Michelle: Bush “pre-socialized” the economy for Obama

posted at 1:59 pm on January 8, 2009 by Allahpundit

A point you’ll doubtless hear made by Democrats come 2010 if, as expected, the stimulus hasn’t done much stimulating. TARP’s failure has already left the GOP trapped on the deck with Barry O; to the extent that McConnell et al. end up opposing the new bill, it’s just their way of making a late dash for the lifeboats.

Note the point about generational theft, too. The One dropped this near the end of this morning’s speech:

That’s why I’m asking Congress to work with me and my team day and night, on weekends if necessary, to get the plan passed in the next few weeks. That’s why I’m calling on all Americans – Democrats and Republicans – to put good ideas ahead of the old ideological battles; a sense of common purpose above the same narrow partisanship; and insist that the first question each of us asks isn’t “What’s good for me?” but “What’s good for the country my children will inherit?”

Exit quotation: “Bottom line: Obama’s prescription for economic pain will at most be useless in encouraging short-term growth, while ensuring anemic longer-term growth for the next decade (and beyond) at the expense of Obama’s kids and my kids and yours.”


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You had me at hello gimme yo’ dough!

Way to spank ‘em Michelle.

omnipotent on January 8, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Ugh.

therightwinger on January 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM

YEP, Agree with Michelle, (as usual).

Bush has ruined his potentially decent ‘legacy’ with his support for this bailout crap; 0bama is only going to make it horribly worse, but everyone will be able to blame Bush for destroying the American economy.

0bama may pave the 12 lane superhighway to Marxist Hades, but Bush is the guy who surveyed the route.

LegendHasIt on January 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM

You can twitter me anytime, Michelle

Wade on January 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Michelle, please don’t make the mistake of blaming this on Bush – rightly or wrongly.

This $1 trillion deficit MUST be blamed squarely on Obama.

2012 depends on it.

faraway on January 8, 2009 at 2:12 PM

all obama’s scheme is meant to do is increase the POWER of government over every aspect of our lives…

all those democrat morons who think he ‘cares’ about them…laughable…

the dollar will be worthless in a few years…no one will want it….and the US will be the USSA…things are going to get ugly…

right4life on January 8, 2009 at 2:12 PM

You think Obama actually cares whether any of this works or not? He’s got the job, that was his goal. He’s the First Black President and will have his place in U.S. history no matter what happens. If things get worse he will just play the race card to stifle all criticism.

rockmom on January 8, 2009 at 2:12 PM

We can all thank John McCain for this chaos. As de facto leader of the party this Fall, McCain should have stood up against the bailout and unified Republican opposition to it. Instead, he worked with the pantywaists in the Senate to completely stymie the House GOP, most of whom virulently opposed the bailout and had the political foresight to try and come up with an alternative plan. So now, the GOP is forever tethered to bailoutopolooza.

Remember also that Obama isn’t doing a “bailout” for “corporate America:” he’s doing a stimulus package of direct government expenditure on roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, and apple pie for Americans!

The GOP better get its act together or we’ll have no chance of ever being a national party again.

Outlander on January 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM

I smell frog boiling.

whitetop on January 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM

0bama may pave the 12 lane superhighway to Marxist Hades, but Bush is the guy who surveyed the route.

LegendHasIt on January 8, 2009 at 2:11 PM

+100 I was thinking the same exact thing on the way to work today, that Mr. Bush made this catastrophy to our country so much easier for the O.

Entelechy on January 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM

“pre-socialized”

That about sums it up right there. The last year has been a rough one economically and much if not most of it wasn’t entirely Bush’s fault but his reaction to it most certainly is.

Yakko77 on January 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM

There’s no doubt that Bush set a very bad precedent that gives at least some cover for Obama and the Dems. But that’s no reason for the GOP to double-down on an economic policy that clearly doesn’t work and can only lead to higher deficits and a longer recession(or God forbid depression).

Stand firm and oppose this stimulus package. Offer an alternative built around tax cuts(the real kind, not welfare checks). Sure, it’ll never be considered much less pass the House or Senate. But this way in 2010 and 2012, they can go to the voters and show them that they were on record from the beginning as having stood up against the economic policies that sank this country deeper into turmoil.

Doughboy on January 8, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Why are the Democrats so against the best stimulis package we have at hand???????????

DRILL HERE DRILL NOW. This would bring in billions of new tax dollars every year.

Rick007 on January 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM

But your AMMO now!!!!!

Rick007 on January 8, 2009 at 2:18 PM

This $1 trillion deficit MUST be blamed squarely on Obama.

2012 depends on it.

That’s a stretch—BHO was just one of a hundred Senators.
It should be blamed on liberalism.

jgapinoy on January 8, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Michelle, please don’t make the mistake of blaming this on Bush – rightly or wrongly.

This $1 trillion deficit MUST be blamed squarely on Obama.

2012 depends on it.

faraway on January 8, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Exactly. Don’t hold us hostage to the venality of the Dems, or the perfidy of the Republicans. Dems don’t “take the blame” for the mortgage mess, even though it’s their doing. Please don’t force us innocent Republicans and Conservatives and Libertarians and Independents to take the blame for the misdeeds of the Republican administration. They took these many financial missteps without our approval, and we will already pay the price for that. Why do we need to pay again by falling on our sword?

JiangxiDad on January 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM

I refuse to vote for ANYONE who votes in favor of this bill.

I don’t care if they’re running against Satan, they’ll not get my damn vote!

omnipotent on January 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM

“whitetop on January 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM”

fyi that’s a myth — no matter how slowly, when it gets hot enough, the frog hops out …

/thereby showing a frog has more intelligence than the majority of congress at the moment!

Buckaroo on January 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM

We (America as a whole, not HA readership) have become so disturbingly SELFISH. The libs always want to paint their efforts as some kind of crusade to help the downtrodden, but it is really just a refusal to live according to one’s means.
I’m special! My mom and my teacher said so! Don’t deny me anything, ‘cuz, like I said, I’m special! Thank you, grandchildren, for recognizing my specialness by accepting all these trillions in debt I ran up.

innominatus on January 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Offer an alternative built around tax cuts(the real kind, not welfare checks).
Doughboy on January 8, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Tax rate cuts is what we need. At least on the upper brackets.
I think there is a good argument that increasing the bottom tax rate and eliminating deductions would also stimulate the economy, but only if you do it in conjunction with reducing welfare and unemployment benefits.

Count to 10 on January 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Michelle need to spend less time bashing Bush and go after Obam and the dems. You can see the dems using the sound bite to their favor.

KBird on January 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM

soooo, W is being pre-emptively blamed for legislation that MIGHT be introduced, passed, and signed into law AFTER he leaves office?!

/that’s a curious variant of bds …

Buckaroo on January 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM

We (America as a whole, not HA readership) have become so disturbingly SELFISH. The libs always want to paint their efforts as some kind of crusade to help the downtrodden, but it is really just a refusal to live according to one’s means.
innominatus on January 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Selfish has little to do with it. Shamelessness (or what ever you would call the equivalent for guilt as opposed to shame) is the problem. If one was selfish, one would go out and earn what one wanted for one’s self. The shameless demand others give it to them for free.

Count to 10 on January 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Another backstabbing b%$/?

Falz on January 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM

opposing the bailout(some form of it anyway) means that politically you are okay with the Dems making Bush the new Hoover and Obama the new FDR. This was their political goal, have tried to put the Hoover label on bush most of his two terms anytime the economy got bad.

Now imagine the ‘do nothing’ route and what would end up happening if Credit really did disapper, plenty of business quit making payroll overnight and so forth. We are talking Marshall Law and riots on the streets in no time, think the Katrina aftermath. What bush did was avoid that and punted the problem to Obama over having chaos as he leaves office.

Bad options all around.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM

keep on kicking him Michelle, that will help our cause… not that I agree with him on bailouts… but he doesn’t even agree with himself on bailouts… but tiring is your constant attacks on a president that has less than 2 weeks left…

Kaptain Amerika on January 8, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Why are the Democrats so against the best stimulis package we have at hand???????????

DRILL HERE DRILL NOW. This would bring in billions of new tax dollars every year.

Rick007 on January 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM

because they are rich, elite(gods), that need a major crisis to save us from and they worship mother Gaia. The elites lifestyles won’t suffer at all, it’ll be the rest of us and then we’ll need to look for a savior, which will be Obama

jp on January 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Generational theft.

the_nile on January 8, 2009 at 2:30 PM

fyi that’s a myth — no matter how slowly, when it gets hot enough, the frog hops out …

Buckaroo on January 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM

No. I meant I’m having frog for lunch. I just had to go turn the stove off.

whitetop on January 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM

opposing the bailout(some form of it anyway) means that politically you are okay with the Dems making Bush the new Hoover and Obama the new FDR. This was their political goal, have tried to put the Hoover label on bush most of his two terms anytime the economy got bad.

Now imagine the ‘do nothing’ route and what would end up happening if Credit really did disapper, plenty of business quit making payroll overnight and so forth. We are talking Marshall Law and riots on the streets in no time, think the Katrina aftermath. What bush did was avoid that and punted the problem to Obama over having chaos as he leaves office.

Bad options all around.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Given that the bailout apparently isn’t doing what it was supposed to do, but yet the problems it was supposed to prevent haven’t appeared, I lean more toward the position that it was a panicked overreaction.
Don’t forget, Hoover paved the way for FDR by overreacting, even though he was demonized as having done too little.

Count to 10 on January 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM

“whitetop on January 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM”

HEH!

Buckaroo on January 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM

I’ve seen were Commercial Paper was indeed drying up quickly for example, and that was reversed. Money Markets dry up, which many business pay salary from, its bad news.

I don’t know, I don’t think any of us know enough and were put into a position of faith on the matter. Alot of insiders in the industry saw a need for much of what was done. Don’t doubt Paulson went too far.

The Smoot Hawley trade tarrifs atleast were not done, if this turns out okay in the end, we’ll know just how important those were to the Great Depression.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Go vote, here. Be patient. Lots of activity. Might take a few tries to load the link.

Entelechy on January 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

It’s stuff like this that makes me glad I’m already broke.

CurtZHP on January 8, 2009 at 2:40 PM

But, Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter never criticize Bush.

Johan Klaus on January 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Hah, Bush was a fluff girl for Obama’s pornographic economic vision!

Alden Pyle on January 8, 2009 at 2:47 PM

because they are rich, elite(gods), that need a major crisis to save us from and they worship mother Gaia. The elites lifestyles won’t suffer at all, it’ll be the rest of us and then we’ll need to look for a savior, which will be Obama

jp on January 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM

They’re not immune either. Look at what happened with Madoff.

Doughboy on January 8, 2009 at 2:48 PM

History may be repeating itself, first as tragedy with Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin in the USSR, and now as farce with George Bush having played the role of Karl Marx and Barack Obama set to play the role of Vladimir Lenin in the USSA?

MB4 on January 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

If I found out tomorrow that Michelle Malkin was on Soros’s payroll I really would not be that shocked. After all, she spends a lot more time complaining about Republicans than she does Democrats. She worked hard to help Republicans lose the hispanic vote. She got a lot of great press when she was doing drive bys of the Frost family home after their little boy went on some radio show for SCHIP. She stated that Bush wanted to sell our ports to terrorists and that he was more loyal to Mexico than the US or something. She hated McCain too if I remember correctly.

And now this.

You know what? We do not know what the economy or the market would be like if Bush had not done what he did. For all MM knows, we might have seen even steeper drops in the market and that would have lead to even greater gains for Democrats. She does not know at all. And besides the people apparently are not in any mood to be taught a lesson, if they were Obama would not have gotten 66 million votes.

Do I think Obama’s stimulus package is too much? Yes, I do. But I am not going to blame Bush for that. But for people like Malkin blaming Bush is a default position.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Rick:

The problem with the drill here drill now thing is that oil companies are actually cutting back on drilling right now. That will not change unless oil prices start to rise again.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 2:50 PM

democrats never sit around and bash Clinton or Carter, though a handful will go as far as to say Carter wasn’t the best but “has been the best ex-president we’ve ever had” which is non-sense.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 2:55 PM

It’s amazing how the man ordained by fate to be steward of 150 million in charitable funds, has his abysmal failure rewarded with trillions more to piss away in similar fashion. The Annenberg Challenge has given us an unexpected new paradigm; instead of Tax and Spend we get Bankrupt and Spend. And thanks to Dubya precedents, Obama will have a free hand. Ben Franklin warned us of this foolishness when he said we had a republic, “if you can keep it.”

Mark30339 on January 8, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Your boss is spot-on.
Too many Repubs and mainstream conservatives are playing by obsolescent rules. eg. “Play nice.”
1. Both Gingrich and Delay were neutered because they underestimated the media power of the dominant liberal culture over other supposed conservatives and moderate allies. Then, Trent Lott was treated shamefully and no lesson was learned.
2. Norm Coleman didn’t know what hit him, in the fairest of the fair, Minnesota.
3. Mitch McConnell doesn’t “get it” either. Benign neglect is treated as weakness by Democrat strategists and power-brokers.

Randy
Meanwhile many conservatives chew on one another: Sarah Palin/Ann Coulter who know it’s time, once again, to stand athwart and yell, “Stop!”

williars on January 8, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Amen to that.

Y-not on January 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM

After all, she spends a lot more time complaining about Republicans than she does Democrats.

Guilty of holding Republicans to a higher standard than Dems? Yes.

She got a lot of great press when she was doing drive bys of the Frost family home after their little boy went on some radio show for SCHIP.

Guilty of reporting on and challenging the sob-story of the Democrats’ universal health care Trojan Horse — a bill that conservatives finally found the spine to kill? Yes.

And oh, that little radio show the Frosts put their kid on was the official Democratic Party rebuttal to President Bush’s weekly radio address.

She stated that Bush wanted to sell our ports to terrorists and that he was more loyal to Mexico than the US or something.

Guilty of taking the national security consequences of Bush’s business decisions and immigration policies seriously? Yes.

She hated McCain too if I remember correctly.

Guilty of considering John McCain a losing candidate? Yes.

We do not know what the economy or the market would be like if Bush had not done what he did.

Guilty of learning from history?

Yes, indeed.

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:04 PM

And something else. I am tired of listening to people yammer about Bush being socialist because of the drug prescription program or TARP or anything else. The older people who use that program are related to the people who complain about it. I work for a health care agency and I have lost count of how many people I have listened to complain about government blah blah blah…when they themselves are middle class people with grannies on medicaid in the nursing home or older parents getting help their $600 a month drug bill or whatever. They never think the programs are there for them.

And right now, after coming up with no alternative other than let them eat cake socalled conservatives like Malkin have managed to blame Obama’s economic policies on Bush.

Back stabbers. Turncoats. They would knock half a dozen Democrats out of the way to be first in line to stab another Republican in the back.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:04 PM

We do not know what the economy or the market would be like if Bush had not done what he did.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

That is not exactly a compelling argument for the government spending like about a gazillion bazillion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that it doesn’t have.

MB4 on January 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Oh, and on “Soros’ payroll?”

Yeah, going to go cash in my latest paycheck right now. And “Allahpundit” and “Ed Morrisey” are really Andrew Sullivan and David Brock.

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Oh, and on “Soros’ payroll?”

Yeah, going to go cash in my latest paycheck right now. And “Allahpundit” and “Ed Morrisey” are really Andrew Sullivan and David Brock.

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Oh, oh, the boss is listening!

Count to 10 on January 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM

And something else. I am tired of listening to people yammer about Bush being socialist because of the drug prescription program or TARP or anything else.

Finally, something I agreed with. Bush’s socialism started way before TARP and the Medicare expansion.

It started with his corporate welfare and minority set-aside contracts for the Texas Rangers stadium subsidy deal, which I first blasted in 1999.

The back-stabbing of conservatives by corporate statists-posing-as-conservatives started a long time ago.

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM

History may be repeating itself, first as tragedy with Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin in the USSR, and now as farce with George Bush having played the role of Karl Marx and Barack Obama set to play the role of Vladimir Lenin in the USSA?

MB4 on January 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

More like Hoover and FDR (the real ones, not the leftist cut outs).

Count to 10 on January 8, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:04 PM

That’s a lot of “guilties”. What do you think collie?

My collie says:

The next thing ya’ know, they’ll accuse Michelle of shamelessly plugging Ann Colter’s new book.

Guilty.

My collie says:

Please don’t ban him, Michelle. He was just making a funny.

CyberCipher on January 8, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Guilty of learning from history?

Yes, indeed.

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Guilty of being extremely patriotic. Yes! And of course, the MSM thinks that is the biggest sin.

Johan Klaus on January 8, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Michelle:

Oh please. You virtually stalked that family because they had the temerity to let their son go on the radio. Remember JOe the Plumber? I did not support expanding SCHIP, but I preferred to leave the family out of it because defending stalkin Malkin was a distraction to the real issue at hand.

As for a higher standard, according to whom? You? What the hell about the rest of us who do not happen to agree with you?

Handing the hispanic vote to the Democrats on a silver platter is not a higher standard…it is giving the White House to the guy most likely to give drivers licenses to illegals.

And as for learning from history, what history would that be? I am older than you. I have lived through the farm crisis. My parents went through the Great Depression and Dust Bowl as children in Oklahoma. In fact my mother went to a migrant camp with her folks to pick peaches when they lost their farm.

Do you think the American people want to live in a migrant camp and pick peaches? Your idea of history is that if the government just sat back and did nothing, then the market would magically fix itself. Eventually. At some point. After some other poor sob lost his a**.

Sorry, but it is folks like me that always get the business end of that kind of tough love.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:13 PM

We do not know what the economy or the market would be like if Bush had not done what he did.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Would of, could of, should of. Stick to reality. He started the bailouts (socialism) and that is bigger blow to the USA than 9/11. Rather you like it or not he started this snowball and now B.Hussein and the people of the USA are stuck with this mess.

Wade on January 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Good God Michelle, you sound downright populist.

Big bad Bush and his Texas Rangers.

The only reason I ever stuck with conservatives for the last few years is my respect for Bush. I think the crap he has had to take from the left is outrageous. I really do.

I did not stick with the conservatives because of pundits or opinion writers or people who do not have to run anything but their mouths. I tolerate a lot of those people because of my respect for Bush.

Forced to make a choice between Bush and the true conservatives who think he is a socialist, then I pick Bush.

So long.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Yeah, going to go cash in my latest paycheck right now. And “Allahpundit” and “Ed Morrisey” are really Andrew Sullivan and David Brock.

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Lud love me! Such conjecturing could drive a man insane
And I’m the one to set this gossip quite to rest
Allapundit and Ed Morrisey are both George the Third
Indeed! And Michelle is the Queen of Spain.

PercyB on January 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Bush campaigned on the Prescription Drug plan in 2000, no reason we should be shocked that happened.

the Politically reality is you have to get millions of americans to go vote for you, comprosises are made. the purist stance will lead to the political wilderness, it is what it is.

also, the Prescription drug plan is not the same thing as what the liberals would do. they introduced atleast some market forces into the equation, the Dems wanted a plan that had the Govt. negotiating the prices(pure socialism).

We have to be somewhat pragmatic or else we turn into paultards. I do think it’d be easier to govern more conservatively, if we could drastically change the MSM for the better.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Wade:

You think the bailout was a bigger blow than 9/11?

I give up. I really do.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Count to 10 on January 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I wouldn’t describe it as listening. More like monitoring. (Terrye was obviously using hyperbole to make some of her points… that’s pretty common on Hot Air threads.)

I don’t see the point in piling on to President Bush in his last days in office. Write a book after some time has passed and perspective is gained. In my opinion, what’s happening now is just providing easy fodder for the Lightworker’s apologist.

Then again, I didn’t see the point in getting whipped up over the RNC’s expenditures on Palin’s wardrobe, either. They were perfectly reasonable given the circumstances and she did look more vice presidential after the investment.

It’s fine to criticize leaders and candidates to try to drive your agenda, but sometimes it’s more effective to let some time pass.

Does anyone really think that any amount of pressure is going to be particularly effective on Obama during his honeymoon period? How is criticizing Republicans for not being conservative enough providing a plan of action for the next 100 days when we have just lost so many seats and the Whitehouse? Whatever the truth — whether we lost because McCain was too much of a RINO or too conservative — the public is not currently receptive to the idea that a portion of the minority party (fiscal conservative Republicans) have all the answers. Give it time.

In the meantime, out of respect for President and Mrs. Bush, it would be nice to chill on the criticism. The man was practically in tears the other day at that armed forces parade. I think we should let him exit gracefully.

Y-not on January 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM

History may be repeating itself, first as tragedy with Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin in the USSR, and now as farce with George Bush having played the role of Karl Marx and Barack Obama set to play the role of Vladimir Lenin in the USSA?

MB4 on January 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

I was worried about the socialist ruining the U.S. for my grandchildren, but I think that we are past that point.

Johan Klaus on January 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM

And as for learning from history, what history would that be? I am older than you. I have lived through the farm crisis.
Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:13 PM

You may have lived thru it but you learned nothing. BTY, I am older than you and that means NOTA. Jimmy Carter is older than me and look at that mess of an individual.

Wade on January 8, 2009 at 3:21 PM

And “Allahpundit” and “Ed Morrisey” are really Andrew Sullivan and David Brock.

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I Knew it!

jp on January 8, 2009 at 3:21 PM

What the hell about the rest of us who do not happen to agree with you?

Start your own blog.

So long.

DLTDHYOTWO.

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:23 PM

I was worried about the socialist ruining the U.S. for my grandchildren, but I think that we are past that point.

Johan Klaus on January 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM

No question about it and it started with FDR.

Wade on January 8, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Do you think the American people want to live in a migrant camp and pick peaches?

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Of course not and they ONLY way that can be avoided is if everyone gives me all their GOLD starting with you.

Tuco on January 8, 2009 at 3:23 PM

jp:

Bush saved people money with that program. When some old lady has hundreds of dollars in drug bills and know way she can pay for them, she will either die, go on medicaid and let the government pay for everything or get sick and then medicare and often times medicaid will pick up the bill.

Maybe real true conservatives think you just let people like this die, but most Americans would disagree with that. Especially considering the fact that most Americans are related to someone who is using the program and likes it.

But hey, get a bumper sticker…let the old *itch die. People will flock to join your movement.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:24 PM

What the hell about the rest of us who do not happen to agree with you?

Go cry to your momma, you sound like little kids in the back seat of the car on a long ride. BTY, Hitler had a solution for those who did not follow lock step.

Wade on January 8, 2009 at 3:27 PM

The back-stabbing of conservatives by corporate statists-posing-as-conservatives started a long time ago.

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM

The frack?!? Conservatives are admitting this now? What the hell. Those on the left have been pointing out that there’s no difference between neo-liberal Clinton and neo-liberal Bush their entire worldview is about serving the needs of corporations not citizens. I thought your side was in favor of all that…I’m confused, honestly.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 8, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Tuco:

What gold? I do not have any gold. But I still have a job. I am not so sure that would be the case if some folks had their way.

Like I said I do not support a bigger stimulus program…but the idea that if we had just let major banks collapse and the financial sector seize up and the stock market go down further and faster…that would somehow have been better in the long run is bogus. It might well have meant even more intrusion in the market by the government in long run. Imagine if the DOW was at 3000 and the unemployment rate was double digit right now. Obama could ask for and get whatever he wanted.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Plus old people vote, and we need their votes. Not to mention it helped to undercut the Dem scare tactics used against Old people about Republicans(“they are going to take your Social Security and Medicare!”)

…and Drug Companies donate campaign funds, and we need those funds to have a prayer of winning.

the big problem with this country is our culture and loosening morals and beleifs. It will naturally lead to Socialism, politicians will react to it.

If we need one Domestic area that is Huge, to look at Bush and cheer and cut back on criticism some: Its JUDGES, which are huge since they have more power than those we elect do in the end.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM

I give up. I really do.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:18 PM

cu

Wade on January 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Wade:

Hitler?? For Chrisake. Michelle blames Bush for Obama’s policies and I take exception with that. The next thing you know someone is yammering about Hitler.

Obama won here in Indiana because the libertarians wanted to send a message, the message was Obama. Is this what conservatism has come to? Do it my way or I will sabotage the party and help the leftie win?

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM

If we want to shrink the govt., its not through getting a poltician elected(though some could slow it better than others), rathers its through changing the culture. We are moving towards Humanism culturally, that naturally leads to Socialism, higher crime, dumber americans, etc.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Keep in mind that Obama has absolutely no concept of economic matters. According to their tax returns, he and his wife didn’t learn the value of an interest-bearing checking account until 2005. They’ve also owned stock in only two companies, which they bought and sold in 2005.

I don’t care who he’s lined up to help him on economic matters, he’s a financial idiot. And it just reinforces how week a candidate McCain was that Obama was able to create the impression that he would be better on the economy. Obama isn’t qualified to run a kid’s lemonade stand, let alone our lead our economy.

What the hell was the middle of the country thinking?

BuckeyeSam on January 8, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Whatever the outcome of the bailout madness, no one can say that we were not warned. IMHO, George Bush’s role in the TARP bailout is perfectly consistent with his “compassionate conservatism”. Fiscal conservatives may not be happy about it, but at least George W. Bush can say one thing about his role in all of this, viz. he never misrepresented himself or purported to be something that he wasn’t. It was clear from the outset (the 2000 campaign) that W.’s idea of conservatism was more like Nixon’s brand than it was like Reagan’s brand.

My collie says:

Had we elected John McCain, we’d have gotten more of the same in the future, me thinks.

CyberCipher on January 8, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Tuco:

What gold? I do not have any gold.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Alright then it is off to the migrant camp for you. Don’t eat all the peaches that you pick or your 50 cents a day pay will be docked.

Tuco on January 8, 2009 at 3:33 PM

jp:

I know older people who have worked hard all their lives. They did not make a lot of money. Not everyone can be a rich pundit you know. They live on less than a thousand a month, some of them had drug costs in the hundreds of dollars. It is not just about votes. And by the way, those people have paid taxes all their lives too. They voted when they were younger just like when they were older. It is not fair to treat them like parasites.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Tuco:

Oh you are funny. On one hand we are supposed to learn from history, but when confronted with history you smirk. That migrant camp is every bit as relevant to this discussion as FDR and Hoover are. If you want history, look at all of it.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Conservatives are admitting this now? What the hell.

Yeah, what the hell do you mean by “admitting this now?” I linked to a piece I wrote in 1999 and have said the same thing for years.

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

No question about it and it started with FDR.

Wade on January 8, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Ben Stein justified his support of the bailouts by pointing out we haven’t had a free market since before FDR, so a free market solution wasn’t feasible with our current setup. His point was the unemployement flood that would.

My thing is no political republican, interested in the Democrats not gaining long term power, should be in favor of mass unemployment while bush exits the door. Its a political nightmare. Things are bad enough as they are.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Tuco:

Oh you are funny. On one hand we are supposed to learn from history, but when confronted with history you smirk.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

You had best try to develop a better sense of humor for if you display such ill humor when picking peaches at the migrant camp then foreman Jose will probably dock your pay for that too.

Tuco on January 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

It is not just about votes. And by the way, those people have paid taxes all their lives too. They voted when they were younger just like when they were older. It is not fair to treat them like parasites.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM

I agree its not all about their votes, and the situations many are in. Ideally they’d have a strong community around them(church) and family to take care of them, but America is past alot of that and turn to the Govt.

I’m just trying to point out some of the poltical points withthis stuff. whether its about Campaign Donations(which are necessary), winning interest groups support(elderly for example) and just everything it takes to overcome the Left and their MSM.

When I think about the left prosecuting the War on Jihad and Nominating Judges, it makes it easier to justify some of these things.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM

jp:

Free market?

I am sorry, but if conservatives are going to look at any and all government social net programs as socialism then they have rendered themselves anachronisms. Talking about FDR is just a waste of time as far as voters are concerned. They do not want to hear that when they are worried about their jobs.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Credit where credit is due, Blame where blame is due.

Bush is a good man who should have been remembered in the future’s history as a great or at least a good President.

Unfortunately, he has ruined any chance of that with the bailouts. That the crisis arose is indubitably the Democrats fault. But he must share the blame for the mismanagement of the ‘rescue’.

LegendHasIt on January 8, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:04 PM

1. Do you honestly believe that McCain would have been much tougher on illegal immigration than Obama?
2. Do you honestly believe that FDR’s policies shortened the depression?
3. Do you honestly believe that taxpayers should subsidize professional sport teams.
Disclaimer: I voted for Bush for governor of Texas and for president.

Johan Klaus on January 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

jp:

It is not just about family. Health care costs are simply beyond what people can pay. My mother got sick and needed care for years. I will not earn enough money in my lifetime to pay for her care.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

DTMH doesn’t pretend to be anything but a troll.

Count to 10 on January 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

I think it was George Will, who several years ago pointed out that Americans ‘want’ all of these big government programs, but don’t want to ‘pay’ for them. That is why we are a 50/50 nation, currently swayed toward the left side of that.

I think thats an accurate statement, a majority of voters see no reason not to have many of these programs as sold to them by the MSM and Dems, yet do not want their taxes to go up.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 3:46 PM

1. Yes.

2. I do not know. But I do know that soup lines fed a lot of people. And btw, my people went to that migrant camp when FDR was president so it is not as if he was giving people a free ride. People were starving. Starving.

3. Well, not really. But in cities all over the country mayors and Governors of both parties have for years sold the idea that the teams bring revenue. Personally, in the scheme of things I think it is a silly subject for debate. I say, it is up the states and the communities.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM

It is not just about family. Health care costs are simply beyond what people can pay. My mother got sick and needed care for years. I will not earn enough money in my lifetime to pay for her care.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

they are, mostly thanks to Government intervention, lack of Tort reform(lawyers) and our unhealthy lifestyles. Not to mention the Demographic problem.

I see your side though, know people who get diagnosed with Chronic diseases and see their insurance rates skyrocket to $1k/month and so forth.

Health Care is a horrible position for the GOP, socialism is not the answer I don’t think, and more competition and less lawsuits are needed its just a political juggernaut to make that happen. which means Socialistic healthcare is coming and cant be stopped.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM

they are, mostly thanks to Government intervention, lack of Tort reform(lawyers) and our unhealthy lifestyles. Not to mention the Demographic problem.

I see your side though, know people who get diagnosed with Chronic diseases and see their insurance rates skyrocket to $1k/month and so forth.

Health Care is a horrible position for the GOP, socialism is not the answer I don’t think, and more competition and less lawsuits are needed its just a political juggernaut to make that happen. which means Socialistic healthcare is coming and cant be stopped.

meant for above, somehow Strike went through it.

jp on January 8, 2009 at 3:51 PM

I’m not really old enough to know when it happened, but when did conservatism start rotting from within? It seems like the party gradually stopped serving the desires of its different members and now everyone wants to call themselves conservative, but they’re attacking other conservatives for ‘backstabbing’ or ‘abandoning ship’…

Wouldn’t every conservative in the country have shrieked and fought the first bailout? How is even one of our elected Republicans still working considering what they’ve accomplished? I can’t help but feel like all of the answers to these problems are simple. Painful, yes…but easy as hell. Government has no business intervening in your life – good or bad. If you let them in for a penny, they’re in for a pound.

blankminde on January 8, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Legend:

I do not agree with that. Americans will not remember the bailout, they will remember the recession. The bailout might well have kept the recession from being a Depression. It is one of those things we can not know.

Like when Democrats say that if we had not taken out Saddam, he would have just sort of stayed in his box. Easy to say, impossible to prove.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:53 PM

blankminde:

No, not every conservative would have done that. People treat the bail out as if it were an evil thing and the recession is a sort of purifying event. Retribution. All conservatives must yearn for the purity of a great Depression. And this time no handouts, no sirree. Once upon a time a conservative was a sensible rational person who tried to keep things working. I guess ideology trumps that now.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM

I am sorry, but if conservatives are going to look at any and all government social net programs as socialism then they have rendered themselves anachronisms. Talking about FDR is just a waste of time as far as voters are concerned. They do not want to hear that when they are worried about their jobs.

Terrye on January 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Until we completely discard the constitution, we should have obedience to it and there are no provisions in it to bail out the economy. Not following the constitution is what helped get us into this mess to begin with.

Johan Klaus on January 8, 2009 at 3:56 PM

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