Gloves coming off?

posted at 8:49 am on January 2, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Israel has taken its war with Gaza to a new level of specificity.  They have begun targeting the residences of Hamas leaders, but curiously, have decided to start warning them each before the attacks.  Even more curiously, at least one of them was either too slow or too stupid to take advantage of the purported warning:

Israel bombed a mosque it says was used to store weapons and destroyed the homes of more than a dozen Hamas operatives on Friday, the seventh day of a blistering offensive in Gaza and the day after an airstrike killed a prominent Hamas figure.

In what appeared to be a new Israeli tactic, the military called at least some of the houses ahead of time to warn inhabitants of an impending attack. In some cases, it also fired a sound bomb to warn away civilians before flattening the homes with powerful missiles, Palestinians and Israeli defense officials said. …

It also was identified with Nizar Rayan, the Hamas militant leader killed Thursday when Israel dropped a one-ton bomb on his home. The explosion killed 20 people, including all four of Rayan’s wives and 10 of his children.

The strike on Rayan’s home obliterated the four-story apartment building and peeled off the walls of others around it, carving out a vast field of rubble.

Rayan, 49, ranked among Hamas’ top five decision-makers. A professor of Islamic law, he was known for his close ties to the group’s military wing and was respected in Gaza for donning combat fatigues and personally participating in clashes against Israeli forces. He sent one of his sons on an October 2001 suicide mission that killed two Israeli settlers in Gaza.

The mosque destroyed by the IDF was connected to Rayan.  He had openly bragged about using it to store weapons against Israel as well as using it for a rally point for terrorist attacks.  Before this latest clash, Rayan had more or less dared Israel to kill him by refusing to follow other Hamas leaders into hiding when hostilities erupted in Gaza.  This time, they took him up on the dare, but not before calling his house to warn him that the bombs were coming.

Why make the calls at all?  The IDF wants the families out of the house when they target the homes for destruction.  Hamas uses the residences of its leaders to store and distribute weapons, the IDF claims, which makes them legitimate targets for attack.  Israel seems more interested in sending a message than in killing Hamas leaders, or at least more worried about the collateral damage than the leaders themselves.

I see their point, but if Hamas leaders insist on conducting terrorist business from their homes, then I’d say that they are responsible for any legitimate act of defense Israel takes against them.  That’s also true for the mosques.  Any facility used to house the tools of war and the leadership of the organization that conducts war is fair game during that war — and besides which, Hamas certainly has no compunction about dropping missiles on civilians now and throughout its history in Gaza.  They’re not picking up the phone and called Sderot and Ashkelon to give Israelis the schedule of missile attacks in advance.

Israel would be better suited to issue a blanket warning to Hamas leadership, and let them discover the specifics of the IDF schedule at the moment when their luck runs out.

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Perhaps Hamas guys shouldn’t be using their families as human shields.

rob verdi on January 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM

What other use have they?

SlimyBill on January 2, 2009 at 8:55 AM

It wasn’t slowness or stupidity. Israel’s “knock on the roof” policy is designed to make sure that civilians evacuate civilian infrastructure that’s being used to store weapons: the green light to attackisn’t given until the IDF sees evidence that civilians have left the building. Hamas has exploited this by sending people to the roofs of their houses after Israel calls them to warn them about an impending attack (the IDF deals with this by firing warning shots that send those civilians scurrying).

So Rayyan figured that the IDF would see that he was keeping his wives and children trapped in his house and wouldn’t hit him even though he was Hamas’s #3. He was wrong.

omriceren on January 2, 2009 at 9:01 AM

What a sad day.

He’ll never see 1/20/09.

artist on January 2, 2009 at 9:01 AM

The IDF calls and notifies the target that the bombs are coming, yet the target doesn’t have the decency to get his family (4 wives and 10 children) out of the house. At least the Israelis made a civilized attempt to prevent injury to non-combatants (unlike their enemy hiding behind their women’s burkas).

This gives a new spin to the old Russian fear of ‘the knock at the door’.

SeniorD on January 2, 2009 at 9:04 AM

The explosion killed 20 people, including all four of Rayan’s wives and 10 of his children.

I hate to sound coarse but at least there are 10 less future suicide bombers the Israelis have to deal with.

It sounds more like the IDF are going after these targets more for the weapons and the fact that they are command and control points than for the excrement living there. Personally I would forget the phone call.

conservnut on January 2, 2009 at 9:04 AM

You are right Ed. Why does Israel need to call the house of this animal and tell him that they are going to blow up his house. The international community is going to condemn Israel either way. Israel might as well kill Rayan like any other country would do it, rather than risk Rayan running away like a little girl.

Lance Murdock on January 2, 2009 at 9:06 AM

conservnut on January 2, 2009 at 9:04 AM

You’re right – most of the reports I’ve read say that the house was on the target list because it was a known weapons cache. By the time they got around to it, IAF was shocked to see that Rayyan was stupid enough to refuse Hamas’s advice to go below ground.

omriceren on January 2, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Why warn them? Erase them all and level the Gaza strip so they cant hide anywhere. That will solve that problem

grapeknutz on January 2, 2009 at 9:07 AM

What a sad day.

He’ll never see 1/20/09.

artist on January 2, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Ha!

Why warn them? Erase them all and level the Gaza strip so they cant hide anywhere. That will solve that problem

grapeknutz on January 2, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Warning them leaves them without excuse, which is probably important to the Israelis, who seem only recently to have realized that their battles are always a two-front war: one front is fighting the enemy, the other is waging PR.

Tzetzes on January 2, 2009 at 9:12 AM

These same Hamas leaders will use their families for human shields when they know Israel is coming. They don’t value their families lives, why should Israel?
Except for the “martyr factor” so seized on in their (and our)media.

As an aside: can I make a call for them? “Hello, Mr Mohammed Scumbag. Publishers Clearing House here, you’re a Grand Prize winner! To claim your prize, Look up.”

JoeAvg on January 2, 2009 at 9:14 AM

They should warn them because not everyone living in the house may be aware that they are being targeted because there are weapons in the house or in the house next door or the head of the household is a SOB.

Give them a chance to flee.

Blake on January 2, 2009 at 9:15 AM

As an aside: can I make a call for them? “Hello, Mr Mohammed Scumbag. Publishers Clearing House here, you’re a Grand Prize winner! To claim your prize, Look up.”

JoeAvg on January 2, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Heh! I bet old Marine Ed McMahon would love to deliver that prize.

conservnut on January 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM

I hope this is the last of the “warnings”. The purpose of war is to kill people and break things. That is what shock and awe really is. A politically correct war makes things last longer and progress is slowed to a crawl. Stop talking and get it done. 60 years of talking has gotten Israel nothing except the realization that they have to be the ones in control of their own security and destiny.

BetseyRoss on January 2, 2009 at 9:20 AM

I hate to sound coarse but at least there are 10 less future suicide bombers the Israelis have to deal with.
conservnut on January 2, 2009 at 9:04 AM

That’s exactly what I thought. When it comes right down to it, better them (Islamists) than us (Western civilization).

Kill. Them. All.

And a Happy New Year to everyone else!

CarolynM on January 2, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Didn’t the US warn Japan before they dropped the H-bomb?

Tommy_G on January 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Would Hamas notify Israel of pending strikes against targets in a civilian area? No way.

DL13 on January 2, 2009 at 9:23 AM

omriceren on January 2, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Omir,

I have to say, I think you do great work, keep it up.

Lance Murdock on January 2, 2009 at 9:25 AM

I’m not inclined to second guess the phone call policy any more than I am to second guess the attack itself. Both seem well-intentioned for the maximum protection of innocent life – both Israeli and Palestinian.

The Israeli people and government are a remarkable people in their compassion for others and their love of humanity. The Jewish people in general hate oppression and injustice, and are great stewards of the gifts that they have received from God.

I have nothing but admiration for these people, and while I have empathy for the plight of Palestinian children being raised in a hopeless, lawless, filthy, worthless society, I blame that on their leaders. They are a despicable vermin, and their violent deaths can’t come soon enough.

Jaibones on January 2, 2009 at 9:27 AM

After watching CNN and the BBC overnight (I know, I know.. ), it seems perfectly clear that NO amount of PR will serve the Israelis well. They may as well forget about winning the PR war, they haven’t a chance.

Fortunately, PR doesn’t put bread on the table.

OldEnglish on January 2, 2009 at 9:28 AM

The explosion killed 20 people, including all four of Rayan’s wives

So he now has four wives AND 70 virgins?

jgapinoy on January 2, 2009 at 9:29 AM

It’s not going to have any impact on anyone’s view of this effort- those who hate Israel are not going to be softened by the warnings.

All it’s going to do is extend the conflict.

Bombs away.

drjohn on January 2, 2009 at 9:31 AM

So he now has four wives AND 70 virgins?

jgapinoy on January 2, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Wow! That’s going to screw up his mojo!

conservnut on January 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

It is always the children who suffer most and have the least control over events. It is right to grieve for them and hate the cause of their suffering. The cause is not Israel. Those who blame Israel for this suffering would do so no matter what. Don’t look for logic or reason here. Those concepts are totally foreign to Palestinian thinking. Hatred for Isreal is their only motivation. Any suggestion that the Palestinians only want their homeland is delusional from day one. Their hell is self-made and they deserve it, even if the children don’t.

SKYFOX on January 2, 2009 at 9:56 AM

So he now has four wives AND 70 virgins?

jgapinoy on January 2, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Wow! That’s going to screw up his mojo!

conservnut on January 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

And they call that Paradise. I’d have to take a second look at the alternative.

RedWinged Blackbird on January 2, 2009 at 9:56 AM

They should warn them because not everyone living in the house may be aware that they are being targeted because there are weapons in the house or in the house next door or the head of the household is a SOB.

Give them a chance to flee.

Blake on January 2, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Wars are fought so NO thoughts are ever considered by the opposition to go at that country ever again. Harsh brutality make that other side think twice of ever doing that again.
A “gentleman’s” war will always repeat itself till the pubic opinion side with the aggressors side as we are now witnessing with the press.

grapeknutz on January 2, 2009 at 10:03 AM

They should warn them because not everyone living in the house may be aware that they are being targeted because there are weapons in the house or in the house next door or the head of the household is a SOB.

Give them a chance to flee.

Blake on January 2, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Wars are fought so NO thoughts are ever considered by the opposition to go at that country ever again. Harsh brutality make that other side think twice of ever doing that again.
A “gentleman’s” war will always repeat itself till the pubic opinion side with the aggressors side as we are now witnessing with the press.

grapeknutz on January 2, 2009 at 10:04 AM

The explosion killed 20 people, including all four of Rayan’s wives and 10 of his children.

Way to set an example of family values, Senor Rayan. Curious, how many more wives were there?

perroviejo on January 2, 2009 at 10:07 AM

This defies all logic. War fighting 101; do not give away your element of surprise under any circumstance. These
Ham-ass thug cowards know better then to put their children and wives in a situation like that, knowing full well, the eye in the sky is watching their every move.

NOTE TO THE IDF: do not pre-coordinate you attacks on the enemy with the enemy.

0321_GUY on January 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM

jailbones,
“I’m not inclined to second guess the phone call policy any more than I am to second guess the attack itself. Both seem well-intentioned for the maximum protection of innocent life – both Israeli and Palestinian. ”

The second-guessing is not due to a feeling that Israel is “wrong” to undertake these attacks, but rather to a question of whether the decrease in effectiveness caused by the warnings is less than the PR gain.

exhelodrvr on January 2, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Didn’t the US warn Japan before they dropped the H-bomb?

Tommy_G on January 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Yes.

perroviejo on January 2, 2009 at 10:12 AM

The Israelis are…just…too…nice.

perroviejo on January 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Stop Warning them.

dogsoldier on January 2, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Remember, Gang, these are the same brave leaders who instruct children to get in front of israeli tanks and throw rocks at them.

I truly believe there is a special place in Hell reserved for men who hide behind and abuse women and children.

Hamas leaders are a waste of oxygen and a contradiction in terms.

kingsjester on January 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM

So he now has four wives AND 70 virgins?

jgapinoy on January 2, 2009 at 9:29 AM

No, now he has a face-to-face with his Maker, who’s unlikely to be favorably impressed by his decision to spend his life trying to maim and kill as many “dirty Jews” as possible.

AZCoyote on January 2, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Unless Israel decides to win the war with Hamas from the top down (kill the top 3+ layers of Hamas leadership) instead of bottom up (kill the Hamas policeman, teenage Hamas street fighter and empty Hamas building), forget it – Israel is just playing the same old war politics of threaten, attack, attack, cease fire, negotiations, then wait for Hamas to attack and repeat the political war cycle ad nauseum.
(And it always seems to happen right before an Israeli election….)

Does Israel really want to or can they even win a war?
Did the U.S. notify top Saddam loyalists that they were about to drop a bomb on their house prior to the attack? What war was ever won by tipping off the enemy leadership of an impending attack?

albill on January 2, 2009 at 10:20 AM

I JUST heard a news report (from CNN of course Hey! My local station picked it up! I didn’t tune in CNN) that was telling about all the carnage Isreal is causing, but when they went to the Isreali city where missles were raining down the guy “heard the siren, got down behind a car, heard the siren stop, said “No missiles fell” and left the rest of the story at that. He didn’t say a word about previous missiles, that the missiles are now longer range or that they are reaching deeper and deeper! That was a total waste of air time! CNN is such a waste!!!

Vntnrse on January 2, 2009 at 10:20 AM

I have been head-scratchingly puzzled about this telephone call warning policy for the past day or so … militarily it seems counterproductive and as a P.R. exercise (as some have suggested in might be) it seems pointless and bizarre.

However the Israeli actions make some sense if the intent is:

(1) to keep a short and easily justified account with God.

(2) to influence the opinion of those Gaza residents who are not terminally infatuated with Islam in the hope that one day these people will become both willing and able to co-operate with Israel.

YiZhangZhe on January 2, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Re: OldEnglish:

After watching CNN and the BBC overnight (I know, I know.. ), it seems perfectly clear that NO amount of PR will serve the Israelis well. They may as well forget about winning the PR war, they haven’t a chance.

Fortunately, PR doesn’t put bread on the table.

There’s a lot of me that wants to agree with this line of thinking, but after last summer’s incursion into Lebanon I just can’t. It was not how that action occurred that lost the Israelis ground but rather how it was perceived throughout the rest of the world.

With the warnings & every other step the Israelis are taking to show the world how far they’re willing to go NOT to harm any civi’s- that has an effect, where even the most USEFUL of idiots can not only be easily ignored but BUMPED aside with proof of effort to save civi lives.

They’re ahead of the BS curve this time. They brought their cameras to instantly show the world just what kind of “stoopid” they’re dealing with, without having to rely on any mainstream press to filter.

The Faux-tographada’s over, these methods being, literally, the proof. Bad news for Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.

ChipDWood on January 2, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Wasn’t it the great Babe Ruth who also “called his shot” …

tarpon on January 2, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Way to set an example of family values, Senor Rayan. Curious, how many more wives were there?

perroviejo on January 2, 2009 at 10:07 AM

I believe 4 is the Islamic limit and he was maxed out.

DarkCurrent on January 2, 2009 at 10:39 AM

You are right Ed. Why does Israel need to call the house of this animal and tell him that they are going to blow up his house.

I think that by giving the enemy an opportunity to scurry, Israel exposes the hypocracy of islamists who will send others to their death but when their number is called they run.

Maybe that’s why #3 didn’t run.

shuzilla on January 2, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Didn’t the US warn Japan before they dropped the H-bomb?

Tommy_G on January 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM

They were just low efficiency A-bombs, but yes.

DarkCurrent on January 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Here’s a fantasy:

On the first of some month, Israel starts keeping a count of rockets fired from Gaza. Big electric signs in all the cities maintain the count and Hamas reacts like a teenage driver reacts to a speed monitor: they try to run the count up as high as they can. On the first of the next month, Israel begins its new campaign: for every rocket launched and counted, a MOAB (Massive Ordinance Air Burst) or its equivalent is detonated somewhere over Gaza.

njcommuter on January 2, 2009 at 10:44 AM

I believe 4 is the Islamic limit and he was maxed out.

DarkCurrent on January 2, 2009 at 10:39 AM

If he saw another one that he liked better could he throw one back and keep the new one.
sarc/

thomasaur on January 2, 2009 at 10:47 AM

I hope when the Hamas leaders die they have all the virgins they want waiting on them. And they all look like Janet Reno and Danny Devito.

kingsjester on January 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM

thomasaur on January 2, 2009 at 10:47 AM

They don’t “throw them back”. That would cruel and un-Islamic. They strap bombs on them and send ‘em charging at the infidels.

DarkCurrent on January 2, 2009 at 10:56 AM

ChipDWood on January 2, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Can’t argue your post, Israel is doing a better job of selling this time. However, you are a reasonable person, and can both see and appreciate what Israel is trying to do. Those who have the loudest voice, and get the most attention, will never accept these good intentions – because they don’t want to.

I think that Lebanon was lost because Israel listened to the world, and lost heart. They are doing it again with this new approach, and, as such, will not be able to fully concentrate upon the job in hand.

If Israel’s mission is to punish, then such measures may be appropriate, But, if they wish to solve the problem permanently, they have to tell the world to butt out. If they do this, the world will throw a hissy fit for a few days, while the Muslims will behave as they normally do – regardless of Israel’s behaviour.

OldEnglish on January 2, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Way to set an example of family values, Senor Rayan. Curious, how many more wives were there?

perroviejo on January 2, 2009 at 10:07 AM

I believe 4 is the Islamic limit and he was maxed out.

DarkCurrent on January 2, 2009 at 10:39 AM

That’s the Islamic version of women’s rights. The men can only have 4 wives. You don’t want to have too many, you know…. that would be so unfair to women!

UltimateBob on January 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM

The Jewish people in general hate oppression and injustice, and are great stewards of the gifts that they have received from God.

Jaibones on January 2, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Which is why I am totally puzzled as to why (in general) the Jewish community in our country continues to support Democrats.

With the Dems’ oppressive anti-American, anti-business, agenda and pro-Palestinian leanings, they might as well support the Hamas party.

UltimateBob on January 2, 2009 at 11:14 AM

That’s the Islamic version of women’s rights. The men can only have 4 wives. You don’t want to have too many, you know…. that would be so unfair to women!

UltimateBob on January 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM

In a way it may be fairer. Consider if you were married to the likes of Nizar Rayan; would you rather be 1 of 1 or 1 of 4? 1 of 4 probably gets less personal attention.

DarkCurrent on January 2, 2009 at 11:19 AM

How’d you like to get that call?!

“Yes, Mr. Terrorist? Yes, this is the IDF. We know where you live and we’re sending a bomb through your bedroom window in 5. Thanks! Have a nice day!”

This is all to let them know they are being hunted. As such, perhaps they’re encourage their terrorist buddies to rethink their activities.

Wyznowski on January 2, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Israel has been warning them. The Media hasn’t been mentioning that. So on less Hama’s leader. Go’s to show how little he cared for his wives and children. But, those kids would have been suicide bombers eventually. Now Israel has 10 less bombers in the future. I hope Israel keep going and going. There are a lot of dirt to clean out.

sheebe on January 2, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I think we should bury this douchebag with a couple of those little blue pills that we are giving out in Afganistan. A little mercy would go a long way. Oh, but after dipping them briefly in pig fat.

TimothyJ on January 2, 2009 at 11:36 AM

I served in the U.S. Army during the Vietnam War–not in a combat role. I always wondered what in the hell was going on. Why didn’t we just win the war in the next 6 months like General Sherman going through Georgia on his march to the sea during the U.S. Civil War? Or like General Patton on his way into and through Nazi Germany during WW2? I never thought that we would be so stupid as to fight a politically “correct” war and lose it. Or that we would stay in place and take endless casualties fighting on the enemy’s terms and places.
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The U.S.A. and Israel have forgotten the primary rule of war–WIN AT ALL COSTS. Only victory counts–don’t worry if ten or one hundred enemies and their enablers / supporters die for every one of your soldiers. A good leader makes sure they die instead of you–and should be removed or shot if he goes “touchey–feely” on the troops.
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Sock it to the terrorists and their supporters–no quarter asked, no quarter given. War is hell–and it is time to win it.
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John Bibb

rocketman on January 2, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I hope when the Hamas leaders die they have all the virgins they want waiting on them. And they all look like Janet Reno and Danny Devito.

kingsjester on January 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM

If the Koran was authored from the dark side as I believe it was then I suspect its author will take great delight in welcoming the new arrivals and pointing out that although 72-virgins were promised, there was never any guarantee that they would be female or human or heterosexual.

In fact, given that virginity itself is apparently renewable in the Islamic hereafter, I guess it is possible that the male followers of Mohammed will spend all of eternity molesting one another.

YiZhangZhe on January 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM

They should warn them because not everyone living in the house may be aware that they are being targeted because there are weapons in the house or in the house next door or the head of the household is a SOB.

Give them a chance to flee.

Blake on January 2, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Pffft~ Hey kid, go back upstairs, I think cartoons are coming on now. The grown-ups are talking.

Fishoutofwater on January 2, 2009 at 12:02 PM

YiZhangZhe on January 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM

What would be better, I think, is if they were Vestal virgins – and they had to stay that way!

OldEnglish on January 2, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I think the warnings are a futile attempt to court public opinion. Bush fought the war timidly at first so as not to upset the media. How did that work for him?

“The only mercy in war should be brevity.”
—Machiavelli

PattyJ on January 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM

but curiously, have decided to start warning them each before the attacks

Like here, where they mark “targeted enforcement areas” so you’ll know where the speed traps are.

Bizarre.

rightwingprof on January 2, 2009 at 12:23 PM

From the Times online:

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said that the conflict had become “a dramatic crisis”.The civilian population in Gaza and stability throughout the Middle East were trapped, he said, “between the irresponsibility displayed in the indiscriminate rocket attacks by Hamas militants and the disproportionality of the continuing Israeli military operation”.

Disproportionality? So if someone rapes Ki-moon’s daughter, what is the proportional response? This is the left’s mantra for Israel now and is totally designed to aid and abet Hamas and others in their quest to irradicate Israel. God in heaven does take note and woe be tide to those who side against Israel.
Krauhammer has an excellent column on this problem. He hits it out of the park. Hamas and it’s allies could care less if every American were dead as well. These people are demon from hell possessed fanatics. How else would/could you explain their inhumanity to man and their pathological hatred for their blood brothers Israel. (Ishmael & Isaac both sons of Abraham)

wepeople on January 2, 2009 at 12:29 PM

This is like the story of the burglar who brought in to a Quaker’s Home. The owner showed up with a shotgun and said:

Friend, I mean thee no harm. But thou art standing where I am about to shoot.

kingsjester on January 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM

brought=broke
oops

kingsjester on January 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Hamas simply does not accept the right of Israel to exist. They are implacable enemies, who keep logging ordnance at Israeli civilians. The Israelis have every right to defend themselves. Unfortunately, the Israelis have to play the PR game, hence the phone calls. Still, in my cynical way, I’d just chalk a crude drawing of a phone on the bombs and call it good. Anyone who wants to live can leave – and anyone who is staying in a war zone helping hide weapons is a participant. They are not a civilian.

Another option might be to publicize the fact that they will devastate any area used for launching missiles or firing mortars, manufacturing bombs etc. Publicize it heavily for a week, then just let the bombs fall where they may. If people in Gaza really want to end this they can – by stopping the attacks on Israel. Since they do not want to do that, there seems to be no alternative but for Israel to take out the weapons, and as many Palestinians as are nearby when the bombs fall. Not perfect, but probably more defensible to the weak-kneed crowd.

Orson Buggeigh on January 2, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Welcome to the new America!

dmann on January 2, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Telephone calls are cheaper than bombs. If the Israelis repeatedly make 10 calls and bomb one site each time, they should soon get a Pavlovian response. That is, if Hamas’ leadership is at least as smart as a dog.

cthulhu on January 2, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Telephone calls are cheaper than bombs.

cthulhu on January 2, 2009 at 1:33 PM

They’re also less effective.

DarkCurrent on January 2, 2009 at 1:42 PM

I have argued here and at the old Captain’s Quarters that we won’t be serious about the war on terror until we approach it “top down” first.

The terror leaders themselves have to be personally held responsible for the murder and mayhem they are instigating. They have to be terminated on the field not in a court.
Continue to execute the leaders of Hamas, Hezballoh, Iran, Syria for starters and the war on terror would immediately start to wind down.

If it doesn’t, then start down the food chain. In the interim it is not necessary to bomb countries and populations into the stone age hoping to change the behaviour of the terror leaders. These leaders will take their people down the drain. Prime example Mugabe, another terror leader who should have been shot on sight ten years ago.

We have to let the dogs out.

patrick neid on January 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Is psychological warfare pure and simple. How many of you had read “Starship Troopers” (the book not the movie)

Remember the: I am 30 seconds bomb, I am a 29 seconds bomb, I am a 28, etc…

Brilliant!

El Coqui on January 2, 2009 at 2:31 PM

They may be warning them since not everyone in the house may be terrorists… plus, by getting them to flee, they may be able to monitor them and see if they lead them to others…

Just speculating…

dominigan on January 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM

“Disproportionality.” What’s that, Colin Powell’s “overwhelming force” in a yarmulka?

Barnestormer on January 2, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Israel would be better suited to issue a blanket warning to Hamas leadership, and let them discover the specifics of the IDF schedule at the moment when their luck runs out.

…bingo….

…gonna fight a war, fight it like a war….

…as they should know by now that, no matter what, they’re going to be treated by the UN and the world’s establishment press as lackeys of the US and as genocidal maniacs — a nice bit of historical acrobatics there — what do they have to lose? Some future terror attacks, maybe?

…they have the targets based on reasonably reliable intelligence? Hit ‘em. Knock ‘em flat. Get in the way, you’re flattened, too.

On the matter of noncombattants, so called, consider that in Palestinian terms, a “noncombattant” is someone who’s not yet old enough to commit political murder on the basis that they can’t yet tie on the dynamite vest (just as they can’t yet tie their own shoes) or their feet can’t yet reach the pedals of the car-bomb they’re expected to drive. All comes in time.

…so, put the targets behind the soft barriers of your “noncombattants”, and it’s rather like putting on the targets in the shooting gallery…you’ve put ‘em at risk…who’s to blame?

Puritan1648 on January 2, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Continue to execute the leaders of Hamas, Hezballoh, Iran, Syria for starters and the war on terror would immediately start to wind down.

…eh…sort of but not quite….

…this whole murderous mess is premised on the fact that the terrorists can count on conditional support from their own community…they attack and make the Israelis (and US) look bad, the supporters are pleased….

…now…make it costly for those conditional supporters by, say, bombing at targets they as well as the Israelis know are there, hitting the civilians meant to shield those targets — in effect saying “we don’t care any more than you do if you hide among your women and children…we can kill them too” — and the dynamic changes. It becomes “don’t piss of the Israelis”….

…make it costly….

Puritan1648 on January 2, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Puritan

That’s why I followed with “If it doesn’t, then start down the food chain.”

The key though is starting at the top.

patrick neid on January 2, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Hey Japan, this is Lt.Col. Jimmie Doolittle. We are on our was to bomb Tokyo.

Johan Klaus on January 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Telephone calls are cheaper than bombs. If the Israelis repeatedly make 10 calls and bomb one site each time, they should soon get a Pavlovian response. That is, if Hamas’ leadership is at least as smart as a dog.

cthulhu on January 2, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Big assumtion

Johan Klaus on January 2, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Why warn them? Erase them all and level the Gaza strip so they cant hide anywhere. That will solve that problem

grapeknutz on January 2, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Uh, maybe because the Israelis understand that it’s one thing to take your opponent’s land, forcing them into diaspora, and quite another to completely obliterate your opponent, causing another Holocaust.

unclesmrgol on January 2, 2009 at 5:22 PM

unclesmrgol on January 2, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Arabs are in diaspora?

DarkCurrent on January 2, 2009 at 5:26 PM

On the other hand, think about the message this sends:

Even with warning and time to prepare, Hamas can’t protect their own homes, and in this case their own families. How can they protect the rest of the Palestinians?

I think Israel is doing this as a part of a psy-op to break the will of the Palestinians to keep attacking by rubbing their noses in how hopeless it is.

StargazerA5 on January 2, 2009 at 5:45 PM

The only way to stop the terrorists and their supporters in Gaza is to make it unbearable for them to continue. Generals Curtis Lemay and Arthur Harris had it right. If civilians are willing participants and supporters of the terrorist war effort then they are complicent and valid targets.

Ragnarok on January 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM

The phone calls are simply and example of political correctness run amok in a highly inappropriate setting (it’s WAR!!). Phone calls won’t defeat Hamas.

Israel should give one blanket announcement that any structure containing rockets or other instruments of war will be obliterated, as will anyone firing at or otherwise attempting to harm any Israelis.

In other words, RUN AWAY FROM THE ROCKETS: don’t wait for the phone call!!!

landlines on January 2, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Mosques will reamain the ideal weapons depots.

Despite all this, the wire services will still send out messages that ‘holy sites’ were destroyed. In a sense they are correct – Mosques are holy sites. What they always omit is that it is totally legitimate to store bombs and rockets in Islamic ‘holy’ sites and give cover to ‘holy warriors’ there. Something your average Priest or Rabbi would likely take great exception to happening on his property.

Still, there is no reason for Reuters and AP to point this up.

Ares on January 2, 2009 at 7:53 PM

“Heh! I bet old Marine Ed McMahon would love to deliver that prize.

conservnut”

Or Ed could become Senator from NY.
He is a Kennedy ya know.

Yep Colonel McMahon’s grandmother was the cousin of Rose Fitzgerald, mother of John F. Kennedy.

DSchoen on January 2, 2009 at 10:11 PM

This defies all logic. War fighting 101; do not give away your element of surprise under any circumstance.
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Psych warfare 201

The Coming to God call

1. Call them up. Home phone, cell phone, office phone, car phone, sat phone, leave message.

2. Let them know your going to blow up their home, include day, date, time.

3. Let it be known that the call was made. Call his associates on their Home phone, cell phone, office phone, car phone, sat phone, leave message.

4. Let it be known that the call was made. Call media on their Home phone, cell phone, office phone, car phone, sat phone, leave message.

5. Follow through at the stated day, date, time.

6. Repeat as often as necessary

DSchoen on January 2, 2009 at 11:04 PM