Video: Ron Paul laments Israel’s “preemptive” war
posted at 2:25 pm on January 5, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Not so much moral equivalence as moral indifference: In almost seven minutes, he can’t muster so much as a pro forma condemnation of Hamas. Just what you’d expect from a guy who once asserted in the same breath that (a) he wouldn’t act to stop Iranian nukes and (b) Iran presents no threat to its neighbors. You’ll find that same logic at work here as he rues the spread of “preemptive war” — evidently 3,000 rockets fired into Israel don’t count as a first strike — before reminding America that Middle Eastern warfare is a bloody fact of life. In other words, this might not have happened if Bush hadn’t mainstreamed preemption by invading Iraq. Even though it’s been happening for centuries.
He doesn’t touch on proportionality but it’s clear enough where he stands given his passing reference to thousands of Qassams as “a few small missiles.” The one point I haven’t seen anyone raise on this subject is that the ethic of proportionality tacitly guarantees Hamas’s survival, which in turn guarantees that a two-state solution is impossible. Realistically, there’s no circumstance in which a months-long campaign to destroy the group would be a “proportional” response; the only one that would qualify is if Hamas somehow raised an army to invade and conquer Israel. So long as they’re incapable of doing that, useful idiots like this will criticize Israel for overreacting. And if they ever are capable of doing it, rest assured, they’ll give them moral cover then, too. Proportionality operates in only one direction.
Other bits and pieces to watch for: Ron Paul, who voted for the war in Afghanistan, whining about escalation in Afghanistan, plus his blink-and-you’ll-miss-it defense of Iran intervening on the side of Hamas given the fact of U.S. aid to Israel. Exit question one: He says the Palestinians are living in a sort of “concentration camp.” Whom, pray tell, does he imagine is playing the role of the SS in this analogy? Exit question two: Tangentially related, is it really true as Bill Kristol says that a heavy blow to Hamas in Gaza will be “a real setback for Iran”? Granted, it’ll make the Sunni states in the neighborhood a bit bolder in standing up to them, but how is it going to stop the nuclear program?
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How long until lodge shows up and calls us all neo-cons?
BadgerHawk on January 5, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Ahh, if only the Allies had launched a pre-emptive war against Hitler…..
It’s a darn sight better than when someone called me a Jew beyotch on the street this weekend. Then again, maybe not.
mjk on January 5, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Ron Paul needs to take an enforced three month vacation to Sderot.
Realist on January 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM
I especially like how he says we’ll be rightfully blamed along with Israel for this.
BadgerHawk on January 5, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Ron who?
upinak on January 5, 2009 at 2:31 PM
He squares the circle with the loonie libs.
Because he has some decent economic concepts, most of his supporters don’t know what a fool he really is.
notagool on January 5, 2009 at 2:31 PM
“…a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing.”
Shakespeare
backwoods conservative on January 5, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Too bad this loser didn’t beat McCain.
omnipotent on January 5, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Brain dead!
grapeknutz on January 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Ron Paul is a total crank but it is a fact that Israel’s strategic value to the United States, the entire region for that matter, has declined significantly since 1991.
alex342 on January 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Go sell crazy somewhere else. We’re all full here.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 5, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Ron-seriously-Go Away.
You are always half right. Just when I think I like what I’m hearing, you come out & talk stupid.
Palestinians living in a concentration camp?! What a crock of crap!
They’re there bcs their fellow Muslims want to keep them there to stir the pot.
Israel is worth supporting. Sometimes you just have to do the right thing-which seems to NEVER be popular.
Badger40 on January 5, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Who’s Ron Paul?
D2Boston on January 5, 2009 at 2:33 PM
5…4…3…2…1
Lance Murdock on January 5, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Nice to see that there is one thing that can unit the extremists of the left and right: hatred of the Jooz!
J.J. Sefton on January 5, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Funny how some slurs are still tolerated.
I realize that much of Paul’s platform is something I’d like, but I could never, ever get past his idiocy on foreign policy.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Indeed. Case in point: Too bad this loser didn’t beat McCain. omnipotent on January 5, 2009 at 2:31 PM
wise_man on January 5, 2009 at 2:34 PM
first youtube vid without the side bars!
hanzblinx on January 5, 2009 at 2:34 PM
The reason I stopped voting Libertarian after Sept. 11, 2001. There are those out there who want to do us harm, and they are acting on their own agenda, not merely reacting to ours.
rbj on January 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Exit Answer 1: Like Jimmy Carter, Ron Paul has a poor sense of history
Exit Answer 2: It won’t stop Iran’s nuclear program, nor will it stop them from using it on Israel.
He might have a point on the economics, but he’s really reaching by tying it as support for Israel
Kini on January 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM
It’s real simple, Ron. This war is part of the same one you voted for in Afghanistan. It’s the U.S. and Israel vs. hamas and al qeada … get it?
Tony737 on January 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM
alex342 on January 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Meh. Lodge wannabe….
J.J. Sefton on January 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM
No. Who’s ron first!
Shy Guy on January 5, 2009 at 2:36 PM
And yet the Paul-loving whackjobs will still show up here and insist that he should have been given the nomination, he could have beat Obama, etc. etc. etc.
Oh, and of course, he’s not anti-semetic, never mind his Jew-bashing newsletter (written by Lew Rockwell, of course, Paul knew nothing … right) and his complete inability to condemn an organization like Hamas whose only goal is to kill Jews.
thirteen28 on January 5, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Typical “Big L” libertarian – a big mouth and no brain.
mojo on January 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Whatever Gramps said I don’t care.
I do find it interesting that so much attention is given to this “crisis.”
It’s a big world
Why does everyone care so much about this?
VolMagic on January 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM
I’m tired of hearing of a ‘two state solution’. We already have that – Israel and Jordan. Does nobody read history anymore? The fact that some former residents of Transjordan are not welcome in Jordan is no excuse for terrorism against Jews, and should not be used as a pretext to cut another slice of land. It will only lead to further calls for more and more land until the ultimate aim is realized – no land for Jews.
Vashta.Nerada on January 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Here’s the Paulnuts: Joos! Joos! Joos! WTC #7! Jooos!! Joos!!
Illinidiva on January 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Although he is correct about the inflation monster that is coming, he is sadly wrong about nearly everything else.
Is it me or does he never pose any solutions?
sayabule1 on January 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM
That’s what I’ve found talking with Libertarians on virtually any issue, foreign or domestic.
Y-not on January 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM
it was really nice to not have to deal with him for a while. i’m sad he’s back
mmoran0226 on January 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Leon Ponetta to be named new boss of the CIA.
SoulGlo on January 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Eff Him.
CynicalOptimist on January 5, 2009 at 2:42 PM
It’s a shame. The guy has really attractive ideas on domestic policy, but on foreign policy, I place him just below Carrot Top in my choices for decision-makers.
MadisonConservative on January 5, 2009 at 2:42 PM
+1
+2
wise_man on January 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM
At best, Paul is a waste of time.
rplat on January 5, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Gee I wonder what Ron Paul would have to say if the Alabama-Coushatta Indians in Tyler County were firing rockets from their reservation at his constituents in Chambers County?
Texas Gal on January 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM
At least Mr. Almondjoy is consistent……sometimes you feel like a nut!
dmann on January 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Another good reason why he isn’t fit to be President, and never will be. Only criticisms, never solutions. The typical liberal.
afotia on January 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM
McCain? He couldn’t even beat Huck.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM
“Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
creeps in its petty pace from day to day
and all our yesterdays have lighted fools
the way to dusty death.
Out, out brief candle.
Life is but a walking shadow
A poor player who struts and frets his hour on the stage,
and then is heard no more.
It is a tail told by an idiot,
full of sound and furry, signifying nothing.”
…
From memory, so I know I’ve screwed up the line breaks, and probably the punctuation.
The things that stay with us from high school…
Count to 10 on January 5, 2009 at 2:48 PM
A man smart but foolish.
Mason on January 5, 2009 at 2:48 PM
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I have written much on Ron Paul, but my main post on him is entitled, “Ron Pauls Marxist and 9/11 Truther Ties.” I have personally met Ron Paul, Ezola Foster (remember, she was the vice pres choice of Pat Buchanan), and can say from being an ex John Bircher, that the New World Order mentality (conspiratorial view of history) runs deep through Ron Paul.
He is also, from having met him, a soft-Anti-Semite, as are many of the Southern Californian John Birchers. In fact, Ezola Foster use to have a book store which I frequented, there is still a John Birch bookstore close by that I have added (both as a believer in the NWO and now a skeptic of this view) to my home library.
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papa_giorgio on January 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM
the guy is an Anti-American nutjob, he is not anti-War, he is Anti-American.
And there is a reason why, Murray Rothbard(his idol) was the same way. Both Useful Idiots of the Far-Left who influence them greatly on these issues.
jp on January 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Stormfront strikes again with his wishy-washy, insanity-based thinking. I heard Ron Paul was getting together with Cythia McKinney to use his dirigible to deliver aid to the Palestinians.
Sadly, I think the Israeli Air Force will be less amenable to the Paulnut blimp that the Israeli Navy was to the SS Moonbat.
BKennedy on January 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Every once in a while Paul says something I can get behind… Then he goes back to his whacky roots… How can one of sound mind thing that Israel ought not to have attacked Hamas for the hundreds and hundreds of rockets they’ve fired indiscriminately at Israeli children?
Doppleganker on January 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM
someone who is Anti-War would spend a good bit of time condemming Hamas.
A Terrorist organization which has in its Charter the DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL as its objective. Terrorist who Saddam Hussein Financed and have killed many Americans along with Israeli’s.
but oh yeah, the Jews are behind the Federal Reserve and control the world. almost forgot.
Don’t forget this tool had “Occupied Palestine” down as a place for his Campaign Donor’s to reside.
jp on January 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM
That great intellectual, the professional wrestler known as Kane, did campaign for him in the election. So, he’s got that going for him.
kingsjester on January 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Usefuluseless idiot.NeighborhoodCatLady on January 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Moral Indifference = Isolationism
BohicaTwentyTwo on January 5, 2009 at 2:54 PM
As a nutty isolationist, shouldn’t he not care what another state does… or is that where the nutty comes into play?
frankj on January 5, 2009 at 2:54 PM
But how can he be wrong? “Dr. Paul” has “seen over 4,000 v*ginas.”
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on January 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM
funny thing about the Paultards, currently they are talking up how great and “Libertarian” Hong Kong is as a place to move to. They have a “free market” you know.
except for the fact that HOng Kong exist today, and share many Western Values, all thanks to what they absolutely hate: “British Imperialism”. Where do these idiots think the English Common Law, learning business, trade(classical liberalism), English influenced school system, etc…came from???
jp on January 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Well, if Keith Olbermann is the Edward R. Murrow of our time, does this make RuPaul the George Washington of this time?
/sarc
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM
I got the same king of feeling reading the last part of “Atlas Shrugged.” Rand seems to repeat all of the basic principles of the Marxist/Leninist, just with who is considered the user and the used reversed.
I was disappointed.
Count to 10 on January 5, 2009 at 2:56 PM
HIVEMIND
BohicaTwentyTwo on January 5, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on January 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM
So has Hugh Hefner. But, I don’t trust his opinion on foreign policy either.
kingsjester on January 5, 2009 at 2:58 PM
he’s on record a couple years ago claiming the Afghan war is fought ‘mainly for Oil Pipelines’, this being a war he voted for of course.
an “Authorization of Military Force” which was vague, he voted for. yet he claims a less vague version of the same thing with Iraq was “unconstitutional”
jp on January 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Total ding-bat; how is he still getting press….??
Tom66 on January 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM
The US has had a long tradition of selling arms to one side. We can let them go at it, but just choose to sell the Israel.
I don’t think it is the US business what Israel does. Personally, I think they should push the Palestinian Muslims into the sea….wouldn’t that be an irony.
Tim Burton on January 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Sorry, AP, but no Ron Paul post is complete without the use of “Bircheresque crank”.
ReubenJCogburn on January 5, 2009 at 3:05 PM
heh…..
inbound I am certain….
Sven10077 laments Ron Paul.
sven10077 on January 5, 2009 at 3:07 PM
Here is why Ron Paul is important and sometime should be spent towards shaming him and his moral idiocy(not to mention lies, smears, half-truths). In short the internet and mass communications.
His view will never gain the type of traction to actually get elected and implemented. For Practical reasons and the fact there are enough Repubs. who are informed, don’t hate israel, aren’t in the gutter morally, etc.
However there still are some Paleo’s flexing their muscles, who want to beleive alot of this stuff. He is attempting to persuade them to the “Ron Paul’s way or the highway” route, and we need some of these votes. Basically Paul is trying to ensure Democratic rule for decades. Palin is the key here, many of these idiots like her even though she doesn’t agree with them on foreign policy.
jp on January 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM
dude needs to look up the meaning of “pre-emptive”.
homesickamerican on January 5, 2009 at 3:13 PM
There is a lot I like about Ron Paul. That being said, foreign policy is where we part company-hard!
He seems to think we can put the Teddy Roosevelt/Woodrow Wilson foreign intervention genie back in the bottle.
Congressman Paul, that train left the station over 8 decades ago.
Amendment X on January 5, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Tru dat, playa!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 5, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Is Hamas Charter not itself a Declaration of War against Israel? along with firing rockets into Israel? and I thought Ron Paul beleived in Just War Theory?
jp on January 5, 2009 at 3:19 PM
actually, that genie goes back to the founding fathers. but that gets into a whole other part of history he(and many) are either misinformed on or lying about to their followers.
jp on January 5, 2009 at 3:21 PM
also, Trade(which he claims to be for, while oppossing NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO) is Intervention.
Trade itself is very interventionism, since the stronger country dictates the type of Business Law used, introduces Culutres to each other(think Hollywood) and so forth.
but they beleive that by simply trading with a country, makes war impossible. Too bad history doesn’t agree with them and things like Nationalistic Pride and Power tend to be Trump cards
jp on January 5, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Doesn’t it mean that since Israel still exists Hamas obviously hasn’t damaged them enough to deserve to be hit with any force?
Seriously though, Ron Paul is such a blathering nutjob… I don’t understand how so many of my friends are such big fans of his.
OneGyT on January 5, 2009 at 3:24 PM
in the Cuban Missle Crisis we used the supposedly new Doctrine of “Pre-Emption”, in fact the doctrine goes back ages. only an idiot would say you declare to do nothing until you are nuked yourself and then whats left of you fires back.
jp on January 5, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Paul, as nutty as he and his followers are, makes an excellent case for the political spectrum being a circle instead of a line. I mean, it’d be safe to say that both he and Michael Moore want Bush thrown in prison for treason.
Ryan Gandy on January 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Hmmm I wish someone would ask what his opinion would be if Israel didn’t invade but instead just randomly made anti-personnel artillery strikes into Gazan neighborhoods for the next 5yrs or so?
C-Low on January 5, 2009 at 3:33 PM
You mean sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting “LALALA I can’t hear you!!” is not a viable foreign policy? Are you sure?
Anybody who pals around with Alex Jones is deserving of more contempt than even I can send his way. Doctah Paul, you are an embarassment to conservatism, to whatever extent you are conservative. Were it not for the fact that my Senators are Chuck Schumer and an illegal alien from Camelot, I would point in the direction of your district and laugh.
trubble on January 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM
30% of Repubs in Pauls district voted against Paul and for his opponent who didn’t have much money. I figure with proper funding, paul could be beat in a primary rather easily.
jp on January 5, 2009 at 3:37 PM
+1 Indeed. There is a lot of that going around.
Well, but he does have really attractive ideas on domestic policy!!!!
wise_man on January 5, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Juan Queeg in a funhouse mirror.
sven10077 on January 5, 2009 at 3:43 PM
To call him a tool would be an insult to hammers, screwdrivers, wrenches, et al, but unfortunately it’s the closest analogy.
PJ Emeritus on January 5, 2009 at 3:45 PM
So that’s the name of your invisible friend? How cute.
wise_man on January 5, 2009 at 3:47 PM
yup I lost my invisible friend…..
he answers to Juan Queeg or “the distinguished conservative Senator from Arizona”….
hasn’t been seen or heard from since a long time ago in the election cycle mi amigo.
sven10077 on January 5, 2009 at 3:49 PM
This man is coming ever closer to being racist.Mr Paul you are no consev.you and your kind make me sick.
thmcbb on January 5, 2009 at 3:51 PM
I don’t think he’s a fool, but I don’t think he has a good grasp on Islam’s political/ideological wing. Pat Buchanan doesn’t either, but he seems to be coming around on that issue lately.
DFCtomm on January 5, 2009 at 3:51 PM
How about sticking “a few small missiles” straight up Ron Paul’s ass and launching him into the stratosphere?
We all need some levity these days.
NoDonkey on January 5, 2009 at 3:53 PM
100% pure unadulterated bigoted moonbat:
The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters
Angry White Man
Fvck him.
Andy in Agoura Hills on January 5, 2009 at 3:57 PM
It depends upon how you define “survival,” upon whether you presume that military measures are the only ones capable of reducing the relevance of Hamas and its (current and historical) program, and, most important, how you interpret proportionality. It is true that support for Hamas, as demonstrated by the twisting of proportionality and just war ethics on its behalf, amounts to… support for Hamas.
CK MacLeod on January 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Cold Fury, in referring to Ron Paul says,
Amen to that.
Rump Awl is so dogmatic about his isolationism he’s going all ‘ostrich’ in the face of the greatest existential threat of the modern world – namely the hedgemonic aspirations of militant Islam. Crazy Ron’s approach isn’t moral. In fact, he’s advocating the immoral capitulation of a government’s God-ordained responsibility to protect the innocent from evil-doers.
All of my fellow evangelicals who’ve bought into this crap need to go back and re-read some scripture starting with Romans 13:3,4.
Scripture calls individual believers to personal peace-making (”love thine enemy”), and governments to the execution of justice. We expose our biblical ignorance when we conflate the two.
The Ritz on January 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Ron Paul…of all the things he has lost (like the nomination for president) it’s his mind he misses the most!
Liberty or Death on January 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM
I had a guy tell me once, when I asked why he supported Ron Paul, “that we need to investigate 9.11 again and get the Jews out of the federal reserve system”
honest truth
joey24007 on January 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM
“Not so much moral equivalence as moral indifference”
Morality doesn’t even exist in the equation Allah there is no morality to equivocate or to be indifferent of, I thought a skeptic of skygods would understand the utility of skygods better. The whole thing is a great example of some of the things that skygods are used for, land acquisition, money laundering, and killing. The only place that morality might even enter into the equation is pity for those dumb enough to believe in skygods, but I have no pity for willful blindness anymore, leave that to the idealists who live in their little fantasyland, Ron is one of them. To assume that those directing the land acquisition, money laundering, and killing actually believe in the skygods themselves…well you know what happens when you assume something. As Rambam said, it’s all just “deceptive imaginings” for the lazy and they are getting what they are owed.
The Zionists stole the land, the Arabs were dumb enough to lose it, let them kill each other like idiots and get rich off of somebody other than the US Taxpayer. It be like if a foreign nation gave us money to enact Andrew Jackson’s trail of tears, a dumb investment. They have the idiots dominated, let them clean up their own mess, and that means not getting in their way to reopen negiotiations either, because we are just delaying the inevitable and spending money we don’t have doing it. People have been screwed out of land since the beginning of time, I am not going to shed a tear for the Native American nor for the Palestinian, but I shouldn’t have to pay the tab either.
LevStrauss on January 5, 2009 at 4:26 PM
What’s curious about Ron Paul’s district is that he is not representative of the thinking of his constituency for the most part. Mostly they are red-blooded rednecks, Anglo, Asian, Black and Hispanic who work in the petroleum, chemical, and coastal industries.
You’re right jp, someone with the money could beat him as a Republican candidate. And he knows it that’s why he kept his presidential campaign going … money.
Texas Gal on January 5, 2009 at 4:31 PM
part of Paul’s district is NASA, and lots of NASA employees and companies that feed off NASA. Paul is on record claiming NASA is unconstitutional and should be done away with.
All a candidate has to do is bring that up, and point out Thomas Jefferson funded the Louis and Clark Explorations with Federal Tax dollars. Then bring up all the embarrassing stuff like this, the newsletters, wanting to abolish the FBI and CIA, Alex Jones stuff, etc. and with money he’s toast.
Problem is GOP needs to target Dem seats and allocate resources apprioately. Eh, maybe if I win powerball I’ll make it my personal vendetta with the winnings.
jp on January 5, 2009 at 4:37 PM
True but supporting Israel is stupid policy. If we want to keep the resources flowing, Israel is a bad investment in dollars and lost political capital. The only reason we follow this policy is because of powerful greedy interest groups. It’s a waste and the ROI is not there.
LevStrauss on January 5, 2009 at 4:38 PM
If Isreal is abolished, “Wiped out”, and Hamas/Iran wins and conquers them effectively. Then a large portion of the Muslim world will rally to them, a scary proposition.
also, Israel produces intellectual capital for the world in business, medical research, etc. The Arab world produces absolutely nothing except for Oil and the Jihad Ideology which is hell bent on destroying the Western World to be replaced with a Shariah Caliphate
jp on January 5, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Well, for a start, he wants to secure the borders…oh, that’s right. You don’t like candidates with that stance.
MadisonConservative on January 5, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Actually, it isn’t. Just because HotAir.com forgot to tell you that Israel has cut off the energy, food and medicine supplies to Palestine for months now doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
HotAir forgot to tell you that even Olmert said that Israel should return to the 1967 borders.
HotAir forgot to tell you that the UN General Assembly PResident said that Israel should be sanctioned for the treatment of the Palentinians.
HotAir forgot to mention that there is a right wing non-violent of Hamas that was aggressively negotiating through Egypt.
HotAIr forgot to tell you that both Palestine and Israel wanted to postpone the elections, but the US insisted, despite the polls indicating that Hamas would win.
Did HotAir tell you that Israel stopped sending the Palentinians their share (worth billions now) of the taxes and duties that were collected in accordiance with the Oslo accords?
Ron Paul is right. Again.
It’s not a soccer game. It’s a chess match, and both sides are making moves in the game.
And met me stop you – just because I don’t cheer for Israel doesn’t mean I am anti-semetic. I didn’t vote for Obama, but that doesn’t make me a racist. It’s the same thing.
angelat0763 on January 5, 2009 at 4:41 PM
I’m not so sure he really wanted to do that, but instead chose that issue to attempt to garner some conservative angst votes. Given his past record and Libertarianism in general.
on the other hand he’s into NAU trutherism and is from Texas, so who knows.
jp on January 5, 2009 at 4:43 PM
That statement alone tells me you know nothing about the history of Texas politics.
angelat0763 on January 5, 2009 at 4:44 PM
You’re apparently more of a “truther” than he is, choosing to make up facts and ignore reality!
angelat0763 on January 5, 2009 at 4:46 PM
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