This is a simplistic understanding of Islamic terrorists, and a misunderstanding of the Qur’an (which forbids attacks against innocent women and children, along with forbidding suicide).

This is an often stated idea that the west has about islam… and it is also NOT true. Christians always say you can’t take the bible in soundbites, yet they so easily accept one peaceful, lovey-dovey passage from the quran as representing the entire religion. Sura 9 abrogates EVERY peaceful passage in the Quran and we still have not touched on the Hadith (the writings of Muhammad, which gives much of the context to the Quran). These are full of hateful, violent, supremacist ideas. Moreover, show me one passage in the bible (or any other major religion) that orders its followers to kill or forcefully subjugate those of other religions, from now until the end of time or your religion rules the entire planet…

For example, a lot of Osama bin Laden’s rhetoric is purely political. For many Muslim extremists, their faith isn’t the cause of their anger, but merely a bonding agent that they can use to join to the political anger of other Muslims.
Mark Jaquith on January 4, 2009 at 2:46 AM

While I don’t disagree with any of these… I have to say his rhetoric catches on because the themes of islamic supremacy and violent jihad are in the Quran and the Hadith. You should read more of Robert Spencer’s work. I agree with him that until we can argue with the extremists with an ideological argument that sticks (other than your wishful thinking of “but, but Islam is a religion of peace”) terrorism will continue to flourish…. and Islam will continue to be a threat to our way of life.

sabbott on January 3, 2009 at 11:20 AM

I don’t know why but when I read (red) your post I thought maybe you were holding back something. Feel free to tell us how you really feel. Your post was eye opening. It is obvious that you are a vigilant person who understands there is a group of fanatic muslims who will stop at nothing to further their hatred of all things non-muslim. You are correct we do not fear them. We abhor them.

They can run but they can’t hide. Eventually we will get them. They keep killing the muslims who do not agree with them. Soon those muslims will turn on them like the ones in Iraq did. When that day comes the US military will introduce them to Allah.

Muslims are the only group with which I’m familiar that have terrorism as a core of their religious belief system.

This is a simplistic understanding of Islamic terrorists, and a misunderstanding of the Qur’an (which forbids attacks against innocent women and children, along with forbidding suicide). For example, a lot of Osama bin Laden’s rhetoric is purely political. For many Muslim extremists, their faith isn’t the cause of their anger, but merely a bonding agent that they can use to join to the political anger of other Muslims.

You can see a similar thing happen in America — many different causes all flying under the banner of “freedom.” Bush uses that a lot. Bush doesn’t care about freedom (c’mon — Mr. “I am abandoning market principles”), he just knows that freedom, to many people, is an inspiring and unifying idea.

We Americans are not afraid of you. We think you are ignorant stupid people!

sabbott on January 3, 2009 at 11:20 AM

It seems sabbott thinks ignorant, stupid people are harmless.

I will not submit.

Johan Klaus on January 3, 2009 at 2:50 PM

That’s swell. But your grandchildren?

The tipster in this case better get an attorney as well, as CAIR will assuredly target whoever reported the remarks just as they did with the Flying Imams.

If the Americans really thought CAIR were a threat to them, surely some of them would have moved to destroy its leaders long ago.

With your help we can break the system

entagor on January 3, 2009 at 12:50 PM

I will not submit.

I await the commercial:

Have you ever been removed from a plane for maintaining a discussion about the safest spot in an airplane just before takeoff while dressed like Osama bin Laden? Have you ever been asked to explain yourselves for discussing the good points about airplane hijacking? Have you ever innocently displayed terrorist related clues on an airplane and been questioned for exercising the right to intimidate your fellow passengers?

With your help we can break the system

You’ve been out of the burrow a bit, I stand corrected.

That said, I think you haven’t been outside long enough. I’m 45 and have lived half of my adult life outside the US. I’ve been to Arab countries, I’ve been to Israel. I currently live in China.

Most places I’ve been Muslims are suspect above all other groups. The entire non-Muslim world distrusts Muslims. Generally people are not wary of Hindus, Buddhists, Christians or Jews (with respect to physical danger anyway). They’re all wary of Muslims, because they get a new example of the danger weekly at least.

DarkCurrent on January 2, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Wow. You have been around. I am familiar with some cultures mostly from what I have read of them and not because of personal experience.

You are correct in that non-Muslims are wary of Muslims. It is justified. Though I’ll still defend my point that most Muslims are safe. It’s the religion that enslaves the Muslims which in turn is against infidels.

Hinduism is even worse at enslavement. The whole karma, reincarnation, caste system teachers believers that others are born less deserving than themselves. The result is horrifying.

Mark Jaquith on January 3, 2009 at 5:41 AM

And Ayers.

Can you really be this ignorant? Do you really think that all terrorists are Muslim?

You miss one VERY important point:

the IRA, and probably the Japanese have/had POLITICAL aims, Gotti was a criminal. McVeigh MAY have been recruited by Jihadists, we’ll never know because Janet Reno was in a rush to execute him. It was known that he was a neo-Nazi and that was a philosophy he shared with Muslims.

(It was recently reported that the second best-selling book in Arab countries is “Mein Kampf”, it’s only out-sold by the Koran.)

Fact is, that where Christians believe the ticket to eternal life is faith and trust in Jesus the Christ, (as well as following His teachings), we also believe that GOD’s final judgement will be right. Muslims believe the key to eternal life is to slaughter anyone who doesn’t believe as they do. THEIR CONFIDENCE IN ETERNAL LIFE IS TIED TO THEIR ABILITY TO KILL INFIDELS AND BE THE EXECUTORS OF FINAL JUDGEMENT HERE AND NOW. Their “holy book” demands that slaughter. Muslims are the only group with which I’m familiar that have terrorism as a core of their religious belief system.

ALL Terrorists ARE Muslims!!

Can you really be this ignorant? Do you really think that all terrorists are Muslim? Timothy McVeigh was a Muslim? The Irish Revolutionary Army is made up of Muslims? John Gotti was a Muslim? The Shinshūkyō who attacked with Sarin gas in Japan were all Muslims?

Call it Buraq Air, after Mohammed’s imaginary flying horse that took him to heaven from Jersusalem, despite his living at the time in Mecca/Medina

shick on January 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Different time zones, lag is expected.

Why are you all so bitter?

Dave Rywall on January 2, 2009 at 6:45 PM

9/11?

Of all your recommendations at the end of the book, probably the most controversial is the call to end Muslim Nazi immigration. Do you sense any support for such a drastic measure in either the legislatures or among the general public?

At least in the AP report, their version of the remark has not been revealed.

On the 10:00 news here and I think taken from ABC, so the video is probably online by now, the young father and mother said they were discussing the safest place to sit on a plane, whether it was the middle or the rear; and that it was a passenger who complained about them.

No you haven’t…. and she asked 3 hours ago.

Dodging the peanut …. hmmmmmm.

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Um. Yes I did. Prove me wrong. Look at the dates. I responded to posts that arrived one at a time until I saw yours at the top of this page. And I responded to his before you complained. Why are you so obsessed? I expected more from people from the great land of Palin.

Great, more halal meals for me.

I’ll wash them down with the $5.00 Heinekens.

Q: What is a airplane trip without Muslims called?

A: A very safe flight.

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 2:05 PM
In appropriate generalization. The majority of Muslims are peaceful. Because a few Muslims are not does not give you the right to label all Muslims as “unsafe”.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Well – current polls disagree with you statement that “the majority” of Muslims are “peaceful”, unless you consider supporting the rights of Homicide Bombers and execution for Muslims that change religion “peaceful”.

However, and more importantly: ALL Terrorists ARE Muslims!!

so,the pilot was uncomfortable,

his choice,

his plane!

Tony737 on January 2, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Is it true that when you string them out from the aft doors it helps deflect crosswinds and also lowers the stall speed?

The guy tries to break into the cockpit, the Passengers begin kickin’ his azz, the narrator says “Wanna get away?”