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Is Mexico near collapse?

posted at 6:55 pm on January 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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The Department of Defense thinks so, or at least that a political collapse is within the realm of possibility.  In fact, they think a collapse is about as likely south of the border as it is in Pakistan.  Where Islamabad’s risk comes from radical Islamist terrorists, the drug trade is what might do in Mexico:

Mexico is one of two countries that “bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse,” according to a report by the U.S. Joint Forces Command on worldwide security threats.

The command’s “Joint Operating Environment (JOE 2008)” report, which contains projections of global threats and potential next wars, puts Pakistan on the same level as Mexico. “In terms of worse-case scenarios for the Joint Force and indeed the world, two large and important states bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and Mexico.

“The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and press by criminal gangs and drug cartels. How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state. Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone.”

No kidding.  We’ve discussed the problems of failed states on a number of occasions and the risks they pose to national security.  To my recollection, no one has seriously gamed out what having a failed state on our border would mean.

Why the concern?  Mexico’s security forces have deteriorated sharply, and corruption has created conflicting loyalties within them.  Drug cartels have perverted the state organs of law enforcement and security, turning them into mercenaries and worse.  Earlier this week, Mexico’s government sent 2,000 troops into Juarez to quell a rising war on the streets that has already killed 35 people — since the beginning of the year.  That’s a murder every eight hours since New Years Day.  Even Mexico’s federal government can’t trust the local police.

How would the US protect itself from a warlord-ridden Mexico?  We’d have to give serious consideration to arming the southern border to a far larger extent than any time in our history.  Cross-border cooperation on drug smuggling would come to a halt, as we might find ourselves in a situation shown in the movie Traffic in which we wind up unwittingly allying with one cartel over another in the guise of official governmental contacts.  And that’s not even mentioning the opportunities for terrorist groups to exploit lawless regions for their own purposes, right on our doorstep instead of half a world away.

In fact, a failed Mexico would quickly become our primary national-security concern.  Immigration issues would become secondary, at best.


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Build the wall!

bopbottle on January 14, 2009 at 6:59 PM

First!

At this point, would it help or hurt for the U.S. to end our war on drugs?

JadeNYU on January 14, 2009 at 6:59 PM

JadeNYU on January 14, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Ugh! I, unfortunately, used a special character to put in the aside and now it makes me look like an ass.

That should have said:

“First! (<—-only posted because of a conversation on another thread)”

JadeNYU on January 14, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Time to militarize the border or better yet what was that Obama said about a civilian defense force? :P

Indy928 on January 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Earlier this week, Mexico’s government sent 2,000 troops into Juarez to quell a rising war on the streets that has already killed 35 people — since the beginning of the year. That’s a murder every eight hours since New Years Day. Even Mexico’s federal government can’t trust the local police.

A couple of friends in New Mexico have told me that there are also American towns near the border under martial law, with checkpoints at every major road entrance, due to related violence going on. The gangs are closing in and taking advantage of our weak border.

Obama will be dealing with this, and I’m pretty sure he’ll mess it up fantastically.

MadisonConservative on January 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM

No, Mexico has significant problems but a collapse would require a complete breakdown of the system. Yes Lopez Obrador did damage the country after the last election by his attempt to deny the legitimacy of Calderon, and by his left wing parties attacks at every turn on the Mexican government, (Sound Familiar?) But Mexico has not gotten close to the precipice, yet.

rob verdi on January 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM

How would the US protect itself from a warlord-ridden Mexico? We’d have to give serious consideration to arming the southern border to a far larger extent than any time in our history.

Mmm, so many juicy targets! Fish in a barrel, baby!

Sincerely,

Johnny Sutton

thirteen28 on January 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Hmm. Seems like The Grand Warlock was on to something.

JammieWearingFool on January 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Their primary source of income is oil, the price of which is falling off a cliff and production there is declining rapidly.

Their second source of income are all those checks the Mexicans in America send back home–with our economy diving, that’s declining rapidly.

Their third source of income is tourism–not safe there and our economy is diving.

That’s about all they’ve got other than drugs.

We should consider annexing part of it; the rebuilding is all we need to get out of this depression…

blue13326 on January 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM

possibility. in fact

Capitol I, please. : )

Anna on January 14, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Build the wall!

bopbottle on January 14, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Even more, the southern border must be militarized. This is not fun and games anymore.

But, with the incoming dope as Precedent we might as well just forget anything that makes sense. And McShame will be working hard on his moronic shamnesty very soon so, especially as he can now add some idiotic teary-eyed lies about their poor home country … Kiss it all good bye, folks.

progressoverpeace on January 14, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Mexico? Falling apart? Meh. We have THE ONE! What could possibly go wrong?

And…

FIRST!

wccawa on January 14, 2009 at 7:06 PM

But whatever you do don’t secure the border. That’d be racist. Instead we’ll let the drug lords pose major threats to the Hispanic and non-Hispanic populations on the border. Good idea.

amerpundit on January 14, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Bailout?

What about all the US companies that moved down there?

I lost my job when my company outsourced production to Juarez.

Juarez must be bad, because they are pulling out already to another part of Mexico.

reaganaut on January 14, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Perhaps Obama may want to redirect those 20-30,000 troops he wants to send to Afghanistan, to Mexico instead.

ThePrez on January 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM

It’s the food

hanzblinx on January 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Those of us in Southern California have been screaming about this for years……….

…………. glad the Feds are paying attention,

…………………….. now that it’s too late.

Seven Percent Solution on January 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Immigration issues would become secondary, at best.

Not so – violence in Mexico would produce a huge outflow of refugees who will never go home. The US Hispanic population will demand that we accept everyone who wanted to come and give them all citizenship for their “protection”.

DerKrieger on January 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM

I’m beginning to believe the NWO conspiracists.

madmonkphotog on January 14, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Put a $100 bounty on every body stopped from crossing the border – by any means necessary. Leave the carcasses there as a warning. I bet you’d have loads of volunteers taking vacations to patrol the border.

KSgop on January 14, 2009 at 7:14 PM

definitely time to legalize marijuana at the very least. the War on Drugs is too costly and ineffective.

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 7:15 PM

What if they start coming over the borders illegally!

Chuck Schick on January 14, 2009 at 7:15 PM

JadeNYU on January 14, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Ugh! I, unfortunately, used a special character to put in the aside and now it makes me look like an ass.

That should have said:

“First! (<—-only posted because of a conversation on another thread)”

JadeNYU on January 14, 2009 at 7:01 PM

lol epic fail

Ars Moriendi on January 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Put a $100 bounty on every body stopped from crossing the border – by any means necessary. Leave the carcasses there as a warning. I bet you’d have loads of volunteers taking vacations to patrol the border.

KSgop on January 14, 2009 at 7:14 PM

I wondered how long it would take before this board turned into a “kill all the mexicans” board….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM

But I thought Harry Reid said the border was a lovely place to be?

ctmom on January 14, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM

International borders are supposed to be very serious things. The consequences for someone trying to infiltrate our borders must be much harsh. But you wouldn’t understand that, of course.

progressoverpeace on January 14, 2009 at 7:19 PM

progressoverpeace on January 14, 2009 at 7:19 PM

“very harsh” … obviously.

progressoverpeace on January 14, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 7:15 PM

And John now smoking marijuana legally in Kansas solves the problem of criminal gangs, kidnapping, and drug cartels fighting in Mexico how?

The answer to every problem that you can’t totally stop isn’t to legalize it. Stopping terrorism is also costly and can’t totally be stopped. Time to legalize it. Stopping or investigating murder is costly and it can’t be completely stopped. Time to legalize it.

amerpundit on January 14, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Buy Baja…get Baja and leave the rest to Mexico.

right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Put a $100 bounty on every body stopped from crossing the border – by any means necessary. Leave the carcasses there as a warning. I bet you’d have loads of volunteers taking vacations to patrol the border.

KSgop on January 14, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Stelios: Our ancestors built this wall using ancient stones from the bosom of Greece herself. And with a little Spartan help, your Persian scouts supplied the mortar.

MadisonConservative on January 14, 2009 at 7:20 PM

I wondered how long it would take before this board turned into a “kill all the mexicans” board….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Rascism behind every shadow!

apollyonbob on January 14, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Time to send in Joe The Plumber!

robblefarian on January 14, 2009 at 7:22 PM

FIRST!

wccawa on January 14, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Dude! Stop trying to steal my thunder.

lol epic fail

Ars Moriendi on January 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM

And there was no denying it either. *sigh*

JadeNYU on January 14, 2009 at 7:22 PM

And by the way, these gangs have moved beyond drug smuggling. The drug smugglers now smuggle humans. And the $142 billion drug business goes beyond marijuana. Cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, and more are smuggle by these same groups.

Legalizing marijuana in the United States doesn’t solve the problem.

amerpundit on January 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM

What? Our good buddies down South — just ask Jorge Boosh — are in trouble, even after we have given them all that lovely money and allowed their undesirables to roam freely into the USA?

How can that be?

If our own government can be corrupted — as it has been; the downward slide will only accelerate under Osama Obama, how can we believe that graft-ridden, violence-prone, poverty-stricken country is not closer to epic failure?

And Obama wants to get that ol’ “comprehensive immigration reform” (a/k/a “let’s finish destroying America”) boondoggle underway, pronto.

Probably too late to build the wall. We’ll need every American soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect us from our own version of the Mongol Hordes.

MrScribbler on January 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Oh, it’s all right. I’m sure those good people will find some other country close by they can go to…

Tzetzes on January 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Where’s James Polk when you really need him? All we have left are wimps, morons and traitors.

progressoverpeace on January 14, 2009 at 7:26 PM

As a Texan (sadly not by birth), for me this means replacing Perry with a very very strong, dynamic, and bold candidate and I don’t think Hutchinson is it, should she run. Anyone have an idea for a replacement?

Weight of Glory on January 14, 2009 at 7:26 PM

MrScribbler on January 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Who needs a wall when you have a 30mm chain gun mounted to an Apache Longbow?

There are measures that can be taken that would bring border crossings from millions to zero very quickly … it just depends on how much collateral damage is acceptable to the public. Of course the answer to that is very little indeed.

apollyonbob on January 14, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Their primary source of income is oil, the price of which is falling off a cliff and production there is declining rapidly.

Their second source of income are all those checks the Mexicans in America send back home–with our economy diving, that’s declining rapidly.

Their third source of income is tourism–not safe there and our economy is diving.

Actually, if I read things correctly, remittances sent to Mexico by its citizens living in the U.S. outstripped the (declining) income from oil last year, and were almost $40 Billion in 2007. Also, Mexico’s massive oil reserves are nearly depleted, as well, and can be looked for to evaporate in the foreseeable future.

The continuing international embarrassment that is Mexico has allowed its richest citizens to strip the landscape of its national resources while encouraging virtually none of this income to be invested domestically. Unlike in the U.S., the vast majority of the oil recovered has been sold overseas, and none has been invested in infrastructure and industrialization. The United States in the interim has built the auto industry and its industrial support base – on the ropes now, I recognize, but in the 20th century the world standard, and the primary reason for America’s military invincibility.

I fear Mexico is much closer to the edge than is generally acknowledged, and the current narco-gangster emergence is really a symptom, rather than the cause, of the dangerous instability to our South.

warbaby on January 14, 2009 at 7:29 PM

The answer to every problem that you can’t totally stop isn’t to legalize it. Stopping terrorism is also costly and can’t totally be stopped. Time to legalize it. Stopping or investigating murder is costly and it can’t be completely stopped. Time to legalize it.

amerpundit on January 14, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Drugs kill the user in worst case, different story regarding terrorists.

Do learn from the Prohibition .

the_nile on January 14, 2009 at 7:31 PM

I fear Mexico is much closer to the edge than is generally acknowledged, and the current narco-gangster emergence is really a symptom, rather than the cause, of the dangerous instability to our South.

warbaby on January 14, 2009 at 7:29 PM

True , it’s harder for drugtrade to replace a god economy.

the_nile on January 14, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Mexico won’t collapse after bailing out the States that need it we will send trillions to Mexico and tell them that they wont have to pay us back. Then we will employ all their citizens and have higher unemployment than we do now.

Brat4life on January 14, 2009 at 7:35 PM

LEGALIZE IT

and end the demand for smuggled drugs from mexico in one swoop.

Xolom on January 14, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Maybe now we can asked La Raza for Mexicans to clean up their own country?

Seven Percent Solution on January 14, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Living here about 300 yards from Juarez (I can see it right out of my window here), It appears that there is movement by many Mexican professionals over here from across the border. Our neighborhood is full of professionals from Juarez and other towns in Chihuahua.
So far, there have been very few problems here from the narcotraficantes, but that may change. Actually, it has been very peaceful, strange to say.
However, many people we know in Juarez have seen bodies dumped outside their homes, and even in front of their kids’ schools.
A friend of ours, Beto O’Rourke, on the city council here proposed legalizing drugs to keep out the narcos, but the mayor killed that idea. Lou Dobbs spent a bit of time attacking Beto’s idea last week.
They are currently building “The Wall” along Paisano Street right on the border highway, twenty yards from Anapra, the toughest and deadliest colonia in Juarez. it is quite a sight to see!

TexasJew on January 14, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Hold on little brown people. The world will be saved in less than a week now. Once Obama takes power, all your problems will disappear.

highhopes on January 14, 2009 at 7:45 PM

And yet, some of the richest people/families are Mexican.

But for some under enforced antitrust laws go we.

For the majority of Mexico’s history America has had no use for the immoral corrupt mafia state to the south, only until Mexico became a commercial benefit and bleeding heart liberals did we forget that Mexico played footsie with our enemies during and between two world wars and has at every opportunity taken full advantage to the point of claiming sovereignty inside of our borders.

Speakup on January 14, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Mexico about to collapse?

LOL it collapsed a long time ago…

RedbonePro on January 14, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Fence? Anyone?

Bueller?

Cicero43 on January 14, 2009 at 7:50 PM

When I first read the headlines, I thought they were referring to California.

Zaire67 on January 14, 2009 at 7:50 PM

If you live on the border best to start packing inorder to protect U and your family. If you are hoping the One can protect you then U are sadly mistaken.

Dritanian on January 14, 2009 at 7:50 PM

TexasJew on January 14, 2009 at 7:39 PM

I was fortunate enough to move out of Hell Paso when I was 14. Still love to go back and visit family and old friends. It has been close to thirty years now and to my dismay my hometown has not progressed one bit. That city is so filled with corrupt Dems, it will never prosper.

LatinRed on January 14, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Mexico about to collapse?

LOL it collapsed a long time ago…

RedbonePro on January 14, 2009 at 7:48 PM

I think it is time to redefine ” collapse “.

DeweyWins on January 14, 2009 at 7:55 PM

That’s okay… we can invade Mexico now that a black guy is in charge. Before it would have been raaaaacist.

silverfox on January 14, 2009 at 7:57 PM

LatinRed on January 14, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Actually, we’re doing quite well and growing nicely with the expansion at Fort Bliss and the new proposed Texas Tech medical school.
The hospital there, Thomason (where our dsughter was born) has had a number of high-profile gunshot assassination victims from Juarez sent in, along with large police and Federal escorts, since in Juarez, these victims who are lucky enough to survive are often killed in the hospitals by the narcos to make sure that they don’t talk.
Lovely folks!

TexasJew on January 14, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Put a $100 bounty on every body NONEYA stopped from crossing the border ever posting to this site again – by any means necessary. Leave the carcasses there as a warning. I bet you’d have loads of volunteers taking vacations to patrol the border.

KSgop on January 14, 2009 at 7:14 PM

I wondered how long it would take before this board turned into a “kill all the mexicans” board….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM

BigWyo on January 14, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Looks like I am going to have to acelere my programa to send even more millones of my campesinos incultos del norte and bribe even more of your políticos work even harder to take over your country before mine becomes even more of a Dios contuvo la alcantarilla.

VinyFoxy on January 14, 2009 at 7:59 PM

And John now smoking marijuana legally in Kansas solves the problem of criminal gangs, kidnapping, and drug cartels fighting in Mexico how?

The answer to every problem that you can’t totally stop isn’t to legalize it. Stopping terrorism is also costly and can’t totally be stopped. Time to legalize it. Stopping or investigating murder is costly and it can’t be completely stopped. Time to legalize it.

amerpundit on January 14, 2009 at 7:19 PM

so now marijuana is akin to terrorism? such absurdity on this site. if we legalize it here, we can grow it, tax it, sell it, putting people to work and earning revenue for a harmless PLANT (far safer than booze) that i assume your god created for a good reason. the demand will fall, the cartels will make less $ and won’t have as much $ to bribe and buy influence. will it work for sure? no. is it a good first step? yes.

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 8:01 PM

BigWyo on January 14, 2009 at 7:59 PM

just lovely.

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM

How would the US protect itself from a warlord-ridden Mexico? We’d have to give serious consideration to arming the southern border to a far larger extent than any time in our history.

Everyone that I know , here in Texas, is already armed.

Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 8:05 PM

In fact, a failed Mexico would quickly become our primary national-security concern. Immigration issues would become secondary, at best.

A failing Mexico has already made mass illegal migration from Mexico to the United States a primary problem. If Mexico fails completely it would make the likely resultant even greater mass illegal migration the biggest primary “issue” we have ever had.

MB4 on January 14, 2009 at 8:05 PM

I wondered how long it would take before this board turned into a “kill all the mexicans” board….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM

What do u expect. just all freaking whties and jews here. my people would rape the women and children first. dumbasses.

JiangxiDad on January 14, 2009 at 8:07 PM

I wondered how long it would take before this board turned into a “kill all the mexicans” board….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM

I wondered how long it would take before this board turned into a “legalize marijuana” board….

Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Thanks…

But on the bright side, I’m $100 to the good.

BigWyo on January 14, 2009 at 8:14 PM

BigWyo on January 14, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Ummm…

JiangxiDad on January 14, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Uhhh…

I think I’m just going to go sit this post out from here on out.

*walks away wide-eyed*

MadisonConservative on January 14, 2009 at 8:14 PM

TexasJew on January 14, 2009 at 7:58 PM

I pray that the horrific actions that are occuring in Juarez stay on that side. Stay safe my friend.

LatinRed on January 14, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Wait…

I shoulda took the corpses part out as well….I was a bit hasty….

Really….that was bad on my part.

BigWyo on January 14, 2009 at 8:17 PM

What do u expect. just all freaking whties and jews here. my people would rape the women and children first. dumbasses.

JiangxiDad on January 14, 2009 at 8:07 PM

wtf?

I hate to remind you, but the people killed by the narcos are usually just ordinary decent hardworking people, and even little kids have been shot by those animals. You will never find more decent people than the people that are cruelly victimized by those animals – peaceful Mennonites from the interior of Chihuahua, shopowners who won’t pay them off, little kids in front of their mothers, bodies dumped in a schoolyard during recess, doctors who have saved the lives of other victims.
Almost 1600 last year alone….

TexasJew on January 14, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Put a $100 bounty on every body stopped from crossing the border – by any means necessary.

KSgop on January 14, 2009 at 7:14 PM

I wondered how long it would take before this board turned into a “kill all the mexicans” board….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM

So you are saying that all Mexicans are going to be crossing illegal into the United States. Wow! It’s even worse than I thought.

MB4 on January 14, 2009 at 8:18 PM

MB4 on January 14, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Heh.

progressoverpeace on January 14, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Why do liberals only mention God, when it is to promote a liberal idea.

Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Those of us in Southern California have been screaming about this for years……….

…………. glad the Feds are paying attention,

…………………….. now that it’s too late.

Seven Percent Solution on January 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM

My brother lives in Southern, Ca. They have been very worried. Violence there is bad also with gangs. We should have been taking care of the Border many years ago. But the stupid Liberal’s think it is a joke. We need to do something now before it is to late. I use to go to Mexico, La Paz was my favorite place to go. Not any more. It is dangerous there. Even for the Mexican People.

sheebe on January 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM

wtf?

noneyatroll accused the commenters here of using chaos in Mexico as a happy excuse to murder all mexicans. i merely reminded him that some of us saw even more opportunities before we commit the actual murders.

JiangxiDad on January 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM

We’d have to give serious consideration to arming the southern border

First, the fence has to be built. barry wants to make jobs? Here is a way the republicans can help barry create some jobs. Put the job in the hands of the governors of each border state and give them a deadline. They want to ensure they get reelected? Create jobs in your state and make your citizens safer and you will get reelected and be on the national stage to boot. Second, every state national guard owns property, usually fairly valuable property. Either sell the property and buy land on the border with the proceeds or trade the land. Then build national guard bases along the border and they can do their weekend training in the desert (where most wars will be fought for the next 100 years)and guard the border at the same time. Wouldn’t hurt the federal government to buy some border land and establish some bases either.

peacenprosperity on January 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM

We’ll need every American soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect us from our own version of the Mongol Hordes.

MrScribbler on January 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Looks like the cobbler’s children are going to be the last shod, if shod at all.

MB4 on January 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM

I pray that the horrific actions that are occuring in Juarez stay on that side. Stay safe my friend.

LatinRed on January 14, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Thanks! But it’s quite safe here. We live in the Upper Rio Grande Valley – next to New Mexico and Mt. Cristo Rey.
Pray for the poor Juarenses – they are being brutalized – many shot like dogs just for a laugh. Thousands of young women raped and murdered, just in the last ten years.
We’re taking care of business here, and so far so good.

TexasJew on January 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM

I hate to remind you, but the people killed by the narcos are usually just ordinary decent hardworking people, and even little kids have been shot by those animals. You will never find more decent people than the people that are cruelly victimized by those animals – peaceful Mennonites from the interior of Chihuahua, shopowners who won’t pay them off, little kids in front of their mothers, bodies dumped in a schoolyard during recess, doctors who have saved the lives of other victims.
Almost 1600 last year alone….

TexasJew on January 14, 2009 at 8:18 PM

That is true. I loved the people down there. They treated you like family, and you felt comfortable. They work their asses off for nothing. Only being afraid of being killed. Not all of them are bad, and they are not bad to want a better life. I would like them to do it legally. But that takes years. Sad.

sheebe on January 14, 2009 at 8:27 PM

I have said for years now we should annex Mexico. It makes more sense now than ever. They have oil and lavish resorts as resources. No one would disagree their people are hard working.

By doing it we would be proactive. As it’s going Southern California is being annexed by Mexico.

If you have been there lately you know what I mean.

In Central California Fresno and Madera County schools teach to a student body close to 75% Hispanic. Who can blame Mexicans for leaving Mexico? Drug wars and pervasive violence is is a way of life there. The police and government is powerless to confront the cartels.

Almost to a person the Mexicans I come in contact with would rather live in Mexico. Nearly all the Mexicans I know intend to retire, when possible to their home country.

I say take it, call it a humanitarian campaign.

FireBlogger on January 14, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Why do liberals only mention God, when it is to promote a liberal idea.

Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Because liberals only real God is liberalism.

For example, Catholic liberals essentially ignore every tenet of their faith to support a filthy bastard like Obama (and then get indignent when questioned how they can reconcile their voting for a man who worked to ensure no aid and comfort to aborted but still living children). There is absolutely no way that you can be a good Catholic and an Obama supporter. You are one or the other but not both.

So, when you hear a filthy bastard like Obama talking about God blessing America know that it is merely a rhetorical device. Obama’s God is not the God of our forefathers or of Christians. It is the secular humanist generic God of the faithless.

highhopes on January 14, 2009 at 8:30 PM

It’s pretty bad here in southern Arizona, the wets are destroying the pristine desert with their trash they throw down on their trip norte and the taxpayers are left to pick up the tab. Tucson has been declared a sanctuary city and there is little to no enforcement for illegals. When I go mountain biking in the Santa Rita mountains I see groups of wets humping packs full of God knows what and a call to the Border Patrol results in nothing. I always pack mr. glock when I’m out there, and it’s going to get alot worse as their pos country tanks. I think we should annex them before they trojan horse us. Damn shame cuz Mex is a beautiful country, except for the border cities. While getting rid of Napolitano is a blessing for Arizona, the amount of damage she and mmmmm, the one are going to bring with open borders and amnesty is disgraceful.

GlocknRoll on January 14, 2009 at 8:32 PM

How would the US protect itself from a warlord-ridden Mexico?

Not with a border fence, that’s for sure. The locals down in this region don’t want the border fence. Why?

Apparently we don’t need it, even though the violence has already begun spilling over in a series of fires related to the ongoing drug territory war. It’s been kept hush hush, but it’s happening.

The scariest part is how naive people actually are. There was a woman who went to Juarez for something and was killed in the battle, as was expected. And everyone is outraged and surprised that she was murdered in cold blood in Juarez, a hot zone, an LZ. Let me tell you, the climate down here is not always pretty and people are not understanding the scope and potential catastrophe this city would endure if it comes over.

LindsayK on January 14, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Mexico has been near falling apart for a long time. Heck, we had to bail them out during the Clinton years.

I say we take Cooper Canyon and Baja!

Mr. Joe on January 14, 2009 at 8:39 PM

wondered how long it would take before this board turned into a “kill all the mexicans” board….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM

You are too ignorant on this issue! Stop right now before I am forced to slap you upside the head!

Texas Jew and LatinRed :

I live a little farther “inland” than El Paso, but the fear factor in my city is getting raised almost everyday. And yet, these dumsh*ts in DC think that we can build a wall along the entire Rio Grande and keep people out. There are alot of good hard working land owners – ranchers and such along our southern borders that daily have to deal with this crap. Our border patrol is understaffed, undertrained and not paid enough to attract the type of personnel needed to do the job. This is a very hot topic with me because I have friends with family still living in Mexico (by the way these are not wetbacks, but educated people who LEGALLY immigrated one to three generations ago, but still have cousins in Mexico) that routinely tell me horror stories of their families. You can’t drive a new car in some towns, the drug cartels will kill you for it, or kidnap you for ransom.

I am in support our military efforts around the globe, but charity, or in this case peacekeeping and defense, STARTS AT HOME.

All you damn yankees who are so cozy up in your neck of the woods thinking “so what?” had better wake up fast. When these cartels start really going (and they are about to, after the One’s in office) you will feel the pain.

I have already started arming myself, because out here, we don’t wait for INS to show up. We defend ourselves.

catlady on January 14, 2009 at 8:41 PM

I say we take Cooper Canyon and Baja!

Mr. Joe on January 14, 2009 at 8:39 PM

How about Los Angeles? Shouldn’t we take that too?

MB4 on January 14, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Put a $100 bounty on every body stopped from crossing the border – by any means necessary. Leave the carcasses there as a warning. I bet you’d have loads of volunteers taking vacations to patrol the border.

KSgop on January 14, 2009 at 7:14 PM

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on January 14, 2009 at 8:48 PM

And yet, these dumsh*ts in DC think that we can build a wall along the entire Rio Grande and keep people out.

There does not seem to be much interest at all in DC in actually building a wall.

There are alot of good hard working land owners – ranchers and such along our southern borders that daily have to deal with this crap.

catlady on January 14, 2009 at 8:41 PM

And if any of those “good hard working land owners – ranchers and such” are employing illegals then they need to take a good long look in the mirror and then cease and desists being anti-American.

MB4 on January 14, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Sheebe –

I appreciate your statement about not going into Mexico anymore, which is really a shame. My husband won’t even let us travel to the resort towns on the Gulf Coast (like Cancun) because of what we have either seen or had first hand accounts of.

I know that you people out there not living this think I am wonderfully paranoid, but better safe than dead, and believe me these cartels are not fooling around. They understand how to use violence as an intimidation factor, unlike us wimpy Americans who whine about waterboarding. Geez, people get real. War is about winning and not about being popular. I dont give a sh*t whether other countries like us, I just want them to be damn afraid of us.

We are seeing a rise of “drug related” deaths that is truly alarming. People being shot, then burned – just lovely.

catlady on January 14, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Along the border. Ha! What border. After a bunch of southern towns are overrun maybe oBambi will do something like defend the border.

Mojave Mark on January 14, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Mojave Mark on January 14, 2009 at 8:53 PM

The Precedent-Elect doesn’t believe in borders.

progressoverpeace on January 14, 2009 at 8:54 PM

MB4 on January 14, 2009 at 8:51 PM

You are spot on, my friend. It does take two to tango, and that is definitely a major issue. But there are those who don’t hire illegals and that is what makes me hot.

I like the idea of getting a bounty and leaving the carcasses, but only of the drug cartel personnel. It would only be what they are doing down here now.

catlady on January 14, 2009 at 8:55 PM

LindsayK on January 14, 2009 at 8:37 PM

I’m not aware of an uptick in violence over here, although I’m sure that some of that will occur.
They are building that border fence along Paisano right now, between Executive and UTEP, and it will swing along rught along the old Hacienda restaurant. But that is not where the real problem will happen. It will be in the Lower Valley, on the East Side and in the gang areas.
When they started killing in the safe communities in Juarez, the Juarenses fled to the safer gated communities in droves and simply commute to their day jobs in Juarez over the bridge. Both father and son owners of Ajuuas’ = the number one restaurant in Juarez – lived over here in my neighborhood, were lured over to their business and were shot dead. Insufficient bribe payments.

TexasJew on January 14, 2009 at 8:57 PM

And John now smoking marijuana legally in Kansas solves the problem of criminal gangs, kidnapping, and drug cartels fighting in Mexico how?

The answer to every problem that you can’t totally stop isn’t to legalize it. Stopping terrorism is also costly and can’t totally be stopped. Time to legalize it. Stopping or investigating murder is costly and it can’t be completely stopped. Time to legalize it.

amerpundit on January 14, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Amerpundit, like most conservatives, does not believe in the concept of individual rights. Murder and terrorism is a violation of the rights of some individuals by other individuals, and it is the legitimate function of a legitimate government to prevent or to punish such actions, as the perpetrators forfeit their own rights. Drug use is not a violation of the rights of anyone, and thus it is the government that violates the rights of drug users when it arrests them.

As always, conservatives are just as willing as progressives to do away with freedom and individual rights when their pet causes dictate. (McCain-Feingold, anyone?)

hicsuget on January 14, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Mojave Mark on January 14, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Don’t count on it. That man is so whipped by his wife and mom in law, he doesn’t have the balls needed to fix this problem.

catlady on January 14, 2009 at 8:58 PM

what they need is a bailout… that’ll fix it.

Kaptain Amerika on January 14, 2009 at 9:00 PM

hicsuget on January 14, 2009 at 8:58 PM

I think amerpundit was being sarcastic, you bleeding liberal commie pinko freak!

catlady on January 14, 2009 at 9:03 PM

yet another unintended consquence of governmental policy. the Drug war waged by the gov on its people has come to this. the politicians don’t care if we win it looks good on TV and it gets them vote to be strong law enforcment but then they fail to secure the border they allow free flow of drugs and try to fight the war in another country with this result.

Legalize drugs, regulate them, make the ATF the ATFD and make penalties high very very high for anyone selling to children and let the rest of the people decide on their own of they want to ruin their lives or not.

unseen on January 14, 2009 at 9:03 PM

hicsuget on January 14, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Whoa Dude!!..You should, like, run for office…or something.

I would so totally vote for you.

BigWyo on January 14, 2009 at 9:05 PM

If Mexico falls I think I would support an effort to bring law and order there but only if the people of Mexico approve and under the condition that it becomes a U.S. territory. Immigration should still be restricted until statehood is obtained, IMO, (I’m not sure how that usually works), but with statehood comes full citizenship. Once a reasonable degree of law and order is established, the illegal aliens in the US, by returning to Mexico and improving it, thus speeding it’s path toward statehood, could then win citizenship in an honest fashion.

Statehood should only be granted once Mexico is stable and prosperous enough that most people will be inclined to stay there after they become citizens.

It would sure be a lot easier to defend our new southern border, too.

FloatingRock on January 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM

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