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Joe the Plumber becomes Joe the Media; Update: Roggio unimpressed

posted at 11:36 am on January 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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First, Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher arrived in American politics to make redistributionism clear, although in the end, not even Joe the Plumber could knock Barack Obama off his stride for long.  Now Joe has arrived in Israel as a Pajamas Media reporter on the war, and he wasted no time in delivering instructions to the media in Sderot on how to perform that job.  But does Joe understand it himself?

Samuel Wurzelbacher of Ohio, aka Joe the Plumber, arrived in Sderot at noon Sunday to show local and foreign reporters how to do it right.

“You should be ashamed of yourself,” he told foreign reporters.

“You should be patriotic, protect your family and children, not report like you have been doing for the past two weeks since this war has started,” he said. …

The people of Sderot “can’t do normal things day to day,” like get soap in their eyes in the shower, for fear a rocket might come in, Wurzelbacher said. “I’m sure they’re taking quick showers. I know I would.”

He also wondered why Israel waited so long to act. “I know if I were a citizen here, I’d be damned upset.” He described himself as a “peaceloving man,” but added, “when someone hits me, I’m going to unload on the boy. And if the rest of the world doesn’t understand that, then I’m sorry.”

The global media gets no sympathy from me.  Instead of reporting objectively, too many of them seem interested in passing along badly-made Hamas propaganda (CNN and BBC) than to exercise some sort of editorial control over their own content.  In their world, Israel is perpetually the aggressor and the terrorists perpetually the victim.  Therefore, Hamas propaganda suits their purposes and gets no real review before going on the air — twice.

On the other hand, Joe seems ready to make the same mistake that the MSM does, which is picking sides rather than reporting.  He’s made it clear that his mission is to tell the Israeli side, which is unfortunately badly needed at this stage.  At least he’s honest about that, but it doesn’t make him that much better than his mainstream media peers.  If they announced that they felt a duty to report the Palestinian side of the conflict because they genuinely believe that Israel is the aggressor, would that make their reporting any more objective or truthful?  Not really.

What this conflict needs is disinterested, dispassionate reporting, a historical record that doesn’t rely on terrorist propagandists nor on “patriotic” reports from the front.  Joe the Plumber may make a fine columnist or opinion journalist — we’ll see when he begins filing regular reports — but his entirely legitimate criticism of the mainstream global media will apply to himself as well if he declares that he will deliver “patriotic” reports on behalf of Israel.   At least we’ll get a little bit of balance for the next two weeks.  (via Michelle)

Update: In a column for Pajamas Media, Jazz Shaw wonders what PJM was thinking.

Update II: Actual war correspondent Bill Roggio is unimpressed, too:

[I]f Joe’s spent any real time with the military, he’d know they typically don’t want reporters to cheerlead for them. In my experience, all the troops on the ground want is a fair shake (senior commanders may or may not want such candor). If something is working, they want you to tell that story, and if something is going wrong, they want that story out there too. One reason for the latter is that often the media can serve as a back door to get some problems fixed that the chain of command may be ignoring.

Finally, Joe is advocating a 1940’s media strategy for wars that are being fought in the 21st Century. We can’t roll back the mass access to print, television, the Internet, cell phones, etc. and push the news on grainy films at the theater.

The real irony here is that PJTV, a 21st Century, Internet-based news organization is sending a reporter–who doesn’t want reporters to report on war–to report on a war. And apparently Joe would love to return to the days when the news was influenced by the government and seen at the theater.

I think Bill has this correct. We need more honest reporting and less slanted propaganda. Bill, Michael Yon, Michael Totten, and Bill Ardolino manage to do the former — and we’re grateful for it. Joe should set his sights higher.

Update III: JD Johannes, another tested war correspondent, finds himself rooting for Joe:

But maybe I missed something while I was in Iraq. If Joe turns out to be the communicator needed to tell the story, then Mr. Simon and PJTV made the right call and my time in Iraq produced a blind spot in my understanding. And I hope he is good, because if he fails, the whole enterprise will fall flat. If PJTV has jumped that shark this early in its existence, it will be difficult to take it seriously in the future.

PJTV represents a great platform for independents out covering the hot spots. Yes, I do some work for the majors, but see PJTV as the next logical step for the new media. I would love to be PJTV’s man in some hell-hole.

Which is why despite my questioning of PJTV’s news judgement, I need Joe to succeed. If the viewer’s brought in by the publicity are satisfied with Joe’s work, PJTV will be successful. If it comes off a publicity stunt, the enterprise will have taken a big hit.

Joe–don’t screw it up. Don’t jump the shark, do what the Fonz should have done when confronted with the California Kid–be the real Fonz from the early seasons and punch him in the face.

Why didn’t they hire JD? Well …


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Speaking as a lifelong consumer of media, I have to disagree with you here Ed.

An argument can be made that all news is opinion, but regardless of whether that is true or not, the mainstream media cloaks itself in “objectivity” as though it’s some sort of holy sacrement.

If Joe The Plumber is nothing more than the other side of the coin, I say he’s a welcome breath of fresh air. You won’t get any pro-hamas media to admit their bias — ever.

gryphon202 on January 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

I have no problem with patriotic reporters. During WWII, did anyone even consider it a reporter’s job to remain neutral? We expected them to darn well know that they should be on our side, and report like it. Ernie Pyle didn’t preen as some “citizen of the world,” and reading his articles today is as moving as it must have been then.

DrMagnolias on January 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

To get the Palestinian side means actually going into the West Bank or Gaza, where one is not going to be permitted by either the Israelis or Hamas to traipse about freely talking to whomever. Those are dangerous places for an American at this point, even one willing to “unload on the boy”.

The media who are reporting are seeing what their handlers want them to see. Joe at this point won’t be any different — he’s just overtly stated his preference in handlers. If I were him, I’d have the same preference, if only because you don’t stand the risk of suddenly becoming a hostage — the Israelis will just make you leave if you become too burdensome.

unclesmrgol on January 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

One of the things I appreciate about you, Ed, is that you report in a pretty evenhanded way. I’ve come to trust you vision, which is what reporting should earn from its audience.

So far, I’m good with Joe’s vision. I don’t yet see a need for corrective lenses. Hopefully, it remains that way.

beatcanvas on January 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Joe is sensational. He is going to blow the lid off the MSM.

I’m not kidding.

Wait til people realize people in Sderot have built bomb shelters in their homes.

Wait til they find out that people cant use their upstairs bedrooms because they won’t have time to get their kids down in the 10-15 seconds during a rocket attack.

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I agree that Joe the plumber is making the same mistake as the MSM. It’s sad that a plumber trying out journalism is as good and reliable as most anyone else in the industry. The media can complain but they created the niche Joe is filling by being such hacks.

gwelf on January 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I see the admonition of Joe the Plumber’s stance on his responsibilities in Israel as anathema to conservatism, Ed. He is there to voice opinion, I thought, not be a journalist. Wasn’t that what everyone was defending when he was being railed against as not having “journalist” chops( whatever they are)? Isn’t PMTV biased?….. I, for one, welcome him and hope he continues to tell the other side, the TRUE side. Journalistic objectivity died decades ago in the hallowed halls of academia.

MNDavenotPC on January 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I’ve been reading the defense of JTP-as-journalist here and on Michelle Malkin’s blog, and it sickens me.

The proper response to mainstream journalists not acting professionally is not to bring in an amateur on your side.

If there is any hope for the profession, it does not lie in further cheapening the product. It lies with making sure your own professional activities are beyond reproach.

I don’t blame the dude. If he can turn a few seconds of face-time with Osama Obama and its resultant publicity blitz into some income and notoriety, more power to him.

But I consider all this a cheap shot by Pajamas Media, one that degrades their product and brings them down to the level of the MSM reporters who act like untrained amateurs.

MrScribbler on January 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Don’t get me wrong, I like PJ media. They have great writers there, but this is just a stupid gimmick by Roger Simon just to prove anyone can ask loaded questions to their viewership. I support Israel and so does Roger, I’m just wondering if this way was the best way to do it.

Plus, I’m sure there are only about 5 people in the this country actually paying for PJTV, so, I guess they needed someone like Joe help out in subscription membership.

Lance Murdock on January 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

At least he’s honest about that

That sums it up , he doesn’t pretend.

“If they announced that they felt a duty to report the Palestinian side of the conflict because they genuinely believe that Israel is the aggressor, would that make their reporting any more objective or truthful? Not really.”

No , it would make all the difference.

the_nile on January 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I’d love to hear Ed or any other HA’er expalin to me why the hell it’s so wrong anymore to be PROUD, PATRIOTIC and WILLING TO STAND UP TO EVIL TERRORISTS! Hamas, the PLO, the otheer groups should be WIPED FROM THE FACE OF THE PLANET by ANY AND ALL MEANS, period. Stop fighting wars with “smart” this and that, worrying about what ANYONE thinks or anyone else says… We fire bombed Dresden in WWII, Nuked Japan… WE WON! Take the gloves off Isreal. Kill them all, Men, Women and Childeren until the missles stop falling on your cities. You were attacked first, America & Pearl Harbor ring a bell? 9/11 ring a bell? Kill them till they stop terrorist attacks in Isreal, period.

Americans will soon be faced with the very same issues… We have a weak Pres Elect, we have “Conservative’s” like Ed and others at HA that don’t get what a “war” is or NEEDS to be… We want it “claen” nad “smart”, with no children or non-coms being hurt… Get real, wake up… They did not care about school kids in Isreal or a Janitor in the World Trade Center… They (ALL TERROR GROUPS) are out to destroy and KILL every single American, not just our Military, but ALL of us, with no care for race, creed or color, sex or sexual orintation… America must suffer nad Americans must die is thier battlecry.

But we fight like sissy’s, like we do not understand VICTORY AT ALL COSTS anymore… Sad and getting sadder daily here at HA and other so called Conservative sites and blogs…

The wuss-i-fication of America as Rush calls it, is in full dispaly globaly as we surrender to TERROR and apease…

God help us all if this is the mindset of Americans…

Mark Garnett on January 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Ed, why the moral equivalency?

You are saying Joe should be objective in reporting the terrorist’s side? Hamas is a terrorist organization if you didn’t know that.

Joe’s reporting because he is taking the only reasonable side. Their is no other side.

Should he be objective when reporting the news about Osama?

This is why Joe’s reporting jolted me.

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Ed, I disagree when you say, “…Joe seems ready to make the same mistake that the MSM does, which is picking sides rather than reporting.”

So what? When Rush, FOX and others first came onto the scene, the MSM outright denied that they were biased and discounted “right-wing opinion disguised as news.” Today the MSM sees any reporting which conflicts with their liberal agenda as competition. The MSM is emboldened by this and have taken their “objective” masks off and thrown them away.

Let Joe root them out so that they can continue to display their left-wing, agenda-based opinions which are falsely marketed and delivered as news.

perroviejo on January 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Hmmm, on one hand we have the entire global media and chic-protest academia, and on the other hand we have PJM/Joe and the J-Post, and a motley crew of bloggers.
More balance, please.

silverfox on January 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

I agree that Joe the plumber is making the same mistake as the MSM. It’s sad that a plumber trying out journalism is as good and reliable as most anyone else in the industry. The media can complain but they created the niche Joe is filling by being such hacks.

gwelf on January 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Joe is a provocation against MSM bias. And an honest one.

the_nile on January 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM

The WUSS-I-FICATION… I REPEAT…

WUSS

I

FICATION

of

AMERICA

*** (my addition to Rush’s) Shall be the death of liberty, freedom and America.

Mark Garnett on January 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I made this argument last night:

In this instance, picking sides is the right decision. This is a lawful democratic nation vs terrorist thugs. If you can’t decide which side to fall on, you have a brain deficiency.

And JTP never claimed to be objective…he’s working for PJM for heaven’s sake.

jimmy the notable on January 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Ed,

I disagree. Objective passionless reporting got us to this place this time. It opens the door to multiculturlism and Pccorrectness. No reporting should be about presenting the facts honestly as you see them. it is the hidden agendas of the press that are the problem. for instance if NBC instead of trying to pretend it is objective instead said hey we love the dems and are biased towards the dems then the consumers of the media would understand to look at news coming from NBC with this light.

Take fox news. It is pretty fair and balanced yet the dems have painted has a pro conservative news act therefore any news coming out of fox is suspect by liberals as propagranda.

No it is time we pick sides in our media.

unseen on January 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Ed, there is no such thing as unbiased reporting. Saying that is what we need is a joke. So the so called journalists of the world use the notion of unbiased reporting to shield the fact that they are biased. What I want from reporters are honesty and truth. Joe meets the first criteria by being honest in his intentions. Now let’s see if he can be truthful in his reporting. Anyone who claims to be unbiased in their reporting I tune out immediately. They are liars and frauds.

NotCoach on January 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Mark Garnett on January 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

agreed. One of the biggest mistakes Bush made was not fighting a war in Iraq but a peacekeeping mission.

unseen on January 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Envy is an ugly thing, Ed.

SKYFOX on January 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM

would that make their reporting any more objective or truthful? Not really.

I agree with that statement. However, I have to disagree on the effect of either Joe or the MSM being honest about who’s side they are on.

Joe, in my estimation, is more credible than the MSM exactly because he is up front and honest about his bias. The MSM, on the other hand, portrays themselves as totally objective but editorializes news in an attempt to shape public opinion to their desired viewpoint (then run “Paliwood” stories and refuse to apologize for or retract demonstrably falsified stories). IMO, the MSM engages in what I consider propaganda.

In essence, one attempts to pull the wool over my eyes while the other (Joe) lets me know that they have a slant I will want to account for as I read their reports.

batter on January 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM

WOW ED, your getting hammered… 100% against your opinion…

I sure hope your not like the “drive-bys”…

I hope you have the stones to defend your comments, no matter how wrong…

ROFL!

hummmm ?

Mark Garnett on January 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Ed,

One of the biggest reasons why HotAir is so attractive to me is that for the most part I can find news of interest without the hyperbole and fluff.
My kids hear me often say just give me the news and keep the stories.
This IMHO is HotAir. Thank you and the entire group for that.

canditaylor68 on January 12, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Again, I still prefer John Hinderaker’s take:

JOHN adds: As others have noted, CNN on-air personnel openly ridiculed the idea of sending Joe the Plumber to Israel as a “reporter.” They think he’s unqualified for the job. I’m not sure what qualifies a person to be a reporter, but unwillingness to make s*** up would seem to be at the top of the list.

That’s all I ask from the mass media. Don’t make sh!t up and don’t edit facts to paint/tell a false picture/story. Bias is fine, if admitted to. But when I say bias, I mean taking the same facts and proper history and context and just simply coming to a different conclusion. Not making sh!t up and putting forth propaganda and lies.

And I disagree with you Ed, in that we need unpassionate, completely objective people reporting on the war. When we are fighting evil, we need people who recognize it as such and report it as such. I don’t want someone who is completely unplugged from reality to be unpassionately reporting on Israel doing its best to defend itself from evil. That is as passionate a story as any and we need passionate people reporting the facts about it.

Michael in MI on January 12, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Objective reporting has never, and will never exist.

NOBODY reports just the facts and all the facts.

All I want is transparency in the reporters opinions.

Clark1 on January 12, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Joe could be making what mistake, finding some objectivity in a nation that absorbed 3,000 rockets before taking action?
If my town were to take half a dozen rockets, I would be on the border myself shooting back.

I don’t care about the Palestinian views anymore, I really don’t, I don’t give a fig what they have to say about anything, much less this war they started. The savages around the world desecrating graves, burning synagogues, attacking Jewish kids, screaming “Go back to the ovens”… I DON’T CARE ABOUT THEM ANYMORE.

They dug their hole, now they get to lie in it. Joe can tell us about the good guys, and it’s about friggin time because the media lice never will.

Bishop on January 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM

IMO, the MSM engages in what I consider propaganda.

In essence, one attempts to pull the wool over my eyes while the other (Joe) lets me know that they have a slant I will want to account for as I read their reports.

batter on January 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Completely agree.

And I would add indoctrination to propaganda as the mass media does that with many topics: the war effort(s), ‘global warming’, politics, etc. They are not simply reporting facts in a distorted manner, they are also working to try to get people to think a certain way. Everything is geared not to inform, but to indoctrinate.

Michael in MI on January 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM

He explicitly pointed to the WW2 model of war reporting; that the job of the journalist is not to be impartial in war. We only think of it this way because we’ve been conditioned by a high caste of liberal journalists who use that as an excuse to parade their anti-US/anti-Israel feelings. Who’s to say which is right, just like whether today’s model of education focusing on class/racial/sexual grievance is more correct than the traditional model of classical liberal education? Losing a war is serious enough that his model of journalism may be the correct one; we new little of what actually went on during WW2 at the time, yet was our victory worth this information gap? I would argue yes. But we’ve convinced ourselves that war should be a sanitary business, with no collateral damage, despite the fact that this is hardly ever the case.

blue13326 on January 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

But I consider all this a cheap shot by Pajamas Media, one that degrades their product and brings them down to the level of the MSM reporters who act like untrained amateurs.

MrScribbler on January 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I disagree MrS…… This is a brilliant stroke of fortune for PM. Beyond internet readers like here at HA, do you really think Pajamas Media is even recognized by any mass readership? There is simply no way that PM could/would ever attempt to reach the “world stage” of journalistic opinion without some one the masses could relate to or reconize to counter the MSM leftward slant that overwhelms the “concious” public.

Rovin on January 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Bishop on January 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM

+100 and add an AMEN!

Do you have an extra gun for me and I’ll meet ya at the city limits to fight back the horde.

Mark Garnett on January 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Sad to see otherwise intelligent folks taking a buffoon like this guy seriously. Publicity stunt by PJM. Nothing more or less. Joe’s an idiot. I’d love to see a “conservative” blogger with actual reporting bonda fides reporting on this story on a regular basis, but to send over this clown is embarrassing. His 15 minutes should have been up about two months ago.

dakine on January 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

MrScribbler on January 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

What makes a “journalist” a “professional”?

Is it going to the right “journalism” school?
Is it having X number of years of employment at the correct newspaper?

No, it’s having a commitment to getting the news right, and in declaring your own biases, not hiding them.

In that sense, JTP is more of a professional journalist than all of the rest.

MarkTheGreat on January 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM

knew not new…

blue13326 on January 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I would suggest that what you say you want:

“disinterested, dispassionate reporting, a historical record that doesn’t rely on terrorist propagandists nor on “patriotic” reports from the front.”

Is not very realistic, and further that it is the job of historians to provide the disinterested, dispassionate historical analysis and “pull” the historical record from the reporting of the day.

Most hard salient points in the historical record are not provided for solely by journalists, reporters, chroniclers etc. Most of the hard points are a defined from a multitude of sources. Some of which are indeed subjective. Yet when one can combine objective known points like “gazans firing rockets during the ‘cease fire’” is a simple verifiable fact. It is your disinterested historical fact. This fact may have been pulled from some highly propagandized reports provided by both sides of the conflict.

What’s needed sorely in today’s media is BOTH sides of the story. The narrative has begun to take precedent over both the facts and the analysis of those facts.

We need Joe because he’s going to show another side that the MSM won’t show for fear of jeopardizing their scripted narrative of the world and Joe might actually force them to cover their own nation’s side as well as the enemies.

I don’t think we could have honest reporting that was also disinterested and dispassionate. I’m not even sure I would want that. I am part of a civilization at war with another civilization, as such I want my civilization’s perspective in the reporting as much as possible.

Sorry for the ramble.

Jason Coleman on January 12, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Do you have an extra gun for me and I’ll meet ya at the city limits to fight back the horde.
Mark Garnett on January 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I’m a clinger, not so much to the Bible but definitely to the guns; I have them coming out of my ears.

When the time comes, and it will sooner than we think, I’ll make sure you have the ability to fight.

Bishop on January 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Tom Paine was an apprentice corset maker,exciseman and school teacher. Samuel Clemmens was typesetter, failed miner and storyteller. They are considered to have been journalists and good ones at that.

thomasaur on January 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Sorry, but I’ll take Roggio, Yon, and Totten over JTP any day of the week. Perhaps if they had a bit more financial support???

a capella on January 12, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Morrissey said

What this conflict needs is disinterested, dispassionate reporting

Really? You think we should talk about the attacks by the terrorists in Hamas in a dispassionate and disinterested way?

If that is what good journalism is then I don’t want to hear any of it!

TheMightyQuinn on January 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Sad to see otherwise intelligent folks taking a buffoon like this guy seriously. Publicity stunt by PJM. Nothing more or less. Joe’s an idiot. I’d love to see a “conservative” blogger with actual reporting bonda fides reporting on this story on a regular basis, but to send over this clown is embarrassing. His 15 minutes should have been up about two months ago.

dakine on January 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

It’s about getting the message out , the MSM is already broken left. He’s at worst not a bigger idiot than those other “journalists”.
It’s a true war out there , 9/11 part of it , and it should be won how ever divisive that may be.

the_nile on January 12, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Since it seems impossible to get even handed reporting on the Israeli/Hamas confrontation, the Israeli side needs more exposure as it had gotten short shrift from the MSM. If Joe’s going to provide this, I hope all you bloggers out there pick up on it and keep us “posted”.

jeanie on January 12, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Palin/Wurzelbacher 2012?

factoid on January 12, 2009 at 12:39 PM

MrScribbler on January 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I’m sorry, could you define who is the amateur and who is the professional? After reading many MSM articles, I get them confused.

In all seriousness… I don’t give a [bleep] about some self-titled “professional” journalist… that’s NOT what our country was founded on. If you review a little Revolutionary history, you’ll realize that newspapers and journalism sprang up to fill a void. Underground American presses started up to counteract the one-sided accounts in the British-controlled news. Right now, I can see a lot of parallels with blogs and “Joe the Journalist” addressing the one sided propoganda of the MSM. I don’t consider it “unprofessional” (whatever that means) at all… I find it downright American. Sorry if you don’t understand that.

dominigan on January 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Considering that the media has a history of leaking information that they shouldn’t, a plumber may be exactly what they need.

backwoods conservative on January 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I love the fact that JTP is there. I love the fact that people are having an aneurysm over him being there.

I don’t expect any media to be “unbiased” or “fair” because the media has never been that. Even during WWII they softpedalled and reported what their bosses wanted them to.

JTP is giving us a side of the story we rarely get. As in the Israeli side. We get the Israelis being gun wielding maniacs and the poor innocent Hamas members version from the rest of media. JTP is giving us the Israeli side. And it’s about bloody time.

mjk on January 12, 2009 at 12:48 PM

On the other hand, Joe seems ready to make the same mistake that the MSM does, which is picking sides rather than reporting. He’s made it clear that his mission is to tell the Israeli side, which is unfortunately badly needed at this stage. At least he’s honest about that, but it doesn’t make him that much better than his mainstream media peers.

FAIL! His statement is as leading as any question gurgled out by any of the typical MSMers. A lot of you are just like liberals; you want your press to feed your preconceived notions.

Get real.

The Race Card on January 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Nearly direct parity between Ed and TRC — It’s gonna be a long day at HotAir.

***
For all of you geniuses claiming that dispassionate reporting is not realistic, I recommend you read weather reports, business reports, crime reports, read the obits and quite frankly many of the daily newswire dispatches. It’s as if the only reports that exist are those with which you disagree.

A lot of news gets buried in bias. But more flies right by you unfettered by perceived bias. You gobble it up, blog about it and reference as proof of your contentions with no mention of bias. You can’t have it both ways.

I repeat. You are no different than liberals in wanting needing your perspective codified and regurgitated. Facts mean nothing to you unless they reinforce your ideas.

Heath Ledger has much competition in here.

The Race Card on January 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

The Race Card on January 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

DMY, darling. The reporting of Israel has never been dispassionate. And it never will be.

But if you think Israelis are nothing but a bunch of gun wielding psychotics and the Palestinians are nothing but a bunch of flower gathering innocents, then CNN and MSNBC are for you.

Again, DMY. Believe whatever the h*ll you want. It’s not skin off my nose.

mjk on January 12, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Objective reporting has never, and will never exist.

NOBODY reports just the facts and all the facts.

All I want is transparency in the reporters opinions.

Clark1 on January 12, 2009 at 12:19 PM

It is, frankly, idiotic to imagine that it’s even theoretically possible for any reporter to be “unbiased” about any political issue.

The only distinction is that the vast majority of liberal reporters constantly, massively and systematically LIE about their bias; and most conservatives don’t. And that’s about as big as the difference between night and day.

logis on January 12, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Instead of reporting objectively, too many of them seem interested in passing along badly-made Hamas propaganda (CNN and BBC) than to exercise some sort of editorial control over their own content. In their world, Israel is perpetually the aggressor and the terrorists perpetually the victim.

What rubbish. The reporters are reporting on what is going on in Southern Israel. They are feeding propaganda from both sides and have not painted Israel as the perpetual aggressor as you suggest. There is little sympathy for Hamas in any CNN or BBC coverage.

lexhamfox on January 12, 2009 at 12:56 PM

So we need to see the media fairly and without bias represent the terrorists’ side of things too. Gotcha.

Mike H on January 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM

There is little sympathy for Hamas in any CNN or BBC coverage.

Which explains the fake CPR being given to the Palestinian child on CNN, the same story that disappeared when they were called on it.

Bishop on January 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Heath Ledger has much competition in here.
The Race Card on January 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

In at least one case, so does Tom Cruise.

Bishop on January 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM

I repeat. You are no different than liberals in wanting needing your perspective codified and regurgitated. Facts mean nothing to you unless they reinforce your ideas.

Heath Ledger has much competition in here.

The Race Card on January 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Well , then it might become “fair and balanced” then, but remember Joe doesn’t pretend he’s not bias. The MSM is running a false flag.

the_nile on January 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Facts mean nothing to you unless they reinforce your ideas.

Heath Ledger has much competition in here.

The Race Card on January 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Why would you want to be balanced to present the side of terrorists. Do you know what you are saying?

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Sad to see otherwise intelligent folks taking a buffoon like this guy seriously. Publicity stunt by PJM. Nothing more or less. Joe’s an idiot. I’d love to see a “conservative” blogger with actual reporting bonda fides reporting on this story on a regular basis, but to send over this clown is embarrassing. His 15 minutes should have been up about two months ago.

dakine on January 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Totally agree. And his first dispatch, making money reporting that there shouldn’t be any reporting, well, that sort of speaks for itself.

okonkolo on January 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM

RaceCard, tell me where you live, I’ll fire some rockets your way.

/

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Palin/Wurzelbacher 2012?

factoid on January 12, 2009 at 12:39 PM

btw, that was voted the dream GOP ticket of 2012…by DailyKos readers.

okonkolo on January 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

That anybody gives a sh1t about anything Joe the Plumber has to say is truly amazing. He’s on his second undeserved 15 minutes.

He thinks journalists shouldn’t be allowed to cover war. What a colossal idiot.

Dave Rywall on January 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM

He thinks journalists shouldn’t be allowed to cover war. What a colossal idiot.

Dave Rywall on January 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Down troll.

Journalists can cover war. Enemies should not.

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Totally agree. And his first dispatch, making money reporting that there shouldn’t be any reporting, well, that sort of speaks for itself.

okonkolo on January 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Well , was he?

the_nile on January 12, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Why are you leftist trolls so worked up about Joe?

What bothers you about normal people asking reasonable questions?

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Palin/Wurzelbacher 2012?

factoid on January 12, 2009 at 12:39 PM

btw, that was voted the dream GOP ticket of 2012…by DailyKos readers.

okonkolo on January 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Yeah , just imagine what a huge deficit those amateurs would rack up.No , let the elite handle that , you know.

the_nile on January 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Love U Ed, but why can’t we get some news that is slanted toward Israel? For Christ’s sake the drive-bys prostrate themselves to the murderous Pali’s and their support system from Iran to the UN to the Euros? Give me a freaking break. There is NO more non-biased media, it finally succumbed witht their promotion of the affirmative action president.
GO Joe, you the man!

stu.b.con on January 12, 2009 at 1:25 PM

“At least he’s honest about that (his bias), but it doesn’t make him that much better than his mainstream media peers.”

Yes it does. It makes him infinitely better than the mainstream media.

Because they are blatant shills, but masquerade as objective reporters. That is THE ENTIRE PROBLEM WITH THE MSM. They are completely entitled to their opinions, like Hannity and O’Reilly, et al. The problem comes about because they lie about their bias.

And Joe isn’t lieing.

So he is ethical, and they are not.

notagool on January 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Down troll.

Journalists can cover war. Enemies should not.

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 1:19 PM
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You’re about as smart as Joe. Congratulations.

Dave Rywall on January 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Bishop on January 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Care to explain how that shows bias for Hamas?

lexhamfox on January 12, 2009 at 1:30 PM

You’re about as smart as Joe. Congratulations.

Dave Rywall on January 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Run out of logic, dave? Namecalling while you hide behind your keyboard?

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

On the other hand, Joe seems ready to make the same mistake that the MSM does, which is picking sides rather than reporting.

So, telling the truth is picking sides? Moral equivalency? Disproportionate response?

Johan Klaus on January 12, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Run out of logic, dave? Namecalling while you hide behind your keyboard?

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM
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I invite you to go read what Joe the Vacant said about journalism and war. He’s incredibly stupid. The last place he belongs is on television where his stupidity can spread.

Dave Rywall on January 12, 2009 at 1:40 PM

dave, dave, dave, more name calling?

try some logic dave

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Here you go. The amazing stupid thoughts of Joe the Plumber:

“I’ll be honest with you. I don’t think journalists should be anywhere allowed war. I mean, you guys report where our troops are at. You report what’s happening day to day. You make a big deal out of it. I think it’s asinine. You know, I liked back in World War I and World War II when you’d go to the theater and you’d see your troops on, you know, the screen and everyone would be real excited and happy for’em. Now everyone’s got an opinion and wants to downer–and down soldiers. You know, American soldiers or Israeli soldiers.

I think media should be abolished from, uh, you know, reporting. You know, war is hell. And if you’re gonna sit there and say, “Well look at this atrocity,” well you don’t know the whole story behind it half the time, so I think the media should have no business in it.”

Dave Rywall on January 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I invite you to go read what Joe the Vacant said about journalism and war. He’s incredibly stupid. The last place he belongs is on television where his stupidity can spread.

That’s like decrying the act of putting a psychotic in the insane asylum because he might spread his madness to the other inmates.

“Fake but accurate.” ‘Nuff said.

Bishop on January 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Care to explain how that shows bias for Hamas?
lexhamfox on January 12, 2009 at 1:30 PM

You’re kidding, right?

Bishop on January 12, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I’ll be honest with you. I don’t think journalists should be anywhere allowed war. I mean, you guys report where our troops are at. You report what’s happening day to day. You make a big deal out of it. I think it’s asinine.

dave, you think reporting on troop movements is OK?

Try more logic on me. This is going to easy.

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Evidently Mr. Ed pulled a MSM Drive By thread here…

Get’s things fired up, then runs for cover when “his” friends here go ape poop over his statments. Heck with defending poorly concieved ideas or opinions. Just state false “facts”, color things with a narrow stroke and go hide and watch the mess unfold. I guess me and the others that want to stand and fight Liberal MSM BS rather then bash the good guys will be defending you and others of your ilk in the streets of America while you run and hide from our enemies both foreign and domestic. That’s cool, we Conservatives have broad shoulders. Bring it on…

Mark Garnett on January 12, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Ed,

Being unbiased about this conflict requires you take Joe’s approach. Being even handed in this instance is immoral. The media’s and now your lack of courage and clarity is what requires Israel to be tortured, and consequently, Palestinians to be killed.

bagoh20 on January 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

When I was in Nam, I had to babysit a reporter……. I couldn’t get that asshat out of my sight fast enough, a liar on reporting, a troublemaker, and a threat to my platoon’s safety. No”‘reporters”….. Joe is right. I hold others in our culture to the same standard… unless you actually fought…. there is quite a bit you don’t understand and know.

MNDavenotPC on January 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM

At least we’ll for once get the other side, instead of the side of a gazillion jackass parroting the same post-modern, group think, prefabricated idiocy.

NoDonkey on January 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM

What an embarassment. How can anyone take PJM seriously after this?

Now if Hotair sent Allahpundit to cover Gaza, that would be worthwhile…

Enrique on January 12, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I hear that Fox is sending Tito the Builder to Afghanistan tomorrow. I look forward to him ‘esplaining’ what’s going on over there.

Vernon Hardapple on January 12, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Now if Hotair sent Allahpundit to cover Gaza, that would be worthwhile…

Enrique on January 12, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I wouldn’t wish that on poor AP.

TheUnrepentantGeek on January 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Ed,

We need more honest reporting and less slanted propaganda.

So, Ed, you are saying Joe did dishonest reporting and was spouting propaganda?

You believe that a terror organization should have their side reported?

Is this April 1st?

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 2:59 PM

You want the truth?!? You can’t handle the truth!!!

Mark Garnett on January 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM

We need more honest reporting and less slanted propaganda.

No we and our allies need to start winning wars that we fight not letting the media lose the wars for us. If that takes tooting our our horns then so be it.

Name one war in the last 40 years that the press has blessed as a good war? there are none because the press is anti-war. they will always side with the weaker army and since the USa is always the stronger the press will always be against the USA.

We need more people like JTP that says he is for us and our allies to win. And then writes and reports on those victories. How many americian soldiers lives would have been saved if we had people like JTP in the early stages of the Iraq war. How many soldiers would have been saved if we had a press that was pro americian. Would Yon’s words not been heeded faster if the knee jerk reaction to the press is that they want us to lose?

unseen on January 12, 2009 at 3:14 PM

I think Bill has this correct. We need more honest reporting and less slanted propaganda. Bill, Michael Yon, Michael Totten, and Bill Ardolino manage to do the former — and we’re grateful for it. Joe should set his sights higher.

Yup, Ed, you are correct. Damn, it is painful to agree with Drywall on anything, but he finally makes sense on something. PJM stepped on their appendage big time on this one.

a capella on January 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM

But if you think Israelis are nothing but a bunch of gun wielding psychotics and the Palestinians are nothing but a bunch of flower gathering innocents, then CNN and MSNBC are for you.

Again, DMY. Believe whatever the h*ll you want. It’s not skin off my nose.

mjk on January 12, 2009 at 12:53 PM

You have no idea what I believe. But you are willing to make assumptions just because I would rather have fact-based reporting.

I concede that WOT coverage is shoddy at best as handled by the major networks. I tend to agree with JTP. That does not mean I want him reporting the news. He’d be great to have over for steak and beer. But calling this “reporting” is a load of crap. There are better citizen reporters commenting here at HotAir.

Your predetermination of beliefs I have not expressed gives clear insight into your need for affirmation from news reports.

***
Faraway, your threat is lame. If you’re going to talk tough, at least make it interesting. How about this? Buy a plane ticket to So Cal. I’ll pick you up at the airport (LAX, LB, John Wayne or Burbank) myself. First, I’ll buy you a drink and show you around. Then, we can sort out what’s talk and what’s real. You can show me just how big your “rockets” are.

That is a standing offer. I’m sure you will refuse. When you threaten a man, you better be ready to back it up. Chickenshit.

The Race Card on January 12, 2009 at 3:20 PM

The Race Card on January 12, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I think you should also offer to buy the plane ticket since this is the internet.

a capella on January 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Race card, stay away from the meds.

faraway on January 12, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Good post Race Card. faraway shows himself to be a lightweight tool with just about every one of his lame posts.

dakine on January 12, 2009 at 4:17 PM

The Race Card on January 12, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Well, given that you’re not likely to get fact based reporting any time soon (read, in this lifetime) is it really so wrong to have an agreeable celebrity reporter spinning things a different direction?

TheUnrepentantGeek on January 12, 2009 at 4:32 PM

But I consider all this a cheap shot by Pajamas Media, one that degrades their product and brings them down to the level of the MSM reporters who act like untrained amateurs.

I thought the raison d’être of Pyjamas Media – “a bunch of people sitting around in their pyjamas” – is to provide news from a citizen journalist (amateur) perspective? Joe the Plumber fits that ethos and as as long as he is upfront about his bias what’s the problem?

aengus on January 12, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Joe the Plumber is an average Joe citizen like all of us. He isn’t someone like Michael Yon who is an actual reporter in war zones. The guy was a plumber who asked the Messiah the only tough question that he’s had to answer. I don’t begrudge him the money or the experience and think that we’re going to see more Joe the Plumber types with certain slants out there. At least he’s honest about being a conservative. I’d wish that MSNBC and CNN would be honest about being liberal.

Illinidiva on January 12, 2009 at 11:08 PM

The proper response to mainstream journalists not acting professionally is not to bring in an amateur on your side.

I agree. Let’s send more people to school to learn how to read an effing teleprompter. That’ll be sure to teach a whole generation of “journalists” to be good at reading sh!t other people write for them.

Look, I don’t know if JTP is going to be a good correspondent or not. But calling him an amateur because, why? He didn’t go to J-school? Thank God for small favors. Or is it because he wasn’t a call center manager in a prior life? Because goodness knows that that is the BEST training for a budding journalist.

Oh sorry. Was that insulting to the author of this post? Good. You want to criticize how JTP does his job? Fine. You want to criticize him for actually admitting his bias? Fine. You want to call him amateurish for admitting that bias up front, rather than pretending that he’s objective, as most in the MSM are wont to do? Or call him an amateur because, well, he didn’t manage a call center, too? Not fine.

Ed, I’ve been reading your stuff for years, but this post is a big steaming pile. It embodies the worst nose in the air, holier than thou attitude that permeates the MSM. Pretending that typing what you actually see is something that requires great skill, training or education is just plain stupid. Saying it well is, of course, another matter entirely. Feel free to complain about that. But seriously, having a former call center manager bitch about the amateurishness of someone jumping into the deep end of reporting about current events is something so profoundly ridiculous that I actually checked to make certain that today wasn’t April 1.

Physics Geek on January 13, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Remind me again — celebrated journalist Edward R. Murrow wasn’t cheer-leading the British (and later the Americans) during WW2 was he?

Part criticism of Joe seems based on the fact that he simply doing for the Israelis what CNN and the BBC does for the Pelstinian entity and the Hamas terrorists.

Now who’s being dumb here. Suddenly Joe the Plumber is being held to a higher standard than international so–called “news” organizations?

Get this: the aforementioned “professionals” are NOT going to change thier partisan biased commentary masquerading as news.

We are NOT going to change that either. And while I hate to disagree with someone as talented as Roggio, but he talking bollocks.

He uses the oldest trick in the book in telling us what HE SAYS Joe is REALLY saying. Then he attacks and “spells outs” to the strawman he just created.

Jack Bauer on January 13, 2009 at 5:31 AM

So Ed… Not ANY support for your position this time around. Thread sucked, you were wrong, move along… And zero defense of your position… Nice…

Mark Garnett on January 13, 2009 at 7:31 AM

But seriously, having a former call center manager bitch about the amateurishness of someone jumping into the deep end of reporting about current events is something so profoundly ridiculous that I actually checked to make certain that today wasn’t April 1.

Physics Geek on January 13, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Maybe you should re-read my post. I never said a word about his “amateurishness”, but his criticism of reporters for being biased while declaring that he would employ his own biases. I have the same criticism of the reporting coming out of this conflict, but sending JTP there to employ another set of biases is the wrong prescription. And that certainly doesn’t give Joe the standing to deliver a lecture on how to provide war coverage.

We need reliable information, not competing propaganda outlets. That’s the real issue.

Why not hire Yon, Totten, Ardolino, or Johannes — hard-nosed and fair war correspondents who don’t employ bias and can actually lecture reporters on how to cover a war?

Ed Morrissey on January 13, 2009 at 8:13 AM

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