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Anglo-American alliance fraying?

posted at 10:54 am on January 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Not according to Michael Yon, who should know, as he embeds with both routinely in his war reporting.  Despite some speculative columns on both sides of the pond about rivalries between the militaries of the US and UK and questions about the effectiveness of British units, both sides have deep respect for their allies in arms — and for good reason:

The words imply that the US-UK relationship is fraying.  This is untrue as seen from the foxholes I am constantly in.  I have embedded with numerous British units in Iraq and Afghanistan, and have seen combat with all of those units.  Maybe five or so.  The units included 2 Rifles, 4 Rifles, Queen’s Royal Lancers, Duke of Lancaster’s, 2 Para, and I believe perhaps a couple more though there was much going on and it’s difficult to remember.

What I can say, is that the significant combat I saw with British soldiers made me respect them more with each battle.  Yes, it’s true their gear needs serious upgrading.  The British government needs to spend billions to upgrade the hardware.  But when it comes to the soldier, British soldiers are extremely well-trained, courageous and ready for a big firefight at the drop of a hat.  Our brothers and sisters are vastly outnumbered at Helmand Province in Afghanistan.  I think about them several times a day and am concerned that they might take serious losses this year.

When the question comes up about what Americans think about our closest ally, I ask MANY American soldiers what they think of the British.  There are mixed opinions of course, but the bottom line is that American combat veterans greatly respect British soldiers.  The British just need better gear.

Decisions made by British military leadership in two arenas have given rise to some of the talk about hard feelings and resentment.  The capture of more than a dozen Royal Navy personnel by Iran and the apparent capitulation by the UK for their release, staged beautifully for propaganda purposes by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was one such event.  That was more of a one-off, though, and created enough of a political problem in the UK that it’s not likely to be repeated.

More significantly, two strategic errors by the British in the last two years helped undermine confidence in their military.  The truce approach in Helmand with the Taliban created serious questions as to whether the British really understood the conflict in Afghanistan.  In the latter case, NATO replaced that leadership and began using much more aggressive strategy and tactics, creating a significant setback for the Taliban. In Basra, the Brits more or less retreated in the face of Moqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army and allowed them to take control of the south of Iraq for years.  Nouri al-Maliki had to militarily wrest control away from Sadr this year, and he didn’t even bother to keep the Brits informed of the action.

In both cases, though, that had much more to do with political decisions rather than military strategy.  The Brits in Afghanistan took their cues from the Afghans themselves, who want reconciliation rather than a generation of civil war; they just took it too far.  In Iraq, the British government wouldn’t (or more accurately, couldn’t) provide the number of troops it would have taken to secure Basra and the south the way the Americans eventually — after a number of mistakes ourselves — secured the west and the central parts of Iraq.  Instead of withdrawing entirely, as other nations did, the British tried working with “local” forces to provide some sort of security, but the result was the reign of terror from the Sadrists for most of the last five years.

Even the best military forces can only perform as well as their political leadership allows.  When we criticize the errors made by British strategists, we have to acknowledge at the same time their tenacity in sticking with the missions in Afghanistan and especially Iraq despite the global disapproval of those efforts.  Other nations, such as Spain, didn’t show that kind of fortitude and brotherhood with the US.  And when British troops do engage, they show why they remain one of the world’s premiere fighting forces — and why we are fortunate indeed to have them as brothers in arms when the need arises.


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The British government needs to spend billions to upgrade the hardware.

But, instead, they are spending the money on heating subsidies and a very generous welfare state, including large monthly payments to muslim clerics who are signing up jihadists in England itself. Interesting times, indeed.

Vashta.Nerada on January 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Maybe brit military and US military will team up some day for a little nation building closer to home, before both are shut down.

JiangxiDad on January 12, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I have discussed the Blackwatch with some English folks they pointed me to this. English Calverts who knew some of the folks involved first hand.

http://www.stannswarehouse.org/current_season.php?show_id=9

Dr Evil on January 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands,
hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
H. L. Mencken

izoneguy on January 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Dalton Fury, author of “Kill bin Laden” was the Detla Force commander in charge of the seige of Tora Bora in Dec. ‘01. He says in his book that he had some SBS commandos (Brit Seals) with him and they were badass dudes. If a D-boy says they kick azz, well that’s good enough for me.

Tony737 on January 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM

It probably just reflects the Brits being wary of what Obama will do. My guess is once Hillary takes over state things will be back to normal.

kanda on January 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM

The British soldiers arent the problem, its the government. Unless the British people rise up and take back their country, their wont be a United Kingdom to ally with, it will be a United Kaliphate.

Elric66 on January 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM

He says in his book that he had some SBS commandos (Brit Seals) with him and they were badass dudes. If a D-boy says they kick azz, well that’s good enough for me.

Tony737 on January 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM

I used to drink with an old boy that served back in the formative days of the SBS. To much alcohol and nightmares had rendered him a tad unstable, but he was a cast-iron specimen of raw manliness.

LimeyGeek on January 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

The Brit public appears to be hypersensitized to the point of fantasy regarding their wartime casualties, translating to government policies and military strategy aimed more at fighting not to lose, than fighting to win. This is exaggerated by their vocal Muslim citizenry, which manipulates public opinion masterfully. From what I’ve observed, the rank and file fighting men are superb.

a capella on January 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

I agree totally of winning wars politically, which has been our greatest weakness. As a Viet Nam veteran I will be the first to tell you that we lost the war politically, not militarily. The 1968 Tet offensive that brought LBJ to his knees, begging the North Vietnamese for truce, was a military disaster for our enemies, and, if LBJ would have had the stones of George Bush it would have been turned to our advantage and the outcome would have been different.

DL13 on January 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Thanks for this post Ed. My brother is with the Royal Marines in Helmand, and believe me they are both kicking ass and taking casualties.

Going into Iraq and Afghanistan, the Brits and Americans had different ways of doing things due to their past experiences – the Brits were particularly informed by their time in Northern Ireland. Both had some good ideas and some not-so-good ones, and both have learned from each other, and from their mistakes.

The biggest political problem for the Brits was that while Bush stuck to his guns, Blair was a lame duck at the time things were going badly, and his successor, Brown, wanted out of Iraq, so there was no effective leadership. For the time being Brown remains committed to Afghanistan.

What happens next depends largely on Obama, and I’m worried. Given that he can’t afford, or will renege on, most of his domestic promises to the left, he may decide to throw his devotees a bone in the form of going soft on Afghanistan.

Like me, my brother is a huge admirer of Bush and his vision, and although he wears the British uniform he signed up as much for the US as he did for the UK. He is more than a little concerned about what the Obama strategy will be.

EnglishMike on January 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM

To paraphase, I’d rather have an ill equipped Brit soldier beside me than a fully equipped Frenchie behind me.

Zorg on January 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM

When yer wounded and dyin’ on Afghanistan’s plain
And the women come out to cut up what remains
Just roll on yer rifle and blow out yer brains
And go to your Gawd like a sojer

Rudyard Kipling

The “Thin Red Line” stands as strong as it did during Kipling’s time. God bless the British soldier.

sdd on January 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

To paraphase, I’d rather have an ill equipped Brit soldier beside me than a fully equipped Frenchie behind me.

Zorg on January 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Clearly you haven’t met any legionnaires…

LimeyGeek on January 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

In the end, we are both democracies, and in democracies, the army is subordinate to the civilian government. All of the problems outlined in Ed’s post can be traced back to this key fact.

That fact will become more apparent in the coming months here in the USA as well, as politics begins to trump everything militarily wise.

unclesmrgol on January 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

The alliance is not fraying on the military side, it’s fraying on the political side.

If the politicians no longer have the will to deploy the military, it does not matter how well the two militaries work together.

MarkTheGreat on January 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Clearly you haven’t met any legionnaires…

LimeyGeek on January 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

By definition, legionaires aren’t French. They are paid by the French, but they aren’t French.

MarkTheGreat on January 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

unclesmrgol on January 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Well said.

a capella on January 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

The “BRITS” have become a useless as France

HAGGS99 on January 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM

By definition, legionaires aren’t French. They are paid by the French, but they aren’t French.

MarkTheGreat on January 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

No. It is very much a part of the French military, with plenty of French servicemen.

The French Foreign Legion has a very interesting history.
Not a bad summary

LimeyGeek on January 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Its the political side of things, most notably the current Labour government and also the simple fact that the UK is becoming part of teh EU, against many of its people wishes…

TrueBrit on January 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Zorg on January 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM
From the Same Yon link Ed posts above:

Strangely, both the British and American officers give high praise to the French. The French actually will fight like mad dogs, they say.

Please excuse me if I trust them rather than you…

Dawnsblood on January 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Great to hear from Yon.

It’s so easy to look at Red Ken the butt-boy of London, and hear the Londonistan stories and read the court decisions that sound like something Columbia sophomores would think up, and believe that Britain has turned into a worthless shithole.

But underneath all that crap is still the country that essentially birthed western democratic thought, and the desire for true freedom. They are our societal ancestors, and have been a uniquely great people.

Admittedly, they are not without flaws.

Jaibones on January 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Admittedly, they are not without flaws.

Jaibones on January 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM

I’ll not cast the first stone….

LimeyGeek on January 12, 2009 at 1:43 PM

The British, French and Germans all produce excellent soldiers. So do the Americans. I don’t think it is helpful to criticize allies soldiers during wartime. I have served alongside British French and German professionals and they are all extremely capable and professional.

lexhamfox on January 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Well the French Foriegn Legion is unique – brave they are. However, I would argue their whole purpose for existing is to allow the French government to employ them in situations where it’s politically unacceptable to put Frenchmen. I have a SERIOUS problem with any government that does that. Imagine the U.S. forming a “foriegn legion” of Mexicans and then sending them around the world to participate in unpopular military actions. No – in the U.S. we send our own sons and daughters and deal with the issues and the unpopularity head on. THAT is the honorable way to deal with those things.

HondaV65 on January 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I don’t think the American right has realised what a threat the EU poses to our relationship yet. I hope the next Republican administration will make it a foreign policy objective to peel the UK away from the EU. If they don’t, the alliance will die by default, as Britain will lose control of its foreign policy, and that means effectively of its military.

thedarknight on January 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM

HondaV65 on January 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM

You misunderstand the Legion. It is not comprised of only foreigners. It was developed to allow foreigners an opportunity to serve France and (perhaps) become French citizens. There are plenty of Frenchmen in the Legion – probably more than the ‘official’ stats, as you can enlist under an assumed identity/nationality.

The Legion represents France in everything it does.

LimeyGeek on January 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM

@ a capella

I think you overestimate the effect of our casualties. The real downturn in public opinion came during the bad years in Iraq, 04-06, when the endless atrocities in Iraq against Iraqis decided many people’s opinions on the war. Although people are extremely proud of our soldiers – much, much more so than before these wars – we accept casualties as inevitable in war. It causes a lot of sadness, but the arguments in the UK are more about the causes of the war, whether it was necessary, and whether we were lied to.

As for Muslims, I think that if we had a democratic government many would be lynched. The fact that the government seems on their side is due to the fact they’re socialists and therefore PC. As soon as the Conservatives get in, things will change.

thedarknight on January 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM

@ LimeyGeek on January 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM

No I fully understand that many in the French Foriegn Legion are actually Frenchmen (for instance, all Commissioned Officers of the Legion are Frenchmen). However – they do not comprise the majority of the Legion.

It is interesting to me that the French are one of the few countries who do this. The U.S. has accepted foriegn nationals in the past – for instance Fillipinos – but that “list” of forien nationals has always been small and those foriengn nationals were integrated into our own units.

The French however – openly recruit from just about any nationality – and these legionaires are given “anonymity” – which encourages a certain sort of individual to sign on. The kind of individual who is “disposable” – or one that no one really cares about if he gets blown up in some unpopular military adventure. And if you look at the way the Legion has been employed over the years – you’ll find them in the middle of every unpopular military action France has ever gotten involved in.

This is NOT a coincidence.

HondaV65 on January 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

If they continue to retreat in London we can fold their Seals that escape into ours.

snaggletoothie on January 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

HondaV65 on January 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

There’s a lot of ‘myth & romance’ surrounding the Legion too.

LimeyGeek on January 12, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Clearly you haven’t met any legionnaires…

Ah, but they’re the French Foreign Legion. They’re not French, so the Frenchies don’t mind spending their lives.

I R A Darth Aggie on January 13, 2009 at 12:58 PM

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