AP: Two residents saw Hamas firing mortars near UN school

posted at 7:47 pm on January 6, 2009 by Allahpundit

No surprise. It’d take an “enlightened” progressive indeed to believe the IDF would lob artillery shells at a school just for giggles.

And so, as expected, the debate now shifts to “proportionality.”

Two residents of the area who spoke by telephone said they saw a small group of militants firing mortar rounds from a street near the school, where 350 people had gathered to get away from the shelling. They spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal…

An Israeli defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not allowed to make the information public, said it appeared that the military used 120mm shells, among the largest mortar rounds

Two residents who spoke to an AP reporter by phone said the two brothers [jihadis killed at the scene] were known to be low-level Hamas militants. They said a group of militants — one of them said four — were firing mortar shells from near the school.

An Israeli shell targeted the men, but missed and they fled, the witnesses said, refusing to allow their names to be published because they feared for their safety. Then another three shells landed nearby, exploding among civilians, they said.

Palestinian militants have frequently fired from residential areas in the past.

Reactions all around are perfectly predictable. Egypt’s trying to capitalize on the fallout by pressuring Israel into a ceasefire, although there are whispers among the IDF brass that the operation might actually widen to include southern Gaza in the next few days. The Guardian, fretful that Israel could succeed in dislodging Hamas from power, warns that whatever replaces them in the strip will certainly be worse even though that’s, er, not certain at all, especially with Fatah poised to move back in. And the UN is naturally outraged at Israel’s shelling of the school — “totally unacceptable,” said Ban Ki-Moon, according to the AP — but conspicuously less outraged that jihadists are using their facilities as a mortar firing platform. The Israeli leadership’s ready for them this time: According to Haaretz, they’re considering filing a complaint at Turtle Bay over Hamas’s use of an international facility for terrorism.

Here’s the official statement on the incident from Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, futilely trying to explain whose fault it is that so many Palestinians get caught in crossfire.

Update: The Guardian’s trying to figure out why so many Palestinian kids fetishize martyrdom. Oddly enough, Islamic fundamentalism and the endless stream of vicious anti-semitic propaganda on Palestinian TV don’t seem to weigh heavily in their reasoning.

Update: Hiding weapons in UN schools is an old standard from the jihadist songbook, apparently.


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Must be a mistake. Surely the Jooooos did something to provoke this.

carbon_footprint on January 6, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Let’s see, how can they blame George Bush for this?

savvydude on January 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Find the collaborators!

/

perroviejo on January 6, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Let’s see, how can they blame George Bush for this?

savvydude on January 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM

“If George Bush didn’t support Israel, those people wouldn’t have died.”

— It doesn’t take much or have to make sense, all that matters is that they find some way to blame him. It’s pretty simple, ’cause the lefties have pretty simple minds after all.

CP on January 6, 2009 at 8:03 PM

And so, as expected, the debate now shifts to “proportionality.”

War is cruelty. There’s no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over. Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.
– William Tecumseh Sherman

MB4 on January 6, 2009 at 8:04 PM

And so, as expected, the debate now shifts to “proportionality.”

Actually, “proportionality” would require that Israel attempt to wipe Palestinians from the face of the Earth as that is what the Palestinians want to do to the Israelis/Jews.

MB4 on January 6, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Well we saw what propaganda TV does to US voters, so imagine what it can do to Arab children.

BTW, aren’t the people who occupy Gaza really Syrians and Jordanians? Isn’t the myth that there ever was a Palestine.

tarpon on January 6, 2009 at 8:07 PM

I don’t know who is the most pathetic; the palestinians, the media or the united nations.

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Hamas killed those people and is responsible for every death in this conflict.

rob verdi on January 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Well, that’s it.

According to the Geneva Convention, the civilian deaths are on Hamas’ head.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Ryan Gandy on January 6, 2009 at 8:10 PM

WOW! Two residents of Palestine saw this. World wide intelligence has come a long way since 9/11. BFD

Wade on January 6, 2009 at 8:12 PM

I don’t know who is the most pathetic; the palestinians, the media or the united nations.

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM

interchangeable

Wade on January 6, 2009 at 8:14 PM

About the “proportional” debate…

Let’s say, for ease of numbers, that Israel has 1000 times the amount of ordinance that Hamas does. I know, it’s likely to be more, that’s just for sake of argument.

To maintain proportionality, doesn’t that mean that any response should be on the same 1000:1 ratio? If Hamas launches 100 indiscriminately targeted rockets into Israel, Israel would launch 100,000 indiscriminately targeted rockets, bombs, etc. That’s “proprotional”, isn’t it?

malclave on January 6, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Somehow this seems shocking to the AP.

SouthernGent on January 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Update: The Guardian’s trying to figure out why so many Palestinian kids fetishize martyrdom. Oddly enough, Islamic fundamentalism and the endless stream of vicious anti-semitic propaganda on Palestinian TV don’t seem to weigh heavily in their reasoning.

Maybe they missed the Mickey Maus episodes.

Zorro on January 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM

The IDF has the coordinates for all the schools operating under the UN. That is why people shelter at those locations. Using 120mm shells or mortars to return fire does seem excessive given that the Hamas mortar team was operating on a nearby street according to the witnesses. It is well known that Hamas wants to sacrifice civilians and encourage the Israelis to target them. It seems the IDF are willing to fulfill that objective. I also read that the IDF knew the identity of the two mortar men and they were high ranking Hamas members. I’m glad they got them but whatever success they have is undermined by the many dozens of innocent civilians killed and injured by their response. In fact it is eclipsed by it which does not do the Israelis much good. The world has little sympathy when Hamas militants are killed but there is outrage when many dozens of innocent non-combatants are killed and quite rightly so. I know it is an unpopular position here at Hot Air the prevailing opinion is that Palestinians deserve to die this way but I do not think this is enhancing Israeli security or driving a wedge between Hamas and the captive public in Gaza.

lexhamfox on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

malclave on January 6, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Hamas launches whatever they’ve got, so the IDF should just go ahead and drop the Neutron bomb on them. Now that’s what i’d call proportional response.

Aristotle on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

The Guardian’s trying to figure out why so many Palestinian kids fetishize martyrdom.

We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.
– Golda Meir

MB4 on January 6, 2009 at 8:25 PM

I’m glad they got them but whatever success they have is undermined by the many dozens of innocent civilians killed and injured by their response. In fact it is eclipsed by it which does not do the Israelis much good.

If the mortar fire is threatening IDF soldiers’ well being, there should be no consideration for civilian casualtees on the enemy side.

No sane person would send his children to an army that would let them die to save enemy civilians to get “World’s sympathy”.

Aristotle on January 6, 2009 at 8:25 PM

…..Uh, what part of terrorist organization do they not understand?

…..Oh yeah, our fellow Americans voted for B. Obama. Makes sense, the stupidity is spreading. It’s going global.

HornetSting on January 6, 2009 at 8:25 PM

“Oddly enough, Islamic fundamentalism Liberalism and the endless stream of vicious anti-semitic American propaganda on Palestinian American TV, (and in American Schools) don’t seem to weigh heavily in their reasoning.”

……………… it’s just a matter of time.

Seven Percent Solution on January 6, 2009 at 8:27 PM

It’d take an “enlightened” progressive indeed to believe the IDF would lob artillery shells at a school just for giggles.

Yes, and there are way too many “enlightened”! Oy vey!

beththebaker on January 6, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Where are all the liberal “human shields”…………..?

………… I hear Cynthia McKinney is in the hood.

Seven Percent Solution on January 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Proportionality is for suckers.

I win, you lose.
I live, you die.
I walk home, you hobble home in a wheel chair.
My stuff works, your stuff is broken.

It’s disproportional. Duh!

Mojave Mark on January 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM

The world has little sympathy when Hamas militants are killed but there is outrage when many dozens of innocent non-combatants are killed and quite rightly so. I know it is an unpopular position here at Hot Air the prevailing opinion is that Palestinians deserve to die this way but I do not think this is enhancing Israeli security or driving a wedge between Hamas and the captive public in Gaza.

lexhamfox on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

A lot of non-combant civilians, including many of my relatives, died in Germany during WW2, but those things happen in war.

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM

lexhamfox on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

As soon as the Palestinians start crying “ENOUGH! DOWN WITH HAMAS! WE ARE TIRED OF WAR AND DEATH!” then they will be worthy of our sympathies and/or support. As long as they are cheering – or even indifferent – towards Hamas, and as long as they tolerate schools being used for terror ops, then they deserve what they get.

innominatus on January 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Hamas launches whatever they’ve got, so the IDF should just go ahead and drop the Neutron bomb on them. Now that’s what i’d call proportional response.

Aristotle on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Could someone define proportional with an enemy like Hamas. is it: hamas kills a jew, idf can kill a jew, according to un-msm-jihadists convention.

the_nile on January 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM

And so, as expected, the debate now shifts to “proportionality.”

Israel’s right, no, their responsibility, is to kill Islamofascists & destroy their stuff until Israel is safe, not until the body count is even-steven!

jgapinoy on January 6, 2009 at 8:33 PM

The Guardian’s trying to figure out why so many Palestinian kids fetishize martyrdom.

Pro-Hamar Rally in Ireland: “Kids in paramilitary gear burning Israeli flags”

I guess The Guardian hasn’t noticed that someone is buying paramilitary gear for these kids and dressing them in it.

“Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man”

INC on January 6, 2009 at 8:34 PM

A lot of non-combant civilians, including many of my relatives, died in Germany during WW2, but those things happen in war.

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Mine too…in the camps.My great grandfather had 11 brothers and sisters..only he and one of his brothers (who had already immigrated here) lived. And, they all had families.

beththebaker on January 6, 2009 at 8:37 PM

When the “innocent civilians” stop supporting Hamas I’ll start feeling sorry for them.

ctmom on January 6, 2009 at 8:38 PM

I know it is an unpopular position here at Hot Air the prevailing opinion is that Palestinians deserve to die this way but I do not think this is enhancing Israeli security or driving a wedge between Hamas and the captive public in Gaza.

lexhamfox on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

I wish IDF were perfect, but they really are on the frontline fighting a war for the life or death of civilization, everywhere.

Hamas is iran.If IDF were targeting civilians deliberately they would just be as bad as hamas , but they’re not.

the_nile on January 6, 2009 at 8:40 PM

And so, as expected, the debate now shifts to “proportionality.”

Allah

You know them so well.

Jaibones on January 6, 2009 at 8:42 PM

I know it is an unpopular position here at Hot Air the prevailing opinion is that Palestinians deserve to die this way…lexhamfox on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Please cite a comment that reflects this view.

Bugler on January 6, 2009 at 8:42 PM

The world has little sympathy when Hamas militants are killed but there is outrage when many dozens of innocent non-combatants are killed and quite rightly so. I know it is an unpopular position here at Hot Air the prevailing opinion is that Palestinians deserve to die this way but I do not think this is enhancing Israeli security or driving a wedge between Hamas and the captive public in Gaza.

lexhamfox on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Pardon me, but you are a fool… Hamas hides these weapons and “militants” among civilians…they move their “fighters and weapons in ambulances and in schools (see story above) and in Mosques….how does Israel fight against them? Israel has no choice, but the “Palistinians” (no such people, but we’ll save that for later) had a choice when they supported Hamas.
Israel does not target civilians, that prize goes to Hamas who lob rockets at Israeli families and schools…why does everyone seem to be frgetting that VERY IMPORTANT point?!!!

beththebaker on January 6, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Palestinians deserve to die this way but I do not think this is enhancing Israeli security or driving a wedge between Hamas and the captive public in Gaza.

lexhamfox on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Blah, blah, blah. Never been to Israel. Blah, blah, blah. Have no idea what it’s like over there. Blah, blah, blah. Never had a Palestinian throw rocks at me or yell “itbach Al-yahud” at me.

How are people not getting that the terrorists do this all the frigging time???? They hide behind babies, women, children. They hide things in schools, mosques, churches, hospitals. They kill without remorse. They kill with no interest in your political beliefs or religious ones. All they know is you ain’t them.

I am not the least bit surprised that Hamas is hiding behind UN schools like little cowards. Why not? It worked before and it’ll work again……

mjk on January 6, 2009 at 8:48 PM

I know it is an unpopular position here at Hot Air the prevailing opinion is that Terrorist Palestinians and their supporters deserve to die this way but I do not think this is enhancing Israeli security or driving a wedge between Hamas and the captive public in Gaza.

lexhamfox on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

thomasaur on January 6, 2009 at 8:49 PM

By the way, where is all the social outrage and the media attention to all the vandalism and attacks on the Jewish population in Europe (what’s left of it), and elsewhere? Check this out and while you’re at it, check Weasel’s whole site…it’s all there and truly shocking… I am in 1938…and I am scared!
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/01/uk-companies-boycotting-israeli-consumers-and-jewishowned-american-firms.html

beththebaker on January 6, 2009 at 8:50 PM

MB4 on January 6, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Excellent point!

Who wants to fight a fair war? How do you win a fair fight? Will we relegate the MSM to be the judges and somehow periodically ring a bell for 10 rounds? In order to win the war you must battle like Sherman; otherwise you sustain equally large losses on both sides with no gain. You do not want to be on the sloppy side of insurmountable odds and overwhelming firepower – you want to dish it out.

ericdijon on January 6, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Update: The Guardian’s trying to figure out why so many Palestinian kids fetishize martyrdom. Oddly enough, Islamic fundamentalism and the endless stream of vicious anti-semitic propaganda on Palestinian TV don’t seem to weigh heavily in their reasoning.

Guardian Liberal Nitwit Terrorists Symps

And yet, despite the horrible nature of life in Gaza, this clown has his pregnant wife and his children in a house next door to a bombing target. And he undoubtedly voted to put terrorists in charge of his government.

It is very difficult to safeguard people from their own stupidity.

Jaibones on January 6, 2009 at 8:51 PM

The Guardian’s trying to figure out why so many Palestinian kids fetishize martyrdom. Oddly enough, Islamic fundamentalism and the endless stream of vicious anti-semitic propaganda on Palestinian TV don’t seem to weigh heavily in their reasoning.

Oddly enough, the Guardian featured on of Hamas’ leaders on it’s op-ed page a day ago! G-D damned hypocrites!!!!

beththebaker on January 6, 2009 at 8:54 PM

And the UN is naturally outraged at Israel’s shelling of the school — “totally unacceptable,” said Ban Ki-Moon

Wasn’t this clown our own choice for the slot?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on January 6, 2009 at 8:58 PM

And so, as expected, the debate now shifts to “proportionality.”

To be brutally frank, in this instance, it would seem that the response was totally proportionate and equivalent. The Hamas terrorists lobbed mortar fire at the IDF, most likely it was fairly indiscriminate fire. The IDF returned the mortar fire with artillery shelling. Artillery is not as precise as laser or GPS-guided weapons, thus both sides were using equivalent weaponry. Seems pretty proportionate from here.

It’s not like the IDF dropped a couple of 2000 pounders on the area from 30kft.

AZfederalist on January 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM

The perpetual killing has also drawn many children into the cult of the “martyr” and led them to expect an early death.

Thabet said the traumatising of children was having a profound effect on Gaza’s future. The children he studied in the early 1990s are now adults.

“They become fighters. I warned about this 15 years ago, that in 15 years these traumatised children will be more aggressive, they will want to fight, there will be more violence in the community. You saw it in the factional fighting in Gaza in 2007,” he said.

Guys, this dude is another farking Nostradamus! He rightly predicted these kids, who were given wooden AK-47s and rocket launchers at age three, and taught the glories of suicide bombing from age five, and told that Jews are apes and pigs worthy of slaughter since birth, might just might, grow up to become violent people.

That kind of prescience is downright spooky. Nostradamus, I tell ya!

hillbillyjim on January 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM

I did not know that Hamas was the Palestinian word for coward.

I worry that Obama has not come out and supported our ally Israel. He’s “monitoring the situation”. He has time to make a speech about his Economic Stimulus Plan.

Spineless.

kingsjester on January 6, 2009 at 9:05 PM

kingsjester on January 6, 2009 at 9:05 PM

yep…but not unexpected ):

beththebaker on January 6, 2009 at 9:08 PM

I know it is an unpopular position here at Hot Air the prevailing opinion is that Palestinians deserve to die this way but I do not think this is enhancing Israeli security or driving a wedge between Hamas and the captive public in Gaza.

lexhamfox on January 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

These are all opinions here, and if that’s yours, you’re entitled to it. I happen to disagree. Since the beginning of civilization humans have been responsible for their own bad decisions; Palestinians may be an extreme example, and a populace that seems to make bad decisions intentionally, but I am not the slightest bit inclined to kill Israelis in order to save suicidal Palestinians.

If they want to teach 4 year olds to hate Jews and send 15 year olds into Israel with bombs taped to their stomachs, then death is a just reward. If they want to elect terrorists to run their government, and think that living next door to a Hamas bomb factory is smart, then the theories of natural selection may manifest themselves in the form of 120mm mortar shells.

Go ahead and wring your hands over these vermin, but I won’t. Truth is more important to me than your Guardian propaganda, and your Reuters treason. When Israel walked away from Gaza, the opinions of nearly everyone here at HotAir that so offend your delicate sensibilities were the same – they’ll have to come back to Gaza in tanks after the terrorists have destroyed it and once again endangered Israel. Well, here we are, and it’s time to wipe out Hamas.

Jaibones on January 6, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Jaibones on January 6, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Kisses and hugs!

beththebaker on January 6, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Jaibones on January 6, 2009 at 9:11 PM

It makes one wonder how long people will continue to be lead astray by the Pied Piper media narrative.

CNN is unwatchable when any Palestinian issue is being covered and everything that I have seen from European “news” sources seems to be even worse.

Loved the comment, Mr ‘Bones.

hillbillyjim on January 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM

I hated saying it; it’s so far from the life we all live and wish for others, but that’s how far from normal human decency those people are.

I’m reading the Guardian story about the guy herding his kids into the kitchen because it’s the safest room in the flat, next door to the freakin’ Hamas house! How about maybe you take your precious children and gtf out of Gaza? How about taking them to civilization, where people raise their kids without AK47s in their friggin’ hands?

Animals.

Jaibones on January 6, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Kill as many of hamas as fast as possible,if the guy from the UN gets hit in the process Israel gets two extra points.If the IDF gets the al jazera team an extra ten.

Col.John Wm. Reed on January 6, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Actually, “proportionality” would require that Israel attempt to wipe Palestinians from the face of the Earth as that is what the Palestinians want to do to the Israelis/Jews.

Bingo, baby.

Bob's Kid on January 6, 2009 at 9:42 PM

I know that I whine about the bad treatment Conservatives get in the media but honestly I can’t imagine what it must be like as a Jew. To be consider the reason for all that is bad in the world must be overwhelming. To look at what is done to the people of Israel and then listen while the world says they bring it on themselves is so discouraging.

Cindy Munford on January 6, 2009 at 9:42 PM

CNN is unwatchable when any Palestinian issue is being covered and everything that I have seen from European “news” sources seems to be even worse.

Loved the comment, Mr ‘Bones.

hillbillyjim on January 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM

And many Europeans are as brainwashed by the media there as Americans are by the media in the U.S..

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 9:47 PM

I wonder what the O’Bam-ster is going to do on the 21st of Jan 09.

mindhacker on January 6, 2009 at 9:48 PM

To look at what is done to the people of Israel and then listen while the world says they bring it on themselves is so discouraging.

Cindy Munford on January 6, 2009 at 9:42 PM

That is what many on the left say about the U.S..

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 9:50 PM

I wonder what the O’Bam-ster is going to do on the 21st of Jan 09.

mindhacker on January 6, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Come to my birthday party?

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Fuck ’em all. The IDF should kill every militant they can find.

GarandFan on January 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 9:50 PM

It pains me to say this about myself but I am really struggling to find any sympathy for the folks in Gaza.

Cindy Munford on January 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Mine too…in the camps.My great grandfather had 11 brothers and sisters..only he and one of his brothers (who had already immigrated here) lived. And, they all had families.

beththebaker on January 6, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Same here. My Aunt lost all her family in Germany. She was in Concentration Camps. She met my uncle going through the trash to feed her baby. I sure have missed you beththebaker! great to see you nick.

sheebe on January 6, 2009 at 10:05 PM

It would be so, so fitting and justified if Bush would now just two weeks from the end of his term, do a all out bombing of all of Iran’s nuclear sites. This would put a hard stop to much of the Islamic aggression we are experiencing now. Maybe it would end it for another couple of hundred years again.
We can only dream!

jtpcamp on January 6, 2009 at 10:11 PM

beththebaker on January 6, 2009 at 8:37 PM

If your name is any indication, my Grandfather and my wife were bakers. My Grandfather would make the best Schwarzbrot, Brezeln and Semmeln. My wife still makes excellent Apfelstrudel and Kolaches. (She is German and Czech)

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 10:17 PM

I don’t know who is the most pathetic; the palestinians, the media or the united nations.

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM

I know what you mean. I have the same sort of problem with Curly, Moe and Larry.

Oh…wait…

BobMbx on January 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM

I know what you mean. I have the same sort of problem with Curly, Moe and Larry.

Oh…wait…

BobMbx on January 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM

We have a winner.

Johan Klaus on January 6, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Sorry to be rude but who gives a S#$t???

After all, this is expected behavior? Why is this a story?

SunSword on January 6, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Actually, “proportionality” would require that Israel attempt to wipe Palestinians from the face of the Earth as that is what the Palestinians want to do to the Israelis/Jews.

MB4 on January 6, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Yes, but the Israelis are too civilized to entertain the idea. But surely it has occurred to them that it is time to wipe all of Hamas’s leadership from the face of the Earth, and to make sure that it stays that way. It has been suggested that Israel return Gaza to Egypt. Egypt doesn’t want it, but might be convinced if Hamas were effectively eradicated.

Once Gaza is gone, then Israel and the United States should pay the Jordanians to take the West-Bank Palestinians back, and reclaim the West Bank as part of Israel proper. If the Palestinians won’t go, they should be pushed, but they’ll probably go if paid enough.

MrLynn on January 6, 2009 at 10:48 PM

And the UN is naturally outraged at Israel’s shelling of the school — “totally unacceptable,” said Ban Ki-Moon

Wasn’t this clown our own choice for the slot?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on January 6, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Yes. Best of the Bozos.

Shy Guy on January 7, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Palestinians started this and they are just reaping what they’ve sewn. Personally, if the Israelis kill every Palestinian that threatens them, so be it. Folks have such short memories of Palestinians dancing in the street on 9-12-2001.

nelsonknows on January 7, 2009 at 2:29 AM

No surprise.

AP reported it. Sure surprised me!

Shy Guy on January 7, 2009 at 4:21 AM

Oh but come on!

Christiane Amanpour spoke with Hamas and they said that they were 99.9% it did not happen!

drjohn on January 7, 2009 at 8:17 AM

sure it did not happen

(Self-taught typoet)

drjohn on January 7, 2009 at 8:17 AM

Hamas counts on the world seeing this as Israel attacking a school. Being a UN school is even better. Propaganda is always about influencing sympathy for your side and hatred toward the other side. The effect has been enhanced by the leftist agenda bias of the press around the world. This is why newspapers and network TV are going the way of the dinosaur in the USA. Nobody trusts the press anymore because they lie or are biased to report favorably towards these poor insurgents and terrorists. The distruction of the news media both print and especially network news is payback for what they did to us in Vietnam. They lost their credibility.
Only FOX cable seems to be more or less willing to show both side. CNN the Clinton News Network couldn’t even get my girl Hillary elected. They used to be pretty good around 1990.

The propaganda wars…that is what we need to win.

kanda on January 7, 2009 at 8:35 AM

I am constantly amazed at the popularity among Americans for Netanyahu, even after admitting what a blunderer he was when he was previously prime minister. “Hit me again!”

And that doesn’t even take into account Bibi’s recent pronouncements that he wants to enter into a “dialog” with the Palis and eventually implement a 2 state solution.

Bibi would make a great UN ambassador. That’s about it.

Shy Guy on January 7, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Shy Guy on January 7, 2009 at 9:25 AM

He also could get this problem solved by getting all the Palistinians in one place. If the Palistinians start a war then…well… they say Israel has the bomb.

kanda on January 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Doesn’t matter, the Joooos are at fault…it is always there fault. It can only be there fault, everything else is rhetorical…the Jooooooooos are guilty of all sins….so say the left.

right2bright on January 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Israel has every right to absolutely level Gaza.

It’s a shame they won’t.

You-Eh-Vee on January 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM

They spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.

Doesn’t that say it all about the nature of Hamas?

Blaise on January 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Folks
Campain planners utilize proportionality when determining if a plan (or response) is acceptable. To wit, proportionality examines wether an action will be acceptable in terms of personnel, equipment, expected losses and probable outcome no matter what wikipedia tells you.
Note that the article didn’t tell you how far away the mortar team was, it only said that 120mm shells were used. Is it possible that the RANGE of the 120mm was the only weapon in the area that was able to reach the target? There is much more to campaign planning and execution and especially battlefield management than one isolated incident.

tank_killer69 on January 7, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Did I kill another thread? Sorry. Perhaps I should rename myself to what one poster referred to me as “thread_killer69”

tank_killer69 on January 7, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Proportional response:
Hamas tries to kill a Jew = Israel tries to kill a terrorist.

The difference is that Israel is much more successful than Hamas.

jerseyman on January 7, 2009 at 2:23 PM

jerseyman
I must disagree…in this case Hamas tries to kill a Jew = Israel kills ALL terrorists. It willnever be, and shouldn’t be one-for-one.

tank_killer69 on January 7, 2009 at 2:25 PM

tank_killer69
You miss the point. Hamas is trying to kill ALL Jews and destroy Israel. They just are not very good at it. Israel has better results when they move into action.

jerseyman on January 7, 2009 at 2:29 PM

jerseyman
I see what you mean. My apologies.

tank_killer69 on January 7, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I thought you were trying to equate proportionality with a “one-for-one” exchange.

tank_killer69 on January 7, 2009 at 2:31 PM

‘I worry that Obama has not come out and supported our ally Israel. He’s “monitoring the situation”. He has time to make a speech about his Economic Stimulus Plan.
Spineless.
Kingsjester”

WTF are you talking about?

Obama has spoken out on this .

He said “er, huuh, errr, ummmh, er, Present, Err, hum, ya know”

Injest

DSchoen on January 7, 2009 at 8:40 PM

‘I worry that Obama has not come out and supported our ally Israel. He’s “monitoring the situation”. Spineless.
Kingsjester”

WTF are you talking about?

Obama has spoken out on this .

He said “er, huh, errr, ummmh, er, Present, Err, hum, ya know”

DSchoen on January 7, 2009 at 8:42 PM