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Alaska Senate poll: Murkowski 57, Palin 33

posted at 1:15 pm on January 6, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Almost a mirror image of the dKos poll last month. Is the bloom off the rose?

Pollster Dave Dittman just finished a statewide survey on a possible Palin-versus-Murkowski matchup – and Murkowski beats Palin, at least in this poll, hands down…

“And I think there would be a feeling, too, of overreaching — going too far, too aggressive, too much too soon — if Sarah decided to run for Senate,” Dittman said. “When you’ve already got someone there with seniority, who most people think is doing a good job, I think it would be a huge mistake.”…

A poll commissioned last month by the Web site dailykos.com showed Palin beating Murkowski 55 to 31 percent, although local pollster Dittman says he has concerns about the methods used to arrive at those numbers.

One or the other poll’s dramatically skewed, as nothing’s happened in the last three weeks to warrant a 25-point swing. Except, er, the allegations — since rescinded — that Alaska cops suspended their drug investigation into Levi Johnston’s mother until after the election. Or the new questions over how Johnston landed a job for which he might be ineligible under federal law. Or Bristol Palin giving birth, prompting another round of wrangling between the ‘Cuda and the media. I think that covers everything.

Exit question: If she doesn’t challenge Murkowski in 2010 or The One in 2012, how’s she going to stay on the national media’s radar until 2016? Fox News will have to set aside a special weekly kaffeeklatsch segment for her or something. Don’t let us down, Greta!


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factoid on January 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM

go back to your cave.

is this ban worthy AP? pretty disgusting.

conservative pilgrim on January 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Sarah Palin was the only reason I voted for McCain this year, rather than a third-party candidate.

+1

You think McCain’s loss was big…try willing a race without your own party’s base. “He isn’t the other party’s guy” is not usually the top reason anyone votes for their candidate, though some of the anti-Sarah push-polls cited above would make you think otherwise.

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM

conservative pilgrim on January 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Fact isn’t bad.. annoying at times.. but not a troll.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Bernie Madoff and the Wall Street guys agree with you

The difference is that unethical greed – aka CRIME – is not good.

Wanting to be as wealthy as you can be without violating the law is not amoral or unethical. Madoff was a fraud. Many Wall Street firms caught up in the recent turmoil were basing investments and/or strategies and/or returns on fradulent information (like government-created turmoil in the mortgage market, for example), and paid the price for trusting the ba info.

That doesn’t invalidate seeking to enrich oneself without hurting others as a virtue. Madoff and others who enriched themselves illegally and unethically do not apply here.

Good Lt on January 6, 2009 at 2:35 PM

technopeasant on January 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM

I agree she has support of conservatives in general and conservative republicans. But is that enough to win in the republican primary in 2012?

The republican party (sadly) doesn’t seem to be a conservative party any more, except in comparison to the democratic party.

It was republican primary voters who nominated McCain.

kcewa on January 6, 2009 at 2:36 PM

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM

yeah, it’s true Palin is easy on the eyes, but “PILF”? That’s over-the-top and evidence of a vile mind.

conservative pilgrim on January 6, 2009 at 2:36 PM

I hope Mrs. Palin runs in 2012. She is sooooo hot! This country needs a PILF.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Yes, she’s hot. Yes, the VPILF/PILF/GILF jokes raised some chuckles at first…but now they’re just making people sound like grunting neanderthal urban gangsta you-know-whats.

LimeyGeek on January 6, 2009 at 2:39 PM

The Senate is for hacks.

1 of 50 > 1 of 100.

End of story.

BKennedy on January 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

First of all, I seriously dispute the 1 of 50 part. Yes, she has the title “Governor” but my county executive presides over a bigger budget and is elected by a larger electorate than she. You can’t seriously compare running Alaska to running a heftier state like Texas, California or Florida.

If she were a Senator she could sponsor some legislation that she can then refer to in the campaign. Do something high-profile against abortion or waste/fraud/abuse. Without that her resume will still be pretty short in 2012.

Also, she needs screen time, a lot of it. Washington is where the media is at.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM

conservative pilgrim on January 6, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Not exactly evidence of a vile mind. While it is annoying, Gov. Palin currently carries the term “GILF”, and “PILF” is the logical extension that would be applied if she were to win the presidency.

I took it to be slightly sarcastic but more annoying than offensive.

Marine_Bio on January 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM

It was republican primary voters who nominated McCain.

kcewa on January 6, 2009 at 2:36 PM

The primaries were open to independents and democrats who chose McLame. He almost lost the primary in Arizona! I would assure you if this was a closed primary for only republicans, we would have had Thompson or Romney, maybe Huckabee. But if Romney who most likely would have won the primaries, he would have been president.
We need the RNC to close the primaries to only republicans.

I will assure you Palin will win 2012.

jencab on January 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Yes, she’s hot. Yes, the VPILF/PILF/GILF jokes raised some chuckles at first…but now they’re just making people sound like grunting neanderthal urban gangsta you-know-whats.

LimeyGeek on January 6, 2009 at 2:39 PM

I know, I know. This joke’s getting old and I’ll stop making it. It’s just that she is such a lightweight, I can’t help but laugh at the suggestion that she could take on Obama in 2012. It would be a dream come true for the Dems.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Marine_Bio on January 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Whatever-ILF” is crude and disgusting. Obviously, we have a difference of opinion on what warrants humor and a joke. I see it as offensive and demeaning, no matter who is the recipient of that desire–be it Sarah Palin or my mom or whomever.

conservative pilgrim on January 6, 2009 at 2:46 PM

You think McCain’s loss was big…try willing winning a race without your own party’s base.

FIFM.

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 2:46 PM

The difference is that unethical greed – aka CRIME – is not good.

Wanting to be as wealthy as you can be without violating the law is not amoral or unethical. Madoff was a fraud. Many Wall Street firms caught up in the recent turmoil were basing investments and/or strategies and/or returns on fradulent information (like government-created turmoil in the mortgage market, for example), and paid the price for trusting the ba info.

That doesn’t invalidate seeking to enrich oneself without hurting others as a virtue. Madoff and others who enriched themselves illegally and unethically do not apply here.

Good Lt on January 6, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Many corporate strategies do end up hurting stakeholders even if they are legal. A large company that my father used to work for has a tendency to downsize even during good times so that the company exceeds expectations and the top management gets enormous bonuses. The CEO purchased a castle in Ireland last year while some of his former employees have troubles paying for their kids’ medicines. Such greed is perfectly legal and acceptable; however, IMO, it is not ethical. I certainly don’t want people to be stuck in low paying jobs and I’m definitely not bashing millionaires, but I don’t think that greed should be people’s overriding ethical framework.

Illinidiva on January 6, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Fact isn’t bad.. annoying at times.. but not a troll.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Now that was a surprise. Appreciated, nonetheless.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Sorry Marine_Bio, I got my quote backwards above.

conservative pilgrim on January 6, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Do something high-profile against abortion or waste/fraud/abuse. Without that her resume will still be pretty short in 2012…..

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I think that Obama’s election was evidence enough that you don’t need to sponsor high profile legislation to be “Qualified”. And by the way, what county executive interacts on the international stage like a governor does?

I think that by just being Sarah, she will continue to receive scrutiny. The left is suffering from a bad case of hatred for this woman, and by the media is as obliging that syndrome very nicely.

Marine_Bio on January 6, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Do something high-profile against abortion or waste/fraud/abuse. Without that her resume will still be pretty short in 2012…..

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Fact if she had not been abused by the MSM and other a$$ hats of the media type. Do you think most of this would even be an issue?

Also, her resume is much larger then most coming into any political arean right now. Admit it.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM

The primaries were open to independents and democrats who chose McLame.

Only some were. Remember: McCain won Florida, which proved to be his springboard for Super Tuesday. Maybe you should just accept that there are plenty of moderate Republicans out there who prefer moderate candidates.

FYI: Most of the early Republican primaries in 2012 will be held in states that went blue this past year: Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, Florida, Nevada, etc. South Carolina looks like the only staunch red state among the first five or six …

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM

It’s just that she is such a lightweight…

that doesn’t legitimize your sexist comments about her.

conservative pilgrim on January 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM

It’s just that she Reagan is such a lightweight, I can’t help but laugh at the suggestion that she he could take on Obama Carter in 2012 1980. It would be a dream come true for the Dems.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 2:45 PM

At least that’s the parallel I’m hoping to see over the next four years.

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM

First of all, I seriously dispute the 1 of 50 part. Yes, she has the title “Governor” but my county executive presides over a bigger budget and is elected by a larger electorate than she. You can’t seriously compare running Alaska to running a heftier state like Texas, California or Florida.

If she were a Senator she could sponsor some legislation that she can then refer to in the campaign. Do something high-profile against abortion or waste/fraud/abuse. Without that her resume will still be pretty short in 2012.

Also, she needs screen time, a lot of it. Washington is where the media is at.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Largest geographic area in the nation.

Severe winter storms on a regular basis.

Large government bureacracies and boards to deal with.

You’re right, I can’t compare it to Mexifornia. Mexifornia has no governance, just a sanctuary-city yesman.

Good governance is about how you govern, not how many.

BKennedy on January 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM

BKennedy on January 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Best thing I’ve heard from anyone named Kennedy in a month.

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Speaking of blue.. aren’t you getting lonely without your cronies. Go away troll!

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 2:52 PM

I will assure you Palin will win 2012.

jencab on January 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM

OK, I’ll take your word for it :-).

I hope the primaries are closed, but I doubt the state parties will allow that. Too many of their candidates are ‘moderates’.

kcewa on January 6, 2009 at 2:53 PM

At least that’s the parallel I’m hoping to see over the next four years.

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Thacher is another lightweight she resembles…

the_nile on January 6, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Sorry Marine_Bio, I got my quote backwards above.

conservative pilgrim on January 6, 2009 at 2:47 PM

No worries, and I’m not disagreeing with you that it is demeaning. However on the scale of offensive behavior, there is far worse that has been used and will be used if she comes onto the national stage as a candidate. That is why I find it annoying instead of offensive.

Sarcasm comes from the context of being stated by Factoid, who is not exactly a fan of Palin.

Marine_Bio on January 6, 2009 at 2:57 PM

McCain without Palin would look like the Mondale win, One state (Minnesota).

Palin can’t get the media to leave her alone. She goes back to Alaska, and they just follow her. She is enemy #1 to the Liberal Hack Media, and will be for some time.

I’m just glad I got to see Palin in this election, it was the only shining moment of a ridiculously run campaign. If she doesn’t run in 2012, than maybe ‘16. Leave her alone to run Alaska…they might be the only state in the union that doesn’t turn to taxing cannibalism to survive.

portlandon on January 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM

I know, I know. This joke’s getting old and I’ll stop making it. It’s just that she is such a lightweight, I can’t help but laugh at the suggestion that she could take on Obama in 2012. It would be a dream come true for the Dems.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 2:45 PM

The fact that you don’t see how much of a lightweight Obama is, is the real joke.

She already took on Obama. Somehow, this year it was the VP candidate versus the P candidate, and up until the economic crisis, it was working in her favor.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM

She already took on Obama. Somehow, this year it was the VP candidate versus the P candidate, and up until the economic crisis, it was working in her favor.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM

At let’s not forget that she was ostensibly dancing to the tune of the McCain campaign, hands truly tied. Once unleashed in 2012, I reckon the bullets will slam home.

LimeyGeek on January 6, 2009 at 3:02 PM

I think that by just being Sarah, she will continue to receive scrutiny. The left is suffering from a bad case of hatred for this woman, and by the media is as obliging that syndrome very nicely.

It’s more a case of hatred for themselves – they want a candidate like Obama who doesn’t challenge their selfish and self-indulgent life styles. Sarah, because of the life she’s lived and the values she promotes, pricks their consciences.

That’s the only explanation I can see for their irrational hatred and need to tear her down.

kcewa on January 6, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Whenever or wherever SP runs again the MSM will assault her credibility with both barrels; it will be relentless and vicious; you could run Adolf Hitler against her and SP would still generate the most publicity in the campaign, and all of it negative. Adolf would be touted by the MSM for his ability to build roads and to restore order.

technopeasant on January 6, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Once unleashed in 2012, I reckon the bullets will slam home.

LimeyGeek on January 6, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Personally I’d rather she wait until at least 2016, unless Obama is proven to be a miserable failure (though even then, I’d probably want her to wait).

If Obama is still popular in four years, it won’t matter who runs against him. He’ll win. If he’s not, then it still might not matter who we pick.

I’d rather Palin stay out of the spotlight so that she can come back after having really studied up and prove what we all know to be true of her, that she’s smarter than those two interviews and that she’s more than capable of completely changing the party.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Severe winter storms on a regular basis.

BKennedy on January 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Please tell me you didn’t just list having faced severe winter storms as qualifying experience for being POTUS.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM

I’d rather Palin stay out of the spotlight so that she can come back after having really studied up and prove what we all know to be true of her, that she’s smarter than those two interviews and that she’s more than capable of completely changing the party.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Can’t stay out of the spotlight if you are constantly under the microscope.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM

kcewa on January 6, 2009 at 3:02 PM

I believe the Jungian term for the psychology at work is transference.

Marine_Bio on January 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Please tell me you didn’t just list having faced severe winter storms as qualifying experience for being POTUS.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Fact … is that a problem?

You can’t take a flight, ride a sled, drive a car, or even mush a dog team.. if there is a blizzard and sub zero temps with high winds.

That is a fact of life in Alaska.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Please tell me you didn’t just list having faced severe winter storms as qualifying experience for being POTUS.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Bush was pilloried for his reaction to Katrina. So, yes I’d say that handling natural disasters is a good test of leadership skills.

kcewa on January 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Allahpundit what do u have against Palin anyway. the media has always been against her from the get go. when the final report came out clearing her in trooper gate it didnot get any attention from MSNBc cnn cbs abc . but when the bias report came out a week before saying she should have stop her husband’s involvement all those network covered it

rwoodward6 on January 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Personally I’d rather she wait until at least 2016, unless Obama is proven to be a miserable failure (though even then, I’d probably want her to wait).

That is certainly a serious consideration.

LimeyGeek on January 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Please tell me you didn’t just list having faced severe winter storms as qualifying experience for being POTUS.

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM

I think the poster meant that as Governor of Alaska, Palin has to deal with things that other states don’t. Surely had Blanco not been an idiot and cried on national television, her Katrina experience might have been considered worth while.

And yes, helping a state through the consequences of Mother Nature is far more applicable experience than writing books.

One requires leadership, the other, the exact opposite (and maybe a ghost writer).

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM

That is a fact of life in Alaska.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

I’m sure that’s true. Still it has very little relevance to running the free world, no?

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

That is certainly a serious consideration.

LimeyGeek on January 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I unfortunately have to agree. I just hope that what’s bad for Obama isn’t what’s bad for the US.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

At let’s not forget that she was ostensibly dancing to the tune of the McCain campaign, hands truly tied.

LimeyGeek on January 6, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Sadly, McCain’s tune, at least toward Sarah, was apparently something like this. (Note: no, this is not a rickroll.)

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM

We need the RNC to close the primaries to only republicans.

I will assure you Palin will win 2012.

jencab on January 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I agree with jencab.

Only some were. Remember: McCain won Florida, which proved to be his springboard for Super Tuesday. Maybe you should just accept that there are plenty of moderate Republicans out there who prefer moderate candidates.

FYI: Most of the early Republican primaries in 2012 will be held in states that went blue this past year: Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, Florida, Nevada, etc. South Carolina looks like the only staunch red state among the first five or six …

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM

NH and SC came first. NH is semi-open and I think Indies crossed over to vote for McCain. I’ve read somewhere that they thought O had it in the bag so they went for McCain and that’s a big reason Hill won there. SC is open. McCain won again.

In Florida there were some shenanigans at the primary in south Florida that I read about. To what extent I don’t know. The other thing is that McCain was coming in with momentum and made much of his military background in a state with many bases and military retirees. He was mum or put out a smokescreen about his policies that had made voters irate. I don’t know how the Crist endorsement changed things.

INC on January 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

I’m sure that’s true. Still it has very little relevance to running the free world, no?

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Yes actually it does.

Sayyou are going to a meeting (somewhere in the U.S. or the world) and there is a snow/cyclone/hurricane/tornado/etc that is in the way of that meeting.

Can’t do much for a “free world” when the weather is making it hard for you to do so.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

I’m sure that’s true. Still it has very little relevance to running the free world, no?

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Really, natural disasters are meaningless for a president?

I’m sure Bush would love to hear that Katrina was really no big deal after all.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Only some were. Remember: McCain won Florida, which proved to be his springboard for Super Tuesday. Maybe you should just accept that there are plenty of moderate Republicans out there who prefer moderate candidates. being in the minority party.

FIFY.

thirteen28 on January 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

In Florida there were some shenanigans at the primary in south Florida that I read about. To what extent I don’t know. The other thing is that McCain was coming in with momentum and made much of his military background in a state with many bases and military retirees. He was mum or put out a smokescreen about his policies that had made voters irate. I don’t know how the Crist endorsement changed things.

INC on January 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

When the conservative flavor-of-the-week loses, it’s always about “shenanigans” and voter fraud, isn’t it? Maybe Floridians just liked McCain the best out of the available viable options.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Really, natural disasters are meaningless for a president?

I’m sure Bush would love to hear that Katrina was really no big deal after all.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Yep, only for Republicans, though.

littleguy on January 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Guys,

This poll was done by Fagan and Co. It is false, and I might add irrelevant because Sarah and Lisa are a team now.

Get used to it.

Team Sarah is already working to debunk this.

In case you have not gotten up to speed, Fagan is an oil co. shill and a maggot.

Sapwolf on January 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Sayyou are going to a meeting (somewhere in the U.S. or the world) and there is a snow/cyclone/hurricane/tornado/etc that is in the way of that meeting.

Can’t do much for a “free world” when the weather is making it hard for you to do so.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

…but if you have been the governor of a state frequently hit by blinding snowstorms, you are uniquely qualified to do the right thing, which is … help me out here?

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Yes actually it does.

Sayyou are going to a meeting (somewhere in the U.S. or the world) and there is a snow/cyclone/hurricane/tornado/etc that is in the way of that meeting.

Can’t do much for a “free world” when the weather is making it hard for you to do so.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

You’re getting desperate.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM

FYI: Most of the early Republican primaries in 2012 will be held in states that went blue this past year: Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, Florida, Nevada, etc. South Carolina looks like the only staunch red state among the first five or six …

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM

That’s so stupid. We deserve to lose elections.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Allah… time to get your facts straight!

Dave Dittman, who is the “pollster” is also part of the Dan Fagan movement. That Fat Liberal SLOB, Mr Fagan started to give Levi Johnston crap about his job.. in which Levi quit.

Dan Fagan, ALSO runs this poll on a website he helps host.

Alaska Standard.. a supposedly conservative/progressive site. Which has the original “poll” and numbers.

If you notice.. Dan Fagan is the one who also help write this.

Don’t use KTUU or ADN as they are BOTH liberal media. Thansk!

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Thanks Upinak.

I can’t believe Allah fell for this. It’s embarassing.

Allah,

You need to apologize for this one. This is a dent to your credibility.

Sapwolf on January 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

When the conservative flavor-of-the-week loses, it’s always about “shenanigans” and voter fraud, isn’t it?

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

When Gore and Kerry lost to GWBush, it was always about “shenanigans” and voter fraud, wasn’t it?

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

I think the poster meant that as Governor of Alaska, Palin has to deal with things that other states don’t. Surely had Blanco not been an idiot and cried on national television, her Katrina experience might have been considered worth while.

And yes, helping a state through the consequences of Mother Nature is far more applicable experience than writing books.

One requires leadership, the other, the exact opposite (and maybe a ghost writer).

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Lots of the current Jindal buzz is based on what was perceived as his very “effective” handling of Gustav. It was a bit micromanage-y for my tastes, but the media seemed to like it.

Illinidiva on January 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

When the conservative flavor-of-the-week loses, it’s always about “shenanigans” and voter fraud, isn’t it? Maybe Floridians just liked McCain the best out of the available viable options.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Hmmm voter fraud… Acorn ANYONE?

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

You’re getting desperate.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Hey penis wrinkle.. you ARE deperate. Get a clue will you!

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Our forward observer in Alaska, Upinak has reported back.

And that is good enough for me.

Thanks.

Sapwolf on January 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I said to what extent I don’t know.

INC on January 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM

You cannot understand why it is a credential to be an executive that handles crises with expertise? Really?

This is precisely the sort of insight I want. It speaks volumes about Palin’s competence, backbone and nerve.

LimeyGeek on January 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM

…but if you have been the governor of a state frequently hit by blinding snowstorms, you are uniquely qualified to do the right thing, which is … help me out here?

factoid on January 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Fact right now (and for the last couple of weeks) we have had SUB zero temps. Unsafe for flying in small planes (super cubs etc) which Palin uses to get around the State. Huge pile ups on our highways, due to ice fog build ups. Juneau had to close the airport for a time to clear the run way due to snow piling up.
If you don’t believe me, look it up. The world doesn’t stop for weather, but that area that has the bad weather does stop…

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Hey penis wrinkle.. you ARE deperate. Get a clue will you!

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM

HE WAS IN THE POOL!
HE WAS IN THE POOL!

LimeyGeek on January 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM

When Gore and Kerry lost to GWBush, it was always about “shenanigans” and voter fraud, wasn’t it?

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Just because the other side acted like a bunch of idiots doesn’t mean you should. In politics, sometimes you lose a fair fight.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM

When Gore and Kerry lost to GWBush, it was always about “shenanigans” and voter fraud, wasn’t it?

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

And a stolen election… twice.

If conservatives are using those tactics, they’re at the very least borrowed.

Lots of the current Jindal buzz is based on what was perceived as his very “effective” handling of Gustav. It was a bit micromanage-y for my tastes, but the media seemed to like it.

Illinidiva on January 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Hey, compared to Katrina, I’d think a little micromanaging was necessary.

And exactly. Things like natural disasters show you what a leader is really made of. Apparently Blanco is a crier who never should have been given the reigns of power and who set back feminism 100 years by being such a poor example.

Jindal, however, was able to take charge.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:31 PM

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Thanks, I was just about to ask who Dave Dittman is.

It’s vitally important to know the bio of the person pulling the strings and/or writing the article!

INC on January 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Yep, vitally important to know who completely makes up s**t like this.

Sapwolf on January 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Palin can’t get the media to leave her alone. She goes back to Alaska, and they just follow her. She is enemy #1 to the Liberal Hack Media, and will be for some time.

I’m just glad I got to see Palin in this election, it was the only shining moment of a ridiculously run campaign. If she doesn’t run in 2012, than maybe ‘16. Leave her alone to run Alaska…they might be the only state in the union that doesn’t turn to taxing cannibalism to survive.

The Liberal Hack media, which worked to destroy her credibility in the 2008 election, is working in her favor now. Since all the Troopergate and out-of-wedlock grandchild stuff is old knowledge now, media attention to Palin NOW will only give her more opportunities to refine and improve her image, and present HER point of view, not McCain’s. She no longer has to contrast herself with Bush, but with Obama, who will be blamed for anything that’s wrong in 2012, and she will look better as time goes on. By 2012, voters will look back wistfully and say, “we could have had her in 2008″.

The Senate poll doesn’t mean much now. Sarah Palin and Lisa Murkowski recently co-wrote a joint article in a major Alaska newspaper about how they wanted to work TOGETHER for the interests of Alaska, Palin as Governor, Murkowski as Senator.

Why would Palin want to challenge Lisa Murkowski for a Senate seat if she wants to run for President in 2012? Voters would be unlikely to support Palin if they were unsure that she would serve out her term, while Lisa Murkowski will be an 8-year Senator by 2010, starting to gain seniority and experience and better committee assignments if re-elected, and willing to serve out her term without seeking higher office. Lisa Murkowski has worked hard to distance herself from nepotism charges stemming from her appointment by her father, and she has become “her own woman” by now.

Sarah Palin would do better to run for re-election as Governor in 2010, to have six years’ executive experience by 2012, as well as whatever limelight is left from her 2008 VP run. If the media keep the limelight on her NOW, she will be very strong in 2012, out from under McCain’s shadow, and having to distance herself from Obama, not Bush.

Palin for Governor 2010, and Palin/Jindal 2012.

Steve Z on January 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

More perspective on sarah’s underwhelming support in her home state:

61% – 2004 Alaska vote for bush/cheney
59% – 2008 Alaska vote for mccain/palin

Go sarah!

benny shakar on January 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Fact right now (and for the last couple of weeks) we have had SUB zero temps. Unsafe for flying in small planes (super cubs etc) which Palin uses to get around the State. Huge pile ups on our highways, due to ice fog build ups. Juneau had to close the airport for a time to clear the run way due to snow piling up.
If you don’t believe me, look it up. The world doesn’t stop for weather, but that area that has the bad weather does stop…

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM

In fairness, most of those things are true for places like Chicago, Minneapolis, etc. – not to mention the outlying smaller cities in the northern part of the lower 48. Other places have inhospitable weather too. Careful: if you make your “qualifications” too inclusive, a lot of people will appeared more “qualified” than your own favored candidate.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Go sarah!

benny shakar on January 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

So two percent, and you’re thinking it’s meaningful? Wow. Great job, benny. Now I’ll vote Dem. /s

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM

benny shakar on January 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Cite your source, please.

kingsjester on January 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM

More perspective on sarah’s underwhelming support in her home state:

61% – 2004 Alaska vote for bush/cheney
59% – 2008 Alaska vote for mccain/palin

Go sarah!

benny shakar on January 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

benny go back to licking that flag pole.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I’m looking at my Sarah Palin calendar, juiced up on coffee, listening to Neil Young’s “Heart of Gold”. I ain’t searchin no more.

I’m Fedaykin in Sarah’s People til she abandons this old dog.

(then it’s off to the Jindal sites)

Sapwolf on January 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM

In fairness, most of those things are true for places like Chicago, Minneapolis, etc. – not to mention the outlying smaller cities in the northern part of the lower 48. Other places have inhospitable weather too. Careful: if you make your “qualifications” too inclusive, a lot of people will appeared more “qualified” than your own favored candidate.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Look Troll. There are only two States that you can’t “Drive” too the capital… Alaska and Hawaii! Wow, I guess you learned something new.

With that said.. at least you can still drive around in your State to get where you want to go. Roads are a great thing… which we don’t have a whole hell of a lot up here.. or in Hawaii! idiot.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Cite your source, please.

kingsjester on January 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM

it won’t site crap.

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM

benny shakar on January 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Even more perspective:

2004 Bush votes: 190,889
2008 McCain votes: 193,841

And Benny’s so-called analysis discounts the fact that John Kerry had all the charisma of a brick wall and the economy in 2008 was in the toilet and people were blaming the Republicans for it.

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM

You actually make the case even more for Palin. Other states have this problem too, which even further shows the need for a president to understand these issues.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Yeah, I know. Ain’t it amazing how a Sarah thread brings out the Trolls. And it’s not even nightfall yet.

kingsjester on January 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Yeah, I know. Ain’t it amazing how a Sarah thread brings out the Trolls. And it’s not even nightfall yet.

kingsjester on January 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Benny the fake Alaskan

Big Schnuckumdoodles

Fact – who isn’t that bad but has trolled a couple times.

Dave Drywall… haven’t seen his Canadian butt yet.

yep!

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM

The Liberal Hack media, which worked to destroy her credibility in the 2008 election, is working in her favor now. Since all the Troopergate and out-of-wedlock grandchild stuff is old knowledge now, media attention to Palin NOW will only give her more opportunities to refine and improve her image, and present HER point of view, not McCain’s. She no longer has to contrast herself with Bush, but with Obama, who will be blamed for anything that’s wrong in 2012, and she will look better as time goes on. By 2012, voters will look back wistfully and say, “we could have had her in 2008″.

The Senate poll doesn’t mean much now. Sarah Palin and Lisa Murkowski recently co-wrote a joint article in a major Alaska newspaper about how they wanted to work TOGETHER for the interests of Alaska, Palin as Governor, Murkowski as Senator.

Why would Palin want to challenge Lisa Murkowski for a Senate seat if she wants to run for President in 2012? Voters would be unlikely to support Palin if they were unsure that she would serve out her term, while Lisa Murkowski will be an 8-year Senator by 2010, starting to gain seniority and experience and better committee assignments if re-elected, and willing to serve out her term without seeking higher office. Lisa Murkowski has worked hard to distance herself from nepotism charges stemming from her appointment by her father, and she has become “her own woman” by now.

Sarah Palin would do better to run for re-election as Governor in 2010, to have six years’ executive experience by 2012, as well as whatever limelight is left from her 2008 VP run. If the media keep the limelight on her NOW, she will be very strong in 2012, out from under McCain’s shadow, and having to distance herself from Obama, not Bush.

Palin for Governor 2010, and Palin/Jindal 2012.

Steve Z on January 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Makes total sense. I see it this way too. Thanks Steve Z.

A Cool Mind in a sea of fire.

Sapwolf on January 6, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Hey, compared to Katrina, I’d think a little micromanaging was necessary.

And exactly. Things like natural disasters show you what a leader is really made of. Apparently Blanco is a crier who never should have been given the reigns of power and who set back feminism 100 years by being such a poor example.

Jindal, however, was able to take charge.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Jindal acted a bit like a mid-level bureacrat (which is what he was before running for governor). It is important for a governor to be in charge and to his credit, Bobby was definitely in charge. However, some of his actions were too much micromanaging (going to stadiums to check on generators, etc.). Jindal was lucky that there were really no big Gustav problems. If he was counting the number of canned goods at the shelters in Baton Rogue when an emergency came (the NO levees broke), then he’d have had a real problem on his hands.

Illinidiva on January 6, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Look Troll. There are only two States that you can’t “Drive” too [sic] the capital… Alaska and Hawaii!
upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM

“We drive through your country to get even to our own state capital.”
-sarah palin compares Alaska and Canada, 12/9/2008

benny shakar on January 6, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Indeed Benny, a 2% drop on an 11% lead in a horrible year for Republicans is intimidating.

Anyway, the thrust of my post was: Palin has to deal with statewide emergencies on a far more frequent basis than many other Governors, including those in the Northern Plains.

I live in MA and know basically nothing about Alaska, so I’m sure upinak could have made a much more comprehensive list of Alaska-specific issues. Pipelines running through Canada and the diplomacy that entails could also have made the list.

The fact is, at the end of the day a Governor still has to run an entire state. The only time I’d consider otherwise is Rhode Island, because basically the Mayor of Providence has more power than Governor Carcieri [Rhode Island at this point IS Providence + suburbs + exurbs]. Though I would vote for Carcieri if he ran for President (he’s Republican).

Alaska may have poor population density, but the roads between major hubs still have to be cleared, Pipelines must still run, the economy must still be self-sufficient, budgets must still be made and executed, and all state property must be properly maintained and replaced.

Those are just a few of the things a Governor has to do, whether they’re in populous New York or sparse Alaska. You can scre up a $12 billion budget just as easily as you can screw up a $112 billion budget.

BKennedy on January 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM

You actually make the case even more for Palin. Other states have this problem too, which even further shows the need for a president to understand these issues.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Maybe that’s true, but:

1.) What has Palin done to show that she’s better at dealing with this stuff than others? Just getting snowed on while governor does not count.

2.) I thought you guys and gals were of the persuasion that the Federal government shouldn’t be in the business of taking care of snow removal. I guess “federalism” goes out the window when it might hurt an argument for the favored candidate.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM

And then noneya will show up and try to turn it into a gay marriage thread.

kingsjester on January 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM

More perspective on sarah’s underwhelming support in her home state:

61% – 2004 Alaska vote for bush/cheney
59% – 2008 Alaska vote for mccain/palin

Go sarah!

benny shakar on January 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

You quote 2 percentage points as some kind of huge swing in demographics. Your Shepard OBAHHHHMA couldn’t distance himself from Hillary Clinton to save his life. Obama couldn’t win states that were promised to him. King maker “Oldsmobile” Ted Kennedy promising Massachusetts during the primaries, & “Hungry Hungry Hippo- I spit on this” Clair McCaskill promising Missouri in the general election.

Bunny Shaker, you are a troll like no other…than maybe Big S (Big ASS).

portlandon on January 6, 2009 at 3:49 PM

upinak on January 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM

You forgot DeathtoMediaHacks.

INC on January 6, 2009 at 3:50 PM

1.) What has Palin done to show that she’s better at dealing with this stuff than others? Just getting snowed on while governor does not count.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Two responses:

1. In general, one thing that distinguishes Gov. Palin from other governors (not necessarily snow-specific) is that Alaska is one of the very few states still in the black.

2. Anyone who thinks it’s easy to manage winter weather should take another look at Seattle, about two weeks ago.

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Take your left wing poll and shove it where the sun doesn`t shine

HAGGS99 on January 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Who stated that there was federal intervention involved?

The statement was essentially that there is a degree of familiarity with Mother Nature’s ugly side that Governor Palin has that is applicable at the national level.

You’re digging too deeply and beginning to make yourself look very foolish.

Marine_Bio on January 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM

1.) What has Palin done to show that she’s better at dealing with this stuff than others? Just getting snowed on while governor does not count.

Try listening to the Alaskans for that one. They haven’t been quiet and likely have much more to say on the subject.

2.) I thought you guys and gals were of the persuasion that the Federal government shouldn’t be in the business of taking care of snow removal. I guess “federalism” goes out the window when it might hurt an argument for the favored candidate.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM

And I guess you enjoy throwing out blanket statements in questions that must have been rhetorical since you didn’t wait for an answer.

No one’s saying that Palin needs to oversea snow shoveling. They’re merely saying that she has experience dealing with natural disasters, something that is unique to Alaska. This isn’t to say that that alone makes her more qualified, but this was merely a statement replying to another that was saying Alaska was too small.

Yes, it’s population is small, but it’s problems are not and require someone who can lead.

That was the whole point. Feel free to make up my reply if it makes you feel any better about your own political ideals.

From where I stand though, the only hypocrites are the Democrats who couldn’t make up their minds this last year whether or not experience matters, first with Obama, then flipped again with Palin, then flipped one more time with Princess Kennedy.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM

So unless someone with conservative credentials writes it, it’s automatically false and without merit? Nice logic circle you’ve constructed there.

As for Palin. Palin is why the GOP as a party, is screwed. But not because she will bring the party down,but precisely because the people who love her REALLY love her and will probably follow her anywhere. That split extends to the top of the Republican party. The 2012 Republican primary is going to be ugly and its going to do even more damage to the Reagan coalition than this one did. If the Republicans are smart they will have CLOSED primaries. Palin will win and they’ll have their best shot, hopefully pulling in women voters of all backgrounds. If Palin doesn’t win alot of her supporters will go home and not come back for November.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM

WRONG on so many levels except I agree that primaries must be closed.

I will fight for Sarah. But if she loses in the primary (assuming she is even running for 2012), I will 180 turn FOR the nominee of the GOP against the party of death, taxes, socialism, persecution of Christians, leviathan, secularism, hate, etc.

Sarah will not run negative in the primaries against other GOP candidates, and I would not be surprised if she helped the winning GOP primary candidate to campaign in the general election.

But if any GOP primary opponent goes negative on Sarah during the primaries and throws mud at her as opposed to simply arguing policy, I’ll throw the kitchen sink at him.

Like a Rottweiler protecting the home of their master, we’ll close around her with most teeth showing and their won’t be nothin reasonable about it.

I was so pissed off when Huckabee’s camp went after Romney’s Mormon religion and went negative. He played the religion card on another GOP primary candidate. It made me want to vomit, and I’m not a Romney fan.

Ronnie was right. Republicans should not be hurting each other. It is NOT a zero-sum game.

Sapwolf on January 6, 2009 at 3:57 PM

2. Anyone who thinks it’s easy to manage winter weather should take another look at Seattle, about two weeks ago.

Snowed In on January 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

No joke. My sister’s up there, and they couldn’t even get around anywhere, neither could the mailman.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM

From where I stand though, the only hypocrites are the Democrats who couldn’t make up their minds this last year whether or not experience matters, first with Obama, then flipped again with Palin, then flipped one more time with Princess Kennedy.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Indeed. We’re seeing it again with Panetta, who may become the next CIA director.

littleguy on January 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Here’s just one one example of sarah’s awesome leadership skills in dealing with Alaskas’s winter weather.

benny shakar on January 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

From where I stand though, the only hypocrites are the Democrats who couldn’t make up their minds this last year whether or not experience matters, first with Obama, then flipped again with Palin, then flipped one more time with Princess Kennedy.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Is it a flip or a philosophy?

Experience only matters when you are conservative, and even then it has to be the “right experience”…

i.e. being Governor of the largest state, loaded with natural resources both living and mineral, which drives international trade and don’t forget that the state has managed to be in the black during severe economic stress…that doesn’t matter. They have a small population!

This is the line of “reasoning” that seems to still creep into these discussions. When will it die?

I think if it all goes to hell that Alaska will still manage to be in the black. That isn’t just the Governor, it is also the state’s resources.

Marine_Bio on January 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

The Senate is the crappiest possible place for a movement conservative. This is good news.

Valiant on January 6, 2009 at 4:06 PM

These are not “old family names”. They’re made-up crap that

will probably end up embarrassing the kid when he grows up. If he goes by Easton – his first middle name – he can join his mom in the “Towns in Connecticut” naming theme, but Easton Johnston doesn’t really roll off the tongue. My guess: Mitch Johnston, taking advantage of the second middle name.

Big S on January 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Actually, having an unusual name usually helps a person in life, as long as the name isn’t obscene.

Secondly, are Malia and Sasha “normal” names?

kcewa on January 6, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Here’s just one one example of sarah’s awesome leadership skills in dealing with Alaskas’s winter weather.

benny shakar on January 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

And here’s proof of Obama’s awesome leadership skills.

Esthier on January 6, 2009 at 4:07 PM

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