The Blago awards?
posted at 8:42 am on January 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Andrew Malcolm reports from the &^%$ing Golden Globes award ceremony last night, or perhaps the Rod Blagojevich Special, as it turns out, on the peculiar strain of language employed for a televised event. Instead of classy acceptance speeches fit for prime-time network broadcast, the winners of the awards instead indulged themselves in vocabulary that might have made Tony Soprano blush, at least around his family:
As our LATimes.com colleagues Rachel Abramovitz and Tom O’Neil note elsewhere on this site and elsewhere here, this year’s Golden Globe Awards by the Hollywood Foreign Press Assn. had acceptance speeches that were full of words like $%&*(=^ and f!$*&-+. Also, balls, suck and suck it. So if you were among a majority of Americans who didn’t watch it, you might have missed something.
Apparently, some were surprised by the profanity production of the culture crowd.
But clearly the actors have been studying Illinois Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who was caught on FBI wiretaps and not quoted publicly by that bleeping federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. This was after Blago’s December arrest for, among other things, allegedly auctioning off his “<<&*%$# golden” nomination to fill the vacant Senate seat of President-elect Barack Obama, who’ll be inaugurated in just 8 days.
Mickey Rourke attained the evening’s height of wit by discussing “balls” in detail, and having his friend, director Darren Arenofsky, flip him the bird while on camera. Tina Fey told three of her critics on the Internet to “suck it”. And those were the printable quotes from Hollywood last night.
“What’s the big deal?” some will ask, and perhaps with some justification. After all, most of use the exact same language in certain contexts. I’ll be the first to admit that I swear like a longshoreman while driving in traffic, to the amusement of the First Mate, apparently a trait I got from the Admiral Emeritus. If we all use this language, why get so uptight about it on television?
The difference is context. There is a time and a place for everything, and prime-time television is the time and place to put one’s best foot forward. Repeating the words “suck” and “balls” repetitively does not cast one in a particularly good light; in fact, it makes it look like such words form an altogether unhealthily high percentage of one’s total vocabulary. Even middle-schoolers know better than to spew such language publicly, for Pete’s sake. One might think that overindulged millionaires making their living in the public square would have been bright enough to at least understand that much.
We can laugh at Rod Blagojevich, but even the notoriously stupid Illinois governor knew better to talk like that at public events. He and his lovely wife Gus — er, Patty — had to get wiretapped to be caught dropping effenheimers. Hollywood stars only need a camera and some phony awards ceremony that makes them think they’re something a wee bit more special than they really are. Which of the these are the idiots?
Here’s a handy hint: If you have to wear your tuxedo or formal evening gown — or if you have to spend more than $100 to get dressed for an event — keep your balls in your pants and keep the suck in your vacuum cleaner.
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Never said that, but you clearly can’t view me as an individual. Hardly surprising from someone who claims dibs on originality.
Seriously, half the people on that list are libertarians who happen to vote Republican, like Drew Carry or not actors, like Heidi, and the vast majority are completely D-list, with maybe seven exceptions, only three or four of whom have even done anything recently. Some of them are only considered Republican based on one statement they made that was taken out of context with nothing else to back it up.
If you think those people have an impact in Hollywood, then you must not have been to a movie in over a decade.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 6:33 PM
NO ONE IS SAYING THEIR RIGHTS TO FREE SPEECH SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY. HOW IS IT THAT YOU STILL DON’T GET THAT?
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Honestly, April, as much as you whine about Coulter (in the exact same manner as the whining here about crass Hollywood), you’d think this would be an easy concept for you.
Expressing our right to free speech in saying those people have no class is not at all trying to deny others a right to free speech.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 6:40 PM
We change the channel if we don’t like it, as you’ve been preaching all day.
Knucklehead on January 12, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Use of formal, respectful language is a choice rooted less in how you want others to be treated and more in how much dignity you wish project. Vulgar adults are self-selected poster-children for Arrested Development.
Mark30339 on January 12, 2009 at 7:19 PM
I was on the northbound 405 yesterday afternoon and got stuck in the Golden Globe Traffic around Wilshire. Yep, these hollyweird types are really annoying…especially when they cause a jam-up trying to get to their glitzy awards show that no one outside of hollyweird cares about….
jbh45 on January 12, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Exactly, but most here do not agree with this concept.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Au contraire, April. All of us know how to change the channel. That is why MSNBC has very few viewers. The point everyone has been trying to make is this: On a TV network broadcast nationally via the public airwaves (non-subscription), there was no reason for these “celebrities” to be as vulgar as a bunch of drunk teenagers. There is no excuse for their immaturity and irresponsibility, except their own lack of vocabulary and common sense. This is not a diatribe against Free Speech, but rather an advocation for Self-Control.
kingsjester on January 12, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Neither do you when Coulter is on TV. It’s ridiculous that you pretend otherwise.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Oh I own several. What have they done?
Why? Because they decided to play a provactive role to hon their craft – their way of making a living?
I am sorry but unlike Coulter they are not, while playing a role, attacking the general public, singling out general individuals – blanketing them under one umbrella called Conservative – to smear and destroy.
Do you really believe most of them write the movies they star in? They are playing a part – it’s called acting.
Clint Eastwood and Mel Gibson, another two I forgot to mention, are A listers, and they usually star in their own screenplays or collaborations. I mean really – Clint thought you guys had flipped your lids over Million Dollar Baby. That whole concept of pushing euthanasia came out of Michael Medved’s wild mind, not Clint’s or in the mind of Paul Haggis who wrote the screenplay. Eastwood were flabbergasted, as it was not their intentions to project an agenda at all, or affend Conservatives.
Just because you are a social conservative who may not agree with the plot line does not warrant attacking them for doing their job. Sometimes this assuming that Hollywood is doing something sinister with regard to our culture is just silly. There is no credible evidence.
Ann Coulter on the other hand has an agenda. Her main premise is to affend her victims and adversaries from the get go.
But you are not just saying they have no class, you are attacking them for no concrete valid reason other than the fact that you are personally offended by the fact that they are working and choosing roles that you find offensive; all of this unbeknownst to them.
They have not attacked you, they have not singled you out at all.
You are calling them names, wishing them ill will and hostility. You are ripping up a show you didn’t even see.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 8:15 PM
It’s not free speech, it’s talking dirty and it’s base. Turn it off before it turns Esther on.
JAW on January 12, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Yup April…that’s about the crux of it. Folks like esthier operate out of their fundamentalist playbook. Everything’s black and white, and those who don’t subscribe to their version of “The Truth” are to be dismissed and vilified.
dakine on January 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM
I do not go out of my way to watch her, I watched her the last time on the video that Allah posted.
If she comes on with O’Reilly, as she will shortly – I block her out. I did not tune in to see her, and when she was on The View today I watch her get surly with Elizabeth and flipped the channel.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 8:23 PM
And they could easily write –
I was on the
northbound 405George Washington Parkway yesterday afternoon and got stuck in theGolden GlobeCPAC Traffic aroundWilshireIndependence Drive. Yep, thesehollyweirdwingnut types are really annoying…especially when they cause a jam-up trying to get to theirglitzy awards showsilly Conservative Convention that no one outside ofhollyweirdthe Beltway cares about….jbh45 on January 12, 2009 at 7:27 PM
But if you notice – they haven’t and they probably won’t.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 8:45 PM
If you think I’m complaining about the roles they take, then you’re not reading my responses to you.
Actually they do in their spare time. Surely you’ve noticed.
Actually, you mentioned Clint, but Mel is no longer an A-lister.
They haven’t attacked me? Seriously? I’m calling BS on your claim to own a TV. Have you never seen these people interviewed? They make Coulter look like an angel who would never think of insulting someone based on political opinion
This election cycle alone saw some of the most vile things I’ve ever heard aimed specifically at anyone with an R any where near their name.
Why do I bother. You’re not reading what I type. I never once trashed this show. I explained as much in the same post where I admitted that I never watched this.
I don’t care one bit about this show. Though I already mentioned that I was glad Mickey got recognized.
It’s not about their acting, April. How many times do I have to say that before you get that I’ve already said it several times?
You’re certainly one to talk. You continue to misrepresent my views and come here to repeat yourself again and again.
Then you call me a parrot. The humor isn’t lost on me.
But you certainly complain about her every time she’s on, in the exact same way I was complaining here.
That you fail to see that it’s the same, is your problem, not mine.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Yes, they do, on a very regular basis. You’re certainly not helping your argument by proving your ignorance on the subject.
A Google search of random right-leaning people near Hollywood, certainly doesn’t help your case.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 8:59 PM
esthier, you’re simply too dense to understand the point being made to you.
dakine on January 12, 2009 at 9:35 PM
–some of the others during the Jan-Feb season
The Independent Spirit Awards
Directors Guild Awards
Producers Guild Awards
Critics Choice Awards
There are others during the year like the MTV Movie Awards but the big film award shows happen during the first two months of the year.
dedalus on January 12, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Only in Tina Fey’s dreams.
ddrintn on January 12, 2009 at 9:57 PM
And once again, you’re calling me stupid. You’ve got nothing, and what amusing is that you seem to not realize it. Maybe you’re just angry because your wife calls the shots in the marriage and this is your chance to take some anger out on an anonymous forum. I don’t care either way.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Look Esthier – you are not getting my point.
My point is this – Ann Coulter’s whole act or whatever you want to call it – she says she wants to be recognized as a satirist – is very mean spirited and nasty against half of the country – the Liberals.
I do not see this from Hollywood. They may disagree with Sarah Palin and George Bush and the war, some of them on an individual basis voicing their difference of opinion as American citizens, but there are Republicans who also disagree with Palin, Bush and the war.
I am not seeing Hollywood as some evil vast left Wing Conspiracy hell bent on destroying America and Americans using the magic of movie roles to demean and slander half of the country.
If that was seriously the case and their intention on a whole – we would not have seen all of these family flicks come out over the last few years like The Incredibles, Toy Story, Cars, Kung Fu Panda, Madagascar, Bolt, WallyE, Monster House, Over the Hedge, Space Monkeys, The Ant Bully, Bee Movie; they wouldn’t care about the family and wouldn’t bother marketing films geared towards the family unit as a whole – at all.
Nor would they market films about America’s noble causes like Flags of Our Fathers or Letters from Iwo Jima or Saving Private Ryan or TV shows like Band of Brothers or 24. Or the films about 9/11 and the bravery of those who were direct victims, or Marley and Me. We wouldn’t have all of the cops/law enforcement shows that we have like CSINY with Gary Sinise or CSI with David Caruso or JAG and NCIS with Mark Harmon.
It would be a steady conveyor belt of pornography and Left Wing garbage, and it just isn’t. We do not have shows about Cindy Sheehan characters or Medea Benjamin characters.
SAG, Aftra and the Directors and the Producers Guild in the majority are just not standing up in unison and telling Conservative America to shove it at all.
They are not making movie depicting all of Middle America as ignorant hillbillies guilty of ignorance in action.
I think you have some of Hollywood or all of it – confused with the press.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Now whay are you smearing his marriage to make your point?
And how do you even know if dakine is married, male and henpecked?
Again you are fighting dirty. You are putting a nasty childish smear out there to beat him/her in submission – by using their spouse or the lack there of – so they will not challenge you.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Because I read, April. He said he was forced to watch this show by his wife.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Which I’ve conceded. I even compared her to Michael Moore earlier.
Then you’re not paying attention. They came out in droves this election and said things that would make Coulter blush.
Neither do I. I said again and again that that wasn’t my issue. Do you think I’m lying?
No, the characterization you’ve made of me might, but I suffer from no such delusions.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 10:34 PM
But you have to admit – that was below the belt – using someone’s spouse and marriage as a weapon to humiliate.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Maybe so, but it’s hard to understand where the belt is when repeatedly calling someone stupid isn’t considered below it.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Great post April…spot on.
esthier, you’re really sort of silly. The wife made my watch thing was intended to be sort of a joke. I enjoy movies and TV and my wife is in the industry, so I wanted to watch the show. I will say, however, that my 4 boys and I try to live by the rule that if momma’s happy, then everybody’s happy. Ad hominem attacks are pretty lame, I will admit, but you really have proved yourself here to be fairly thick.
dakine on January 12, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Whoa – wait a minute. They were speaking as American citizens about how they felt politically, which they are allowed to do. So you are saying – because they are actors they are not allowed to express their political opinion in street clothes?
And what exactly do you hear and from whom?
No, I am not accusing you of anything.
Originally you used the arguement comparing Ann Coulter’s attacks and what she writes in her books – smearing Liberals, RINOS or anyone who disagree with her to a Hollywood actor merely playing a part – using their job – honing their craft – acting in a movie – attending an awards ceremony – that their primary purpose and only intention in doing so is/was purely to offend Conservative America.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 10:53 PM
And yet you engage in them in lue of an actual argument.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Come on, April. I’ve said time and again that this isn’t about censorship. Just because I think they lack class and put that fully on display when they speak, it doesn’t mean I think someone should take their rights away.
Can this be the final time I have to spell that out? Please.
I only said that they’ve said things just as bad and many things much worse than Coulter. These are just facts.
No. Not at all. Not even slightly. In fact, I’ve said multiple times that that was never my argument, not even in the slightest.
I don’t know how many other ways I can say that. This was never about their jobs. Never. Not at all. Not even in the slightest.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 11:04 PM
OK, I thought that is what you were implying.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 11:10 PM
No, I’m fine with them talking as much as they want. Sometimes I think it’s actually helpful to our side.
But that doesn’t mean I don’t have criticisms for them when they do speak. That’s really all this was about.
And as to the movies they make, I don’t watch the ones I don’t like. Many people seem to agree with me and similarly abandon those films. I have to admit that I enjoy seeing those films bomb, but I would not choose to live in a country where they couldn’t be made or where actors were made to be ostracized based on the roles they chose.
And I may have been wrong in insulting dakine’s manhood, using his wife to illustrate my point, but I did so thinking the discourse had already been lowered to that point, not believing I was the one who brought it there.
I hope that clears everything up.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 11:16 PM
esthier, I’ve made several arguments, as has April. You simple choose to ignore them because they run counter to your uninformed and narrow take on the matter. You jump all over the “classless” Hollywood egomaniacs at the Golden Globe Awards, yet you didn’t watch the show and are unable to cite examples to support your contention. You DO NOT know what you are talking about.
dakine on January 12, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Now I will tell you what I thought was a bit off. Both Ricky Gervais and Sascha Baron Cohen’s smearing jokes, Cohen especially.
And he was booed by the Hollywood audience, his jokes were very mean spirited.
Gervais make a holocaust joke which was very uncomfortable but as it turns out it was an inside joke with the character Kate Winslet played on his episode of that show he did for HBO called Extras, which I did not see.
But they are not even Americans, they are English. Their humor goes out the window with me, and it did with most of the room last night as well.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 11:27 PM
I found that to be true in general for me. I’ve watched the British Office. It’s funny, but the humor is completely different. I like Gervais to an extent, but he often resembles his character when he makes jokes. I don’t know if this is intentional and just part of his thing or what, but it doesn’t seem to always go over well.
Can’t say I’m a fan of Sasha either. I respect his commitment to a character but that’s really about it for me.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM
You’ve never asked for examples. Would it make a difference?
And no, I wasn’t talking about egomaniacs at the Golden Globes. You’re confusing me with other posters, which is hardly surprising as this isn’t the first time you’ve done it in this very post.
I said explicitly that I didn’t watch the show and wasn’t commenting on it. I’ve now repeated myself on that claim, so hopefully this time you see that and can drop this line. If I’m as stupid as you think, you won’t need to make up lies about me. The truth will suffice.
Esthier on January 12, 2009 at 11:43 PM
It is certainly not all black and white and I hate following that group think – that all of Holywood stinks and they are here for us to trash and burn because they have to be some Left Wing conspiracy hell bent on destroying America.
That is my problem with Coulter – we are all individuals but she aspires to draw her readers into this sort of groupthink collaborative/coop where everyone is expected to choose her way or the highway. Everyone loses their individual footing, which in itself is a very Left Wing position.
It almost seems like an oxymoron in some respects. And amzingly so – everyone who calls BO The One better look a wee bit closer – she is That One on The Right for sure. All they seem to care about is that she can throw out insults and quips.
I live in NYC and know people in the business in my building, I was in the business as a child – pre-teen. Got out of it as a teenager. Most of the people I came across were not Left Wing in the least, but my Dad was handing my career. I only auditioned in California a few times and everyone was very much into capitalism in it’s purest form as far as I could see, and they were all big supporters of Reagan.
AprilOrit on January 12, 2009 at 11:52 PM
One of the reasons many of us miss him so much. But even he’s constantly derided as a fool. I’d love to be able to name a Republican in recent history who wasn’t.
It’s true that we’re individuals, but it’s also true that the majority tends to set the tone for any group, especially the vocal majority. I would think that’s part of the problem you have with Coulter, that she appears to set the tone of conservativism, making us all appear as she is even though you know you are not like her.
Esthier on January 13, 2009 at 12:01 AM
She reminds me of a Michael Moore character, I can’t stand him.
And yes she takes that individual liberty and freedom thing out of the mix, it’s a little too much for me amd my liking.
AprilOrit on January 13, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Great post at 11:16 April.
Fair point esthier…the truth should suffice, so I’ll leave it at that.
dakine on January 13, 2009 at 12:16 AM
It seems like everyone I met back then with any connection to that business – and on the coast especially – were big Reagan people. My Dad was selective about my jobs, maybe it was because of his influence that I didn’t meet any moonbats, I don’t know.
I got out of the business by more neccessity than accident, I got mono for a second time at 14 and my Mother flipped out, actually they both did, as I had already had it at 11 the first time.
I was bedridden and that was the end of the auditions. By the time I recovered I was forgotten, yesterday’s news.
AprilOrit on January 13, 2009 at 12:25 AM
I completely understand that.
I don’t understand people who call her stupid, but the rest I very much get.
Esthier on January 13, 2009 at 12:26 AM
That’s sad but seems to be typical of the environment there; another complaint of mine.
I don’t care how you leave…
Esthier on January 13, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Good one esthier. I thought the truth was supposed to suffice. Really, it’s okay to admit when you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
dakine on January 13, 2009 at 12:33 AM
I was being truthful. Your leaving, in any manner, whether just for tonight, or permanently, doesn’t affect me in the slightest.
Neither does your staying, but that’s hardly as entertaining a line to make here.
Esthier on January 13, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Uh, okay esthier. Glad we cleared that up. I was confused as to my impact on your life.
dakine on January 13, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Oh she is far from stupid, that is one thing she is not.
AprilOrit on January 13, 2009 at 12:40 AM
I sensed that.
Esthier on January 13, 2009 at 12:40 AM
The business was saturated in my age group – there were people then honing their craft who are famous today.
I auditioned for a few movies but did allot of commercials and print. There were a ton of roles for horror and my parents would not allow me to do that kind of work.
AprilOrit on January 13, 2009 at 12:51 AM
Good for them. The real world is scary enough, and depending on the age group you’re talking about, some of those films are merely about gore and sexuality. I don’t knock people for watching them, but I understand parents not wanting their daughter to participate in them.
Esthier on January 13, 2009 at 12:55 AM
My Dad would not even permit me to read for The Lost Boys, which was a vampire movie starring Keifer Sutherland, Corey Feldman and Coey Haim, directed by Joel Schumacher. I often wonder what would have been on that one. LOL
But there were a ton of lowend ones back then that were very cheap and gory. These were very easy to get hired into.
AprilOrit on January 13, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Didn’t hear anything on the Golden Globes any worse than what Dick Cheney has said on the floor of the United States Senate.
benny shakar on January 13, 2009 at 1:22 AM
The issue for me is not one of morality, it’s the fact that these “hip” liberal media types have such little imagination that they feel they have to resort to cheap potty talk in order to extract cheap laughter from an audience which is every bit as shallow as they are.
Liberal stand-up comics are the same, most of them rely on the fact that the phrase “fuck Bush” (or similar) will cause any young, hip audience to explode in cheers and cries of “yeah!”
It’s a bit like working a crowd of stoners. All you have to do is mention driving to the store at 3am for Twinkies and they’re immediately doubled up with laughter. Hey, he’s talking about getting stoned! It’s illegal, but he’s saying it! Ha! We’re living on the edge!
Sharke on January 13, 2009 at 1:38 AM
I dont think Ed understands – this IS the Hollywood trash putting their best foot forward. Ak-Tors are such cutting edge dontcha know.
I didnt watch the awards, never do because I could not care less about who gets what so I dont think I missed anything. And I dont believe AK-tors should be censored – they should be allowed to reveal to the world what low-class trailer trash they really are. My apologies to the real trailer trash out there. One day maybe America will catch on and get fed up. But not likely. After all, we elected the actor and poseur Obama.
abcurtis on January 13, 2009 at 7:45 AM
April being a liberal (I assume she’s liberal by the way she writes) plainly does not understand that with rights comes responsibility. But then most liberals dont understand that. I know I’m preaching to the choir here for the most part.
The only ones calling for censorship is the left trying to silence an opposing view on talk radio. To them, that free speech is hate speech. I havent seen a single post here that advocates Hollywood be silenced through government fiat. Conservatives listen then vote with their feet. We maintain everybody has a God-given right to be stupid and the actors prove that everyday. I would not take that right away from them.
And finally, while all things might be lawful but not all things are helpful.
Thus endeth the lesson.
abcurtis on January 13, 2009 at 7:59 AM
Oh please. Actors stand where somebody else tells them to stand, wear what somebody else tells them to wear, do what sombody else tells them to do, regurgitate what somebody else has written for them. This is a craft? Spouting foul language is honing that “craft”? Plumbing is a craft, carpentry is a craft. Acting is trying to make somebody believe you are something you are not (See Obama). That bunch couldnt make a living in a pie shop biting holes in donuts for Pete’s sake.
And what is “provactive” btw? And shouldnt “hon” be “hone”? You dont even know proper spelling and punctuation and you’re here lecturing us? You do have nerve if nothing else.
abcurtis on January 13, 2009 at 8:08 AM
She’s not. I frequently disagree with her, but she’s not a liberal. I’m not saying that to defend her but just to be honest.
I saw that one years after it came out. It was the favorite movie of a good friend of mine. We watched it during a sleepover, and I’ve always looked back fondly on it.
I don’t remember it being scary at all though. Too bad your father didn’t let you get that one.
What role would you have gone for? That one female vampire?
Esthier on January 13, 2009 at 9:48 AM
The role of Star, which was cast with Jami Gertz. My father read the script, saw the sketches/storyboards of the make up and nixed it immediately.
He thought it was too inappropriate, the whole vampire thing. But looking back I may have been too young to be cast anyway, they were looking at girls in a range, more in her age group and younger. I have no regrets, my Dad is an excellent man and role model, he is the best father I could have ever had, any decision he made were made in my best interest, as always.
abcurtis doesn’t get it, it’s over his/her head, I am not even going to go back over it. Some people feel Hollywood = Liberal and therefore it’s there for their hating & bashing.
Meanwhile it’s a major business that contributes to our economy in a big way.
AprilOrit on January 13, 2009 at 11:31 AM
That’s a good way to look back on these things. So many parents introduce their children to that industry and are very clearly not looking out for anyone but themselves.
Arcade Fire has a song about it (it’s mostly about Jessica Simpson’s father). It’s called (AntiChrist Television Blues).
The band’s pretty anti-religion in general, but they nailed that one so far as I can see.
Esthier on January 13, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Guys like ab just spew talking points they’ve read on a blog or heard on talk radio. No independent analysis or original thought, just drivel. Not worth responding to. Esthier at least engages. Sorry for the snarkiness last night esthier…uncalled for.
dakine on January 13, 2009 at 11:44 AM
We’re fine. People here have called me a whore before. That went too far. You didn’t.
Esthier on January 13, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Cool. I look forward to shooting the bull with you on other topics.
dakine on January 13, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Likewise.
Esthier on January 13, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Another reason to call them the Blago awards is because they literally buy the judges who all get lots of gifts from the nominees. What a joke.
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gary fouse on January 13, 2009 at 4:27 PM
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