The “Progressives” and far left Liberals have WON the fight.

they should “sacrifice” at the same level as the rest of us.

notagool on January 12, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Addendum; My comment about garbage charges wasn’t meant to be inane. It was merely meant as an example. I have lived under varying systems and ,currently, under a system where a greater amount of garbage is covered by Bin Charge. If you have more than the average amount of garbage, as I do, you pay for another bin, and the emptying thereof.

notagool on January 12, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Yes, I agree with your numbers, but I will have to stay on the other side of the equation when it comes to cause. Yes, the rich could clear the debt, but why should they pay for more than their fair share of it. The debt is pretty much worldwide, because the world caused it. Many people have been too greedy in their quest for unearned benefits, and it’s just too easy to say let the rich fix the problem.

We pay too much in tax because government has grown well beyond its original purview. It wasn’t the rich who caused this – it was us.

If they did, the economic crisis would disappear instantly.

The top 100,000 families in the control have assets of 15 to 20 trillion dollars. If they paid only only 5% per year, it would be about equal to the income tax all of the rest of us pay. You and I are paying 25% or more on what we have, so 5% would be a small % for them.

But they never will. They bought the election for Obama.

they should “sacrifice” at the same level as the rest of us.

notagool on January 12, 2009 at 7:32 PM

My point, exactly! The problem is, we pay too much tax. I have always been of the opinion that tax is evil, but fees for service are not. A service has a value – even defense, and I don’t think a rich person’s life is worth more, in human terms, than mine. We should both pay the same amount.

Did you notice that his tax plan, which devastates entrepreneurs, will not touch the mega-rich in any way? Gee, I wonder why that is?

Frankly, I have nothing against wealthy people. But when I see that they are paying less than 1% in taxes while I pay 25% and up, I say enough is enough.

For those of them who invest and take risks, my comments do not apply. For the far greater % who are living off the wealth their daddy’s gave them or who now hoard and cheat because they got lucky and made a billion, they should “sacrifice” at the same level as the rest of us.

notagool on January 12, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Two things.

First, one of us doesn’t understand the term “Liberal”. Now, if you had labeled me as Attila the Hun, you would be close to the mark.

Second, The “illegality” mentioned is only so because Leftist edicts have made it so. Said edicts don’t make it right, merely legal theft.

Well, considering that they pay taxes between 1/100th and 1/1000th on a percentage basis of what I pay, and that their garbage is a heckuva lot more than my garbage……they should pay a heckuva lot more than they are paying now.

You liberals are GREAT at playing class warfare against people making 125K to 250K a year, but you squeal like little piggies when somebody points out that your big-time parasitic fat-cat do-nothing lib money-men are the ones skating through for free.

They control 25% of the country’s wealth you know, and pay less than 1% of the taxes. And most of that is by people like Buffet and Gates, who do invest. The Kennedy’s and Kerry’s don’t invest in anything. They hide their money in land and offshore illegally tax-free accounts.

And one last point, my liberal friend, Bush’s tax cuts have absolutely nothing to do with this. The system for the do-nothing Kennedy fat-cats has been around for decades.

notagool on January 12, 2009 at 2:33 PM

So, how much should a rich person pay to have their garbage taken away, compared to someone such as yourself?

One of the mantras of the old Socialists was that if a person earned ten times more than the average, that person should pay ten times the tax. Naturally, that is stupid.

notagool on January 12, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I am not a ‘liberal’.

So now we know whay you flail so to defend the indefensible.

By the way, do you have a single data point to defend your opinions? Or like all liberals is just “feeling” something enough for you.

Where should we look for the golden calf?

You want us to sacrifice, Barry? Why don’t you lead by example, and sacrifice that $300K you saved on your mansion into stimulus package? Why don’t you throw in the leftover campaign money while you’re at it?

The Candidate of Change! R. I. P., 11 / 4 / 2008.

notagool on January 12, 2009 at 2:33 PM

I am not a ‘conservative’, and you are not lucid.

No, they contribute far less than average people.

Therea Kerry in 2003 paid $627,150 dollars in taxes on a reported income of $5 million dollars, yet her fortune was estimated at $1 Trillion dollars by the WSJ. So she paid 12.7% of her reported income, which was 1/2% of her estate.

You seem to believe that is “far more” than fair, since she is a capitalis “investor”, like the value creators in Atlas Shrugged.

Did you know that average corporate dividends at that time were about 2% of share prices? So if she was “invested” in corporations, she would have declared about $20M in dividend income alone, if her fortune was invested in businesses. She actually declared 5M in income. And since the broad stock market went up 26% that year, shouldn’t she have been declaring a tiny fraction, at least, of capital gains. Well sir, she couldn’t have more than $3M in gains, because her capital gains tax rate was 20%. So where is any evidence whatsoever of her “investing” in businesses at all. On the other hand, if she were fully invested in Munical Bonds, a mere $15M in bonds would have created her entire “income”.

No, her tax return itself shows that she doesn’t invest. She is probably a tax cheat and certainly a parasite, as are the Kennedy’s, and most of the people in the elite. And again, since it’s been a long time since you read it, Atlas Shrugs is about entrepreneurs who take risks to create goods and services but are stymied by idiotic government beurocrats like John Kerry. Madame Kerry, as I’ve said, is the thwarter, not the risk-taker, as evidenced by her tax return and her husband’s politics.

And you, limey, are the naif who defends her. Her “class” loves silly “conservatives” like you because you work overtime to enable them, based on a book you don’t understand. It’s almost as if Alinsky was writing about you. The Communists call people like you “useful idiots”.

If they paid 5% of their estates annually, which is far below what we pay

You pay 0% of your ‘estate’. You are advocating theft, pure & simple. They contribute far more to the government revenue stream than any individual.

Atlas Shrugged is about entrepreneurs who compete in a free economy, which in turn lifts the standard of living for everybody.

No it isn’t. In fact, it’s almost the exact opposite.

Maybe you should re-read it.

You really should. Concentrate hard.