Homeland Security and Michael Yon: It’s On
posted at 11:15 am on January 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Michael Yon has provided us a unique and desperately needed perspective in two theaters of war when the rest of the media chose to end embedding with the troops. Today, he brings us another perspective on Homeland Security. When a friend of Yon’s from Thailand attempted to enter the US, she got a rather unpleasant introduction to America — and Yon himself got caught up in the bureaucratic wrangling:
Problems began when she entered the airport in Bangkok. Aew had a one-way ticket to America, because we would travel back in the direction of the war before she would go home, but we did not know our exact itinerary, so she hadn’t bought a round-trip ticket back to Thailand. Before boarding the flight from Thailand to America, Northwest Airlines required Aew to buy a return ticket for 53,905 Thai bhat, or about $1,200 for a return ticket, else they would not let her board the flight. Aew paid by her credit card and pushed on. Understandably, it raises suspicions when a foreign national doesn’t have a round-trip ticket in an age of massive illegal immigration — even if that person is an educated professional with a home and career, and even though Aew has a ten-year visa to the United States. Nevertheless, Aew paid approximately $1,200 for the return ticket, and so now had a return ticket. …
While the U.S. Immigration officer named Knapp rifled through all her belongings, Aew sat quietly. She was afraid of this man, who eventually pushed a keyboard to Aew and coerced her into giving up the password to her e-mail address. Officer Knapp read through Aew’s e-mails that were addressed to me, and mine to her. Aew would tell me later that she sat quietly, but “Inside I was crying.” She had been so excited to finally visit America. America, the only country ever to coerce her at the border. This is against everything I know about winning and losing the subtle wars. This is against everything I love about the United States. We are not supposed to behave like this. Aew would tell me later that she thought she would be arrested if she did not give the password.
The Government of the United States was reading the private e-mails of a U.S. citizen (me). The Department of “Homeland Security” was at work, intimidating visitors with legitimate visas. They had at least 24 hours to check her out before she landed in the United States. What kind of security is this? The Department of Homeland Security was at this moment more like the Department of Intimidation.
Officer Knapp called my phone as I was driving to the Orlando airport. I was going to be there two hours early to make sure I would be on time, so that she had a warm welcome to my country. But instead, Knapp was busy detaining Aew in Minneapolis and was on my cell phone asking all types of personal questions that he had no business asking. Sensing that Aew was in trouble, I answered his questions. Mr. Knapp was a rude smart aleck. The call is likely recorded and that recording would bear out my claims. This officer of the United States government, a grown man, had coerced personal information from a Thai woman who weighs 90 pounds. I asked Aew later why she gave him the e-mail password, and she answered simply, “I was afraid,” and “I thought I would be arrested.”
What could I say to alleviate any of this? Could I say, “This is the U.S., nothing to be afraid of.”? The world already sees us as senseless bullies. Aew might have been detained indefinitely; even I was concerned that the Department of Homeland Security might detain Aew for no reason. Essentially, she had no rights. They had already coerced her e-mail password out of her head through intimidation.
I trust and respect Yon, and I’m certain that he has reported his experiences here accurately, from his perspective. Anyone who deals with law enforcement at any level occasionally runs across those who believe themselves to be the biggest fish in their little pond, and do not brook questions or criticism without a heaping dose of scorn on those whom they purportedly serve. In my previous career, I worked with law enforcement and emergency agencies all across the nation, and while most were pleasant and professional, I could have written a book about the exceptions.
However, it’s important to note that we are getting one side of this story. Homeland Security exists to check each entry into the US closely for any indication of potential threat. Ninety-pound people can be terrorists, too, and even people from friendly Thailand might have some bad intentions for entering the country. Obviously, Knapp didn’t know Aew like Michael knows her, which is part of the reason for screening on entry. I’d bet that the one-way ticket flagged her for further review in Minneapolis.
The part about the e-mail does seem quite disturbing. Unless they had some tangible reason to suspect her of illegal activities, Homeland Security doesn’t have any business demanding her password for her Internet account. Using the revamped FISA legislation, they could track her communications (even with a US citizen like Michael), but she should not have had to cough up her password to gain entry into the US. At any rate, it’s a waste of time for Homeland Security to demand it, as Aew will have almost certainly changed the password by now, and probably did so immediately after being released.
Michael is correct in stating that we should treat visitors better than how he describes Aew’s ordeal, and that there are some legitimate questions surrounding her treatment. It sounds like Aew ran into an officious, ego-tripping dink, and Lord knows we have enough of them in the government. Hopefully, Officer Knapp is a limited exception to the rule of professionalism at Homeland Security.










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The dept of homeland security yet another epic Bush failure.
unseen on January 5, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Mike is pissed. This Knapp guy is toast. He shouldn’t have messed with that lady.
juliesa on January 5, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Tough to judge this situation without knowing all sides of the story.
The HS people have a tough job and if they let someone through who ends up killing a bunch of people, they will most certainly hang. Most of the people I’ve met are as courteous as I could expect them to be after processing a few thousand people in a day.
Then again, I’ve seen a few complete dolts working the lines at Lindbergh Terminal in Minnesota, employees who looked as though they were either coming down a weird high or couldn’t care less if you snuck a panzerfaust past security.
Bishop on January 5, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Ok, if a person was going to sneak their way into the US for whatever reason. Why would buying a return ticket stop them? I know Logic is lost on bureaucrats.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 5, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Reading this, I couldn’t help thinking how the world has changed.
It appears Officer Knapp bullied a visitor from another country, and now may be realizing his name and activities are on websites being read by thousands (millions?) of people.
Heh.
cs89 on January 5, 2009 at 11:27 AM
I move back and forth through US borders on a fairly frequent basis, in recent years mostly coming in from Asia. I also have many coworkers holding non-US passports that make such trips regularly (mostly from developing Asian countries), often together with me. I’ve never seen or heard of anything like this. There’s more to the story I’d guess.
I’m also curious how a Thai national gets a 10-year visa to the US. Do those even exist?
DarkCurrent on January 5, 2009 at 11:27 AM
“Bush failure”? Well, maybe, but the way I remember it, the Democrats pushed DHS down his throat. Maybe he should have resisted more, but unless my (old) brain is lying to me, DHS is yet another epic liberal failure.
FuriousAmerican on January 5, 2009 at 11:29 AM
All around bad series of events.
One way tickets are a flag though. Couple that with an asshole agent and shit like that happens. Not good pr.
Itchee Dryback on January 5, 2009 at 11:30 AM
I doubt that’s why they asked for it. They likely had her laptop open, looking through her things, then asked for it so they could read her email.
I doubt they were planning on going back. If you agree that they had the right to read her email, then asking for her password isn’t really a further breach, especially since she can change it immediately after wards.
Unfortunately, this isn’t exactly news. Laptops are frequently being confiscated, even from Americans. Once taken, they are searched, heavily.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Esthier, they could have just asked her to log into her e-mail herself rather than demand the password. I’d bet she would have been happy to oblige, under the circumstances.
Ed Morrissey on January 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Now, I’ve been through lots of security in my travels. With the Israelis being the hardest on me, of course.
I gotta tell you, other than the email thing (which seems to have gone beyond the pale) that security seems ’bout right. They have to be hard on people. I’ve been asked a lot of odd questions and been drilled for passport stamps, what was in my suitcase and why, what possessed me to go to this area or that, etc, etc. I’ve had my car searched several times, even to the point that the border guard TOOK OUT the spare tire to make sure I wasn’t transporting stuff illegally.
You don’t even want to know what a person I met went through when she caught the attention of the Mossad/Shin Bet while she was in Israel. They went through EVERYTHING (and I do mean everything). The lesson: don’t hang out with Palestinians during the infitada and if you do, don’t be a smart arse about it with Mossad.
The email thing is creepy. The rest: probably par for course.
mjk on January 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM
If only that were true, then the rest of the world would leave us alone. By the way, who cares how the world see us? Truth be told they most of the detractors to the US are just envious.
Tommy_G on January 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Sadly, this isn’t the first story I’ve heard around these lines. I’ve heard the same from relatives, American citizens, who regularly travel and have foreign nationals visit them. The DHS appears to be filled with people with about the same amount of intelligence as their leader, the erstwhile Mr. Jackoff-er-Chertoff. All too often, you’re treated like a criminal immediately, interrogated with trick and leading questions, and demands for passwords to get into internet accounts as well as passwords to enter personal accounts on laptops and PDAs are common. Again, this is against citizens as well as against foreigners, though not as much.
The “organization”, in my opinion, sucks. Yon echoes what I’ve been hearing for a while, and couldn’t agree more.
MadisonConservative on January 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM
But with the laptop in her hands, all 90lbs of her could have beaten him to death!
- The Cat
P.S. I jest, but something tells me that Michelle could actually do that to someone, and probably has thought about it. :)
MirCat on January 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Unfortunately, Officer Knapp is NOT the exception. Anyone remember Lord Acton? Thomas Jefferson (“When government fears its citizens there is liberty. When citizens fear their government there is tyranny.”)?
A neighbor of my Mom’s took a part time job with TSA. She left after 3 months saying “I just can’t be that mean to people.” TSA’s motto? “Dominate, Intimidate, Control”
A friend of mine who is a pilot was asked if we’re any safer with TSA. “No”.
Dr. Walter E. Williams refuses to fly because idiocy and stupidity as exhibited by Officer Knapp.
granted Officer Knapp is is not TSA. But he is fruit from the same crap tree.
Amendment X on January 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM
I’m sorry Yon’s friend experienced this but he’s making a bigger deal out of it than is necessary. Anyone that has been through customs knows you run into this every once in a while.
I sat in a lock up in Montreal for couple of hours once because some guy wanted to be a jerk. All I was doing was tourist traveling – and my wife made it through fine and had to sit and wait for me without knowing what was up. I didn’t miss any flights thankfully, but I could have.
Dwilkers on January 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM
I don’t think that Esthier/Michelle would even entertain the thought.
wise_man on January 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM
If only she were a Somali jihadi. Then she’d be fast tracked into Minnesota under refugee status by the State Department.
Beagle on January 5, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Years ago before there even was a Homeland Security, I bought a plane ticket with cash. It was one way because I was going to home to Oklahoma to see my sick mother and was not sure when I would be flying back…or even if I might use another mode of transport. They took one look at the cash and they put a little red flag on my carry on bag and some kind of check on my ticket. I was searched together with my belongings, including my purse at every change over. I almost missed a flight because some guy was rifling through my personal belongings.
This kind of thing happens. I like and respect Yon and I understand that he is upset that his friend was treated in a way he thinks of as unfair..but millions of people come to this country from all over the world and some of them really are dangerous..especially if they are flying.
As for her password, I think she should change it.
Terrye on January 5, 2009 at 11:40 AM
How appropipate that this occurred in Minneapolis, from the heartland of the only Islamic member of congress, Keith Ellison, and the recently elected comedian Al Franken.
No doubt Mr Knapp is one of those tolerant liberals I am always hearing about like the moderate Muslim.
Just A Grunt on January 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM
As a naturalized citizen, and having seen the INS, Customs, and now HS up close, I can attest with great accuracy that 85% of all agents of these entities are complete douchebags.
• They revel in the “us vs. them” mentality.
• They hate their jobs
• They especially hate visitors to the US.
• They love to bully and intimidate.
• They are collectively a bunch of malignant mediocre unionized pricks one stepped removed from the UAW.
epluribusunum on January 5, 2009 at 11:43 AM
True, but they likely didn’t want to relinquish control of the laptop. It’s not exactly logical, but let’s say she was a terrorist and had serious information on her laptop. Maybe she could have pressed a button and deleted everything on it.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I’ve spent 20+ years working for and consulting for the Federal Government and it astonished me still how people do not understand what a burdensome, slow-moving, unthinking, leviathan it is.
That’s why I believe that Government should back off on most of the things they do, so they can concentrate on what’s really important.
The trouble with our Congress and our President-elect is that they have NO REAL EXPERIENCE with working in the federal government.
All Congress gets are dog and pony shows. They have never worked in the trenches and thus cannot grasp the limitations of the feds nor how to manage them.
Same with what passes for “journalists” these days.
NoDonkey on January 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM
With all due respect to Mr. Yon, I for one don’t care “how the world sees us”. Either we do too little, or do too much. Since there hasn’t been another “9/11″ in this country since that fateful day, something’s working. I do, however, think going through someone’s emails is beyond the fray.
The NWO nuts will have a field day with this for sure.
JetBoy on January 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I come from a family of cops. Mom, dad, uncles, a cousin or two. Like Ed said you run into the Rambos but more often then not you run into the Andy Taylors. I agree we need the whole story, although I must say, from Yon’s report, it is pretty damning. On the cops side you have a a scenario where you are slack and traveler ‘X’ ends up killing a bunch of people. You are screwed. Then you have the badasss cop who comes off like the Gestapo at a Bar-mitzvah but ends up collaring the right person. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Limerick on January 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM
unseen:
No, this is not about Bush. I am so sick of people using everything and anything they can to blame Bush. He was not the guy messing with this lady and by the way how many civilian airliners have slammed into Manhattan lately?
I remember when they were going through all the debate about Homeland Security. Initially Bush did not want it, he did not much want the 9/11 Commission either. However, his hesitancy to embrace both were not seen as a good thing, no..he was criticized for not being on board with protecting American blah blah blah.
And that Republican Congress was more than willing to support it too. I see no reason to believe that if Bush had not been president Homeland Security would not have been created anyway.
If you want to see pompous over bearing government workers, these guys have nothing on my local county government. Tyrants.
Terrye on January 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Cry me a river.
I respect Yon, alot, but he does tend to be dramatic and his companion needs to grow a thicker skin. Her being female or 90 pounds doesn’t illicit any sympathy from me though I get how it would piss him off.
Mr. Knapp was a jerk, as many people in uniform are, and she had a bad experience, but most of it was in her own head. She wasn’t jailed or strip searched-she gave up her password, had her emails read and was kept waiting.
In the big scheme of things…big deal.
It shouldn’t be seen as an indictment on the entire Dept of Homeland Security.
CarolynM on January 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Ed,
In this particular case, the Homeland Security drone was exceeding his legitimate authority. If Mr. Yon has the name, place of work, and particulars of this situation, I strongly recommend:
1.) A Formal Complaint sent to the individual, his immediate supervisor and the Airport Management. The Complaint should be sent via Certified Mail with a Signed Receipt returned to Mr. Yon.
2.) Any further communication with Homeland Security should be conducted via legal counsel.
In short, Mr. Yon, and those who believe Homeland Security is getting too big for its Unionized britches, should pillory this individual.
SeniorD on January 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Aew’s treatment is more common than you would think. Many frequent visitors to the US are treated terribly by customs here. I visited the old Soviet Union and other places where you could expect to be roughed up at the border but the US is the worst for intimidation and flat out bullying. I could ‘write a book’ about my own and friend’s experiences and this is a tradition that was well established before 9-11. I think things have improved somewhat over the last few years but I don’t think these tactics have much to do with national security.
lexhamfox on January 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM
+1
wise_man on January 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM
That only works in the movies. Programs/websites are way too annoying to make it that simple.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM
DHS’s actions are questionable and disturbing,but Northwest Airlines forcing the purchase of a return ticket bother me.
thomasaur on January 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM
I would like to know what criteria the airport HS agents utilize for identifying a high risk person entering our country. I would also like to know if Thailand has passed on intelligence to the U.S. regarding the growing Islamic extremist movement there, thus leading agents to view Thai people with more scrutiny.
I am a fan of Yon’s, and I have no reason to doubt his account of what occurred. Having worked in a similar industry in the past, I know that every branch of law enforcement has it’s batch of power-hungry personnel. Fortunately, they are usually the minority.
jediwebdude on January 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM
My biggest problem is that this women’s reason for coming to America could have been easily found out and cleared without making her feel violated. This women gets the third degree while who knows who is crossing our boarders by foot and the Muslim women doesn’t have to take off her headscarf becuase of religious reasons.
sammypants on January 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM
I am all for thorough screening, but it should not be done in a threataning or intimidating way. I am absolutely against intimidating a visitor into giving up their email password. We shouldn’t even be asking for it at all, much less intimidating them into giving it. If there is a legitimate concern about an individual it can still be dealt with in a diplomatic way and if there is significant cause for concern/suspicion I’m sure a simple search for prohibited items and a re-verification of the person’s paperwork to ensure legitimate entry is all that would be required.
t.ferg on January 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM
I think we’re better off not publishing this information, don’t you?
DarkCurrent on January 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM
The problem is we are hiring security guards when we should be hiring detectives.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 5, 2009 at 11:56 AM
All the secondhand accounts I have agree with this.
MadisonConservative on January 5, 2009 at 11:56 AM
That’s obvious given all the epic attacks on our ‘Homeland’ since Sept 2001… /sarc
The Dept of Homeland Security has a monumental task and is made up of several different agencies merged under one umbrella. The vast numbers of people dealt with on a daily basis by DoHS is staggering. Hindsight is 20/20. Individuals are not the whole.
I, for one, believe that President Bush and the rest of our government has done a pretty damn good job with DoHS given the circumstances. It had to be created practically overnight and given the sheer size and populace of the world, and the numbers of groups and organizations and individuals who want to enter and leave our country from foreign countries (some of whom really really REALLY want to kill many many MANY of us), they’ve done okay.
The only thing epic here is your ignorance and your BDS
Now go pack your bags and leave the U.S., if in fact you live in the U.S., and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
FlatFoot on January 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM
http://www.snopes.com/military/medal.asp
The above link is to a story about Joe Foss and his Congressional Medal of Honor. Months after 9/11, this WWII hero was held up by airport screeners who weren’t sure what the pointy thing he had with him was, and if it was dangerous.
We need tough security. We also need common sense.
Too bad we can’t have a little more of both.
cs89 on January 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Dwilkers on January 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM
exlibris on January 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM
My mom was actually detained in Vegas because she had the audacity to give a lady who had accidently left her boarding pass in her carry-on bag back to her. (i.e. a Good Samaritan act) They treated my mom like a common criminal and left her on the verge of tears. I’m sure that there are quite a few polite people with HS, but there are also quite a few people who get a kick out of exercising power over other people. Some of the TSA jobs are barely above minimum wage, so you’re getting quite a few malcontents who feel powerless about their situation and use their job to bully others.
Illinidiva on January 5, 2009 at 11:59 AM
A bit of intimidation could be a psychological tactic used for detective purposes.
DarkCurrent on January 5, 2009 at 12:00 PM
As a Greencarded Canadian, other than a few mean people, most of the INS/DHS/Customs people were fine to deal with. Me and the DHS guy who did my Greencard interview chitchatted longer than my interview actually was.
Canadian customs agents are bigger douches than anyone I’ve ever had the unfortunance to deal with.
mjk on January 5, 2009 at 12:00 PM
By the way, let’s not forget that the head of the DHS, whose agents’ often-thuglike behavior is being defended by some here, could care less about our southern border.
MadisonConservative on January 5, 2009 at 12:00 PM
What’s wrong with this picture?
Shy Guy on January 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Yes, by all means, let’s stop talking about Michael Yon and this person’s treatment by homeland security and change the subject to …. our southern border./
wise_man on January 5, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Meanwhile on that same day, thousands of illegal aliens strolled or rode, unmolested, across our southern border, headed for various points within the U.S., many transporting illegal drugs, others transporting who-knows-what. And anyone who thinks that situation is going to improve under Obama and Napalitano, please contact me, because I have some lovely oceanside property here in Arizona that you may be interested in purchasing.
AZCoyote on January 5, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Maybe you should pay attention. The topic I’m discussing is the hypocrisy of the head of the DHS, which is the central focus of this post. You sure get sore whenever anyone brings up amnesty. I guess you were a supporter.
MadisonConservative on January 5, 2009 at 12:04 PM
You are correct! Was the Liberal’s that wanted Home Land Security. Was another tactic to get their friends jobs. Yon is a good person. We don’t know both sides to the story yet. But that is odd. Not having a round trip ticket does strike the officials as odd. They are suppose to purchase round trip tickets. I learned that the hard way. A 10 year Visa? I never heard of that before. Could be legit, who knows.
sheebe on January 5, 2009 at 12:05 PM
And now you want to change the subject again to amnesty.
wise_man on January 5, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Nothing?
DarkCurrent on January 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM
I went to Michael Yon’s website and read the article. Them I read all the comments. So far about 41 comments. What was most disturbing is the hassel these HS people are giving to US Servicemen and women as well as other Americans. It is a disgrace. I understand how HS could be cautious about the Thai woman because of the circumstances. I cannot understand treating her in the manner described. If that was an accurate description we need to revamp HS to use tact and diplomacy when dealing with people. First impressions matter. If it happened to me as described I would never visit there again. I would bad mouth the place to anyone who would listen. If it happened to someone visiting me I would do what Michael Yon is doing. I would let the world know.
kanda on January 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Why don’t you try to change the subject to how evil that traitor McCain is while you’re at it. Might as well, and add that to the list of making up policy positions of other commenters.
wise_man on January 5, 2009 at 12:07 PM
She should have dressed up like a Muslim. Then Knapp would have been afraid to offend her.
drjohn on January 5, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Amnesty is a border security issue…like the post at hand. Are you just going to keep whining about my bringing up topics you are afraid to speak on? Maybe you should try some name-calling or profanity, like your usual fare.
MadisonConservative on January 5, 2009 at 12:09 PM
The Mrs. is a naturalized U.S. citizen from Canada and she said that all of her interviews dealt more with chit-chat than anything. She says that the Canadians were much worse. Of course she is a hot blonde.
thomasaur on January 5, 2009 at 12:09 PM
If a CD is already in the laptop with a virus, hitting “run” should work easily enough.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Gauss strips for the win.
MadisonConservative on January 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Your liberal education at work. Dumbasses don’t even know what a MOH is.
Christ.
But I’ll bet they all knew who William Ayers is or how much tSarah Palin was going to spend on her clothes.
drjohn on January 5, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Don’t you believe the two are related? I work in a building with Homeland Security. Don’t ask me why they chose a commercial building. I’ve wondered that myself the last two years, especially when they were building the holding cells. But they’re here, and they’re the immigration division. Immigration and homeland security are directly related.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Is Michael Yon talking about amnesty?
wise_man on January 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM
“… the rest of the world sees us as senseless bullies” Hey Mike, did they miss that little business in 2001? Frankly the rest of the world is populated by people stewed in socialist, pro muslim propaganda, so I don’t give two figs what they think, or even three or four.
Ok?
Having said that, officer knapp needs to be guarding a mall somewhere.
dogsoldier on January 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM
I completely agree. Treating her like a harden criminal is a bit much. There’s no reason the man couldn’t have been civil.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 12:16 PM
No one’s talking about amnesty. We’re talking about illegal immigration, which is an issue of homeland security, the very topic of this post.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 12:17 PM
You only attract the talent you are willing to pay for. Knapp probably left his mall security job when he hit the job lotto and landed the TSA gig. Now he’s raking in the astronomical sum of $36 K (??). The boredom is only broken up with Barney Fife moments like this.
Alden Pyle on January 5, 2009 at 12:18 PM
I read recently that a state department of probation (I forgot which one) is requiring sex offenders to give up their internet names and passwords. This may be spreading out as a pebble ring in the waters of government.
eaglewingz08 on January 5, 2009 at 12:18 PM
If a return ticket is required, why did they sell a one-way ticket in the first place? It seems to me they could save themselves the hassle by making these restrictions known before anybody arrives at the airport.
Several years ago (after 9/11), my grandmother and two aunts flew from their homes in Wyoming to my parents’ home in Ohio. Security singled out Grandma for a full-body pat-down. It was very upsetting to her because she was separated from my aunts and wasn’t sure what was going on. I feel so much safer knowing TSA is making 80-yr-old women in wheelchairs cry.
vermillionsky on January 5, 2009 at 12:20 PM
I laugh out loud everytime I come to one of your moral relativist turns in the road. You never fail. This woman was not only abused by a bully, my guess is that in demanding her password without her having a lawyer present is against the law. Anyone who has traveled through an airport in the last 5 years sees the overall quality of the people who were hired after 911. Don’t worry though, Ed. You didn’t offend any of them.
peacenprosperity on January 5, 2009 at 12:20 PM
So, friends of Michael should be allowed to pass thru security without any checks?
Poor little thing had to let someone open her e-mail. waaaa.
faraway on January 5, 2009 at 12:22 PM
My guess would be that the agent suspected she may have intended to overstay in the US illegally. That would explain wanting to see her email to verify she had other purposes, particularly as she was likely already flagged for not initially having a return ticket. I’ve noticed that among my non-American coworkers, young, single, attractive females seem to have the hardest time getting a visa to the US. It may be they are seen as a higher risk of non-return, even though these are people with very well-paying jobs in a very large and well-known multinational company.
As for searching the laptop for terrorist plans, I think any terrorist who needed such in digital form could just mail it to their destination on an encrypted USB flash drive much more safely than personally carrying it through immigration.
DarkCurrent on January 5, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Most people who travel frequently already know this and know which areas require a return ticket for entry. However, not everyone requires a return ticket. So maybe I could go there without a round trip ticket, which would mean I’d need a one way one to get back here.
Your guesses and assumptions… yeah, those are helpful.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Sorry, there IS no other side of the story.
To know he needed a password, he needed to open, and turn on, her laptop. That is private property and he has NO right to access it without a court order.
Even Foreign citizens have Civil Rights in America. It was both an invasion of privacy, and an illegal search as well as SOON as he turned on that laptop.
IF she turned on the laptop AT his request, or if he ASKED for permission to search her laptop, but she felt coerced as stated, any evidence found would STILL be challenged in court.
That HE called Yon? Based on information attained during a very suspect search?
Wow… please Homeland Security… next time I fly treat ME this way… I need the money I’d get from the lawsuit.
Romeo13 on January 5, 2009 at 12:24 PM
OK. Either way, it’s a homeland security issue. Either they thought she wanted to be an illegal alien, or they thought she wanted to blow something up. They’re both illegal.
Also, use terrorists do have better means of spreading information, the Internet being one, but that doesn’t mean they don’t mess up from time to time. Two of the hijackers were already on a no-fly list and shouldn’t have gotten on board those flights. It’s the simple things we’ve missed that could have made a huge difference.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 12:27 PM
If you don’t like what happened, thank a Muslim.
BL@KBIRD on January 5, 2009 at 12:28 PM
This has been going on for years. It’s not illegal. Maybe it should be, but that’s a separate issue.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 12:28 PM
That’s fine. When the DHS, and particularly their head, applies the same mentality to all our borders rather than select ones, I’ll jump on the bandwagon. Until then, looks to me like just another bureaucratic agency playing politics and letting their agents do whatever the hell they want.
MadisonConservative on January 5, 2009 at 12:28 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
CTD on January 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM
To the people here who have trouble with reading comprehension… the officer did not receive her password, he “eventually pushed a keyboard to Aew”. Sounds like she typed in the password herself.
faraway on January 5, 2009 at 12:30 PM
The laptop thing bothers me. There is a regulation that the TSA folks or customs (not sure which)can just sieze your laptop for an indeterminate time. YOu also have to fork over all your passwords.
I have a LOT of problems with that. First of all, for many of us working with the interent, your email account gives you a LOT of access. Someone in ‘officer’ knapps position could make a LOT of money by simply remembering one email account and password a day and marketing that. If they don’t get greedy, they can make a nice little income. So, if I travel, it will be with a machine that has as little info as possible on it.
The whole security thing is absurd. Those idoit mullahs who were spouting anti american talk and ordering seat belt extenders end up suing the people who pointed them out. If anyone thinks that seat belt extenders aren’t a weapon, I’ll make a bet with you.. We’ll each put up 10 grand and go into a room. Me with and extender, you without an extender or other weapon. Whoever can leave the room takes all.
As far as the Canadians, I was driving into Niagara Falls with my family. The traffic was hell for 5 hours getting there. The Canadian Customs agent asked “What town do you live in”. I drew a complete blank.. Zippo. Every second that went by made it worse. Finally, after about 10 or 15 seconds I blurted it out. She waved me through.. probably thinking “These americans are REAL idiots”… BTW – I almost never blank like that..
bullseye on January 5, 2009 at 12:31 PM
That’s the problem when profiling is shun off because of fears of it being politically incorrect.
in all the times I travelled to the US or passed through it in trips to other countries, I never had any problem with the TSA or Customs people, but I have heard real horror stories from friends.
Just do like the Israelis and cut the BS – profiling works.
Brazilian Neocon on January 5, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Not a single person has ever been killed by profiling. (unless they deserved it) ; P
thomasaur on January 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Yes, they do, likely a specific (temporary) professional job.
If she came to the US just to visit, she is very likely out of status, and thus inadmissible.
OTOH, she could have applied for a tourist visa as well, but the 10-year visa would be irrelevant.
cadetwithchips2 on January 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM
I’ve been asked to turn on my laptop by US and foreign security a number of times before. It’s not unusual. When you’re coming through customs/immigration, anything you’ve got with you is open to inspection.
Looking at the email may be going further (assuming it’s not stored locally), but I think if he asked for the password and she consented no court order would be required.
DarkCurrent on January 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Return tickets cost extra, and with the falling oil prices Iran & Saudi Arabia have to cut corners on their terrorists.
rbj on January 5, 2009 at 12:37 PM
It seems that the check-in agent knew the passenger needed a round-trip ticket, because the agent forced her to buy the return ticket before she was allowed to check-in. I’m guessing this determination was made based on the passenger’s passport, visa, and trip information (country of residence and nationality, country of departure, and country of destination, etc.).
I am suggesting that airlines make this determination at the time of purchase, rather than at check-in, and either prevent passengers who require round-trip tickets from buying one-way tickets, or at the very least inform them that they will be required to show proof of return flight at check-in (so they can purchase their return flight before arriving at the airport, if they want to fly a different route/airline home). This not only saves that passenger the hassle of buying a ticket at check-in, but it will free-up a check-in agent for everyone else!
vermillionsky on January 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM
10 years? When I lived in the US I had a lot of foreign nationals working on my team and I don’t think anyone had more than a 5 year visa.
DarkCurrent on January 5, 2009 at 12:40 PM
This past week we traveled to Miami for a major soccer tournament. Everywhere we went there were teams of teenage girls traveling to play at the tournament. We went through security in New Orleans and our girls carried on their soccer backpacks with their gear in it because we did not want to possibly lose it via checking it on the plane; so they carried it on. No problems.
Upon our return home we had to go through security in Ft. Lauderdale, FLL Airport. There were at least 3 teams, (which have between 22 & 15 kids on them), that had already gone through security just ahead of us. Same security guard on the video monitor each time the teams of girls went through. There is a brand of shoe called a Predator and they have a metal piece that runs through it, (arch support), and the video screener stopped every single teenage girl that had a pair of these tennis shoes in their backpacks. The security guard that had to go through the backpacks told him, “We have seen tons of these today. You know they are soccer players. Could you please stop thinking they are shanks and send them on through?” As asserted here on previous postings, there is some common sense that must be applied when you have these types of jobs. However, it is quite a zoo when traveling and I for one would not want their jobs!
There weirdest thing was when we traveled overseas and had little hassle getting into a foreign country, but were really given the going over coming back home. Apparently some foreign countries are not as worried about their homeland security as we are. And mega, major dittos to Chertoff being an absolute ninny when it comes to Homeland Security. We learned how incompetent he was first hand after Katrina.
freeus on January 5, 2009 at 12:41 PM
+10
First paragraph of the article posted…..
That one way ticket is major red flag. I travel abroad almost monthly, including Thailand and I can’t get thru security without that round trip ticket, so what makes Aew think she should be treated any differently? Me thinks there’s more to this story than being reported.
And as far as the TSA in our fine country is concerned, it stinks. I’ve walked thru security here with cigarette lighters in my pocket and an Epi-Pen in my carry on and no one blinks an eye. When going thru security in other countries, ie Frankfort, Tokyo or London, I’m immediately pulled aside and asked to remove the pen from the carry on for further examination.
Sure it’s an inconvenience, but I’ve never missed a flight and I’m grateful others are doing their jobs unlike most of the TSA here in the states.
Knucklehead on January 5, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Can’t disagree with that.
DarkCurrent on January 5, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Great recommendation, but to buy a ticket, you don’t need to prove your citizen status. That’s something airports check, not airlines.
Maybe they should start that, but unless they see any financial gain in doing so, I doubt they will.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Some of the actions (i.e. the return ticket) are understandable, so I don’t think that it is the procedures itself. It is the DHS guy’s tone and his use of intimidation to scare a visitor to the U.S. Providing good customer service is really important.
Illinidiva on January 5, 2009 at 12:42 PM
My cousin was arrested and jailed because he tried to take roller blades onto the plane in a carry-on. The rules said no blades of any type allowed onboard. There are almost endless stories like this from people trying to get on a plane. When I went to Canada the border guards asked where I was going and then said have a nice time and welcome to Canada. On my return trip I was searched, asked all kinds of questions and had some snack food and gifts confiscated by the USA boarder guards. I no longer travel out of the country or fly.
jmarcure on January 5, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Actualy, no, it is illegal, it has just not been fought through the court system yet.
You do NOT give up your rights when you step into an airport.. but they coerce you by saying that if you don’t do what they want, you can’t travel.
Its much like the Drug Enforcment Agency and the seizing of ANY asset they want during drug cases… clearly not Constitutional, and yet the courts won’t touch it for some reason…
This is just another example of the Constitution being thrown out the window…
Isn’t it funny how the courts can use “Privacy” Rights so a woman can kill an unborn child, and yet you DON’T have Privacy Rights to your own information if you enter an Airport?
Romeo13 on January 5, 2009 at 12:43 PM
The third possibility is the agent was just a jerk. But there are still two justifiable reasons to check her out.
DarkCurrent on January 5, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Without knowing which of the hundred or so classifications she was granted, I have no way of knowing why or how. Maybe a 5-year with a 5-year extension?
Still, largely irrelevant. She applied for admission as a visitor.
cadetwithchips2 on January 5, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Certainly, but then, some other countries don’t have a 9/11 to make them care a little more. Pre-9/11 I’m sure we weren’t much different.
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 12:46 PM
True, and considering Yon’s description, that’s the most likely possibility.
Actually, it has.
Appeals court upholds search of laptop at LAX
Esthier on January 5, 2009 at 12:49 PM
I understand this is common practice… I’m a computer proffesional and I travel with my laptop a lot… and when asked I say no, it has both proprietary and people’s private information on it. I’ve missed two flights over this issue, and lost a contract because I was late to a meeting once… but dam it, this is America.
Romeo13 on January 5, 2009 at 12:51 PM
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