it’s hard to argue he did not mean to kill when he shot the man.

anna on January 16, 2009 at 2:11 AM

Not really. I think it’s hard to argue that he meant to kill him, in front of all those witnesses, with cell phone cameras, not to mention his own coworkers.

Again, I am only saying that I do not think that the officer dilberately murdered the man. I think that the officer was grossly negligent.

Johan Klaus on January 15, 2009 at 11:36 PM

That may be, but that really has nothing to do with the other case you mentioned.

Again, I am only saying that I do not think that the officer dilberately murdered the man. I think that the officer was grossly negligent.

Johan Klaus on January 15, 2009 at 11:36 PM

gross negligence is related to torts not criminal law (at least in ny). it’s hard to argue he did not mean to kill when he shot the man.

Surely you can see how those are two different cases. No matter how you look at it, Oscar was unarmed and was currently being held down by three other offices, none of whom decided they were in any danger. The other officers standing nearby didn’t either.

Esthier on January 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Again, I am only saying that I do not think that the officer dilberately murdered the man. I think that the officer was grossly negligent.

Note how several commenters are disgusted with the rioters…

i’ve never thrown anything at them, but yes they are a disgrace- the equivalent of jewish nazis….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 6:43 PM

And seriously, you’ve just written the equivalent of throwing an Oreo at a black Republican. The fact that you’re doing in anonymously instead of to someone’s face only makes you a coward.

You guys have a token Indian and the token asian (who got nearly zero support from the national party) who got dollar bill’s seat, it hardly makes you guys the picture of diversity.

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 6:42 PM

Are you serious? Of course you are, but I ask anyway.

For Republicans it’s tokens, but for the Democrats it’s not because they have one extra? So, what, three minorities and they’re no longer tokens?

But I guess it doesn’t matter, because of what you say later…

but yes they are a disgrace- the equivalent of jewish nazis….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 6:43 PM

So blacks can only think one way or else they’re Jewish Nazis? That’s extremely racist.

I feel sure that if that cameraman had not documented what occured, then there would have hell to pay.

Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Surely you can see how those are two different cases. No matter how you look at it, Oscar was unarmed and was currently being held down by three other offices, none of whom decided they were in any danger. The other officers standing nearby didn’t either.

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 6:43 PM

There is no such thing as a Jewish Nazi but there is such a thing as an Islamic Savage, especially the hamas variety.

abcurtis on January 15, 2009 at 7:19 AM

Wow, that was one of the best posts I have ever read!

Excellent, I just wish the Republican party would expose this crap to the ignorant masses in such a way as to educate and inform about whom the far left in America really are… Racisits and anti-American.

Is it really that hard to admit the obvious fact that the problem for Burris being seated that Burris was appointed by a corrupt governor? To look for racism here is be on the level of a 9/11 truther or someone concerned about Obama’s birth certificate.

thuja -

I think that you’re missing the point that both Rob and Johan are trying to make. Neither of them, I believe, is really arguing that racism amongst the white Dem leadership is what drove Dems to initially refuse to seat Burris. The point they’re attempting to make is that if the parties were reversed; and it were white Republican leadership refusing to seat a black appointee; then no amount of extenuating circumstances (i.e. appointed by a corrupt governor, ate a live human baby on television) would get in the way of Leftists claiming that it was racism.

It’s about perception vs. reality. The Leftists who have gained absolute control over Western cultural institutions and information streams (education, entertainment, and news media) have spent the past 40+ years pushing certain memes onto the citizenry until we arrive at where we are now as a civilization: filled with people for whom “feelings” and “consciousness” are more important than facts, reason, and reality. For a perfect illustration, look no further than the abject ignorance on display in Noneya’s statement that black Republicans are the equivalent of Jewish Nazis.

KPIX-TV reported Grant had a criminal record and served time at state prison in 2007 and 2008 and was involved in twelve cases between April 2004 and May 2008.[26] Grant, who had also been convicted of drug dealing, had been sentenced to 16 months in state prison in 2007 after he fled from a traffic stop while armed with a loaded pistol.[21] Grant was most recently released from prison September 23, corrections officials said. Any other convictions (before 2004) are not public record since Grant was a minor at that time.

max1 on January 14, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Well this is one way to end:

Multiple Repeat Offenders

Prison Overcrowding

Career Criminals

Long Costly Trials

Liberal Justice (soft on crime)

i’ve never thrown anything at them, but yes they are a disgrace- the equivalent of jewish nazis….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Wow.

Congratulations.

You’re officially a cartoon.

A caricature.

A leftist stereotype.

Because I can’t imagine any reasonable, thoughtful, intelligent person interested in debate saying something like this.

You pull out crap like this, and yet you still have the market cornered on “tolerance.”

The world you live in is an amazing one indeed.

I just watched a video of a police officer confronting a gunman who was holding a rifle. The officer had his weapon drawn and he was demanding that gunman drop the rifle. The gunman started to lower the rifle to the ground, when another officer rounded the corner and shot the gunman in the back. I was startled and I thought that the officer nad murdered the gunman. As the newsman zoomed in on the gunman, I could see an automatic weapon, that gunman had removed from his back pocket with his free hand. I feel sure that if that cameraman had not documented what occured, then there would have hell to pay.

Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Great, but your story has nothing what-so-ever to do with this story.

Oscar Grant was unarmed, proven, admitted by BART and every elected official in the area.

Mehserle a dishonest – dishonorable coward, he should have come forward.

He chose to listen to bad advice.

Would you have the same opinion if the republicans were the ones trying to keep Burris from being seated.

Johan Klaus on January 15, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Is it really that hard to admit the obvious fact that the problem for Burris being seated that Burris was appointed by a corrupt governor? To look for racism here is be on the level of a 9/11 truther or someone concerned about Obama’s birth certificate. I mean who shot JFK? And aren’t those Protocols of the Elders of Zion factual?

thuja on January 15, 2009 at 12:18 AM

Would you have the same opinion if the republicans were the ones trying to keep Burris from being seated.

What in God’s name is a Jewish nazi??

AprilOrit on January 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM

I get accused of being a Jewish Nazi all the time, but the accusers know very little about the meaning of the word “Nazi”. In practice, I think “Jewish Nazi” means a Jew interested in self-preservation.

I’m Bi-racial just like Obama (except my family is made up of actual Black folk, not some guy from Kenya that you and I both know probably wasn’t big on Black folk) and I know many Black Republicans. But riddle me this noneya, who was blocking Burris from his seat? How many Black folk are in power in the DNC?

Rob Taylor on January 14, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Rob, you have complete contempt. It’s not DNC racism why Burris is being blocked and we all know this. There are good arguments for Democratic racism and you spew the most stupid, pathetic non-reason possible. You do as much harm to reasonable about ideas about race in this country as Ted Kennedy.

Incredibly moronic or insane arguments for true propositions do not help establish the truth of a proposition. They in fact hurt the cause of truth.

Given that the man who was shot had two weapons, I don’t see much of a parallel with this case. It would be different if the guy who was shot went for a weapon that we can’t see in the video, but that wasn’t what happened.

Hollowpoint on January 14, 2009 at 10:51 PM

I am just saying that if I had not seen the zoom in, that I would have had a completely different opinion of what I had seen. The first time that I saw the Rodney King video, I thought that police were completely in the wrong. When I saw the entire video, it changed my mind.
These videos are not very clear and from what I can see, I think that the officer is clearly in the wrong, but it is hard to believe that he pulled his weapon with the intent to murder the man. I do believe that it was gross negligence.

libs are racist because they just nominated and elected a black president? okaaaayyy…. let me ask you what is the percentage of GOP lawmakers that are black?

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 4:02 PM

You ignorant liberal jackass. The smart conservative blacks are out there living their lives as conservatives do. Those black leftist lawmakers you are so proud of are professional race baiters who enslave minorities with socialism in order to line their pockets with tax payer money.

I feel sure that if that cameraman had not documented what occured, then there would have hell to pay.

Johan Klaus on January 14, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Given that the man who was shot had two weapons, I don’t see much of a parallel with this case. It would be different if the guy who was shot went for a weapon that we can’t see in the video, but that wasn’t what happened.

Really? I mean the guy’s pinned down by several officers with no weapon.

Esthier on January 14, 2009 at 5:21 PM

I just watched a video of a police officer confronting a gunman who was holding a rifle. The officer had his weapon drawn and he was demanding that gunman drop the rifle. The gunman started to lower the rifle to the ground, when another officer rounded the corner and shot the gunman in the back. I was startled and I thought that the officer nad murdered the gunman. As the newsman zoomed in on the gunman, I could see an automatic weapon, that gunman had removed from his back pocket with his free hand. I feel sure that if that cameraman had not documented what occured, then there would have hell to pay.

right2bright on January 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM

What in God’s name is a Jewish nazi??

God save our country.

warbaby on January 14, 2009 at 7:09 PM

You mean – God save our country from:

1). those who wear the badge and feel they are above the law

2). those who excuse their behavior

i’ve never thrown anything at them, but yes they are a disgrace- the equivalent of jewish nazis….

Noneya on January 14, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Woah. That was dumb.