Quote of the day
posted at 9:31 pm on December 30, 2008 by Allahpundit
“The real change in the president, in my opinion, didn’t actually happen until that Friday, when he traveled to New York. The situation on Tuesday was so—you really didn’t have time to reflect. In New York, the range of emotions that he went through—standing on the rubble, the bullhorn moment, but just as important, when he sat there in that room in private and met with those people who were still trying to learn the whereabouts of their loved ones, and hugging them, and where he got the badge.
He always gets asked, Have you changed?, and he instinctively recoils at that kind of question. But when something like this happens on your watch, there’s no way it can’t change you. It can’t not change your worldview—and it obviously changed his in a way that has been controversial for a lot of people.”
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Untrue. That little dustup against the U.S. Embassy in Iran was an attack on U.S. soil.
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 11:04 PM
It’s all Greek to me.
Ah well, it’s the Hippocratic Oath. Translated to English it basically just says, “Above all else do no harm”.
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Military rules, by Service
Marine Corps Rules:
1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
3. Have a plan.
4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won’t work.
5. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet even your friends…
6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a “4.”
7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral & diagonal preferred.)
9. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot.
Navy SEAL’s Rules:
1. Look very cool in sunglasses.
2. Kill every living thing within view.
3. Adjust speedo.
4. Check hair in mirror.
US Army Rangers Rules:
1. Walk in 50 miles wearing 75 pound rucksack while starving.
2. Locate individuals requiring killing.
3. Request permission via radio from “Higher” to perform killing.
4. Curse bitterly when mission is aborted.
5. Walk out 50 miles wearing a 75 pound rucksack while starving.
US Army Rules:
1. Curse bitterly when receiving operational order.
2. Make sure there is extra ammo and extra coffee.
3. Curse bitterly.
4. Curse bitterly.
5. Do not listen to 2nd LT’s; it can get you killed.
6. Curse bitterly.
US Air Force Rules:
1. Have a cocktail.
2. Adjust temperature on air-conditioner.
3. See what’s on HBO.
4. Ask “what is a gunfight?”
5. Request more funding from Congress with a “killer” Power Point presentation.
6. Wine & dine ‘key’ Congressmen, invite DOD & defense industry executives.
7. Receive funding, set up new command and assemble assets.
8. Declare the assets “strategic” and never deploy them operationally.
9. Hurry to make 13:45 tee-time.
10. Make sure the base is as far as possible from the conflict but close enough to have tax exemption.
US Navy Rules:
1. Go to Sea.
2. Drink Coffee.
3. Deploy Marines
Dreadnought223 on December 30, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Ummmmmmmmm remember that fella named
Osama Bin Laden.
benny shakar Dec 30,2008 at 10:30PM.
benny shakar: You are persistent in your hit and runs,eh!
Here we go,remember your buddy,Bill who didn’t
pull the trigger on OBL,not once,or twice,but
three times!
The same guy,or Liberal Party who was so comm
itted to peace,had Yesser Arafat on a bench
for over a half hour in the Rose garden,while
Billy was getting an oil change form’Monica
the Mechanic’!
And,heres a bonus,a ME terrorist was coming
out of the ME,with an empending Navy Seal
assualt heading to said freighter to capture
said goon!
The freighter was shadowed by a US Sub,and
a Destroyer,two teams,helicopters were on
their way to secure said goon!
15 minutes to go,nearing the Freighter,your
buddy Bill,refused to sign the order once
again,so once again bill wouldn’t pull the
trigger!
Their seems to be a pattern of Liberals
unable to pull the trigger,on terrorists!
canopfor on December 30, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I think the difference is that both Bush and FDR did something about it, and BJ got BJ’s.
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Yeah, I got that… now :) But apparently somehow Pearl Harbor is still FDR’s fault and 9/11 is Bush’s fault.
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I challenge any of you to find any of the good verbal comments about GWB an the last 7+ years in the VF piece. Surge? Petraeus? War won in Iraq? Even some of the quotes given were taken out of context on purpose.
marcboyd on December 30, 2008 at 11:08 PM
think the difference is that both Bush and FDR did something about it, and BJ got BJ’s.
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Yes Clinton was worse than Bush and FDR. We have not had a good president since Reagan IMO. and before him possible IKE/ Truman.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:08 PM
In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.
Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of unicorn searching.
Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammed himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”
Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.
Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.
- A_Plague_on_Both_Houses (JihadWatch)
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Not knocking you, and I don’t blame Bush for 9/11 or FDR for Pearl Harbor (had an uncle there that day). The country will be attacked. How the chief executive responds is a tell of his character:
FDR: “Yesterday, December 7th, 1941, was a day which will live in infamy.”
Bush: “I hear you! And the people that did this will hear from all of us soon!”
BJ: “Hey Monica, come on over here…”
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Sorry I should’ve made it more clear… I was referring to unseen, not you. My apologies.
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Yeah, I got that… now :) But apparently somehow Pearl Harbor is still FDR’s fault and 9/11 is Bush’s fault.
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 11:06 PM
and the attack and hostage of the US embassy is Carter’s fault and the attack on the maribne barracks in Beruit was Reagan’s fault. and the defeat in Veitnam was LBJ’s and nixion’s fault.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:12 PM
It’s a huge mistake for any of us to assume that the chief executive can be our savior (remember that, Obamatron supporters), and Bush had his successes and failures. Clinton had one success, a bullseye on Monica’s chin and dress.
Hell, even Nixon did better than that.
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 11:12 PM
would the GOP be so quick to absolve Al Gore of culpability if 9/11 had happened under his watch? like with Bristol Palin’s bastard bundle of joy, the GOP only gives a pass to their own….
Noneya on December 30, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Of course!!!!!!!
Sept. 11 was the fault of terrorists. I think it’s absolutely stupid to blame anybody else but the evil doers.
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 11:10 PM
I agree the country will be attacked. however both FDr and Bush had plenty of warning of a possible attack. They both choose to ignore the warnings. But it is telling that it took 60 years before anyone had the balls to attack us again at home after pearl harbor.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM
even if he ignored the security briefings like W. did?
Noneya on December 30, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Hell, even Nixon did better than that.
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 11:12 PM
agree again. Clinton was a disgrace.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:18 PM
It’s not whether it would have happened on his watch, it would be his response that would be the tell. And we saw that time and time again during BJ’s administration. Gore was so busy ramping up his global warming charade, he wouldn’t let anything derail it. His response to 9/11 would have been as lame as his former boss’s. Except maybe he could have gotten a hotter chick to go down on him.
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 11:18 PM
One reason the Military Services have trouble operating jointly is that they don’t speak the same language. For example, if you told Navy personnel to “secure a building,” they would turn off the lights and lock the doors. The Army would occupy the building so no one could enter. Marines would assault the building, capture it, and defend it with suppressive fire and close combat. The Air Force, on the other hand, would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy.
Murphy9 on December 30, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Unless the security briefings gave a time and place then yes I would still absolve. What do you think I am, heartless?
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 11:20 PM
would the GOP be so quick to absolve Al Gore of culpability if 9/11 had happened under his watch? like with Bristol Palin’s bastard bundle of joy, the GOP only gives a pass to their own….
Noneya on December 30, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Agree about Al gore but do not about Bristol. The GOP did not give Bristol a psss because she was a rep they gave her a pss because she stood up and took responsibility for the child and because the father did the same. Mistakes happen but when one takes responsibilities for those mistakes alot can be forgiven. Bush never once took responsibility for the attacks. never once asked one member of his team to take responsibility. Never once. Never.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:21 PM
It must be tough to always hate the group of people you choose to talk to.
Esthier on December 30, 2008 at 11:21 PM
The people who “knocked down these buildings” were ISLAMIC TERRORISTS, Mr. President.
It ain’t no “religion of peace“.
And never was.
profitsbeard on December 30, 2008 at 11:24 PM
breaking news:
Iranian anti-riot policemen stand guard outside the British embassy in northern Tehran as a petrol bomb explodes during a protest gathering to condemn the Israeli attacks on Gaza, December 30, 2008. (REUTERS/Stringer (IRAN)
The students stormed the British Consulate in Tehran!
They replaced the British flag with the Palestinian banner
by gatewaypundit
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM
It’s very easy for us to point fingers and say, “see, they ignored the warnings!” We have the benefit of seeing it wrapped up like a Christmas package. They didn’t. We suspected the Japanese were up to something, but didn’t get the intel in time. In the case of 9/11, there were so many walls put up that I’m amazed that we found out as quickly as we did about who was responsible.
Who’s responsible for 9/11? Clinton. Hands down. He had many chances to do something about Al Q and bin Laden, and chose to do nothing because he was a fraidy cat. I don’t think Bush “knew” as much as we think he did. The intel was do disseminated to make much sense from where he was standing. Up above the fray, and after the fact, it’s easy for us.
And if we had figured it out, and pinched the 19 darlings, you can imagine the screaming of liberals and their handlers over at CAIR.
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Ah, I see that you are developing a sense of humor.
Sarah Palin – too inexperienced.
Rich and UselessPrincess CarolineSchlossbergKennedy – plenty of experience.MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 11:27 PM
fogw -
Thanks for fisking the VF piece. Seems they have way too much “vanity” and way too little “fair” in their hit piece.
unseen –
In eight years, Bush had more bad things thrust upon his administration than any other modern president.
I agree with you about the spending – what got me was the Medicare Part D that was added even though the existing Medicare program was financially in trouble. There were also far more disasters that cost major $$ than just Katrina. The Department of Homeland Security was a brand new, large organization which wasn’t inexpensive. Add the TSA and their equipment too.
I also dislike the government financial rescue corp (the bailout bunch) that was set up or the lack of oversight of it, but my understanding is that in exchange for the funds, the US government is getting stock – no free lunch is provided, and eventually the stock will be sold and the proceeds returned to the Treasury. It’s ugly, but the alternatives of economic collapse were uglier.
Fact is the USA is not purely capitalist and hasn’t been since the early 20th century. Our system is more or less a hybrid of capitalism and socialism, and over time thanks to presidents like Wilson, FDR and Lyndon Johnson has become more socialist.
The question I have is how come our government (both Democratic and Republicans administrations) allowed companies to get so big that our government couldn’t let them fail? If they’re that big, shouldn’t the government break them up into smaller companies because of antitrust issues?
BTW, your blaming of Bush for 9/11 is inconsistent with the report as published by the Commission. While that report whitewashed the Clinton administration’s role, in particular Jamie Gorelick’s separation of intelligence, ultimately 9/11 occurred because of poor intel, inability and unwillingness to share intel across agencies and other systemic issues. In short, it was a broken system, which nobody understood was broken, which failed to detect and stop 9/11.
Beyond that, I can’t agree with anything else you said. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of support for your position here.
ing them up
Clinton’s eight years was probably the most uneventful, although the seeds for several of the problems Bush encounters were sown in the Clinton administration.
Dr. Bob on December 30, 2008 at 11:29 PM
He never diverted responsibility away from where it was due.
It’s not as though he then went about his business, pretending it never happened as we did in ’93.
Esthier on December 30, 2008 at 11:29 PM
It’s not really breaking news. Notice the time on the article:
4:25 p.m. EST.
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Like with Bristol Palin’s bastard bundle of joy,
the GOP only gives a pass to their own…
Noneya on Dec 30,2008 at 11:14PM.
Noneya: You sure have a lot of HATE for Governor Sarah
Palin’s family!
And,the kind of remarks and language your using
is fit for the KOS website!
And,giving a pass to the GOP,you have been follow
ing Blagojevich soap opera,right!
Or every other Liberal who refused to resign!
canopfor on December 30, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Noneya, your anger and sadness make my heart hurt.
thomasaur on December 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Take responsibility for mass murdering terrorists?
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Thank you, President Bush for keeping us safe and never making us re-live the horror of September 11, 2001 on your watch.
I didn’t always agree with you and I sometimes cursed you, but you kept your word. You protected us from terrorists.
….Now, about that SOUTHERN BORDER and those wrongly jailed U.S. Border Patrol Agents, Sir…..
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:33 PM
It’s the first I’ve heard of it, though.
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 11:33 PM
IF Al Gore was president during 9/11, you’d be sniffing some guy’s feet on a prayer rug and I would be wearing a burka and praying for a quick death for being born a woman.
And as far as ‘Cuda’s grandson, you should be so lucky to be born to such a great family, crackhead.
…..And, about that whole GOP “Get Out Of Jail Free Card” I give you Teddy “the swimmer” Kennedy. He allowed a girl to die while he schleped back to his compound. The only good news is that he will meet his fate very soon.
Not to mention Chris Dodd, Mortgage Master, Barney Frank, Whore Master……See a pattern, crackhead?
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:38 PM
I don’t hold Bush responsible for 9/11 and don’t think he should have resigned, (though in hindsight we’d have been better off with Cheney, I think), but while he may not have been aware of the 9/11 attack specifically, it’s not like people, including myself, were unaware of the threat posed by Bin Laden prior to 9/11.
9/11 may have occurred early in Bush’s administration, but he still had time to take action against Al Qaeda and failed even to make a start in that direction.
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 11:38 PM
LOVE IT, Dread. Reminds me of my Dad’s 11th Cav. rules….Thanks for the giggle.
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Step away from the bong, Rock. :)
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Don’t forget Kleagle Byrd…
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Can you be more specific?
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Beyond that, I can’t agree with anything else you said. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of support for your position here.
Dr. Bob on December 30, 2008 at 11:29 PM
give it time people will understand in the years to come what a failure Bush really was. The spending was his biggest mistake. The dept of homeland security and TSa are jokes passed onto the americian people in exchange for our government not taking responsibility for the failure to defend the country.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:42 PM
…about where you disagree… that is. :)
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 11:42 PM
No, just messing with you, Rock.
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Those are the Air Force Officer rules. The enlisted rules are much simpler:
1. Salute pilot as he takes off, while saying “Please don’t scratch the paint on my plane, sir!”
rmgraha on December 30, 2008 at 11:43 PM
I blame Clinton and the humidor…..Should have been paying attention.
Planning attacks takes time….this planning happened on Clinton’s watch.
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:44 PM
There’s no doubt that Clinton had far more time and opportunity to take action against Al Qaeda and the Taliban than Bush did.
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 11:46 PM
blame Clinton and the humidor…..Should have been paying attention.
Planning attacks takes time….this planning happened on Clinton’s watch.
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I blame all 535 people in elected office at the time Clinton and his entire cabinet, Bush 1 and his new world order and Carter and his failure with iran I also cast some blame on reagan’s response to the beruit bombing.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:48 PM
My point was that Bush still had some time to make up for Clinton’s mistakes and didn’t do so. But like I said, I don’t blame him for 9/11, only for not preparing sooner.
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Well my world has been rocked tonight. Apparently FDR and GWB are huge failures because the Japanese, terrorists (respectively) decide to kill Americans on American soil. How did I miss that one?
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 11:48 PM
That’s right. :)
baldilocks on December 30, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Of course it changed him. It changed us all. As well it should. We were all living in a fantasy-land before 9/11. We needed to change. The only people who object to the change are the people who want to return to life in the fantasy.
gridlock2 on December 30, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Arguing with fools only makes you look foolish, so I’ll leave you two to fluff each other.
thomasaur on December 30, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Dept. of Homeland Security is an overbloated sack of dogsh*t. It just gives the agents MORE PAPERWORK and MORE BOSSES.
They need to quarter it up again and allow these guys to do their JOBS!
This was a BAD idea.
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:52 PM
“unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:48 PM”
so, yer perfect, everyone else sucks, have i got it?
/some people’s backseat driving children …
Buckaroo on December 30, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Laura Bush will be proven correct. History will vindicate Mr. Bush.
SouthernGent on December 30, 2008 at 11:53 PM
That’s what got us into this mess in the first place-Bubba and the walking, talking humidor.
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:54 PM
We all changed. Many of us knew someone or ourselves worked on those floors that came crashing down. No excuses though… he he was a dreadful leader… go out and shop???? we could have harnessed the American public, instead it turned into a partisan thing. Later W… glad you are going soon. Wish you had resigned a long time ago when you should have.
lexhamfox on December 30, 2008 at 11:54 PM
So, we should have had Al Gore as president. They only good thing that would’ve done is that we could blame everything on Gore….no, see above text about burkas and prayer rugs.
He kept us safe. Hindsight it twenty twenty and I fear for the future under Puff Puff Give the Magic….
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Sooner? or at all?
Noneya on December 30, 2008 at 11:56 PM
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:56 PM
I don’t blame Bush for the attack. I blame him for the aftermath.
lexhamfox on December 30, 2008 at 11:58 PM
So you resign from the debate without having refuting a single point I’ve made, then?
Score +1 for me!
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 11:58 PM
No attacks on American Soil for the last eight years?
Yeah, I blame Bush for that too.
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Sooner, as in before 9/11. Are you arguing that he hasn’t prepared post 9/11?
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 11:59 PM
more likely, history will see the photo of Bush pinning a medal on George Tenet and say “wtf? how did these men keep their jobs let alone get re-elected and a medal of freedom (respectively)?”
Noneya on December 31, 2008 at 12:00 AM
“Noneya on December 31, 2008 at 12:00 AM”
“bds. worst case on hot air i evah seen – and that’s sayin’ sumtin!”
Buckaroo on December 31, 2008 at 12:01 AM
No attacks on American Soil for the last eight years?
Yeah, I blame Bush for that too.
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:59 PM
It’s been 7 years and yes I give him credit for that. but that does not change the fact that 9/11 happened on his watch. Clinton set the stage and bush failed to destroy that stage and build anew.
unseen on December 31, 2008 at 12:02 AM
From what I’ve read on Noneya- bds, pms, hell, KOS Syndrome of the WORST KIND.
HornetSting on December 31, 2008 at 12:03 AM
More better….
BigWyo on December 31, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Oh, my, I cant WAIT to hear the critiques for the tool that 52% of this country chose.
It should be amusing.
irongrampa on December 31, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Excuse me, seven years. And yes, Bush had a whole eight months to clean up the mess that Clinton left on the terrorism front. Hell, Bush was probably still trying to clean up the stains on his desk when we were attacked.
Clinton had many changes to make it right, but he was too busy getting a hummer from the humidor.
Don’t forget, Gorlick and her wall against agencies sharing information. Thanks to her, the right leg didn’t know that the left leg was still up their collective asses when we were attacked.
There are many factors that went into 9/11, but a lot of planning during the Clinton years helped it come to fruition.
HornetSting on December 31, 2008 at 12:07 AM
so, yer perfect, everyone else sucks, have i got it?
/some people’s backseat driving children …
Buckaroo on December 30, 2008 at 11:53 PM
no but I also was not in a postion of power to stop the attack either. I will say that if I was an elected leader on 9/12 I would have resigned in disgrace. we need to bring back personal responibility to government. From spending our money to protecting our borders. The americian people need to place blame where it is due. Take this finacial crisis. who do we blame? the dems fro fannie mae and freddie mac? bush for his spending $6 trillion in 6 years. Bush’s lack of vetos? Or do we blame wall street for selling crap to everyone or do we blame the homeowner that fudged the numbers to get the loan for the bigger house? All had blame and yet we hold no one accountable.
Look at Madoff. The man should be shot in the street and left with the rest of the garbage. The CEO’s of Merril Lynch, bank of america, Chase, citibank should be living in poverty now or in jail for their failures. The elected officails that have allows an invasion of illegals into this country should be fired at the leaset and tried for treason.
unseen on December 31, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Changes=chances….change change change, can’t get it out of my mind for some reason.
HornetSting on December 31, 2008 at 12:08 AM
2 types of vessels in the Navy..Submarines and Targets….
BigWyo on December 31, 2008 at 12:09 AM
HornetSting on December 31, 2008 at 12:07 AM
yes agreed yet you can do alot in 8 months if you put your mind to it. The fact was the Bush admin in those forst 8 months had bigger things or at least they thought then some terrorists in a far away land
Like I said I blame Clinton Bush 1 and Bush 2 Reagan and carter. Reagan the least. Clinton the most but Bush 2 a close second then carter and bush 1. All helped set the stage. All allowed the terro to grow because of geoploitcal realities. all were wrong.
unseen on December 31, 2008 at 12:12 AM
“unseen on December 31, 2008 at 12:08 AM”
sooo, so far you hate the following:
elected officials
businessmen
wealthy philanthropists
/going on a limb here that this is just the start of said list …
Buckaroo on December 31, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Are you a leftist? Cause they are the only ones in the last 8 years who have made serving in the military the standard one must pass to comment on the politics of this nation.
Furthermore I will argue or debate or mock anyone who decides to defend George Bush regarding his beliefs regarding Radical Islam. This is the same President to stood with NOT ONE but two terrorists in the days after 9/11 telling us all that Islam is the religion of peace. Gddamn fool of a man.
George Bush has destroyed what was left of the free market in this country. He had grown a debt so large that my great great grandchildren will still be paying it off.
Exactly what has he done that you think is so great?
PierreLegrand on December 31, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Apparently, you were never in SAC.
Johan Klaus on December 31, 2008 at 12:12 AM
“PierreLegrand on December 31, 2008 at 12:12 AM”
hm, maybe noenya doesn’t yet have the lock for worst case of bds just yet …
Buckaroo on December 31, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Bush Stole the Election!
9/11…dude, glad Bush is President.
Bush Stole the Election!
Bush Lied About WMD!
Bush Caused a Racist Hurricane!
Liberal Media: Destroy Him!
captconrad on December 31, 2008 at 12:16 AM
HornetSting on December 30, 2008 at 11:59 PM
How many serious attempts have been scrambled? There have been some lame nooby conspiracies to be sure but the fact is they haven’t tried anything serious or meaningful. Good thing too because our basic security still sucks.
Like I said.. I don’t blame Bush for the attack. When the first Gulf War was being planned it was a core policy that troops should not remain in Saudi Arabia after Kuwait was liberated. People knew that there would be a backlash about that and made it a cornerstone of the policy but the follow on policymakers couldn’t help themselves. Also, Clinton was derelict with his lame attempt to root out those groups who he knew were planning an attack on the US. Absolutely. But Bush’s leadership has been lame. Everyone knows it. From the moment he said ‘crusade’ to the moment he told everyone to go out and shop. He kept Rumsfeld far too long and thought taking out Saddam would be a blow to Osama and handed Iran a huge gift. It was manna from heaven for AQ and we are only now starting to get it right.
He thought we could do Iraq on the cheap… it has cost us dearly in terms of treasure, lives, and equipment. The AEI guys got it badly wrong and we haven’t even started [aying for it.
Yeah. Limited to playing Steel Beasts now.
lexhamfox on December 31, 2008 at 12:17 AM
I wore the uniform with PRIDE, yet when I see these young men and women serving today, I feel humbled.
It would be an honor beyond measure to wear it again with these people.
irongrampa on December 31, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Buckaroo on December 31, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Sooo i guess wanting people to man up and take responsibility for thier mistakes and failures in now equated with hate. Next I guess judges will be slapped with a hate crime when they sentence criminals to jail.
unseen on December 31, 2008 at 12:19 AM
” Next I guess judges will be slapped with a hate crime when they sentence criminals to jail.”
that’s pretty much what happens in the f’d up world you and your ilk have foisted upon us with the “feeling” that no politician is good enough and you instead get us statist freaks like duh1 …
Buckaroo on December 31, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Again, more better…
Too bad you waste all your time amazing all of us with your plainly superior governmental/leadership skills as opposed to holding a position where you could apply such astounding after-the-fact, in depth analysis/criticism.
W00t!!
I know I’ll feel better if you stop being a Toilet Bug posting inane hor$hi# comments on the internet and take up the mantle of government office.
Lead us O wise one.
BigWyo on December 31, 2008 at 12:21 AM
I think Mumbai proved that you don’t really need a huge plan. A few guns, some willing and angry crazies, and away we go.
If ONE American is killed on US soil, that is ONE too many.
Soft targets such as hotels, schools, malls would be devastating, no matter how big or how “newbie” the accomplices were.
HornetSting on December 31, 2008 at 12:24 AM
I do have to say that if the newest occupant of the White House conducts himself with a fraction of the honesty and integrity Bush has shown it’ll be a miracle.
irongrampa on December 31, 2008 at 12:25 AM
The buck stops with the president, agreed.
BUT, Bush bashing has become a national sport. I don’t want to be lumped in with a bunch of asshats that just don’t appreciate the job.
HornetSting on December 31, 2008 at 12:26 AM
HornetSting on December 31, 2008 at 12:24 AM
The perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks were extremely well trained and drilled. Nothing like that has been attempted in the US thank God.
lexhamfox on December 31, 2008 at 12:27 AM
that’s pretty much what happens in the f’d up world you and your ilk have foisted upon us with the “feeling” that no politician is good enough and you instead get us statist freaks like duh1 …
Buckaroo on December 31, 2008 at 12:21 AM
WTF are you talking about? My ilk? my “feelings”? i deal with facts not feelings. The fact is that the federal gov is broken that most of the 535 people in the federal gov are part of the problem because they no longer follow the consitution and the shackles that that document placed on them. They have failed to protect us, they have failed to spend our money wisely, they have failed to continue the prosperity of are previous genration, they have failed to respect our borders and our soveigntiy. They have failed to ensure our freedoms. In short I can not think of one thing those 535 people have done in the last 20 years that has been good for the country. The gov screws up everything it touches. Man 230 years understood that. We our regressing not evolving when it comes to political thought in this country.
unseen on December 31, 2008 at 12:27 AM
The buck stops with the president. Agreed.
But, Bush bashing has become a national sport and I don’t want to be lumped together with a bunch of asshats that don’t appreciate what the job entails.
HornetSting on December 31, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Dissing the USAF makes for cheap jokes, but a lot more happens with the USAF than you might imagine. It’s just in really, really bad taste.
Inter-service jokes are best left to those who serve. Or who HAVE served. That is all.
Signed,
A proud USAF veteran.
wccawa on December 31, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Lead us O wise one.
BigWyo on December 31, 2008 at 12:21 AM
idiot.
unseen on December 31, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Well I can solve the mystery for you and in just one word – Kerry.
MB4 on December 31, 2008 at 12:28 AM
I am in awe of them and what they have to contend with compared to my tours.
lexhamfox on December 31, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Oooo..cut me to the bone there…
BigWyo on December 31, 2008 at 12:29 AM
HornetSting on December 31, 2008 at 12:24 AM
that depends if they are in a no gun zone or not. Attacks like those in Utah mall were cut short because of conceal carry while those like VA tech were allowed to proceed to their hoorofiy conclusion because no one was allowed to protect themselves.
unseen on December 31, 2008 at 12:30 AM
There’s a lot to be said about keeping us safe from an enemy. There’s even more to be said for defeating the enemy. We’ve only just begun this WOT, and at the rate we’re going there are still decades ahead of us while our enemies are busily working toward nukes and other WMD’s.
If the future holds in store that our numerous enemies will wait patiently on the sidelines until our victory in the WOT is complete, then Bush will be a remembered fondly in history. However, history reveals that it’s far more likely that, as terrorists gain access to more powerful weapons, our other enemies will seek to take advantage of any opportunities the terrorists create for them. If that’s the case then history will remember Bush as the man who dithered while our enemies planned and prepared.
Only time will tell.
FloatingRock on December 31, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Oooo..cut me to the bone there…
BigWyo on December 31, 2008 at 12:29 AM
About as intelligent and thought provoking as your post.
unseen on December 31, 2008 at 12:31 AM
updated
FloatingRock on December 31, 2008 at 12:31 AM
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