol for doing their jobs!
Unleash the great might of the U.S. Border Patrol, stop tying their hands behind their back, give them the tools to do the job, and watch the illegals…..run back to Mexico in droves.
HornetSting on January 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM
The crackheads have moved into the white house….they are not allowing the general public to voice opinions….like
FREE OUR U.S. BORDER PATROL AGENTS, RAMOS AND COMPEAN!
HornetSting on January 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Hot damm!
Johan Klaus on January 15, 2009 at 3:25 PM
the answer to this problem is obvious and will soon be proposed by our do-gooder nanny-staters.
Make Mexico the 51st state.
Then we can take of about 100 million new non-taxpayers and Obama voters.
notagool on January 15, 2009 at 3:46 PM
If Mexico descended into chaos, how could one tell?
Akzed on January 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM
800+ in a population of 1 million plus. Compare that to 390 in Los Angeles in the year 2007, with LA having a population of almost 4 mil. (The LA murder rate has dropped in the past few years BTW.)
baldilocks on January 15, 2009 at 5:12 PM
:-):-):-)
baldilocks on January 15, 2009 at 5:14 PM
NoDonkey on January 15, 2009 at 4:34 PM
The problem is that L.A. is Mexico ciudad noroeste
and Houston is Mexico ciudad del Norte central.
Johan Klaus on January 15, 2009 at 5:22 PM
I make up my opinions from facts and reasoning, and not to suit anybody but myself. If people don’t like my opinions, it makes little difference as I don’t solicit their opinions nor their votes.
- William Tecumseh Sherman
MB4 on January 15, 2009 at 5:52 PM
can you say el tarpo?
flyoverland on January 15, 2009 at 5:53 PM
glocknroll and subsunk, do your units know what racist scum you are? and if so, you haven’t been fragged yet? shocking….
Noneya on January 15, 2009 at 6:06 PM
here she is, the most self-loathing of them all…….
Noneya on January 15, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Your hypocrisy is showing; you’re both a racist and a bigot. Go f**k yourself, wannabe re-enslaver of black Americans.
baldilocks on January 15, 2009 at 6:42 PM
BTW, I’ve pretty much left you alone after you said that to me the first time–an occasion when I was trying to have a conversation with you as if you were a reasonable person. Now that you have repeatedly demonstrated that you are not a reasonable person, that you are as racist as the average Klansman–worse since Klansmen don’t try to pretend as if they are trying to help black people–I will treat you like the low-life that you are.
baldilocks on January 15, 2009 at 6:47 PM
I’m the klansman? have you seen the racism on this thread and the cop one? of course you have, but you just hate your own race as much as they do.
Noneya on January 15, 2009 at 6:58 PM
You are truly dumb as a box of rocks and a race baiting whoremonger.
Check out Noneya’s response to Trig and Palin taking him on the road with her on the McCain Dinner Blog. Truly disgraceful, this one.
HornetSting on January 15, 2009 at 7:03 PM
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