Quote of the day
posted at 9:31 pm on December 30, 2008 by Allahpundit
“The real change in the president, in my opinion, didn’t actually happen until that Friday, when he traveled to New York. The situation on Tuesday was so—you really didn’t have time to reflect. In New York, the range of emotions that he went through—standing on the rubble, the bullhorn moment, but just as important, when he sat there in that room in private and met with those people who were still trying to learn the whereabouts of their loved ones, and hugging them, and where he got the badge.
He always gets asked, Have you changed?, and he instinctively recoils at that kind of question. But when something like this happens on your watch, there’s no way it can’t change you. It can’t not change your worldview—and it obviously changed his in a way that has been controversial for a lot of people.”
Blowback
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No-one else is gonna say it?
Okay.
Condi looked hot in that photograph.
Damian G. on December 30, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Huh?
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 9:35 PM
History will hopefully be kinder to the man that what people give him today. I have my criticisms of the man to be sure but it’s no where near the sheer rage and hate that so many have for him and literally want to put him on trial over every perceived error and fault.
Yakko77 on December 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Hmmm…to each his own.
jgapinoy on December 30, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Would have been nice if it had changed him enough for him to realize that the teachings of Islam are the problem and not just some wayward few hijacking a Great Religion of Peace.
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 9:41 PM
MB4
You are correct…Islam is Evil…it is sad that the “intellectuals” and apologists can’t see this…they will..and it will be very bad for us all.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 9:43 PM
I have to admit,I do like that picture!
The picture looks all business like!
As in,were a bit pissed,who’s ever
responsible,is going to get it,and
get it real good!!
canopfor on December 30, 2008 at 9:46 PM
While I disagree with a million issues ~ most assuredly the decision to go into Iraq, less mind the miserable job done of prosecuting said adventure once committed ~ I truly believe that he has a good, GOOD heart and will be remembered for the tremendous things accomplished in humanity’s name. As well as a fairer reading of the incredible, horrific events this guy faced shortly after taking office. But we kept rebounding vibrantly from every challenge thrown our way.
Once time clears the hateful derangement mist from history’s pages, he’ll emerge flawed, but human. And I think cooler, rational minds down the line will acknowledge accomplishments lost in this generation’s overheated hyperbole.
But that day, in that place? I thanked God he was our President.
tree hugging sister on December 30, 2008 at 9:48 PM
I disagreed with a LOT of Bush’s more liberal domestic policies, but the man has stood strong for all of us in the war. I think that day changed all of us.
BadMojo on December 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Our home prays for George Bush and we are thankful for his leadership. Soon we will pray for the country and will be thankful if the One can find a platform to lead from; a platform that does not lead the country away from where we all came from.
ericdijon on December 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Its going to be an interesting time for the media over the next couple of years now that President Bush is leaving office. With the Democrats in control of Congress, The Senate, and the White House anytime something goes wrong the Media wont have Bush and the Republicans to blame it on anymore. Although I suspect they will certainly try, at least for the next 6 to 12 months. Either way I wonder how long it will be before the media gets bored with kissing Obama’s ass and decides to take a bite out of it instead?
Dreadnought223 on December 30, 2008 at 9:53 PM
History will hopefully be kinder to the man that what people give him today
Yakko77 on December 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM
For the life of me i can not understand this worldview of legacy. I mean bush has been talking about his legacy since 2004. Now people are talking about history treating him kindly. Let’s face it if Bush would have been more worried about the present, he would not be hoping that the future will treat him better than the present.
Bush is a failure and will always be remembered as such like Hoover. yes he freed millions of people in far off lands and he kept us safe. Yet at the same time he destroyed capitalism in the USA. the same capitalism that in itself freed 100′s of millions from the chains of poverty. and during the same 8 years He expanded the power and reach of the federal government at home taking freedoms like local school control away. He increased the federal debt by $6 trillion making him the biggest spender in the history of the USA. He also destroyed the republician party giving the dems total control over all levers of power in the capital cementing the power grab of the federal government.
I say to bush don’t let the door hit you in the as* on the way out. Obama will not be any better maybe worse but until we strip the power of the federal government again and shackle the beast we will never again know prosperity. Bush was there when the music died and he held the gun that did the deed.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 9:54 PM
It is amazing how much younger Prez. Bush looks in the VF photo. The Presidency does age a man does it not?
HawaiiLwyr on December 30, 2008 at 9:56 PM
God bless President George W. Bush. I will always love and respect President George W. Bush for keeping our nation safe and keeping us on offense.
History should recognize the President’s actions were noble, wise, and appropriate.
I am beyond amazed at how people so soon forget what happened in that melancholic and disastrous day in our history.
Palin’s line in the Republican National Convention is telling about Obama:
“Al-Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America. And he’s worried someone won’t read them their rights.”
When 9/11 occurred, did any one of us (except extreme liberals) wondered how we should treat captured terrorists?!
The MSM and liberals, in conjunction have done some kind of job in brainwashing people to care about treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo.
jencab on December 30, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Project much? Bush has NEVER talked about his legacy. Never made plans in regards to it.
Bush is not a failure. But the American public has been proven that it will suck down kool-aid faster than a kid on a hot summer’s day.
Skywise on December 30, 2008 at 9:58 PM
If the liberals and the media (any difference?) knew the REAL story, they would be hammering the Congress and the President-Elect to exterminate radical Islam. I guess ignorance is bliss.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 9:59 PM
All you need to know. Sooner, or later, it will happen here too, by necessity to sustain our civilization. Much of this time will be understood much later, for good, or for bad, depending on which side you’re on.
Entelechy on December 30, 2008 at 10:03 PM
All of us that care about this country, yes. But not all of us friend, Code Pink, DKos, Bill Maher fans for instance to name a very few. I’m not in lock step with President Bush on everything, but I do love his stance that terrorism attacks are an act of WAR and will be responded to as such. He made the right call on that. We are all going to have to witness once again, that reasoning with extremists is a waste of time over the next four years.
Hog Wild on December 30, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Ok, first you call him a failure and then dismiss freeing millions. In want warped world is “freeing millions” and keeping people safe a failure? Wow. If that is failure then I should probably never become a mother. Because my number one priority is going to keep that child safe and secure but apparently that’s not enough. I can still be considered a failure.
Oh please. We are still a capitalistic economy. That’s not going to change.
Yes that happens when you are paying for wars and reconstruction after natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina.
President Bush didn’t give Dems control over Congress. The American people did. If you don’t like that then vote. It’s nobodies fault but the American people.
Oh please. We are still a prosperous country. Why don’t you ask the thousands (or millions?) of people waiting in line so they can become an American citizen if we are prosperous? They will probably laugh at the silly question.
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Entelechy…the Dutch get it..when does America get it?
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Thank you, George Bush, for taking the fight to the enemy. You did the right thing. The clueless, Lemming Left will never wake up to reality.
FreeThinkerNYC on December 30, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Skywise on December 30, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Bush never talked about his legacy? read much?
Bush is a failure. He failed to keep the country save before 9/11. he failed to clean house of those responsible for missing 9/11. He spent this country into the ground. He is respondible for the $700???? billion bailout to the bankers and wall street while the rest of the country is in a deflationary death spiral. He needed 5 years to defeat a country the size of CA when FDR and Truman (for all their faults) conquered the entire world in 4 years. Bush had a chance to redefine the federal government to be smaller, more capitalistic and instead sold it off to the CEO’s. bush destoryed the concept of borders and allowed the biggest peacful invasion to occur under his watch in not just american history but in human history.
Bush’s failures are numerous wide and deep. Afganistian is STILL not under control after 6 years. Do you get how utter of a military failure that is?
the federal government is broke, the national banks are insolvent under his watch. The stock market had its worse year since 1931 under his watch, the government grew 40% under his watch. Corruption soared under his watch in washington and in New York. He never defended conservative positions of smaller government once in his terms. He borrowed and cut taxes but never cut the size of government. He did the easy things and left the heavy lifting to the next guy.
In short bush threw the entire consitution out the window.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 10:12 PM
becoming president is a practice of egoism in my opinion…the difference being whether you are humbled by the power you attain or are consumed by it.
Our president did the bed he could…I don’t think the next will.
tomas on December 30, 2008 at 10:13 PM
unseen…wow…six whole years…
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:13 PM
unseen on December 30
It is a week man that blames stupid shit like that on the pres. he did his best with enemies all around.
tomas on December 30, 2008 at 10:16 PM
unseen
you have no clue how the military works, how campaigns are fought and wars are won.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:16 PM
tomas
Concur…these nay-sayers have never been near a war…they have no clue.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Yeah, more than you.
Show me a quote from 2004 where he talks about his legacy.
Go on… I’ll be here.
Skywise on December 30, 2008 at 10:18 PM
C’mon liberals…talk about war…love to hear your thoughts…
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM
To be fair, Its not as though he went out of his way to deliberately try and wreck the capitalist system. The seeds of the current financial disaster were sown many years ago before he even took office and it was corperate greed and mismanagement along with the corruption of the Democrats that allowed it to happen.
Admittedly the way he responded to the financial crisis when it occurred could have been a hell of a lot better but capitalism is not dead yet and just like in the past it will recover and be stronger than ever. Youve just got to have a little faith and see the glass as being half full.
Dreadnought223 on December 30, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Nothing will change until the west grasps that Muslims themselves only respect strength and despise weakness. Of course that goes against our Christian upbringing and that’s why we continue to think that we can win hearts and minds among Muslims with compassion.
The opposite is the case. Their hearts and minds are with the victorious – that’s what Allah tells them. Their ethics in terms of which they order their hearts and minds – are nothing like what westerners, raised in the Christian faith, understand by the term “hearts and minds”.
Islam does not teach the same sort of compassion for the other that virtually every other religion including today’s “secular humanism” teaches. Muslims murder and torture each other without compunction and their own ummah, “brotherhood” has no condemnation to offer. That’s because they don’t value INDIVIDUAL human life the way we Christian westerners do. It’s not a concept in Islam – which means it’s not a concept in Muslims “hearts and minds”. Their hearts and minds instead understand what Allah teaches them in the Koran – namely, the Collective Will to Power.
When will our leaders understand this? And moreover understand that it is necessary in the end to be “cruel to be kind”, to treat Muslims in the way they themselves understand moral principles? Which ultimately means that they must be beaten back and vanquished and humiliated by a greater strength?
That is clearly what they understand. Every move to win their hearts and minds that strengthens them, merely emboldens them to advance their own peculiar ethics of the world, which couldn’t give a damn about “hearts and minds”, as we understand the term. They will accept the shehada from anyone they can swindle and connive to recite it while at the same time are willing to kill anyone who leaves Islam. Whatever it takes to build the army of Islamic soldiers is what their ethics is about.
But how is it being kind to people to pander to their immaturity and self-deception and base impulses towards power?
Certainly no mature human being would suggest that one should pander to the primitive intellectual, emotional and moral sensibilities of a two-year old? A 2-year old understands the will to power through aggression only. But by the same token a 2-year old also thoroughly understands limitations that he simply has no power to transgress. That’s ultimately what a 2-year old understands.
And that’s basically what we’re dealing with here – 2-year olds – from an intellectual perspective, from a moral perspective, and mostly from a behavioral perspective -except it happens to be 2 year olds armed with AK-47′s (weapons they could never have invented for themselves, being 2-year olds, but the fact is that now they’ve got their hands on them!).
There is no way of avoiding the reality that the adults in this world are going to have to act like adults and step up and slap – in a big big way – Muslims who have made of their own societies the equivalent of “Lord of the Flies” and who now threaten to overrun every more advanced society with their mayhem.
“It’s cruel to be kind” is going to have to be the anthem of the future relations between the West and Islam. We’re going to have to come to terms with that fact. Either that – or it’s simply going to be cruel for all of us, with no kindness in sight, and possibly no one left to come and rescue us off an Island from hell that in our passivity and cowardice we allowed to be taken over by moral and intellectual pygmies with very, very big guns.
- Caroline (not the, you know, Royal stupid one who wants to be anointed into the Senate (House of Lords), but the smart one from JihadWatch)
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Farewell to All That.An Oral History of the Bush White House
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The threat of 9/11 ignored.The Threat of Iraq hyped and manipulated.Guantanamo and Abu Ghriab.Hurricane Katrina.
The shredding of civil liberties.The rise of Iran.Global
warming.Economic disaster.How did one two-term presidency
go so wrong?A sweeping draft of history-distilled from
scores of interviews-offers fresh insight into the roles of
George W. Bush,Dick Cheney,and other key players.
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WTF?
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The threat of 9/11 ignored!—-#3 times by the Clinton Adm.
The threat of Irag,hyped and Manip.–All liberals,and world
intelligence came to the same conclusuion.
Guantanamo–Carry a weapon on the field of battle,your a
combatant!
Abu Ghriab–Well,a tad unfortunate,but a least it wasn’t
Saddam torture cells,or being strung up on the bridge,or
having your head cut off,and your family,watching it on the
ever helpful You-Tube!
Hurricane Katrina–How the hell was that Bush’s fault,umm
how about the Mayor Nagen,or the useless whining Governor
whats her name have the buck stop at their desks!
The rise of ‘Death to Great Satan-America,well Libs and the
MSM bitched about,’Bush isn’t going to start another War’,
and Hopey/Changey said that Iran was ‘TINY’!
Global warming–Thanks Al gore for scaring the hell out of the World,and ‘Its the Sun Stupid’!
Economic disaster–Carter,Clintons,Janet Reno,Barney’Banking
Queen’Franks,Dodd,well,that was another glorious 50 years of
failed Social Engineering,now the world pays!
How did a (ONE) two-term presidency go so wrong–Well,I thin
k the ‘(ONE) is some form of play on words!
-distilled from scores of interviews–Oh ya,like the ever
helpful Charlie Gibson or Perky Katie Couric’s viewpoint!
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There,I think I covered it!:)
canopfor on December 30, 2008 at 10:21 PM
You my friend are an idiot.
BadMojo on December 30, 2008 at 10:21 PM
BadMojo…concur my friend
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM
I’m so glad the internet wasn’t around during WWII!
I can just hear internet commenters now:
FDR is a failure!!! FDR failed to destroy the USSR (even though he got rid of Nazi Germany)! And look we still have so many social reforms (civil rights) we need to work on home and FDR is sending troops GERMANY!!! Why?
FDR WORST PREZ EVAH!!!
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Question. Has ANYONE on this blog ever served?
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Oh please. We are still a capitalistic economy. That’s not going to change.
we are that’s news to me. Capitalism is not what is being practiced at the moment. If we were a capitalistic economy citibank. JP morgan and chase, bank of America would all be gone. GM and Ford and Chrysler would be in court filing chapter 11. GMAC would be a think of the past. No we are far far from a capitalistic society.
Yes that happens when you are paying for wars and reconstruction after natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina.
Katrina and the wars came no where near $6 Trillion. The federal revs grew by $1 trillion and spending increased by more. The federal gov grew by 40% under bush the rep the man that ran under the rep banner of smaller gov.
President Bush didn’t give Dems control over Congress. The American people did. If you don’t like that then vote. It’s nobodies fault but the American people.
Live in denial all you want but the AMerica people are still conservative and still believe in smaller gov. If bush would have governed under what he campaigned for the reps would still be in control. Bush destroyed the rep party simple fact.
Oh please. We are still a prosperous country. Why don’t you ask the thousands (or millions?) of people waiting in line so they can become an American citizen if we are prosperous? They will probably laugh at the silly question.
this correction is not over yet. It has a long long way to go. Bush has set the stage for the biggest economic destruction in modern history he has given the opening for bigger gov and Obama will use that to expand the power and reach of the federal gov to heights unseen before.
As far as keeping us safe? Last time I looked 9/11 was on his watch notice how no one took responsibility for allowing that attack to occur but they sure took credit for not letting another occur. Seems kind of like picking your accomplishments doesn’t it. Bush should have resigned on 9/12 for allowing the largest attack on American soil to occur in our history. If not him he should have demaned the resignations of the heads of the CIA, FBI, Joint Chiefs, and the NSA.
Bush was and will always be a failure.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 10:25 PM
George of course has a number of behind the curtain positives that he deserves praise for just like the huge number of underhanded Clinton and Obama negatives they are and will be responsible for.
The history issue is about the way FDR is remembered as compared to Ronald Reagan, I hope history will be truthful for Pres. Bush but the thought of what future textbooks will say is painful.
Speakup on December 30, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Entelechy @ 10:03
Thanks for that link. The response will be something to watch for.
BL@KBIRD on December 30, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Define served.
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Let’s see who’s wrong here.
The threat of 9/11 ignored. Oh, you mean how the lack of interaction and communication between the intelligence agencies, brought about by Gorelick’s wall, let the actions of a few maniacs slip through the cracks. How is that Bush’s fault? Clinton and Albright watched as terrorists hit us time after time, at home and abroad and didn’t do a damn thing. Give us a friggin break Vanity Fair.
The threat of Iraq hyped and manipulated. Again, how was that Bush’s fault. He relied on the intelligence gathered by the CIA, the same intelligence that led to the House and Senate suppporting him in the Iraq War. How soon we forget, Vanity Fair.
Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib. President Bush treated the terrorists like terrorists. Big Effin Deal. And a few military misfits misbehave and the MSM painted every soldier like they were the children of Satan, while the MSM sympathized with the enemy. FU Vanity Fair.
Hurricane Katrina. Bush had control of the weather and destroyed New Orleans, right? That’s laughable. He tried to clean up the mess brought on by the dumbass politicians running the show in Louisianna, who left empty buses sitting idly by while NO’s residents tried to walk to safety in a town 15 feet below sea level, and, who failed to call up the National Guard or ask for help from the feds, EVEN THOUGH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WARNED THEM THEY THEY WERE ABOUT TO BE SMACKED, REAL HARD, BY KATRINA. You’re not even close Vanity Fair.
The shredding of civil liberties. When did that happen? Liars at Vanity Fair, making up stories like the rest of the MSM. Will they get their panties in a bunch when Obama forces their children to sign-up for peacetime service? Have we not been safe for eight years because of the Bush administration’s watchful eye on the actions of potential terrorists at home and abroad?
The rise of Iran. When did that happen? Who have they invaded? Are they destroying us with their expanding economy or they’re military might? Wake up Vanity Fair, the Iranian people are sick of Ahmie and wonder why they can’t get petrol in their home towns to heat their houses and fuel their cars. Wrong again Vanity Fair. Just because the UN and Columbia University adore this dope, it doesn’t give him any cred at all.
Global warming. Yeah, we know …. Bush’s Fault. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Idiots at Vanity Fair.
Economic disaster. Companies that spend more than they make, banks forced to make unpayable loans by Democrat social engineering, unions sucking the lifeblood out of the automakers while manufacturing inferior product, investment firms flat-out stealing from their investors, cooking the books, spending lavish amounts on retreats and junkets. That darn Bush, look what he has wrought upon us. What are you drinking over there at Vanity Fair?
I’ve got to get a pair of the moonbat glasses worn by the “jounalists” at Vanity Fair. You know, those I hate America glasses, where you can clearly see that EVERYTHING is Bush’s fault.
Stick it where the sun doesn’t shine, Vanity Fair.
fogw on December 30, 2008 at 10:26 PM
unseen
Do you think the fanatical Islamo-fascist thought up the attack on 9/10? Or were they enabled by the Democrats (Clinton)? Reality is a bitch.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:27 PM
USN 1988-2005.
BadMojo on December 30, 2008 at 10:27 PM
BadMojo..thank you for your service.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Go on… I’ll be here.
Skywise on December 30, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Bush: Well, first of all I think a president’s legacy is going to take time. We’ve accomplished a lot in my administration. Like No Child Left Behind; 52 months of uninterrupted job growth; PEPFAR, which is the AIDS initiative in Africa; fighting malaria, where there’s poverty; faith based; I mean there a lot that people will be able to judge this administration on.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 10:28 PM
MB4
Fought for your country…how else would you define it?
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Well I disconcur. Mostly anyway.
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 10:29 PM
You my friend are an idiot.
BadMojo on December 30, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Still changes nothing and bush is a failure.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 10:29 PM
It’s a moving target.
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM
MB4 you “disconcur”..OK…what have you done for this great Nation?
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM
MB4
Not a moving target…did you swear to defend this country and the Constitution of the US with your life? Pretty clear to me.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Bah! Thank the kids over there this time, they’re the ones doing the hard work.
BadMojo on December 30, 2008 at 10:31 PM
How did Bush allow 911 to happen? What a joke. Yes a President can stop attacks but that does not mean that if one occurs that he allowed it. Simplistic thinking.
As they say we have to be right every time and the enemy only has to be right once.
Jamson64 on December 30, 2008 at 10:31 PM
FDR WORST PREZ EVAH!!!
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 10:23 PM
FDR was oner of the worse presidents ever. If the internet would have been around in 1932 there would have been no way FDR would have won 4 times.
the only good thing FDr did was allow his genrals to fight the war how they saw fit. Trusting in IKE and Patton and Macauther were his greatest accomplishments.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 10:31 PM
BadMojo…yes WE are doing the hard work, but you signed up for the same thing.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Oh how nice… You found a quote from 12/14/2008…
abcnews
Got anything from 2004… like you claimed?
Skywise on December 30, 2008 at 10:33 PM
That picture reminds me kinda of The Sopranos….in a good way.
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 10:34 PM
The U.S.S.R II?
History repeats itself, first as tragedy with Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin, and then as farce with George W. Bush reprising the role of Karl Marx and Barack H. Obama set to reprise the role of Vladimir Lenin?
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Ummmm… remember that fella named Osama bin Laden?
benny shakar on December 30, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Then a salute to you my friend! Keep safe!
“There’s nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer.”
BadMojo on December 30, 2008 at 10:37 PM
First, it has to get pretty dark, unfortunately. Love your spirit in the comments. Kill them tanks :)
It’s a political necessity over there. When it will be one here, they’ll change.
fogw, you took the time and did the job I intended to do, instinctively, but gave up on. Those who know, do, and the others are simply blind, deaf, and dumb, but happy. Ignorance is indeed bliss, and love is blind. Best to you and family,
Entelechy on December 30, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Is there anyone that would like to debate the extermination of radical Islam? Or is this a President Bush bashing session? Anyone…crickets…
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Admittedly the way he responded to the financial crisis when it occurred could have been a hell of a lot better but capitalism is not dead yet and just like in the past it will recover and be stronger than ever. Youve just got to have a little faith and see the glass as being half full.
Dreadnought223 on December 30, 2008 at 10:20 PM
agree somewhat. Bush was not the only player butit happened under his watch. He could have been different he could have used the veto during his fisrt 6 years. He could have allowed GM and Ford to fail. Bush believes in big government. He just thinks reps are better managers of big government than dems. It was abnd is big government that is destroying capitalism and until the federal gov is shackled capitalism will never be what it once was in this country.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 10:39 PM
“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71)
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I’ll debate, I’ll take the position that we should NOT exterminate Islam. And here is my reasoning…we need to keep at least one pair alive in the zoo, so future generations can see what they are.
BadMojo on December 30, 2008 at 10:40 PM
That quote was from December 14 of this year. Do you have one from 2004 (that is not connected with campaigning for re-election)?
Y-not on December 30, 2008 at 10:40 PM
MB4
So, explain the “moving target” comment…dumbass fighter pilot here…sorry
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:41 PM
FDR is not one of the worst presidents. He was economic liberal that’s for sure. But the primary role for the federal government is national security. And WWII was definitely a case of national security, if there was one, and FDR was good leader during those times. Did FDR make mistakes? Yes. Did America make mistakes during this time period? Yes. However, the did the overall good outweigh the bad? Yes, and that’s what matters.
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Ooops! Sorry, I see you’re on the case Skywise.
Y-not on December 30, 2008 at 10:41 PM
He served, as you do, tank_killer69.
I’m on your side, and I’ll watch you fight the weaklings. I’m curious what the lefties will do to tame them.
Entelechy on December 30, 2008 at 10:42 PM
BadMojo
Thank you…I concur…2 of the radical Islamo-fascist scum in a heavily defended zoo…NEVER let people forget what these psychos are about
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:42 PM
You must be writing about Clinton;)
Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2008 at 10:43 PM
I’ve got a pretty sweet digital camera. We’ll just take some pictures for the future and eliminate the chance of them breeding.
thomasaur on December 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Ὄμνυμι Ἀπόλλωνα ἰητρὸν, καὶ Ἀσκληπιὸν, καὶ Ὑγείαν, καὶ Πανάκειαν, καὶ θεοὺς πάντας τε καὶ πάσας, ἵστορας ποιεύμενος, ἐπιτελέα ποιήσειν κατὰ δύναμιν καὶ κρίσιν ἐμὴν ὅρκον τόνδε καὶ ξυγγραφὴν τήνδε.
Ἡγήσασθαι μὲν τὸν διδάξαντά με τὴν τέχνην ταύτην ἴσα γενέτῃσιν ἐμοῖσι, καὶ βίου κοινώσασθαι, καὶ χρεῶν χρηίζοντι μετάδοσιν ποιήσασθαι, καὶ γένος τὸ ἐξ ωὐτέου ἀδελφοῖς ἴσον ἐπικρινέειν ἄῤῥεσι, καὶ διδάξειν τὴν τέχνην ταύτην, ἢν χρηίζωσι μανθάνειν, ἄνευ μισθοῦ καὶ ξυγγραφῆς, παραγγελίης τε καὶ ἀκροήσιος καὶ τῆς λοιπῆς ἁπάσης μαθήσιος μετάδοσιν ποιήσασθαι υἱοῖσί τε ἐμοῖσι, καὶ τοῖσι τοῦ ἐμὲ διδάξαντος, καὶ μαθηταῖσι συγγεγραμμένοισί τε καὶ ὡρκισμένοις νόμῳ ἰητρικῷ, ἄλλῳ δὲ οὐδενί.
Διαιτήμασί τε χρήσομαι ἐπ’ ὠφελείῃ καμνόντων κατὰ δύναμιν καὶ κρίσιν ἐμὴν, ἐπὶ δηλήσει δὲ καὶ ἀδικίῃ εἴρξειν.
Οὐ δώσω δὲ οὐδὲ φάρμακον οὐδενὶ αἰτηθεὶς θανάσιμον, οὐδὲ ὑφηγήσομαι ξυμβουλίην τοιήνδε. Ὁμοίως δὲ οὐδὲ γυναικὶ πεσσὸν φθόριον δώσω. Ἁγνῶς δὲ καὶ ὁσίως διατηρήσω βίον τὸν ἐμὸν καὶ τέχνην τὴν ἐμήν.
Οὐ τεμέω δὲ οὐδὲ μὴν λιθιῶντας, ἐκχωρήσω δὲ ἐργάτῃσιν ἀνδράσι πρήξιος τῆσδε.
Ἐς οἰκίας δὲ ὁκόσας ἂν ἐσίω, ἐσελεύσομαι ἐπ’ ὠφελείῃ καμνόντων, ἐκτὸς ἐὼν πάσης ἀδικίης ἑκουσίης καὶ φθορίης, τῆς τε ἄλλης καὶ ἀφροδισίων ἔργων ἐπί τε γυναικείων σωμάτων καὶ ἀνδρῴων, ἐλευθέρων τε καὶ δούλων.
Ἃ δ’ ἂν ἐν θεραπείῃ ἢ ἴδω, ἢ ἀκούσω, ἢ καὶ ἄνευ θεραπηίης κατὰ βίον ἀνθρώπων, ἃ μὴ χρή ποτε ἐκλαλέεσθαι ἔξω, σιγήσομαι, ἄῤῥητα ἡγεύμενος εἶναι τὰ τοιαῦτα.
Ὅρκον μὲν οὖν μοι τόνδε ἐπιτελέα ποιέοντι, καὶ μὴ ξυγχέοντι, εἴη ἐπαύρασθαι καὶ βίου καὶ τέχνης δοξαζομένῳ παρὰ πᾶσιν ἀνθρώποις ἐς τὸν αἰεὶ χρόνον. παραβαίνοντι δὲ καὶ ἐπιορκοῦντι, τἀναντία τουτέων.
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Entelechy
They are NOT weaklings…witness HAMAS and Iran. This is a very serious issue that has the future of the world in its’ hands.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM
The only remarkable positive Bush will be remembered for is the WOT, and he didn’t even carry that very far—instead taking the slow road based on the false assumption that we have all the time int the world to deal with the problem. He can be forgiven this much, IMO, because the enemy within apposed him at nearly every turn, but in most other regards he is a dismal failure.
I agree with Unseen that Bush has been the bane of capitalism. It’s indisputable. Democrats may have been chiefly to blame for the current economic turmoil but, aside from a few exceptions, the Republican Party and Bush also share the blame.
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 10:45 PM
The problem with vanity fair, is that even there, the sun shines. Yes, it’s that big…and wide.
john1schn on December 30, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Dude, I’m sorry, I’ll try and use smaller words from now on, I didn’t realize you were a pilot. ;)
Remember O.F.F. does not mean On Full Force!
BadMojo on December 30, 2008 at 10:46 PM
MB4
I don’t understand the post? Is that a language? Remember who you are conversing with…dumbass fighter pilot…dumb it down and in English please.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I can`t get over how young W looked back then. Yet changes looks exactly the same.
ThePrez on December 30, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.
- Pope Urban II
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 10:46 PM
History repeats itself, first as tragedy with Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin, and then as farce with George W. Bush reprising the role of Karl Marx and Barack H. Obama set to reprise the role of Vladimir Lenin?
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 10:36 PM
What is funny is we do not even have to go across the oceans to find a historical time of what is happening here. Think hoover and FDR. Hoover tried to save capitalism with socialism which led straight to a depression which FDR used to increase his power and the power of the federal gov that we are still living with to this day. Bush is doing the same thing Hoover did with the same results and Obama will do the same thing FDR did with the same results.
You can really blame the bailouts on FDR if not for FDIC and unemployment insurance there is a good chance the gov would not have passed the bailouts. the gov was/is on the hook for trillions if the banks go under because of FDIC. If GM and F go under the government will have to pay unemployment isurance to approx 3 million workers at just $500.00/week for 26 weeks that comes to 39,000,000,000 billion. thus just by the numbers it is cheaper for the gov to bailout GM and Ford than have them fail and pay the workers unemployment. ADd in the increase cost of medicaid, food stamps etc and it becomes plain to see why the federal gov had to bailout the auto companies. Just like the banks.
That is what happens when you try to bring security to capitalism.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 10:46 PM
ThePrez on December 30, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Hmmmmmm
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I’m with you E. and t_k thank you for what you do for me and mine. When you want some quiet time you’re welcome at my place any time.
thomasaur on December 30, 2008 at 10:48 PM
And to you and yours, Entelechy.
fogw on December 30, 2008 at 10:48 PM
MB4
I stand corrected…there is no suck thing as a “moderate Muslim”.
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:48 PM
suck=such…sorry
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:49 PM
They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
If you should see him, please do give a yell!
That demmed elusive OBL
They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere
Oh, Binny, how the Special Ops do implore you
Simply to come out from your cave or from under your bed
With all your hiding
It’s a chore to smash your #unkin head!
They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere!
He gives the Special Ops nothing but frustration
Sink me! He’s a spoilsport
Each and every demmed capture
He cuts short
They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
Is he in Pakistani or even in Dearbornstani?
One thing we know for sure
Hes going to burn in Hell!
PercyB on December 30, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Hotair fans
Thanks for the discussion…hitting the Hay. Have a grear day tomorrow in this Great Country!!!!!!
v/r
Gpig
tank_killer69 on December 30, 2008 at 10:52 PM
You’re new here, or I haven’t seen you until now – I call them that to mock them. Yes, I understand what you’re saying, but anyone who kills 14 kids, for ex., yesterday in Afghanistan, walking home from school, needs to be mocked.
I’ll watch you fight the lefties here, definitely weaklings. They only come out from lurking when it’s time to bash GWB or Sarah Palin, or to defend their Prince, your next
CommanderCipher in Chief. When one of theirs in in any kind of mess, they hide, comfortably. Our side hardly ever defends scum.Glad you’re here, and there. I have “slipped the surly bonds of earth” myself but you guys are the best.
Be nice to MB4. He’s got his differences with Iraq, but fights more than us against radical Islam. However, have no mercy on the lefties. They are the real weasels.
Entelechy on December 30, 2008 at 10:52 PM
FDR is not one of the worst presidents. He was economic liberal that’s for sure. But the primary role for the federal government is national security. And WWII was definitely a case of national security, if there was one, and FDR was good leader during those times. Did FDR make mistakes? Yes. Did America make mistakes during this time period? Yes. However, the did the overall good outweigh the bad? Yes, and that’s what matters.
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 10:41 PM
FDR like Bush did not protect this country and had the country attacked under his watch. FDr expanded the power of the federal gov, confiscated gold, interned Americans in camps without due process. FDR tried to pack the supreme court, he like Bush did everything he could to get aroubnd the consitution when it did not suit him. FDR’s policies are still being felt today and the present economy crisis can be directly liked to the polices put in place by FDR. My paycheck is having 15% of it taking away every pay because of FDR. FDR started income withholding which takes thousands of dollars away from people every week and gives the federal gov interest free loans for a year.
FDR’s good did not outweight the BAD. just like Bush’s good will never outweight the BAD he did.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 10:54 PM
There are two kinds of men on the battlefield. The quick and the dead.
MB4 on December 30, 2008 at 10:54 PM
tank_killer69, one of the weakest of all the lefties here is one benny shakar. Keep an eye on him, and watch your back so you can keep us all safe, including benny, so he can spew more nonsense, freely. Rest well,
Entelechy on December 30, 2008 at 10:55 PM
If Bush is such a great president and this issue is so important to you, why didn’t Bush start the debate? That’s what good presidents do; they lead.
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 10:58 PM
If the enemy is in range, so are you.
Don’t look conspicuous, it draws fire, which irritates everyone around you.
If the sergeant can see you, so can the enemy.
Murphy9 on December 30, 2008 at 10:58 PM
How does one argue with that kind of logic? Really?
Fine, unseen. There was no attacks on U.S. soil during Jimmah Carter’s years in office. So I guess that makes him the best EVAH!
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 11:00 PM
If Bush is such a great president and this issue is so important to you, why didn’t Bush start the debate? That’s what good presidents do; they lead.
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 10:58 PM
good point. Every time bush tried too he wilted under press pressure.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Fine, unseen. There was no attacks on U.S. soil during Jimmah Carter’s years in office. So I guess that makes him the best EVAH!
terryannonline on December 30, 2008 at 11:00 PM
The Us embassy in Iran was attacked. It was considered US soil thus Carter did have an attack on US soil. You made the case that Bush kept us safe over the last 7 years and that FDR fought WW2 and thus were good presidents. I am simple saying they failed to keep us safe during 1941 and 2001. If they get the credit for keeping us safe then they also must take the scorn for failing to protect us also.
unseen on December 30, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Worse, he lied about the nature of Islam, repeating his mantra about the, “religion of peace”, a million times.
FloatingRock on December 30, 2008 at 11:04 PM
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