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posted at 9:30 pm on January 3, 2009 by Allahpundit
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“So far none of the hijackers’ families have come forward to request the remains. Khaled Abou El Fadl, a law professor at UCLA and an authority on Islamic law, says he would be surprised if they did: ‘I’ve heard many times in the Muslim community that to claim and bury a body of one of the hijackers is to admit or accept that it was indeed those hijackers who committed 9/11.’”
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No they are not a myth. He is an honest to god Vietnam vet. Served about 4 months there. was sent home after 3 purple hearts. As a genuine war hero he got lots of medals. It’s all true. Of course I left out a few unimportant small details but they don’t matter. ;)
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 11:27 AM
thomasaur on January 4, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I feel I should point out that molten steel, aluminum, lead, stone and glass all look extraordinarily similar…glowing red or orange liquid. Irregardless, there WERE no “rivers of molten metal” under the WTC because molten items solidify rapidly when away from the heat source, as was pointed out.
Irregardless, as has been requested…LINK TO THE PICS OR GTFO.
fusionaddict on January 4, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Are you by any chance a chemist? If so answer me this. What do you get when you combine vaporized aluminum and vaporized steel and a high temperature flame?
doriangrey on January 4, 2009 at 11:33 AM
I’m am not a truther. I just seek some solid responses to some well reasoned and seriously presented arguments. Just because some knuckle dragging trolls read half a comment and respond with a non sequitur so they can vent their hate decides no questions must be asked and start puking up insults and canned responses, does not mean I buy into any conspiracy. There was a time on HA when such discussions could take place and provide and informative and interesting give and take. Now though this place has really gone the trolls. Comments get more like huffpo everyday.
Dave Rywall on January 4, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I’m impressed with your incredibly expert knowledge of the Pentagons “Radio Shack” security system as well as your in depth knowledge of the available footage. Not to mention your structural engineering expertise. Amazing!
Maybe it’s just me but I think we need a better response to than “Yer a jerkface troofer! Uhuhhhuhhuhhhuh!” Anyway won’t get it here.
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Thanks for that. I must admit, I was being a tad sarky.
OldEnglish on January 4, 2009 at 11:33 AM
OldEnglish on January 4, 2009 at 9:42 AM
+1
Melted metal was not required to destroy the structural integrity of the Twin Towers; merely bringing the metal to the point of weakening did that job. Given the Twin Towers set to blaze, no wonder when all was consumed there was melted metal. Combustive fires rage in fierce temperatures, blazing all things into hell’s furnace. It would have been bizarre for the metal to NOT have melted given that blaze. The architects designed a high-rise that would sway in the wind, and created a huge chimney stack wherein rescue from such terrorism was impossible. The architects of the Twin Towers were themselves Truthers, denying the reality that a combustive fire would effect the domino destruction of their whole creation. And finally, those Islamofascist victims burnt to ashes suffered the same elimination from the earth as anti-Fascist NAZI victims.
maverick muse on January 4, 2009 at 11:35 AM
I swear, I will never moan about another annoying comment from you, forever. You’ve got a free pass. I’ll hold my tongue.
If you can believe this, some truthers believe that the WTC collapses were a controlled demolition, brilliantly wired to coincide perfectly with a freaking PLANE hitting them. Also, they were supposed to have been brought down by thermite, and that’s what caused rivers of molten steel.
Yes, they think that two planes hitting the towers were just a coverup for a controlled demolition.
jimmy the notable on January 4, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Your description of the design fault in the towers would explain why other high-rise buildings, set ablaze in other times and places, did not fall.
OldEnglish on January 4, 2009 at 11:43 AM
I was calling you a jerkface because I think you are one. I will retract it now. You are not a jerkface.
Now, can I PLEASE see some pictures of the rivers of molten steel beneath the WTC?
jimmy the notable on January 4, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Respectfully, every one of your arguments has been debunked. Every one, and by extremely credible sources. At this point, it’s not about “asking questions”, it’s about ignoring the answers.
JetBoy on January 4, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Exactly! Why do you think that all large buildings spray fireproofing materials on the structual steel. I said the same thing when I saw the towers burning on TV. “Those things are coming down”
As for the molten metal, I have in my experiences been around lots of structure fires and molten metal being found is not a big deal. Above you have examples explained of conditions that cause that. Call it venturi effect or bellows effect or whatever. The fact is that when oxidizers are forced onto the fire, the heat intensifies a fantastic amount. This is how early man was able to forge metals using nothing more than wood fires. In any structure fire you have these conditions in certain areas. I can just imagine the blast furnace conditions at a structure fire the size of the WTC. And a good deal of that could have occurred after the collapse. Remember that fire burned for weeks.
conservnut on January 4, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Maybe it’s just me but I think we need a better response to than “Yer a jerkface troofer! Uhuhhhuhhuhhhuh!” Anyway won’t get it here.
You presuppose that the question is worth a viable answer.
Galloping into a forum and demanding to know answers to stupid questions is…well…stupid.
Bishop on January 4, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Okay, it’s a question. So what? Do you think the answer would reveal something? I can’t think of a reason to care, personally, because it is quite clear that a plane did hit.
Why do you care about this question?
MamaAJ on January 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM
No problem. So was I. Every time I see kerry I want to say ” why the long face John?” That’s honestly all I can think of saying but it wouldn’t be polite. Some might evenconsider it offensive. I would not want to offend John Forbes Kerry. Did you know he is a Vietnam Vet?
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Oh god please don’t let MB4 see that and start another discussion on the Vietnam war on this thread! ;-)
conservnut on January 4, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Oh no I’m sorry I can’t remove it….oh nooooooooo
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Yeah that is what I said earlier. You can see the wind blowing pretty hard up there but my opinion is just that. An unqualified opinion. There should be some definitive science done on the whole tragedy I would think.
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Funny thing about the troofers and the thermite theory, is that thermite actually did play a significant role in the towers collapse. Up thread I asked ronsfi What do you get when you combine vaporized aluminum and vaporized steel and a high temperature flame? The answer is a hyper accelerant known as… that’s right, Super-thermite.
doriangrey on January 4, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Thats our point. There was but you just ignore it.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Why do you care about this question?
MamaAJ on January 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Because if so much as a second of footage is missing, the government is hiding something, regardless of the hole in the Pentagon, plane debris scattered everywhere and 150 vaporized people.
Some people just have a whole lot of extra time on their hands.
Bishop on January 4, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Well you learn something new every day. See, and I, on the rational side, am willing to admit that something which I did not know before sounds reasonably plausible.
jimmy the notable on January 4, 2009 at 11:59 AM
What happened to the discussion about feeding Mo Atta’s body to the pigs?
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM
And you are the one leaving without showing any evidence or facts to back up your conspiracy theories.
You ignored many common sense posts and facts presented to you by basically putting your hands over your ears and jumping up in the middle of the room yelling “molten steel!!
molten steel!!”
This post is classic:
Please go through these legitimate websites that are backed up by scientist and experts,not two guys in a room in NY that somehow were able to expose without “disappering”, a massive conspiracy by thousands of people and many different agencies that NOT ONE PERSON HAS COME FORWARD TO EXPOSE AND END UP THE MULTI-MILLIONAIRE WHISTLE BLOWER OF ALL TIME.
http://www.debunking911.com/
http://www.elmerfudd.us/kooks911.htm
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2577/9_11_and_the_
New_Pearl_Harbor_Part_I
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
Pentagon & Boeing 757 Ground Effect
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0274.shtml
Counterpunch The Physics of 9/11
http://www.counterpunch.org/physic11282006.html
9/11 Conspiracy Theories Persist, Thrive
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2281052
Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won’t Go Away
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
Popular Mechanics – 9/11: Debunking The Myths
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
9-11 Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide (A light hearted look)
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
Screw Loose Change Video. (Yes, it’s finally here)
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
Penn & Teller’s Bull Shit – 911 Conspiracy theories
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523&q=penn+teller+911
Anybody can pull or cut and paste an incident to try and show the “truth”.
After all the evidence,eyewitnesses,investigations(including Bin Laden admitting to 9/11 on film) that have shown we were struck by Jihadist,you would have to be mentally unstable or devoid of any common sense what-so-ever to believe the government did
9/11.
Baxter Greene on January 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Without sensors in and on the building it’s going to be difficult to KNOW the definitive answers.
However, let’s get real….you did see the video of airplanes hitting the towers, right? ;)
jerrytbg on January 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Love this site. Learn something every day!
OldEnglish on January 4, 2009 at 12:05 PM
And you are the one leaving without showing any evidence or facts to back up your conspiracy theories.
You ignored many common sense posts and facts presented to you by basically putting your hands over your ears and jumping up in the middle of the room yelling “molten steel!!
molten steel!!”
This post is classic:
Please go through these legitimate websites that are backed up by scientist and experts,not two guys in a room in NY that somehow were able to expose without “disappering”, a massive conspiracy by thousands of people and many different agencies that NOT ONE PERSON HAS COME FORWARD TO EXPOSE AND END UP THE MULTI-MILLIONAIRE WHISTLE BLOWER OF ALL TIME.
http://www.debunking911(dot)com/
http://www.elmerfudd(dot)us/kooks911.htm
http://www.gnn(dot)tv/articles/2577/9_11_and_the_
New_Pearl_Harbor_Part_I
http://screwloosechange(dot)blogspot.com/
Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation
http://www.aerospaceweb(dot)org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
Pentagon & Boeing 757 Ground Effect
http://www.aerospaceweb(dot)org/question/conspiracy/q0274.shtml
Counterpunch The Physics of 9/11
http://www.counterpunch(dot)org/physic11282006.html
9/11 Conspiracy Theories Persist, Thrive
http://abcnews.go(dot)com/US/wireStory?id=2281052
Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won’t Go Away
http://www.time(dot)com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
Popular Mechanics – 9/11: Debunking The Myths
http://www.popularmechanics(dot)com/science/defense/1227842.html
9-11 Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide (A light hearted look)
http://www.ccdominoes(dot)com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
Screw Loose Change Video. (Yes, it’s finally here)
http://www.lolloosechange(dot)co.nr/
Penn & Teller’s Bull Shit – 911 Conspiracy theories
http://video.google(dot)com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523&q=penn+teller+911
Anybody can pull or cut and paste an incident to try and show the “truth”.
After all the evidence,eyewitnesses,investigations(including Bin Laden admitting to 9/11 on film) that have shown we were struck by Jihadist,you would have to be mentally unstable or devoid of any common sense what-so-ever to believe the government did
9/11.
Baxter Greene on January 4, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Well OK but then you have to ask the question where did the high temps come from that vaporized the steel and aluminum. Could wind and kerosene cause those kind of high temps?
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Second question for ronsfi, what happens when you introduce a hyper-accelerant into a environment full of Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene’s, Polyurethane’s and Polycarbonate’s? The answer is a flash-over fire that burns at temperatures in excess of 5000 degrees F.
doriangrey on January 4, 2009 at 12:13 PM
What do you want to bet that most troofers reside in Minnesota?
OkieDoc on January 4, 2009 at 12:16 PM
That’s what I am talking about! (giggles to himself evilly like Renfield)
conservnut on January 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM
What do you want to bet that most troofers reside in Minnesota?
OkieDoc on January 4, 2009 at 12:16 PM
I’m thinking that they reside mostly in the south; they need the warm weather for their regularly scheduled marches. My bets are Oklahoma or Mississippi.
Bishop on January 4, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Again NOT MY THEORIES! Thanks for the links. Already seen the Penn and Teller.
I’m not “hands over your ears and jumping up in the middle of the room yelling “molten steel!!
molten steel!!”
I just say hey what about that molten steel running out the side of the building? What’s up with that? And the response.
“Fire weakend the steel…Blah blah.” “Yer a jerkface” “yer a troofer” “How dare you say the govt did it retard”
None of which I ever claimed. I never disputed and the 9/11 commission findings. Just that it seems cursory and incomplete. To me. What I said was what about that molten steel running out the side of the building? Then we start all over again and still no explanation. I’ll check out your links maybe can find it there.
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Well OK but then you have to ask the question where did the high temps come from that vaporized the steel and aluminum. Could wind and kerosene cause those kind of high temps?
You might want to watch a History Channel show about blacksmithing or iron forges or something, try to understand the concept of building heat through constant flame fed by a steady diet of combustibles.
Lord.
Bishop on January 4, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Yeah we got two Franken like guys on our squad here, Imhoff and Coburn. Voted for Obama in overwhelming numbers, too.
OkieDoc on January 4, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Now you’ve done it. I’ve finally learned why my parents quit answering when no matter what they said I said “why?”
Some people really do have a thick skull just like my teacher said.
Now I know there is a God. No one else could create people this….this…this ummm unintelligent. This is no accident of evolution.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Well I hate to belabor the point but you need the high temps to create the Incendiary that you then claim caused the high temp that created the incendiary etc. You see what I mean?
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 12:24 PM
My God have we not answered this several times over?
conservnut on January 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM
No!
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM
I just say hey what about that molten steel running out the side of the building? What’s up with that?
Wouldn’t it make sense to do your own research instead of expecting everyone else to run off and find it for you?
Or perhaps that was your goal all along.
Bishop on January 4, 2009 at 12:26 PM
You still have yet to demonstrate or provide serious evidence that there was in fact molten steel “running out of the side of the building”
What’s the convincing evidence for that even?
DarkCurrent on January 4, 2009 at 12:26 PM
ha ha yep you were right.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 12:28 PM
There are photos and you can find them pretty easily but I am not linking to any truther sites.
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Reasonable people have questions. Unreasonable people avoid the answer.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM
What he’s saying is that you can’t be sure its not molten “something else”.
jimmy the notable on January 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Oh, they’re only available on truther sites? And you don’t link to truther sites because you’re not a truther, right?
DarkCurrent on January 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM
The following post should make all the Truthers out there hang their heads in shame. Pleaseandthankyou, you are brilliant. Great summary of the Truther mentality.
So a thousand government arsonists, per tower, rigged thermite explosives, blasting caps and hundreds of miles of detonating cable throughout the 100 plus stories of the World Trade Center, behind the walls mind you, and succeeded in doing so without the cleaning ladies noticing, or the small CITY of people who work there on a daily basis. Not one of the ten thousand people who entered the building on the morning of September 11th saw a wire sticking out of a wall, or a piece of drywall displaced, because they were THAT good. They did this because flying airplanes into the buildings wasn’t going to be terrifying enough and they needed more bang for their buck. Conversely, they considered simply blowing up the buildings, but they decided instead to synchronize the simultaneous hijacking of four jetliners, because the blowing up the buildings wasn’t complicated enough. Also, they thought it a good idea to blow the buildings an hour after the planes hit, when every camera in the tri-state area would be trained on the buildings because they were THAT confident in their optical illusion of structural collapse. And who would be digging around the site afterwards to find all of those blasting caps anyway? Again people weren’t going to be upset enough by the collapse of the two largest buildings in New York City so they decided to blow up another smaller one, later that evening, for added effect. The false flag operation just wouldn’t have enough teeth without that Building 7 coming down. Also, even though they had three planes going into New York and Pennsylvania, they decided to mix it up a little and go with a MISSLE into the Pentagon. They could have gone with the fourth plane into the Pentagon but they liked the challenge of remotely incinerating the passengers from the fourth plane in Newark and scattering them around the crash site in Washington when no one was looking. They needed to do all of this and pin it on 19 Saudi hijackers as an excuse to invade, not Saudi Arabia, but Iraq and Afghanistan, forgetting that they could have just pinned it on 19 pretend Iraqis or Afghanis. God I feel like such a fool when now that I see how obvious it all is.
pleaseandthankyou on January 4, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Jarhead68 on January 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM
“Everyone knows that fire cannot melt steel”
Johan Klaus on January 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Yeah we got two Franken like guys on our squad here, Imhoff and Coburn. Voted for Obama in overwhelming numbers, too.
OkieDoc on January 4, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Well at least you can claim to be Texas’s hat, among other things, though what those other things are don’t come to mind readily.
Bishop on January 4, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Impact. A 737 weights approximately 150,000lb at take off and travels at a speed of 485 to 514 mph. When a 150,000lb projectile traveling at 485 mph impacts a solid object the transference of kinetic energy is utterly staggering. It’s in the million pounds per square foot range. This results in leading edge surface vaporization.
The outer skin of the WTC was a steal alloy, where the 737’s impacted the towers the aluminum aircraft skins and the towers superstructure were instantly vaporized producing a high speed high temperature plasma that was fueled by the fuel in the aircraft and the plastics in the various offices in the towers.
It’s not surprising that the building collapsed, it is amazing that they stood as long as they did. Once they began to collapse friction increased the aggregate temperature.
Combine the high temperatures that resulted from the hyper-accelerant induced flash-over and friction and the idea that there was molten steel is pretty much a no brainer. It’s not amazing that there were patches of molten steel, considering the forces at play it would be literally impossible to imagine there not being such areas.
doriangrey on January 4, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Rywall, this post and your other posts on here are fantastic! You speak very well. I agree with what you said. YOU GO!
sheebe on January 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Additions to a previous design has caused buildings to collapse.
Johan Klaus on January 4, 2009 at 12:45 PM
OkieDoc on January 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM
So the force of the impact created a sort of thermite that sheared the core beam structure? Hmm…I suppose if the impact could do that it would be um plausible. Interesting.
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 12:50 PM
The plane was going several hundred miles an hour faster than the mugger.
Johan Klaus on January 4, 2009 at 12:50 PM
I can’t stand “Truthers” they are even worse than Andrew Sullivan’s Vagina Monologues about Sarah Palin.
Let’s change this thread, I propose that Blago withdraw Burris and instead appoint either Al Franken or Caroline Kennedy to Obama’s seat. Discuss!
Mr. Joe on January 4, 2009 at 12:52 PM
So you don’t like truther sites even though you are a truther yourself.
SoulGlo on January 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Just curious. Why do you say I’m a truther?
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM
He’s not a truther. He’s just asking questions.
He’s also not a jerkface, for the record. heh.
jimmy the notable on January 4, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Here’s a question: What are those cloth things that IDF soldiers wear over their helmets? What’s the purpose because they are mighty odd looking.
Bishop on January 4, 2009 at 12:57 PM
What I want you to do is tell me more about these core beams. Until you do I’ll refer to them as alleged core beams. I propose that there was no alleged core beam structure. In my pervious postings there are construction details in the links I posted. It is not a truther site. You have no excuse for not finding the information. Unless of course you intentionally don’t want to.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Yeah we better not ask any questions. Wouldn’t want to do that. It’s always best to accept whatever you are told without question. Just keep the pie hole shut and stare straight ahead.
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM
They’re hiding the fact that all of the Israeli helmets are made of the pulverized bones of kittens and puppies.
jimmy the notable on January 4, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Much to the point. The same mental illness that drives troofers to this extreme is the same that drives them to vote the way Minnesotans did this last go round.
Eh, the people of Pennsylvania continually install Murtha, Nevada chose Reid and the south has provided such luminaries as Byrd and Bill Clinton. If there is a psychosis which drives irrational thought, it seems to have infected the entire nation.
Go Steelers (next week).
Bishop on January 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Those buildings did not have the structural damage and added approximately 350,000 lbs. of weight of the aircraft wreckage.
Johan Klaus on January 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM
That appears to me to be exactly what you are doing. Let’s not look outside out little tunnel (lets call it tunnel vision). We might learn something.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM
They’re hiding the fact that all of the Israeli helmets are made of the pulverized bones of kittens and puppies.
jimmy the notable on January 4, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Held together with glue made from the blood of Palestinian babies?
Thank you sir for that explanation, I knew it had to be something simple.
Bishop on January 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Yeah we better not ask any questions. Wouldn’t want to do that. It’s always best to accept whatever you are told without question. Just keep the pie hole shut and stare straight ahead.
Agreed, better that we forge ahead resolutely, smack into the face of irrefutable evidence while simultaneously claiming that the wildest of frothing conspiracies be given equal time, no matter how illogical or flat-out crazy they are.
Bishop on January 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM
You’ve done it again. Finally back to topic. Now we know what to do the the body of Mo Atta. Brilliant!!
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 1:08 PM
No, the impact set into motion a series of events. The high speed high temperature injection of a hyper-accelerant into a plastic’s rich environment. The result was extremely high temperature pockets throughout the building where temperatures exceeded 5000 degrees F. The overall aggregate temperature probably never exceeded 1200 degrees F.
The result of this was that the overall structural integrity of the buildings superstructure was completely compromised. It also means that there were isolated pockets in the buildings where the temperature was far in excess of that required to liquefy steel.
The core beam structure’s were not sheared, they simply lost in excess of 40% of their structural integrity which caused the buildings to collapse. The puddles of molten steel are a result of the extremely high temperatures which occurred in places where the right combination of events collided. Hyper-accelerant, plastics, aircraft fuel, and wind turbulence. These condition did not prevail throughout the buildings, but occurred in enough places for a substantial amount of steel to be liquefied.
doriangrey on January 4, 2009 at 1:13 PM
It helps if the questions have a point. What is the point of your question about the lack of good video of the plane hitting the Pentagon?
MamaAJ on January 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Your posts are very very good.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 1:20 PM
I don’t think he understands the structural design of the WTC towers. I suspect what he is talking about is the elevators substructures which to anyone unfamiliar with the WTC tower design do tend to look like a core structure. This failure to understand basic principals seems endemic of the questions he is asking. It seems pretty obvious he doesnt understand any of the engineering, physics or chemistry involved in why the towers collapsed.
doriangrey on January 4, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Correct he does not or he is intentionally pretending he does not understand. The aircraft and fire destroyed the core infrastructure on those floors it impacted. This is the central core with the stairwells and Elevators. The infrastructure above eventually collapsed into the center of the buildings making it appear to be an implosion to the uneducated. The heat of the fires and shock of the crash allowed the steel frame to weaken enough so that it could no longer support the weight of the concrete and steel floors plus the weight of the people and furniture etc.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Don’t forget about the phantom cyclist at the pentagon…
JetBoy on January 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Thats too funny, troofers are such boobs.
Ciannaky on January 4, 2009 at 2:44 PM
90% of troofers will not give it up. they could have seen it with their own eyes.
Jamson64 on January 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM
I believe this is called…as I pointed out…”cantilevered construction ;)
So, ronsfi, here’s what happened.
The plane crashes into the tower, obliterating a thin, decorative steel veneer on the side of the tower. The fuselage slices through the thinly-reinforced elevator/utility conduit in the center of the building as the plane atomizes. A full planeload of burning jet fuel pours down into the emptied shaft as the impact levels are consumed. The splintered steel sheeting rapidly melts as the fuel, carpeting, furniture, and insulation burn. The base fires cause an upward rush of hot gases and atomized jet fuel that races back up the shaft, pulling oxygen with it to feed the fires on the lower layers. The gases and new ventilation from the impact holes fan the flames up top, heating them further. Cleaning supplies and other chemical agents throughout the building ignite, causing new fires and adding fuel. The aluminum and steel particles up top create a high-energy thermite reaction that eats through the structural steel, and combined with the natural fire-weakening of the structure causes the collapse of the top layers, punching down through the lower ones.
Oh, and by the way…thermite and dynamite are both detonated by primercord. Which would have been set off by the impact of the plane. C4 would require electricity, and the wires would have easily been destroyed by the impact and fires, not to mention that in both cases only the floors ABOVE the crash collapsed initially. In controlled demo, all the explosives detonate in their wiring pattern. Which means the conspirators would have needed to know EXACTLY WHERE THE PLANE WOULD HIT. And the demo would have taken place immediately, not an hour to an hour and a half after the fact.
fusionaddict on January 4, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Exactly.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Wow, has this been an interesting/entertaining read.
You have no idea how much that made me laugh. Really, OUT LOUD. The rest of the post was excellent as well.
And it is really odd to see Dave Rywall on the ’side’ of rationality. No one has called him drywall or anything, unless I’ve missed it. My gosh, the end timers might be on to something.
pannw on January 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM
If you can find a very old blacksmith, they could tell you how a very small bellows can cause extreme heat. A hole in the side of the tower, elevator shafts, drafts and blowing wind, could very easily create a bellows effect. And that is not counting the extreme heat caused by the friction and explosion resulting from the collision.
Johan Klaus on January 4, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Truthers are maggots feeding on the dead of Sep 11, hoping they will become butterflies.
Tantor on January 4, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Yeah, and I would love to know how the miles and miles of wiring necessary for all that was somehow installed, and no one noticed.
JetBoy on January 4, 2009 at 4:46 PM
ronsfi
You have faith in the truther beliefs. This ones for you.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM
This site gives it some in depth treatment and a plausible explanation. Why is it left to blogs to do this kind of analysis?
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http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/02/ups-on-81st-floor-of-wtc2.html
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 5:33 PM
The analysis as you call it was done by the National Institute of Standards and Technology. The Italian blog you cite merely references this US Government report.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 5:49 PM
This site has pretty much everything I could ask for and takes the claims one at a time. I find it an excellent response the conspiracist claims. Thanks for the link,
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http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
I think the estimate of the amount of Thermite needed,(60 tons, is pretty devastating to the conspiracy claims.
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Stop stalking me you loathsome troll!
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 6:00 PM
So…pointing out the original source for a secondhand report you posted is now stalking?
I need to look back over those statutes. I could probably get one of my professors sent to jail for disqualifying my footnotes.
fusionaddict on January 4, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Ha ha you beat me to it. He is just upset that I actually read what he posts and correct his inaccurate representation. He dosen’t expect that.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM
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It’s a different kind of stalking moron, it refers to behavior within the thread and kanda you provided nothing but childish name calling. Shouldn’t you be plucking your eyebrow or shaving your back or something.
ronsfi on January 4, 2009 at 6:33 PM
…I just can’t put my finger on it…
fusionaddict on January 4, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Whould you please point out any post where I called you a name? I notice you do that frequently. Perhaps you are confusing me for you. If so your forthcoming apology will be gratefully accepted.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Sorry for the late reply.
Agreed. DorianGrey apprised me of the effects of an airframe impacting a building. I must admit, I’ve not followed the technicalities of the attack too closely – I don’t tend to teach my grandmother how to suck eggs.
OldEnglish on January 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Indubitably.
OldEnglish on January 4, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Fata Morgana
Entelechy on January 4, 2009 at 7:52 PM
He never signed the form that authorized the release of all of his records. The records that are missing, specifically, are those that would explain why he did not get his honorable discharge until, like 1980 or so.
I believe they will show that he was going to get an other than honorable discharge due to his aiding and abetting the enemy while a reserve officer (or whatever he was) both in Washington and in Paris.
The fact that he has never released them, despite many, many requests, suggests that he is hiding something.
mondonico on January 4, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Could be..don’t know..don’t care…he was a lying turncoat who did great harm to his fellow vets. Thank god for the Swift Boat Vets.
kanda on January 4, 2009 at 8:37 PM
All you have to do is listen to the Palestinian or other muslim commentators on the current Israeli situation and you know denial and deceit are central to this evil culture. CNN has a program on Sunday with Fareem(?) somebody as commentator and he is one I would be very nervous about if he got on the same airplane with me. His eyes have the same “glow” as Mohammed Atta. It is evil and demonic through and through.
wepeople on January 4, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Jet planes run on kerosene? Who knew?
RickZ on January 4, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Crazy but true. Jet A is a kerosene base.
fusionaddict on January 5, 2009 at 1:20 AM
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