Hamas gets its war
posted at 10:15 am on December 27, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The patience of the Israelis reached its end today. After taking more that 200 missile attacks in the past week, the IDF attacked every known Hamas security station in Gaza today, killing hundreds and wounding hundreds more. Gazans pledged resistance to any ground invasion, but Israel has not yet indicated when — or if — one will come:
Israeli warplanes retaliating for rocket fire from the Gaza Strip pounded dozens of security compounds across the Hamas-ruled territory in unprecedented waves of airstrikes Saturday, killing at least 155 and wounding more than 310 in the single bloodiest day of fighting in recent memory.
Hamas said all of its security installations were hit and responded with several medium-range Grad rockets at Israel, reaching deeper than in the past. One Israeli was killed and at least four people were wounded.
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said “the operation will last as long as necessary,” but it was not clear if it would be coupled with a ground offensive. Asked if Hamas political leaders might be targeted next, military spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich said, “Any Hamas target is a target.” …
But with 200 mortars and rockets raining down on Israel since the truce expired a week ago, and 3,000 since the beginning of the year, according to the military’s count, pressure had been mounting in Israel for the military to crush the gunmen.
Hamas made it clear last week that they wanted war. They announced the end of the so-called truce, although as the 16th paragraph in this report finally makes clear, Hamas and other affiliated groups had never stopped attacking Israel. They want to provoke a wider war and hope to get Egypt involved. The Egyptians opened the border to provide emergency medical care to the wounded and condemned the attack, but have not broken diplomatic relations with Israel yet over the attack.
The world should step aside and quit interfering in the war Hamas so desperately wants and will desperately lose if left to their own devices. As long as Hamas controls Gaza, a state of war exists, and cease-fires do nothing to advance peace, as this year has proven yet again. Tiresome calls for “restraint” don’t work when one side is determined to have war. The best way to resolve this conflict is to allow Hamas to have its war and get utterly crushed by Israel or overthrown by Gazans to avoid that unavoidable conclusion.
Hamas insists on a war of annihilation and won’t accept any other solution. Let them have it.
Update: Meanwhile, Fox needs a new headline writer, according to HA reader Roger B:
No mention of the 200+ rocket attacks Hamas conducted on Israel over the past week, or at least some hint in the headlines of the context of Israel’s response? Surely they can do better than that.
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Airstrikes make the Israeli people feel good–something is being done to pay back the terrorists. However, “feel good” air strikes do not help unless they precede or support “boots on the ground” invasion.
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After a generation of racist brainwashing there are no longer any innocents in Gaza–just more future terrorists. A total jihad ground invasion is needed–with summary execution of any terrorists or fighters. Think of the fall of Nazi Germany or our Civil War ending with Sherman’s total devastation march to the sea through the South.
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Peace follows victory–it does not precede it. Sock it to the terrorists. Close off all escape routes first. No quarter–solve the problem once and for all.
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John Bibb
rocketman on December 27, 2008 at 1:03 PM
DEBKAfile Special Report
December 27, 2008, 7:33 PM (GMT+02:00)
Israeli bombers hit Hamas’ film center in southern Gaza Saturday night, Dec. 27, after massive air raids destroyed Hamas compounds across the enclave leaving 205 killed, 330 injured and thousands of shock victims. The operation followed a week in which Hamas fired 200 missiles at Israeli civilian targets.
The Israeli Air Force planes struck Hamas security headquarters in Gaza City and compounds, police stations and ports. Several Hamas commanders were killed in the bombardment of a Hamas military passing-out ceremony. Among them was Hamas police chief Tawfiq Jabber.
The Israeli military spokesman said the Gaza operation is “just beginning” and would be expanded and intensified as necessary.
MB4 on December 27, 2008 at 1:07 PM
FoxNEWS is now at least as bad as CNN when it comes to misreporting events like this.
I turned to CNN early this morning and saw their report on Israel attacking Gaza. It took at least 5 minutes into the reporting that I viewed to hear CNN mention that Gaza had launched any missiles previous to Israel striking back. When they mentioned the Palestinian launched missiles they kept the number down to 200 and downplayed the “truce” that was really only “words” and not formal enough apparently for CNN.
TheMightyQuinn on December 27, 2008 at 1:10 PM
I hear both sides about Gaza and Left Bank. One is that the ordinary people who live there support the militant groups, whether through fear or genuine feeling. Then I hear that they do not and that they’d like to get back to the business of life. Used to hear the same about Northern Ireland and the IRA and I always wondered, still do, where the truth lies and lay.
jeanie on December 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM
200 Hamas members killed – big deal.
There are 300,000 Hamas “activists” in Gaza and 1.5 million aiders and abetters. According to Bush doctrine they should all be killed to get meaningful results.
Aristotle on December 27, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Israel needs to annex a strip a few miles deep into northern Gaza. ANNEX – never, ever, ever to be negotiated over at all. And if the rockets don’t stop, then Israel needs to annex a few miles more. All attacks by arabs must be met with Israeli annexations of land. These temporary strikes in reaction do nothing of any great significance, since Israel is never willing to kill enough Palestinians to actually make a difference. Land must be taken .. and taken off the table. Period.
progressoverpeace on December 27, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Fox News is just barely better than CNN on a good day – and if Israel’s fighting, nobody in the press thinks it’s a good day.
The amount of slander and libel Israel has endured is mind-boggling. Think about being the one kid in school with no friends that every clique wants to target – that’s Israel.
They’ve shown perhaps too much patience with the fools that surround them. And every damned article on the subject should start with the 3000 missile attacks from Hamas, if only because the MSM hardly EVER brings the subject up – missile attacks every damned day, and they say nothing. Retaliate once, and it’s NEWS TIME!
You’d have to assume that the MSM is full of anti-semites or something.
Merovign on December 27, 2008 at 1:24 PM
To the Israelis: GOOD HUNTING!
Bubba Redneck on December 27, 2008 at 1:32 PM
And Condi Rice needs to shut the hell up. We all know how stupid she is. She doesn’t need to provide any more proof of that. What a turd she is.
progressoverpeace on December 27, 2008 at 1:34 PM
You ask if FOX and other media “…can do better than that” in terms of their reporting of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Well, no they can’t, and no they never will. The reason is is that to them, though largely unstated, the Joos are the sons of apes and pigs. That is why they cannot do better than they do.
AntonK on December 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM
How long before The One calls on the country that endured over 200 attacks to exercise restraint?
Ronnie on December 27, 2008 at 1:48 PM
The leftwing press also fails to report that Sderot is home to many African Israelis (Jews) and thus the pfakistinians are conducting a racist campaign by targeting black Israelis by their missiles. I wonder how many leftwing jews and socialists are ok with caucassian arabs attempting to murder people of color (Africans) living in Israel?
eaglewingz08 on December 27, 2008 at 1:58 PM
This seems to come down to one thing “success”. Israel is attacked by the media and others because they expertly killed a lot of people, and Hamas fires rocket after Iranian rocket and doens’t kill a lot of people.
I guess, once they are really good at it the world will get behind Israel.
I hope the worlds # isn’t too high.
tomas on December 27, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Agreed. She is a joke who received her position for no reason other than her race.
Xolom on December 27, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Not that Hillary Rotten Clinton will be any better.
Xolom on December 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Very true. We won’t even notice the difference at State after the changeover. But, then, State has almost always been filled with and run by retards, so I guess we’re just keeping with tradition.
progressoverpeace on December 27, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Perhaps the elctricity is still off in Hawaii?
katiejane on December 27, 2008 at 2:18 PM
elctricity + electricity
katiejane on December 27, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Iran has been playing coy about whether they will participate in any Gaza operation. If ever there was a move Iran could make to precipitate an Israeli attack on their nuclear installations, that would be it.
Though some will never acknowledge it, Hamas has given Israel all the justification it needs for this attack by rejecting offers to extend the cease fire–the one Hamas never really followed anyway.
The US will support a limited attack, but I wonder how far this administration will allow its support to go. I hope that the US does not hold Israel back from inflicting mortal damage on Hamas.
BryanS on December 27, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Someone needs to point out the obvious – there’s a big difference between genocide directed against an innocent and harmless minority and genocide directed against a unified and cohesive group that will never rest until either you or they are destroyed. Israel should pull the stopper out of the bottle.
Venusian Visitor on December 27, 2008 at 2:29 PM
It’s the sad testamony to Bushs’ State department (sans Bolton), that the transition from Rice to Clinton will be seamless.
Bigger rats in the same sewer.
jjshaka on December 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM
“Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war.”
The Palestinian Arabs have shown what they intend to do with any land concessions. Gaza, once a thriving community of greenhouses and commerce has been reduced to a bombed out war zone good for nothing but launching attacks against the Arabs’ chief benefactors. Israel provides most of the food, medicine and energy to the Arabs. Israel should cease all support and demand that the Arab countries shoulder the burden of this monster that they, themselves, have created. The United States should do the same.
drewas on December 27, 2008 at 3:00 PM
The conflict isn’t 60 years old; it began when islam was invented by big Moe.
Key West Reader on December 27, 2008 at 3:10 PM
This has been my own thought as well. Every successive offense loses another meter or kilometer of territory, until the barbarians have pushed their own selves into the sea or some other poetic self-made oblivion.
To guard against cries of simple land-grabbing motivations, the newly confiscated security zones need to be completely salted, made an inhospitable wasteland, good only for separating the innocent from the barbarians, and for providing an innocent-free killing zone when the bad guys come calling.
God Bless Israel.
Maquis on December 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM
It sounds like justifiable Hamas-cide to me.
Zardoz on December 27, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Hamas-cide is always justified. :)
Maquis on December 27, 2008 at 3:37 PM
if 200 bombs fell in the us from mexico how long would it take the us gov to respond? RESTRAINT? RESTRAINT FROM WHOM?
pearl harbor thru 911 tells anyone what will happen.
a nation has the right and obligation to protect its citizens
i just do not care hwo isreal became a state nation the fact is that it does exist.
if any body attacts any one else the victim has the right to defence.
TomLawler on December 27, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Well, right now he’s enjoying everyone’s favorite Hanukkah/Christmas getaway — Africa — where he can’t be reached by the media, so they say.
Nichevo on December 27, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Enough is enough with the constant attacks against Israel.
I hope they ignore the UN and the media and do what they have to do to secure their nation.
We would.
My problem is that I think this will cause problems in Iraq for us.
I see the Sadarist and other forces using this to fuel anti-Americanism,putting Maliki in between a rock and a hard place by supporting Americans(who support Israel)but needing to show the independence to support Arabs(who don’t support Israel).Possibly effecting the elections in the summer.
If there is one thing that brings Arabs together,it’s their hate for Israel.
Could get even worse if the Pakistan/India situation leads to an armed conflict also.We are already losing Pakistans help with the border in Afghanistan(what little help it is).
We have books,movies,coins,and just about every talking head telling us how great Obama is.
Looks like we are going to find out real soon if this blind admiration is legitimate.
Baxter Greene on December 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Hardheaded people I guess, present company excluded.
When will they ever freakin learn? Its like a video that plays over and over.
johnnyU on December 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM
If America is to have any hope of winning the war with the Mad Mullahs and their Islambies*, we need a lot more people in our armed forces to face the cold hard facts and take this attitude.
Oh yeah – and do something about the media. We didn’t put up with traitorous nonsense from the Third Estate during WW2.
Islam zombies
Dark-Star on December 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM
About. Damn. Time! They should have done this before the first Hamas missile hit the ground. Then repeat for each new attack. Soon the Palestupidians will either get the message and stop the attacks, or will cease to exist as a people. I’ve come to realize that I can live with either result.
rmgraha on December 27, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Oh, I think the UN should be disbanded. It is nothing but a big money pit. It has done nothing to decrease the number of wars fought in the world.
Isn’t Israel forcibly stopping food and medicine from reaching the Gaza strip? And haven’t they been doing that for a couple of months now?
I think we should just stay the heck out of it. Those people just enjoy poking each other with sticks.
If God thinks the Jews belong in Israel, let him pay for their defense.
angelat0763 on December 27, 2008 at 4:23 PM
And Condi Rice needs to shut the hell up. We all know how stupid she is. She doesn’t need to provide any more proof of that. What a turd she is.
progressoverpeace on December 27, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Agreed. She is a joke who received her position for no reason other than her race.
Xolom on December 27, 2008 at 2:09 PM
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What the hell happened to Condi?
Used to have a lot of respect for her… then she got State. What is it about that place that causes good, smart people to go totally batshit crazy?
(and how will it affect Hillary?
Mew
acat on December 27, 2008 at 4:44 PM
I think the UN’s corruption and appeasement of terrorist and dictators has actually increased armed conflict around the world.
This back and forth game with Iran,EU,and the UN has done nothing but give Ahmadinejad the time and cover he needed to have a bomb by next year.
This almost ensures an armed conflict between Israel and Iran or it’s proxies.
The Putin’s,Ahmadinejad’s,Mugabe’s,Saddam’s and many others can count on the UN to obstruct any real reform or action taken that would make a difference.
Besides handing out food,the only thing the UN has brought to other nations is pedophilia and rape.
Baxter Greene on December 27, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Has Obama come out yet to condemn the violence and tell both sides to stop being so mean and nasty with each other?
Sign of the Dollar on December 27, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Won’t happen, the part about Gazans overthrowing. They are so brainwashed and taught to hate Jews from the cradle. Their day will come but painfully God has pronounced “Jacobs troubles” first. Zechariah 12–read it.
I saw where Javier, what’s his face, the EU “Foreign Minister” asked for an immediate cease fire on Israel’s part. I emailed his office to mention I had not seen any such statement from the EU about Hamas stopping their rocket attacks all year long. The EU will get their’s too.
wepeople on December 27, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Go Israel. This time…Do it right.
Handel on December 27, 2008 at 5:36 PM
I hope Obama received a brain transplant while the lights were out in Ohahu.
riggword on December 27, 2008 at 5:56 PM
…………… indeed, let them have what they ask for.
By the way, the world is a little short on cash right now to fund ‘ya Hamas………. we’ll catch ‘ya later.
Seven Percent Solution on December 27, 2008 at 6:00 PM
HaHaHaHaHa!!!!
That’s right.
Oil between 35 and 40 a barrel.
Economic crunch from Asia to America.
What’s a terrorist to do.
Poor homicidal maniacs!!
Baxter Greene on December 27, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Nothing will change until the world starts taking the advice several of us proffered at Captain’s Quarters years ago. We need to start fighting the war on terror from the top down not the bottom up. We need to remove the leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Syria et al all on the same night if possible with cruise missiles. They have to be personally held responsible for their murder and mayhem. Whoever replaces them has to meet the same fate until the criminal enterprises they run are ended. After that we bitch slap Saudi princes about their Wahhabist financing. Schools and mosques funded by these folks get closed.
If that doesn’t work, then and only then, start working down the food chain. It worked with Qaddafi, it it will work with these cretins. If nothing else we won’t have to suffer the outrage of heinous killers being feted at the UN on their yearly shopping trips.
Not until we start clipping the leaders will we be serious about this war.
patrick neid on December 27, 2008 at 6:40 PM
What on earth did Hamas think they would gain with starting the attacks? And why the heck is the Arab world mad at Israel? Hamas started it, and Arabs didn’t care until Israel began DEFENDING itself. Arabs seem to lack rational thinking skillz.
jediwebdude on December 27, 2008 at 6:49 PM
No I think not. Make the entire Gaza Strip a Muslim cemetery. Forever to be inhabited only by dead Muslims.
meci on December 27, 2008 at 7:01 PM
To be fair, it’s the war I want as well.
It’s Hamas that we are talking about. Give War a Chance.
Summer on December 27, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Now, if the Israelis will keep going until they kill every damn one of those Hamas animals we’ll have a good start and only about.999 billion more potential Islamo-Terrorists to go!
Keep going Israel…please finish the damn job we won’t do!
jwp1964 on December 27, 2008 at 7:19 PM
You just wrote Arab and rational in the same sentence…ROFLMAO!
jwp1964 on December 27, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Hoping Israel will finish the job this time and end all that crap with Hamas…will W. have enough left in him to do what’s right and stand by one of the best and most solid friends we have in the world? If not we’re in much worse shape than I’ve been hoping for.
oldernslower on December 27, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Hamas is getting what they want and deserve after
firing rockets and repeated mortar attacks into
innocent civilian population of Israel!
And all terrorist roads lead to IRAN!!
canopfor on December 27, 2008 at 8:08 PM
They don’t. It just so happens that to them it’s only a tragedy when a muslim gets killed. If a jew gets killed they don’t care.
Nice job you racist tool. Maybe one of axelrod’s astroturfers (assuming you’re not one) can take a screenshot of your post and send it to CNN so we can get a nice “conservatives are racist” headline tomorrow. Retard.
Darth Executor on December 27, 2008 at 8:20 PM
I hope & pray Israel will ignore the rest of the world’s politics of corruption, and take care of their people this time. Forget Bush, Rice, Obama, and the rest of the American politicians, as they have proven to be swayed by world opinion rather than history and common sense when it comes to defending Israel.
Take care of this business now Israel, kicking this can further down the road will only lead to your destruction.
Keemo on December 27, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Darth Executor on December 27, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Do you actually know anybody here at HA that gives a rats ass what CNN has to say about Conservatives? CNN rakes us every time even if they have to invent the data…
Keemo on December 27, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Hey Darth I think you know what I mean when I say F you!
When will the world consider these arab/islamo fascists racists/religionists since they seem to want to kill anyone not of their faith???
Did I mention F You!
jwp1964 on December 27, 2008 at 8:30 PM
I can’t believe how many homocidal lunatics there are on this site…
200+ innocent civilians are dead due to israeli terrorism and you maniacs are sitting there hoping that they will wipe out another 1.5 million.
You’re all a bunch of sick maniacs.
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 8:50 PM
200+ innocent civilians are dead due to israeli terrorism and you maniacs are sitting there hoping that they will wipe out another 1.5 million.
You’re all a bunch of sick maniacs.
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 8:50 PM
You are damn straight! I hope they do away with more of them too! You probably wouldn’t mind the US being invaded by scum that Israel has to put up with. If you are not a US citizen, then who cares. If you are a US citizen then you are not seeing the possibilities that could be in America. So if I am a maniac then that is fine with me. You must be a sniveling Liberal!
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 9:00 PM
You seem to think defending one’s self is wrong…I’m glad are society is not entirely composed of Beta males like you…we’d have been extinct long ago!
Using the term Israeli terrorism to describe self defense is ridiculous. You my friend are either a bleeding heart pacifist who believes violence should never occur even while the enemy savagely kills innocents on a daily basis or you’re another Islamo-terror supporter.
You’re the maniac. I shudder to think our folks in uniform put themselves at risk for the likes of you!
jwp1964 on December 27, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Yeah, you’re also in the anti-semite fvck the Jews camp too.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 27, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Go get ‘em, Israel.
Y-not on December 27, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Seek Help.
Itchee Dryback on December 27, 2008 at 9:12 PM
It’s not self defense. It’s terrorism.
They are killing innocent civilians outside of the legal conventions of war.
Why are you defending terrorists and then condemning others for the same thing?
Kind of hypocritical don’t you think?
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Is there a full moon tonight?
OldEnglish on December 27, 2008 at 9:16 PM
It’s so sad to see how many of you are homicidal pychopaths who support murder and genocide of innocent children.
It’s also so sad to see how many of you are just brainless sheep who believe whatever the media tells you and would gladly murder innocent civilians if the media tells you to.
What is the world coming to?
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 9:18 PM
No, we don’t support the murder of innocents. That’s why we want Hamas gone!
OldEnglish on December 27, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Not that many civilians killed, apparently… even according to the Palestinians:
Last time I checked, Hamas did not follow any conventions of war. Save your angst for people who deserve it.
Y-not on December 27, 2008 at 9:27 PM
What an idiotic statement..
How could you possibly compare this country with them?
First of all we didn’t just take over a fully inhabited country 60 years ago and systematically begin killing off the inhabitants in a deliberate genocide..
Yes I am a U.S. citzen but unlike you I actually look at the facts before coming to a conclusion and unlike you I don’t support the genocide of innocent children.
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 9:28 PM
You are the only person making idiotic statements.
I’ve changed my mind…I am absolutely positive you are a Islamo-Facist Troll. Where were you when Hamas was randomly tossing rockets (2000 this year) into civilian targets in Israel?
Hamas has never read the Geneva Conventions or any other international law regarding warfare. Their targets are always innocents…the Israelis try to get Hamas, but since they shield themselves with women and children there is some collateral damage…tough doodoo for the palis!
Go Israel! Finish the F’in job!!!!!!
jwp1964 on December 27, 2008 at 9:37 PM
ummm…please seek help?
Itchee Dryback on December 27, 2008 at 9:38 PM
It’s not self defense. It’s terrorism.
They are killing innocent civilians outside of the legal conventions of war.
Why are you defending terrorists and then condemning others for the same thing?
Kind of hypocritical don’t you think?
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 9:13 PM
You make no sense. Hamas has broken the cease fire agreement. Hamas has been pelting rockets on Israel for a few days. Is apparent you don’t watch the news, or you are just a anti Jewish person. It is not terrorism. It is self defense. I hope they keep going until Hamas is wiped out! Screw what our Politicians think and you.
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 9:42 PM
What an idiotic statement..
How could you possibly compare this country with them?
First of all we didn’t just take over a fully inhabited country 60 years ago and systematically begin killing off the inhabitants in a deliberate genocide..
Yes I am a U.S. citzen but unlike you I actually look at the facts before coming to a conclusion and unlike you I don’t support the genocide of innocent children.
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Look who the fu*k is going to be running our Country dip sh*t! Look at the scum anti fruits that are zombie robot kool aid drinkers in the US. Look at their attitude. Just like yours. Pathetic. Bet you couldn’t fight your way out of a paper bag. War is war dummy. Innocents do get killed. If they love their children so much. There are other places to live. They don’t care. Those kids see so much violence every day. It is self taught to them idiot!
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 9:45 PM
The point is, they were there before they took over the country 60 years ago! Why should they leave?
The israelis have been systematically wiping out the indigenous population for the past sixty years.
You have no idea.
I think when you finally do a little tiny bit of actual research on the issue, you will owe me an apology.
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM
The point is, they were there before they took over the country 60 years ago! Why should they leave?
The israelis have been systematically wiping out the indigenous population for the past sixty years.
You have no idea.
I think when you finally do a little tiny bit of actual research on the issue, you will owe me an apology.
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM
You do not know your History! what a joke you are. Get cracking and read the truth! You owe me an apology.
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 9:55 PM
The “legal conventions of war”?? Huh?
It’s war. Civilians get killed. In huge numbers, usually – unless there is some war you are thinking of where civilians didn’t get killed in large numbers? You’ll have to refresh my memory on that one. We firebombed cities in the war that had the most complete and positive end, possible, as regards obliterating the threat from our enemies and turning our sworn enemies into some of our most trusted, most productive, most worthwhile allies imaginable – and for decades. It would be folly to rule out any of the tactics used in that “most successful war in history”. I don’t where your “war rule book” is, but we have a strategic nuclear arsenal, right now, and it ain’t for blowing up ships and military installations … you know.
Your problem is that you confuse a defense with a war. They are not the same. Defenses are for idiots.
And the label “terrorist” is not to denote the tactics used. It is merely a label for the enemy. That’s how things evolved, and how political correctness bent things. That’s life.
progressoverpeace on December 27, 2008 at 10:00 PM
And neither did the Israelis. If any group attempted genocide, it was the Arabs.
Sometimes I wish licenses were required to use words like genocide. Your obvious misuse of it proves that you have no understanding of it.
Arabs in the Middle East are not helped by ignorant blather like yours. All you do is enable the psychopaths who are killing them by allowing blame to be placed on Israel.
iconoclast on December 27, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Where was the seat of government in “Palestine”? What was the order of government and laws? Who were some of the leaders and officials? Just curious.
Itchee Dryback on December 27, 2008 at 10:11 PM
It was ruled by Britain and before that the Ottoman empire.
It has had a majority palestinian arab population for almost 2,000 years.
It’s a fact that the “israeli’s” have been wiping out the population for the past 60 years.
That is the definition of genocide…. Killing off an entire population.
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 10:17 PM
9/11 Does that ring a Bell?
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 10:18 PM
The real question is why we waste billions a year on this nonsense. We’re p!ssing away billions to the car companies and demonizing auto workers because they are greedy enough to want…gasp…benefits and because they are stuck under the leadership of corrupt aholes, yet not a peep for the yearly bailouts to Israel and the Palestinians who are stuck under the leadership of corrupt homicidal aholes.
Let them kill each other and stay the hell out of it.
LevStrauss on December 27, 2008 at 10:19 PM
They’re not killing innocent civilians outside of the legal conventions of war…we have a veto in the UN.
LevStrauss on December 27, 2008 at 10:20 PM
It was ruled by Britain and before that the Ottoman empire.
That was a uninhabited stretch of land, that no one wanted. Nomads were the only ones there. Israel fought back from being again attacked, in that time. They won the land fair and square. Where the hell are you getting your information? Killing off an entire population? You are a fool!
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Those Israelis are such incompetents. Their version of genocide has the “palestinians” population growing faster than the Israeli population.
Some genocide.
You need to at least TRY to get some facts. It might–unlikely, but might–improve your comments.
iconoclast on December 27, 2008 at 10:23 PM
So Jerusalem was an unihabited wasteland?
You are so misinformed it’s scary.
You just believe any propaganda that they tell you hook line and sinker.
No thought necessary..
SaintOlaf on December 27, 2008 at 10:26 PM
I think your anger is misplaced:
Y-not on December 27, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Israel responded like Russia after being attacked.
Funny, this is not being covered:
Surprise! Outgoing Bush Admin To Ink Strategic Pact With Georgia:
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/12/us-georgia-to-s.html
Good luck Hillary.
getalife on December 27, 2008 at 10:28 PM
I am not even wasting my time with your ignorance. It is obvious that you are missing a few upstairs. I don’t listen to propaganda like you. My family history goes back and I have many Jewish Relatives. My Uncle is a upstanding Professor in Israel. I also learned a lot from reading, and research. You are a crack pot. A bleeding heart. A waste.
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Gee-whiz, look who agrees with SaintDumbkopf?
Nice company you keep there, bud….
dmh0667 on December 27, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Israel responded like Russia after being attacked.
Thank you for the link. That is a tad crazy. It figures the Media here is not reporting this. We need to clean up the Media. There are also issues that are going on that are not being reported. Americans need to wake up. They are playing with us.
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 10:38 PM
You’ve lost me. What should she have said?
unclesmrgol on December 27, 2008 at 10:43 PM
U.S. urges Hamas to cease rocket attacks on Israel
http://www.yahoo.com/s/1007944
Well, this was on yahoo news. Oh, but Hamas is innocent and Israel is killing innocent children! Not that they are tired of taking crap. And Israeli children have been killed by Hamas’s rockets. Oh how dare them!
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 10:46 PM
You’ve lost me. What should she have said?
unclesmrgol on December 27, 2008 at 10:43 PM
I believe that he was saying Condi Rice needs to keep her mouth shut. She has no business telling Israel not to defend themselves. Our Country is so busy butting in other Countries affairs. They don’t even see what is going on in our Country! Israel needs to kick butt and not stop. I just hope they don’t. Because when The One comes in, they are on their own. I sure hope they realize this before it is to late.
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Eff Condi, Eff Obahama, and eff Colitus Powell, Go Israel and kill every one of those POS and then whack boy toy Amadinnerjacket. Exchange one Jew murdered for 100 arabs lives and see how far their suicide bombers get them. Bleed them dry and save the rest of the world the hassle.
GlocknRoll on December 27, 2008 at 10:53 PM
I feel the same way. Love Colitus! LOL that is very creative and fits him well.
sheebe on December 27, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Followed by:
She should have said nothing. The cease fire was never real. It really broke apart (so that no one with a brain could pretend it was still “active”) well over a month ago. So, what is Rice talking about returning to? What she was happy with two weeks ago?
The jab about watching for “civilian casualties” (which was given by someone else from State, I think, though Condi usually does it, herself, is particularly stupid and pointless. Condi clearly doesn’t understand anything about the middle east and should not pretend that she does.
progressoverpeace on December 27, 2008 at 10:58 PM
So much for Dumbya’s legacy of peace in the Middle East.
benny shakar on December 27, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Doncha love the smell of BDS in the evening??
Clearly what has failed in Israel vis a vis the arabs in Gaza and Jordan/WestBank is the assumption that the arabs want anything less than elimination of the state of Israel.
Bush did show the way in Iraq–kill the extremists without hesitation, negotiate respectfully with the moderates to create a 21st century state. Iraq is turning into the first Arab democracy. And Bush liberated 60 million human beings while he was at it.
Not a bad job, not bad at all.
iconoclast on December 27, 2008 at 11:10 PM
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