Pravda: The coming Ice Age

posted at 9:28 am on January 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Plenty of people e-mailed me the latest from Pravda, a warning that the Earth will shortly enter a new Ice Age and that we’d all better start learning from Minnesotans how to deal with cold weather …. really cold weather.  Those who think global warming is bunk might enjoy the cold schandenfreude of glaciation, but I’d say this theory suffers from the same problems that Goreism does:

The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years.

Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record, and studies of ancient plant and animal populations all demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern of Ice Age glacial maximums which each last about 100,000 years, separated by intervening warm interglacials, each lasting about 12,000 years.

Most of the long-term climate data collected from various sources also shows a strong correlation with the three astronomical cycles which are together known as the Milankovich cycles. The three Milankovich cycles include the tilt of the earth, which varies over a 41,000 year period; the shape of the earth’s orbit, which changes over a period of 100,000 years; and the Precession of the Equinoxes, also known as the earth’s ‘wobble’, which gradually rotates the direction of the earth’s axis over a period of 26,000 years. According to the Milankovich theory of Ice Age causation, these three astronomical cycles, each of which effects the amount of solar radiation which reaches the earth, act together to produce the cycle of cold Ice Age maximums and warm interglacials. …

The central piece of evidence that is cited in support of the AGW theory is the famous ‘hockey stick’ graph which was presented by Al Gore in his 2006 film “An Inconvenient Truth.” The ‘hockey stick’ graph shows an acute upward spike in global temperatures which began during the 1970s and continued through the winter of 2006/07. However, this warming trend was interrupted when the winter of 2007/8 delivered the deepest snow cover to the Northern Hemisphere since 1966 and the coldest temperatures since 2001. It now appears that the current Northern Hemisphere winter of 2008/09 will probably equal or surpass the winter of 2007/08 for both snow depth and cold temperatures.

The main flaw in the AGW theory is that its proponents focus on evidence from only the past one thousand years at most, while ignoring the evidence from the past million years — evidence which is essential for a true understanding of climatology. The data from paleoclimatology provides us with an alternative and more credible explanation for the recent global temperature spike, based on the natural cycle of Ice Age maximums and interglacials.

If I had to pick one theory to cheer, it would be global warming.  At least it provides more hope for agriculture and sustenance.  A new Ice Age would limit the land on which we could grow food and lead to massive starvation. I’m also disinclined to put much trust in Pravda on any story, given its history of propaganda and deception.

Unfortunately for global-warming enthusiasts, Pravda at least has the mechanisms correct.  They correctly state that the release of CO2 comes from warming, and not the other way around.  The fact that the world has gotten cooler over the last decade and especially in the last two years demonstrates that CO2 doesn’t have the greenhouse effect predicted by computer climate models based only on the last 1000 years.  Instead, Pravda rightly notes that real climatology has to account for much longer-term modeling and that the “hockey stick” graph, already discredited, provides no real insight into true climate change.

But for the same reasons, I doubt that a new Ice Age sits around the corner from present day, nor does Pravda actually report that it does.  We are working in “ridiculously narrow” time frames for discussion of global warming or cooling.  What we’re seeing is weather, and humanity has little to no impact on it.  The recent cooling and the expansion of polar ice should make that clear, and we should return to more pressing issues — such as rational energy policies that improve standards of living rather than seek to return us to some imaginary pre-Industrial Age nirvana.

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YOu have to be kidding me
A communist new paper
Ripping into the Lefists Liberals pet project
Global warming basicaly calling it a scam !!!!

Say it aint so..

the liberals need to get the
Gorical and the ACLU and then
SUE RUSSIA and the communist party
For daring to suggest that the Gorical was WRONG!!!

Oh this is going to get GOOD..

jcila on January 12, 2009 at 12:53 PM

My surname, in middle english, means “satisfier of women”….explains a great deal.

LimeyGeek on January 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Dishwasher is your surname?

thomasaur on January 12, 2009 at 12:55 PM

thomasaur on January 12, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Oof. To the victor the spoils ;) Touche!

LimeyGeek on January 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM

(removes hat and bows in acknowledgment)

thomasaur on January 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM

We need to save the planet, keep your cars running, bring back the old aerosols, more coal burning plants…
Save the planet, create C02, destroy the ozone, famine is just around the corner…

right2bright on January 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Doen’t matter a whit WHICH particular natural phenomonon is in ascendancy.

The ONLY criteria is adapting to the particular. As in all the prior changes, it’ll be gradual, and NOTHING we can do will have one iota of effect.

irongrampa on January 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Will someday the fact that a warming earth causes more CO2 instead of CO2 causes a warming earth be compared to when Galileo was arrested in the 1600s by the Pope for promoting the fact that the Earth revolved around the Sun and not the Sun revolved around the Earth?

Al Gore is a “Sun revolves around the Earth” type person.

albill on January 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Al Gore is a “Sun revolves around the Earth” type person.

albill on January 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Not true. Al Gore is a “the world revolves around me” type person.

coldwarrior on January 12, 2009 at 1:10 PM

We’re probably not going to see a glaciation stage for 15 -20,000 years yet. Reason being, the earth’s orbit is just now approaching its minimum eccentricity. The last time this happened, 4 cycles ago, the interglacial optimum lasted 33,000 years not 13,000, so we’ve got a ways to go yet. During that optimum, however, the Greenland icecap did totally melt so we’re going to see algore’s sea level jump in another 10,000 years or so.

Don’t worry though, Obama will destroy civilization long before glaciers do.

lonesomecharlie on January 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM

There should be a movie: The Devil Reads Pravda.

ToddonCapeCod on January 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I do not remember where but I read about the same “new ice age” crap from a different source a couple months ago.

The planet has reached its peak warm temp and is now starting heading down to its normal low temp. Now is the time for the libs to turn from warming to cooling, they will have the exact same ajenda.

Remember the coming ice age that preceded the current melt age.

If you haven’t already, study a 100,000 year planet temp. cycle chart.

allrsn on January 12, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Ice ages can come relatively suddenly. What about all those fossils of woolly mammoths frozen in Siberia? At some time in the past, the Siberian climate was warm enough to support plentiful vegetation needed to support such huge creatures (modern elephants can only live in the wild in tropical regions). If the Ice Age that froze the mammoths had come gradually, over a period of decades or centuries, the mammoths would have had time to migrate south, and not be buried by the hundreds in mass graveyards.

If there are other scientific reasons to believe the climate may be cooling (increased snowfall, low sunspot activity, more sea ice, growing glaciers), there could be new arguments against global Gore-ing other than “schadenfreude”.

http://www.co2science.com

According to the above website, hundreds of experiments have shown that, all other things equal, plants grown in CO2-enriched atmospheres have faster growth, higher crop yields, and better drought resistance than plants grown in today’s atmosphere. If global cooling is coming, more CO2 in the air will help mankind feed itself despite shorter growing seasons.

Keep the earth green! Burn something for fuel!

Steve Z on January 12, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Make that “for now.” 45% of Texas voted for Hope & Spare Change. All major Texas cities and vast swaths of suburbs went blue. Keep the illegal immigration up and you’re done.

JiangxiDad on January 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

There’s also the legal migration to Texas coming from blue areas within the United States, like California and the east coast. We are getting floods and floods of refugees from the housing meltdown. In Texas’s four largest cities (also four of the ten fastest-growing cities in the nation), one can still buy a large house on a decent lot for $200K-$300K. That, and the lack of a state income tax, is attracting people in droves from those areas where housing prices were the most ridiculous and people lost their shirts. We’re getting bluer every day in Texas as a result.

aero on January 12, 2009 at 3:29 PM

There are some really interesting studies on the ice ages While the last 20,000 years are the best studied (because the current glacier sheets do not go back millions of years) there is a cyclic nature to glacier ages based upon a ton of evidence in the land, pollen, plant and animal traces and even oxygen isotope levels in ice layers

Cyclic temperature changes on a planet that gets its energy from the sun has to be tied to orbital changes or sun activity or activity on earth that interferes with sunlight, such as volcanic dust

The Russians are not fools to present an astronomical hypothesis. A very interesting pollen study I read matched pollen cycles to warming and cooling cycles. That study put us in the several hundred years of erratic temperature swings that precede the next thousands years stage of slow incremental cooling that precede a full ice age.

I find the evidence compelling but my fruit fly life span will get me no where near the cold age that preceds the ice age. It is interesting how very quickly our glacial sheets are rebounding. That to me is where I have to depend on science and not intuition, because my intuition would tell me it could happen that fast, and yet, it did.

Our big problem is global pollution and why the socialists avoid that theme is beyond me. The new rules banning incandescent light bulds are going to install billions of mercury containing bulbs througout the world, Mercury is an irreversible contaminant unlike carbon which can rain on us and not kill us. The Mad Hatter suffered from mercury poisoning and the Mad Hatters are now making global policy from their thrones and committees.

entagor on January 12, 2009 at 4:00 PM

God, I hope this kills polar bears.

Second, I am reminded of the episode of The Simpsons where Homer tries to get obese and he buys the GNC Weight Gainer stuff and the counter guy is like, “Luckily for you, none of this stuff works.” Only here, it’s like, too bad none of that carbon dioxide mumbo jumbo works.

joeindc44 on January 12, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Keep the earth green! Burn something for fuel!

Steve Z on January 12, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Would an environmentalist count?

MarkTheGreat on January 12, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Could you please elaborate on that mechanism.

Yoop on January 12, 2009 at 11:15 AM

In a nutshell, super vocanic eruptions occur when the caldera collapses into the lava dome. This can’t happen when the lava dome is full of lava.

Before you can get a super vocanic eruption you need to have an massive eruptive phase that empties the lava chamber, then, when pressure in the lava dome drops, the caldera collapses, and the really big boom happens.

Right now the Yellowstone lava dome is full.

MarkTheGreat on January 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM

btw, like SETI, I constantly search for intelligent life in the universe. tks.

JiangxiDad on January 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM

That’s because they can’t find any here.

MarkTheGreat on January 12, 2009 at 4:20 PM

What is it that they hope to gain by scaring the hell out of people?

orlandocajun on January 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Lots and lots of power.

MarkTheGreat on January 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Damn envirowhackos. They slowed the the self checkout lanes at the supermarket I bought ribs from today to a crawl with their stupid 5 cent per bag tax. Like that’s gonna stop people from getting them.

People like al gore who purposefully sabotage the economy so they can feel better about some fantasy problem they invented should go to and rot in prison.

Darth Executor on January 12, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Glaciation is the “normal” state of things for the past couple of million years. The brief warm interglacial periods last only 10 percent of the time with glaciation being 90 percent of the time.

This interglacial is getting long in the tooth and we are nearing the time when we are due to slip into another phase of the more “normal” glaciation state.

Warm periods where people can live in places like Canada and Russia are the odd periods of recent geological history and the shift in state seems to happen quite rapidly … apparently within the span of one or two human generations.

We are much more likely to slip into glaciation than into “runaway” greenhouse conditions.

crosspatch on January 12, 2009 at 4:55 PM

In a nutshell, super vocanic eruptions occur when the caldera collapses into the lava dome. This can’t happen when the lava dome is full of lava.

Before you can get a super vocanic eruption you need to have an massive eruptive phase that empties the lava chamber, then, when pressure in the lava dome drops, the caldera collapses, and the really big boom happens.

Right now the Yellowstone lava dome is full.

MarkTheGreat on January 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM

But… but…. thats SCIENCE, and Common SENSE… it can’t be true because it does not scare the bejesus out of people!!!

and besides, I have this computer model, based on Haxored Copy of Civ IV, which SHOWS that Volcanoes and Global Warming will kill us!

So, you must give me power, and send me MONEY or we are DOOOMMMMEEEEDDDD!!!

Romeo13 on January 12, 2009 at 5:20 PM

I believe in responsible conservitism..
Meaning you can be a capitalist and be responsible for the environment too..

I dont believe we should pave the earth..
But i think since CO2 is what all humans exhale..
I have a small problem with claiming that as a dangerous gas..

Now flatulance of all kinds should be outlawed..
as well as all of the Hot air comming from the environmentalists..

That alone would solve the problem

jcila on January 12, 2009 at 5:22 PM

The funniest part about the whole global warming insanity is that the idiot left loves to use the Vostok Ice Core to “prove” that CO2 drives climate. But anyone with a brain who looks at that ice core data (which I recommend everyone look at) sees, very quickly, that we are standing on the precipice of a very steep climate cliff, about to fall into a major, MAJOR cooling period.

progressoverpeace on January 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM

I put up a post about this earlier. Skip to the end for something interesting from Junk Science on the author of the Pravda story.

catmman on January 12, 2009 at 5:50 PM

catmman on January 12, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Two things:

1) Our MSM is more anti-American than Pravda, these days.

2) Look at the Vostok data, yourself. It’s self-evident.

progressoverpeace on January 12, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Now flatulance of all kinds should be outlawed..

jcila on January 12, 2009 at 5:22 PM

You can’t do that! I would explode! :)

OldEnglish on January 12, 2009 at 6:05 PM

I remember this fear from the ’70s. Ice Age? I doubt it as much as I doubt AGW.

A cool period like the Dalton or Maunder Minimum. Maybe.

I’d much prefer a shorter cool period, long enough to debunk AGW and discredit Gore, Hanson & co.

LarryD on January 12, 2009 at 6:06 PM

What is self-evident, that IPCC modeling is wrong, that attempting to model an inherently chaotic system is impossible, that temperature preceeds CO2 (not the other way around, or that it’s been getting colder since 1998, not warmer?

I’ll give you the one about Pravda though, to a point, but granted

catmman on January 12, 2009 at 6:17 PM

progressoverpeace on January 12, 2009 at 6:03 PM

If I misfired, I apologize – my bad…

catmman on January 12, 2009 at 6:19 PM

If I misfired, I apologize – my bad…

catmman on January 12, 2009 at 6:19 PM

No misfire. You are absolutely correct about the modeling problem. My longstanding challenge to global warmers has been that, if they are so good at modeling such complex systems, they should just use their super-human modeling abilities to model a much simpler system, like the S+P500, make hundreds of billions in profits following their models’ predictions, and finance their inane schemes with their own money. Of course, they can’t, and our experience with econometrics has shown us the limits of such models for predictive value (even for the vastly simpler systems of stock price time series).

progressoverpeace on January 12, 2009 at 6:27 PM

It also helps to know that when speaking about geological changes, “around the corner” or “soon” usually means hundreds if not thousands of years from now.

Guardian on January 12, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Guardian on January 12, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Like “The End Is Nigh”?

OldEnglish on January 12, 2009 at 7:07 PM

“I’m also disinclined to put much trust in Pravda the New York Times on any story, given its history of propaganda and deception.”

Fixed it for ‘ya……………

Seven Percent Solution on January 12, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Maybe the Putin regime is worried Europe and the West might actually succeed modestly at weening off fossil fuels.
Oil and natural gas are Soviet Russia’s best Ace in their hand.
If we don’t need it as much, they’re screwed.

silverfox on January 12, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Get out the popcorn…………

……….. “Snowball Earth”.

Seven Percent Solution on January 12, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Second learn to fend for yourselves be it hunting, fishing, mechanic etc. It is always a good idea to be an “everyman” kind of individual that a foucused person with only one skill that may or may not be needed during a crisis.

unseen on January 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM

When I Was in college, I had a history professor who said virtually the same thing. He said that if the economy went bad that people that could fend for themselves could make it while Phd’s like himself would be at the mercy of others.

Johan Klaus on January 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM

I’m glad that I live in south Texas.

Johan Klaus on January 12, 2009 at 7:44 PM

If we do not even know if the climate is warming or cooling, how can we know what action is necessary to safeguard healthy living conditions for all of humanity?

It is a fact that colder temperatures would be far more harmful to humanity than warmer temperatures. Colder temperatures would result in less land that is suitable for farming, less land suitable for habitation, more deaths due to freezing temperatures and increased disease due to more frequent winter conditions.

Let’s suppose that CO2 emissions are actually causing the Earth’s climate to warm. This would have a positive effect on life on earth, if we were entering an “ice age”.

Also, humanity’s reliance on fossil fuels has enabled the world population to grow to over 6 billion. This population explosion was made possible because of the advances that a reliance on fossil fuels has brought about. These advances include: mechanized farming techniques, refrigeration, air, ground and sea transportation of food and other vital goods, home heating and air conditioning, the availability of speedy emergency services, the availability of modern medicine, the availability of fresh drinking water, the availability of water for irrigation, the availability of indoor plumbing, etc.

If we dramatically reduced or eliminated the use of fossil fuels before finding a suitable, safe and environmentally safer substitute, we would reduce the worlds limit to sustain human life, and billions would die unnecessarily.

This is why we should not rush into any global solutions “half-cocked”. There may be unforeseen negative consequences.

garyganu on January 12, 2009 at 8:58 PM

I’d much prefer a shorter cool period, long enough to debunk AGW and discredit Gore, Hanson & co.

LarryD on January 12, 2009 at 6:06 PM

How can you discredit Hanson? He has predicted both a new ice age and runaway AGW.

burt on January 12, 2009 at 10:36 PM

progressoverpeace on January 12, 2009 at 6:27 PM

I like your words. Mine are a little terse. I have been telling people for years that our knowledge of climate science is on a par with the world’s knowledge of chemistry in Mendeleev’s time.

burt on January 12, 2009 at 11:00 PM

“…such as rational energy policies that improve standards of living…”

Why don’t we just open up our energy sources to the free market? Why should the government be crafting “energy policy”?

Sir Andrew on January 13, 2009 at 10:50 AM

If humans are responsible for the climate and CO2 production, we must stop all our computer activities since global google searches are responsible for as much as the airplane industry emission. What else?

My intuition tell’s me that the last ice age is still in melting and a tropical climate is at hand in the northen atmosphere. For this, Russia will come across the arctic sea for vacation on our coast. Already it has planted a flag at the bottom of the arctic floor claiming the North Pole.

Monas on January 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM

….. “Snowball Earth”.

Seven Percent Solution on January 12, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Nice scary movie.
There’s dropstones in a lot of places.
In the Medicine Bow Mtns W. of Laramie, I know.

I’m not worried even though I live in ND. If I gotta move, I’ll go to the wilderness somewhere else.
I’m sure it won’t happen. But that’s why a technological society (with some common sense) would survive better than a Middle Ages society like the kind Gore & his cronies want us to go back to.

Badger40 on January 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM

As far as I know the only difference between Pravda and the New York Times is their views on global warming.

Maxx on January 13, 2009 at 4:31 PM

No one has mentioned it yet, but “pravda” means truth in Russian. It’s an old totalitarian joke, though one gaining favor lately in the US as well.

JiangxiDad on January 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM

An Inconvenient Pravda?

soundingboard on January 14, 2009 at 4:14 AM

And as of 14 Jan. 2009, we’ve got this story:

Shocking cold wave drops temps to 40 below zero

Why isn’t Al Gore in jail?

Maxx on January 14, 2009 at 10:10 AM

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