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Nine Muslims kicked off AirTran flight

posted at 2:00 pm on January 2, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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AirTran may face a lawsuit after denying nine Muslims the chance to fly after an overhead remark from one forced the pilot to delay the flight and rescreen the passengers.  The airline apparently refused to rebook the passengers even after being cleared by the FBI, at least according to one of the nine:

Nine Muslim passengers were kicked off a flight from Washington, D.C., to Florida after other passengers reported hearing a suspicious remark about airplane security.

AirTran Airways spokesman Tad Hutcheson called the incident on the New Year’s Day flight from Reagan National Airport to Orlando, Fla., a misunderstanding, but defended the company’s response. He said the airline followed federal rules and did nothing wrong.

One of the Muslim passengers, Kashif Irfan, told The Washington Post the confusion began when his brother was talking about the safest place to sit on an airplane.

“My brother and his wife were discussing some aspect of airport security,” Irfan said. “The only thing my brother said was, ‘Wow, the jets are right next to my window.”‘

Irfan told the newspaper he thought he and the others were profiled because of their appearance. The men had beards and the women wore headscarves, traditional Muslim attire.

AirTran said that one of the nine made an “inappropriate comment,” which led to the rescreening.  At least in the AP report, their version of the remark has not been revealed.  The family’s version appears so innocuous that it seems unlikely that it alone would have caused a delay and rescreening.  “Discussing some aspects of airport security” sounds like much more was said than just the proximity of jets to a window.

The family eventually made it to their religious retreat in Florida on US Airways after getting a full refund from AirTran, but that won’t stop the lawsuit.  We can expect CAIR to land on this incident with a full complement of attorneys, just as they did here in Minneapolis in more egregious circumstances.  The tipster in this case better get an attorney as well, as CAIR will assuredly target whoever reported the remarks just as they did with the Flying Imams.

Update: Corrected AirTran name in the headline.


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The Bush administration will be on the side of the Muslims.

Hilts on January 2, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Great, more halal meals for me.

I’ll wash them down with the $5.00 Heinekens.

Q: What is a airplane trip without Muslims called?

A: A very safe flight.

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 2:05 PM

The headline may be misleading. Were they kicked off for being Muslim? That’s the implication. Or were they kicked off for what they said? For fitting a profile of terrorists in combination with what they said?

As they say, not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims. I’m sure the other innocent Muslims on board the flight were glad the potential threat was eliminated. Did anyone interview any of them to confirm?

JiangxiDad on January 2, 2009 at 2:07 PM

The bummer here is that the family really seems to be sincere. CAIR will surely blow this out of proportion.

Seriously — Muslims can be worried about flight safety like anyone else. I’m glad they felt comfortable enough to discuss things in a public place, rather than watching their mouths at all times.

I think the people who reported them are imbeciles.

Prufrock on January 2, 2009 at 2:07 PM

The news report I heard (on the local CBS station, WFOR) said that someone claimed they talked about the plane blowing up; one of the women stated that she had exchanged remarks briefly with one of the other women in the family about what the safest seats in the plane (in the event of a crash) might be. The same news report said that besides having the passengers disembark and get rescreened, the baggage on the plane was also unloaded and screened for explosives. So someone took that discussion of aspects of airport security pretty seriously.

kishnevi on January 2, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Yippee.

BadgerHawk on January 2, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Just kick off a little old blue-haired lady with a walker too and the world will once again be in balance.

whitetop on January 2, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Great, more halal meals for me.

I’ll wash them down with the $5.00 Heinekens.

Q: What is a airplane trip without Muslims called?

A: A very safe flight.

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 2:05 PM

In appropriate generalization. The majority of Muslims are peaceful. Because a few Muslims are not does not give you the right to label all Muslims as “unsafe”.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:09 PM

As they say, not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims.

JiangxiDad on January 2, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Most. Not all. There are plenty of non-Muslim terrorists.

BadgerHawk on January 2, 2009 at 2:10 PM

whitetop on January 2, 2009 at 2:09 PM

And have AARP all over you? No way!

Snowed In on January 2, 2009 at 2:12 PM

“The majority of Muslims are peaceful. Because a few Muslims are not does not give you the right to label all Muslims as “unsafe”.”

Most bombs don’t spontaneously combust, either.

Doesn’t mean I want them riding on my flight.

If the peaceful Muslims don’t like it, then they can police their own religion. All we’ve heard from the peaceful Muslims since 9/11 is a thunder of silence.

If suicide bombers were polluting the name of my religion, I’d like to think I do something about it.

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 2:13 PM

In appropriate generalization. The majority of Muslims are peaceful. Because a few Muslims are not does not give you the right to label all Muslims as “unsafe”.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:09 PM

And just because a large amount of Muslims are unsafe, doesn’t mean that muslims in general are “safe”.

You can turn that around.

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 2:14 PM

I find it reassuring that after 7 years and no further attack on our homeland that people are still paying attention and willing to step up. Better safe than sorry.

Perhaps if Muslims had been taken to the streets to condemn terror attacks instead of attacking those who are fighting against it, perceptions might be different.

Texas Gal on January 2, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Am I just bad at English, or should the headline be “Nine Muslims kicked off AirTran flight” or “off AirTran’s flight.”

kc8ukw on January 2, 2009 at 2:16 PM

kc8ukw on January 2, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Yes.

Snowed In on January 2, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I’ve discussed Airport Security before at an airport. Good to know it is regulated by “federal rules”. I’d like more info on this – sounds like thought crime to me.

Of course, a private airline can decide who they want to fly on their planes.

lodge on January 2, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Sorry…the yes was for either headline choice.

Snowed In on January 2, 2009 at 2:17 PM

As they say, not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims.

JiangxiDad on January 2, 2009 at 2:07 PM

No, there’s a few commie atheist terrorists too, they’re just limited to some third world country nobody cares about.

Darth Executor on January 2, 2009 at 2:18 PM

http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com has more, including the fact that CAIR was on the story the same day it happened.

MamaAJ on January 2, 2009 at 2:22 PM

The headline may be misleading. Were they kicked off for being Muslim?

Yes.

DeathToMediaHacks on January 2, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Air Tran

faraway on January 2, 2009 at 2:22 PM

All moderate Muslims would be saying “No problem. Unfortunately, we will have to endure some minor inconveniences in the fight against radicals who have hijacked our religion.”

What? There are no moderate Muslims? Never mind….

J.J. Sefton on January 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM

lodge on January 2, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Not a thought crime, as far as I can see.

You can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theater, or “bomb” on a plane. We don’t know what the “comments” about “airport security” entailed, but I have a feeling we’ll soon hear more from both sides.

At the end of the day, the pilot made the call he had the right to make.

cs89 on January 2, 2009 at 2:24 PM

According to AirTran: “One passenger in the party became irate and made inappropriate comments.”

This crew apparently has CAIR on speed-dial since the terrorist co-conspirators had a press release already issued while they were still at the airport.

JammieWearingFool on January 2, 2009 at 2:24 PM

J.J. Sefton on January 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM

I would have thought a moderate muslim would hope to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. That is still a principle of this country, along with freedom of religion, is it not?

lodge on January 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM

I would have thought a moderate muslim would hope to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. That is still a principle of this country, along with freedom of religion, is it not?

lodge on January 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM

It may be, but concerning 100+ people on a airplane and some reject saying “bomb” or something of that manner and YOU are on that plane and hear it…. what would you like to have happened? Keep them on or Have them taken off?

We don’t know the whole story… so stop assuming.

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 2:29 PM

“I would have thought a moderate muslim would hope to be treated as innocent until proven guilty.”

They weren’t jailed, they just missed their flight.

I applaud Air Tran for taking in flight safety seriously and will try and fly them more often.

This flight originated in Washington DC – we saw the Pentagon burn because of unmoderate (non-moderate?) Muslims.

But if you’re offended, by all means, fly airlines that accommodate suspicious Muslims.

We’ll see which airlines are more successful.

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 2:29 PM

This whole thing smacks of a shakedown, so they should get one; the other passengers – especially those who may have missed connecting flights due to the delay – should turn around and sue the family.

landshark on January 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I feel bad for the airline crew. It’s sad you know, that we tell people “be alert for suspicious behavior,” but if they actually are they get punished for it.

kc8ukw on January 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM

J.J. Sefton on January 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM
I would have thought a moderate muslim would hope to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. That is still a principle of this country, along with freedom of religion, is it not?

lodge on January 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Define a “moderate” Muslim? And how exactly are you sure these were some?

HondaV65 on January 2, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Earlier on CNN, they said the discussion in question was over, “the safest place to sit on an airplane.”

I am going to wait before I pass judgement. I am sure there will be more information forthcoming.

BohicaTwentyTwo on January 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM

“Define a “moderate” Muslim?”

A Muslim who has not yet exploded.

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM

All of us, including the non-terrorists of any race or religion, just need to close our eyes for 30 seconds and re-live the horrible images of 9/11. Now, would you rather see those for real a second time, or restrict someone from getting onto a plane with hundreds of other souls in order to never have to see that again? think about it, and all you bleeding hearts, STFU! Thank you for your time….

clinker46 on January 2, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Can CAIR even bring a suit now that their corporation has been legally dissolved?

wildcat84 on January 2, 2009 at 2:36 PM

And just because a large amount of Muslims are unsafe, doesn’t mean that muslims in general are “safe”.

You can turn that around.

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Yes you can but when you apply that logic further then no classification of people is “safe” simply because a few ruin it for the rest.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Whiskey tango foxtrot!!!……Here they are OPENLY discussing where the safest place on a airliner in the event of a bombing and they wonder to WHY they were kicked off! They where lucky to have NOT been arrested as IDIOTS.

grapeknutz on January 2, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I would have thought a moderate muslim would hope to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. That is still a principle of this country, along with freedom of religion, is it not?

lodge on January 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM

I think you’re confusing “investigation” and “conviction”

Nobody was sent to prison. Nobody’s rights were abridged.

So, in a weird sense, you’re right … It’s unfortunate you don’t seem to be on the same subject as the rest of us.

Lets try it this way:

I would have thought a moderate muslim would hope to be able to talk about bombing airplanes all he’d like, with no consequence. That is still a principle of this country, along with the right to ride AirTran, isn’t it?

Doesn’t … quite work. Ah well.

Also, check JWF’s update. It was air marshals that reported these people.
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/01/airtran-releases-statement-on-flight.html

apollyonbob on January 2, 2009 at 2:39 PM

One of the men booted off was a lawyer.

This sounds like ‘judicial jihad’ rope-a-dope that achieved its objective: CAIR managed publicity & eventual discrimination lawsuit with payoff.

locomotivebreath1901 on January 2, 2009 at 2:40 PM

If I was a US airliner, I would file suit against CAIR.

indythinker on January 2, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I blame Islams reckless foreign policies.

Everybody ordinarily love Muslims for their colorful beliefs and behavior. They truly wear their hearts and their hates on their sleeve. It is just that a certain unpleasantness comes to mind in the thoughts of the flying public when they encounter our Muslim friends in an aircraft talking about it’s destruction. Call us slow to get past our fears.

BL@KBIRD on January 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Here’s where we see no hesitation by the press to you the word “Muslim.” But when they are blowing themselves up, sexually mutiliating innocents in Mumbai, shooting their own daughters dead in Texas, there’s nary a word about religious affiliation.

Let’s hear it for AirTran and their unapologetic stance.

CarolynM on January 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Yes you can but when you apply that logic further then no classification of people is “safe” simply because a few ruin it for the rest.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Interesting. Tell me what muslim (anywhere on the face of this earth) who is still a muslim and not a converted Christian or something like it, has ever condemned what their Jihadist “brothers in Arms”? Also please link it.

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 2:43 PM

And no milage credit to boot!

Mr. Joe on January 2, 2009 at 2:43 PM

I’m not arguing that we should ignore signs of danger. If I eat a rotten peanut and get sick, I’ll be more cautious eating the next. But that doesn’t mean I’ll prejudge all peanuts and declare them “unsafe”.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Let’s hear it for AirTran and their unapologetic stance.

CarolynM on January 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM

I don’t think AirTran took a stance. They did what the TSA told them, and they didn’t let the people reboard until LE/DHA said it was alright. If they hadn’t become belligerent, they probably would’ve been able to fly on the airline.

apollyonbob on January 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM

I couldn’t give a ghoot about Muslims being inconvenienced at the airport. I am now inconvenienced every time I go to the airport simply because 19 MUSLIMS decided to act upon their faith, ISLAM.

Got it?

awake on January 2, 2009 at 2:46 PM

“Yes you can but when you apply that logic further then no classification of people is “safe” simply because a few ruin it for the rest.”

Exactly, just a few bad apples. Nothing to be concerned about.

Especially on an airplane. I mean, what are the chances?

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 2:48 PM

I’m not arguing that we should ignore signs of danger. If I eat a rotten peanut and get sick, I’ll be more cautious eating the next. But that doesn’t mean I’ll prejudge all peanuts and declare them “unsafe”.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM

What are you smoking?

Peanuts and Humans… let me think.

Peanut, no emotions, not thought, can’t talk… isn’t aggressive.

Humans, thought, emotions, anger, speaks…

oh yeah they are totally the same. I am rolling my eyes at you…

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 2:48 PM

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Not to burst your ideological bubble, but how to you accurately pre-judge Muslims to see if they are safe?

Apparently someone at the airport deemed it necessary to remove them from the plane, period.

awake on January 2, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Who is testing Air Port Security…Probing Air Port Security…I don’t think it is the Roman Catholics ;) Why make such a “Federal Case” out of it, so The Terrorist can make notes? These Folks want Security rolled back because Air Line Security is so Passe’ Chuckling it’s 2009, do you know your enemies “Tactics” this looks to be out of their handbook.

If Air Port Security is this Tight, I would thank them for being so protective of Flying passengers..including those of Muslim persuasion in fact many are thankful but they don’t have agendas. So the Muslims think they can trump commerce with PC Culture-shame the non multiculturalist?…They need to see what it cost when those Planes were flown into The Towers, The Pentagon, and the Field In Pennsylvania. Honestly CAIR wants to take on “The Insurance Companys” DUDE! Good Luck. Our Airlines are not doing so well “Financially” as it is, like they would leave themselves open to the kind of lawsuits, that would occur if they didn’t follow the new “Security” that has been implemented. They can’t absorb that kind of loss -from lawsuits, they would be driven out of business.

Nice try Kashif Irfan, I have seen that in flight movie too.

Dr Evil on January 2, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Interesting. Tell me what muslim (anywhere on the face of this earth) who is still a muslim and not a converted Christian or something like it, has ever condemned what their Jihadist “brothers in Arms”? Also please link it.

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Hot Air itself has posted on at least one group that opposed the violence. I don’t have time to search it for you.

But if you have time please show me one example where a single German has denounced the horrors of the Nazis.

I was being facetious. Don’t bother. You’ll find it but it will take you awhile.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Tell me what muslim (anywhere on the face of this earth) who is still a muslim and not a converted Christian or something like it, has ever condemned what their Jihadist “brothers in Arms”? Also please link it.

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 2:43 PM

This one took me, like, fifteen seconds to find on Google.

factoid on January 2, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Someone please name 5 moderate Muslims. Just 5.

faraway on January 2, 2009 at 2:51 PM

“Most muslims are peaceful”… I’m sorry but I don’t buy that! I do not see muslims protesting terrorist attacks against America! Ever! I don’t see muslims protesting suicide bombings of children and women! EVER! Why is that?

sabbott on January 2, 2009 at 2:51 PM

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Yeah, and some mushrooms are really good eating too.

Should you just grab a wild mushroom and chow down? Why not? Shouldn’t you avoid “prejudging” mushrooms, and assume that all of them are safe?

Christians that terrorize are caught, and arrested. The Christian community categorically rejects any and all terrorists that try to describe themselves as Christian. If Muslims did this, you’d find more sympathetic ears about how we should just assume all Muslims are A-Okay

apollyonbob on January 2, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Can CAIR even bring a suit now that their corporation has been legally dissolved?

wildcat84 on January 2, 2009 at 2:36 PM

????

I just rechecked their website, it’s still active. I did see something about their chairman or whatever resigning last year.

What are you referring to?

cs89 on January 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM

The same news report said that besides having the passengers disembark and get rescreened, the baggage on the plane was also unloaded and screened for explosives. So someone took that discussion of aspects of airport security pretty seriously.

kishnevi on January 2, 2009 at 2:08 PM

So this family was inconvenienced, as was an entire plane full of people who apparently didn’t make remarks about planes blowing up (as most of us know to do when we’re in an airport or boarding a plane). Who’s going to the handle the lawsuits on their behalf?

Y-not on January 2, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Tough shiite. I’m sure all the other passengers were delighted.

thebookkeeper on January 2, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I am trying to recall the protests by Muslims for the attacks in Mumbai, NYC, Spain, and thousands of other places.

I am sure there were, I just can’t recall.

faraway on January 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Hot Air itself has posted on at least one group that opposed the violence. I don’t have time to search it for you.

Yeah one. Meanwhile, there are literally hundreds of millions of others that think it’s just fantastic.

The number of Muslims that are okay with suicide bombing and terrorism is nearly equal to that of the population of the entire United States.

I mean, I understand the need to avoid generalization, but seriously, at some point you have to say, “Okay I’m going to make this assumption knowing it’s an assumption” – you don’t believe it like it’s fact, but it’s the general rule of thumb, you know?

apollyonbob on January 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Not to burst your ideological bubble, but how to you accurately pre-judge Muslims to see if they are safe?

Apparently someone at the airport deemed it necessary to remove them from the plane, period.

awake on January 2, 2009 at 2:48 PM

First we shouldn’t prejudge. The definition of prejudgement is to make an judgment without all the information. Second, we can deal with unsafe Muslims by screening everyone at the airport. This makes it safe. Why? Because Muslims can make themselves not look like Muslims. Is Kevin Smith a muslim? I don’t know. Do you?

Thirdly, I agreed that if they said something stupid like, “I might have a bomb.” then they should be removed.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM

But if you have time please show me one example where a single German has denounced the horrors of the Nazis.

I was being facetious. Don’t bother. You’ll find it but it will take you awhile.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:50 PM

This one also took me less than a minute.

Also, did you know that in Germany you can be jailed just for claiming the Holocaust didn’t happen?

factoid on January 2, 2009 at 2:56 PM

But if you have time please show me one example where a single German has denounced the horrors of the Nazis.

I was being facetious. Don’t bother. You’ll find it but it will take you awhile.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Time Mag… which is Liberal… comes to mind

Besides, if you go to Germany… they don’t talk about it because they are embarrassed about it.

Factoid… are you talkling Islam.. or Jihad?

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Now wait.

Let’s see a little political correctness here.

This was just a muslim family on vacation.

Looking for a safe place to sit on the plane.

Safe from what? Other muslims I presume.

well, bless their hearts.

When they get back from vacation they can resume figuring out how to kill or subjugate non-muslims.

Like me.

Bless their little pea-pickin hearts.

Ernest on January 2, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Also, did you know that in Germany you can be jailed just for claiming the Holocaust didn’t happen?

factoid on January 2, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Depends on the part of the Country you are in. Germans don’t put up with the BS of it anymore… they know they were wrong.

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM

“Also, did you know that in Germany you can be jailed just for claiming the Holocaust didn’t happen?”

I’m trying to pretend Obama didn’t happen, can I go to jail for that?

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM

“Most muslims are peaceful”… I’m sorry but I don’t buy that! I do not see muslims protesting terrorist attacks against America! Ever!

sabbott on January 2, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Wow! Have I been misunderstood.

Actually I am surprised to find myself defending Muslims on this site.

I don’t see muslims protesting suicide bombings of children and women! EVER! Why is that?

Because you haven’t seen the post that Hot Air did about one group that does.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM

And remember this, the overwhelming majority of Germans and Japanese in WW2 never fired a shot. Yet they had to be discomfited a bit to end it.

BL@KBIRD on January 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I’m trying to pretend Obama didn’t happen, can I go to jail for that?

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM

We may get waterboarded. But I will live.

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Someone please name 5 moderate Muslims. Just 5.

faraway on January 2, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Glenn Beck has had a guy on his show a couple of times in the past who was Muslim and definately not cool with terrorism, though the name escapes me.

There’s also this guy. Not sure of his overall political outlook, but the article is definately an interesting read. Reads like a patriotic lefty, which is more than I can say for a lot of our domestic lefties.

Yes, we American Muslims will continue to challenge the Bush administrations’ proposal to wage war against Iraq. We think a regime change in Washington is as necessary as a regime change in Baghdad, but that is an intramural affair. Once the war is declared, make no mistake Mr. Saddam Hussein and Mr. Bin Laden, We are with America. We will fight with America and we will fight for America. We have a covenant with this nation, we see it as a divine commitment and we will not disobey the Quran (9:4) – we will fulfill our obligations as citizens to the land that opened its doors to us and promised us equality and dignity even though we have a different faith.

Remember this: Muslims from all over the world who wished to live better lives migrated to America and Muslims who only wished to take lives migrated to Afghanistan to join you.

BadgerHawk on January 2, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Factoid… are you talkling Islam.. or Jihad?

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Come on! Give me some credit. I’m talking Muslims. The people. I’ll denounce Islam AND Jihad any day.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Because you haven’t seen the post that Hot Air did about one group that does.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Whopty DOO! One group…. compared to thousands that don’t.

Moving along.

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 3:02 PM

The silence of the majority of muslims kinda makes me wary of them wanting peace.

Read more here.

Kini on January 2, 2009 at 3:02 PM

This one also took me less than a minute.

Also, did you know that in Germany you can be jailed just for claiming the Holocaust didn’t happen?

factoid on January 2, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Good for you. I don’t think I could.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 3:03 PM

shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Hey shick – ’splain something to us. Ok, if there are 2 billion Muslims in this world, and only, conservatively say that only 1% of them (200,000) are radicalized enough to be a threat to us infidels, Exactly how are we supposed to be able to tell them apart from the “peace-loving” types?

If there are, conservatively estimating of course, only 200,000 muslims around the world planning to kill as many of us as they can, how am I supposed to presume my safety in the presence of even ONE muslim?

Fishoutofwater on January 2, 2009 at 3:03 PM

The majority of Muslims are peaceful.
shick on January 2, 2009 at 2:09 PM

But they’ve been terribly remiss in rooting out, punishing and purging their lunatic fringe. Why should it fall on the U.S.’s shoulders? Muslims should be so humiliated by their militant kooks that they take up arms themselves and clean out the caves in Pakistan.

John the Libertarian on January 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM

I mean, I understand the need to avoid generalization, but seriously, at some point you have to say, “Okay I’m going to make this assumption knowing it’s an assumption” – you don’t believe it like it’s fact, but it’s the general rule of thumb, you know?

apollyonbob on January 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I disagree that it’s the general rule of thumb to call Muslims unsafe. Why? Quite simply there are many Muslims living in the U.S. If they weren’t safe, wouldn’t we be regularly attacked?

You almost seem to understand my point though. I’m glad. I would say avoid generalizations. Instead, avoid prejudging.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Rewritten for WWII

Hey shick – ’splain something to us. Ok, if there are 2 billion MuslimsJapanese in this world, and only, conservatively say that only 1% of them (200,000) are radicalized enough to be a threat to us infidelsAmericans, Exactly how are we supposed to be able to tell them apart from the “peace-loving” types?

If there are, conservatively estimating of course, only 200,000 muslims Japanese around the world planning to kill as many of us as they can, how am I supposed to presume my safety in the presence of even ONE muslimJapanese?

Fishoutofwater on January 2, 2009 at 3:03 PM

And they were taken from their homes to live in concentration camps. Think about it.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 3:10 PM

They were just mad because the flight attendant tried to serve them “juice.”

TMK on January 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM

“And they were taken from their homes to live in concentration camps. Think about it.”

And that’s exactly what didn’t happen here.

They missed their flight. Boo hoo. We’ve all missed flights, it’s not the end of the world.

Air Tran did the right thing.

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 3:13 PM

shick on January 2, 2009 at 3:06 PM

It’s possible we haven’t been attacked simply because a sleeper cell hasn’t been activated, or when groups have tried probing airport security in the past – through situations just like this one – they’ve been caught and/or investigated. It wasn’t American muslims that were involved in 9/11 – probably because American muslims aren’t nearly as radicalized as Muslims elsewhere in the world. American muslims also make up a tiny percentage of the Umma at large.

One has to prejudge in these situations – because by time you get all of the facts, the whole thing will be over. Either for better, as in this case, or for far worse.

If a second 9/11 happened tomorrow, wouldn’t we be asking why Jamal Khalid Mahmud, etc, wasn’t screened?

apollyonbob on January 2, 2009 at 3:14 PM

As an analogy – you ask me to walk through a room crowded full of nearly identical black snakes and you tell me that “only a few of them” are the aggressive and deadly “black mambos” that will try to kill me.

Don’t think I’m walking through THAT room, no matter how many you tell me are just “harmless” black snakes.

Fishoutofwater on January 2, 2009 at 3:14 PM

TMK on January 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I’m not sure whether this or this is more appropriate…

Snowed In on January 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM

And they were taken from their homes to live in concentration camps. Think about it.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 3:10 PM

And we may never know HOW MANY may actually have been Japanese spies, thus saving American lives in the process.

Fishoutofwater on January 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM

But they’ve been terribly remiss in rooting out, punishing and purging their lunatic fringe. Why should it fall on the U.S.’s shoulders? Muslims should be so humiliated by their militant kooks that they take up arms themselves and clean out the caves in Pakistan.

The Republican Party has been terribly remiss at rooting out warmongering neocons who want to nuke the middle east preemptively, does that mean true Republicans like myself should be disadvantaged?

lodge on January 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Whiskey tango foxtrot!!!……Here they are OPENLY discussing where the safest place on a airliner in the event of a bombing and they wonder to WHY they were kicked off! They where lucky to have NOT been arrested as IDIOTS.

grapeknutz on January 2, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Thanks for the update on what they actually said. They deserved to be whisked away for those words.

I remember when I traveled to Canada on a bus filled with high schoolers. We were forewarned not to joke about having bombs or anything because we would have been searched and delayed. THIS WAS BACK IN 1983!! Non-muslims should use common sense when they get on airlines and muslims should use common sense when with their mouths and actions as well.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM

BadgerHawk on January 2, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Muqtedar Khan? you must be kidding. The other guy from Beck was most assuredly, M. Zuhdi Jasser. He is not even recognized as a Muslim by his brethren. I’ll give you 1 for Jasser.

Who’s next, Ali Eteraz and Tariq Ramadan?

awake on January 2, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Just one more factoid: The nine people yanked off the Air Tran flight are all Americans, born and raised in this country.

And here’s an opinionoid: You know, stuff happens. These people looked funny, fellow passengers are sometimes antsy, and once someone raises a concern things escalate pretty quickly because everyone wants to cover their behinds and nobody wants to end up being the airline employee who ignored the warning about a terrorist attack. Yet Air Tran could have turned this public relations problem around just by apologizing to the nine Muslims, flying them first class on the next plane out and giving them ten thousand frequent flier miles — all costing a fraction of what they’ve already lost by delaying the plane for two hours.

factoid on January 2, 2009 at 3:19 PM

We should just submit to Islam and things would be so much more peaceful.

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faraway on January 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Republicans like myself should be disadvantaged?

lodge on January 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Republicans are disadvantaged. Hello!

Also, I think they’ve done quite well in rooting out people who want to nuke the middle east preemptively, as I don’t know any Republicans in Congress or the White House that share that view … but they’ve done quite poorly in rooting out the corrupt and wasteful spenders.

And as a result, yeah, we are disadvantaged.

And yeah, it’s our fault.

apollyonbob on January 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

“And they were taken from their homes to live in concentration camps. Think about it.”

And that’s exactly what didn’t happen here.

They missed their flight. Boo hoo. We’ve all missed flights, it’s not the end of the world.

Air Tran did the right thing.

NoDonkey on January 2, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Do you honestly think I have anything to argue with you with this statement? If you do then you’ve still missed my whole point.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

You wanna stop having people think you’re terrorists, Muslims?

Stop the people in your religion who seem to have a problem with constantly blowing sh*t up or murdering those who don’t practise your religion. I’m sorry. I know it was inconvenient and probably a pain in the arse, but suck it up, buttercup.

I never ever make jokes about airport security or bombings or whatevs when I’m at an airport. Simply because of people misinterpreting remarks.

mjk on January 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Earlier on CNN, they said the discussion in question was over, “the safest place to sit on an airplane.”

I am going to wait before I pass judgement. I am sure there will be more information forthcoming.

BohicaTwentyTwo on January 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM

CNN – the Communist News Network

yubley on January 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Imagine what would happen to you if you got on a plane and saw your old buddy Jack from high shcool……….

Seven Percent Solution on January 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM

school………

Seven Percent Solution on January 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM

apollyonbob on January 2, 2009 at 3:14 PM

I think we only disagree on the definitions of our words. I think I’m finished.

shick on January 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM

For starters, a joke so old it was cut from Airplane.

Snowed In on January 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM

That is still a principle of this country, along with freedom of religion, is it not?

lodge on January 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Sure, but private businesses all have the freedom to refuse service, as is their want.

Esthier on January 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Just one more factoid: The nine people yanked off the Air Tran flight are all Americans, born and raised in this country.

factoid on January 2, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Like we have never had home grown terrorists? One of the terrorists for 9/11 was an American terrorist they decided not to use…

upinak on January 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM

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