You said,
yeah pretty much….show me all the ‘moderate’ muslims protesting the terrorists in the streets…I won’t hold my breath….

and that is true…I did not say ‘they were all terrorists’ as you said I did.

We cannot force our belief’s on others.It is definitely not up to U.S military.

really? we sure did a hell of job with Japan after WWII, though didn’t we? and we transformed NAZI germany to a rather peaceful democracy…talk about major transformations those are about 2 of the biggest you can imagine. and the way we did it?? total war…without total war, there is no total victory or defeat, and all you do is kick the can down the road…as we see with israel and the arabs..

know it is frustrating for you but America can no longer control the world.

this is another example of idiotic left-wing wacko foreigners…this is pathetic…we could have controlled the world, if that is what we wanted, we could have subjected europe and japan after wwII and the russians would have easy to defeat…but thats not what america has ever wanted…contrary to the beliefs of you delusional america-hating wackos.

Myself and other countries have every right to object to U.S interference,hypocrisy and double standards around the world.

and I say to people like you: go to hell. try and stop us. we’re going do to do what is in OUR interest…and if you don’t like….to damned bad. I don’t even want to bother to argue the merits with idiots like you. you’re wrong on every count, but logic means nothing to scum like you. I hope you get the sharia law you deserve. you can’t even control your own country…its becoming MUSLIM…and I’m enjoying the violence, the chaos, that is enguling britian….

The world cannot be divided into good v evil.

actually it can.

As you can see with us,love,mutual respect and hormones bind us closer then violence.

mags on December 28, 2008 at 11:25 AM

its only because of VIOLENCE that you are free to spout your idiotic drivel.

Ok earlier conversation’
I said,
No Santa did not get me a prayer rug.Is everyone who does have one a terrorist or evil?
You said,
yeah pretty much….show me all the ‘moderate’ muslims protesting the terrorists in the streets…I won’t hold my breath….

I haven’t got all the answers.Our foreign policy doesn’t help.

We cannot force our belief’s on others.It is definitely not up to U.S military.

I know it is frustrating for you but America can no longer control the world.
Myself and other countries have every right to object to U.S interference,hypocrisy and double standards around the world.

That doesn’t mean we hate Americans,are ungrateful for ww2,deserve to be abandoned during humanitarian situation’s.

Should other sovereign countries just follow U.S foreign policy,that is drawn up with America’s interests firstly?

The world cannot be divided into good v evil.

As you can see with us,love,mutual respect and hormones bind us closer then violence.

However, I think something beautiful is happening between us
That is why you are annoyed with me,it’s a powerful emotion that is engulfing us.

mags on December 27, 2008 at 4:59 PM

whacha smokin over there mags???

To assume all muslim’s are terrorists,and collectively remove them all while quoting scriptures is disturbing to my pollyanna brain

I don’t assume all muslims are terrorists…why do you continue to lie about what I said? are you just dumb, or deceptive because you have no answers, so you have to smear your opponents?

again whats YOUR solution for Europe become Eurabia? let it happen? whenever muslims become a majority, or a large enough minority…there is conflict…look at lebanon, Nigeria, Indonesia, Thailand, India…get the picture?? you think the muslims in europe are gonna become secular wackos like Dawkins?? think again.

Europe kicked the muslims out before…and it seemed to work pretty well. why not do it again? because it would be RAAAAACCCCISSSSTTT and the european libs would rather DIE than be racist…and they may get their wish!!

I am no way naive to the fact that there is a threat to the west from extremists.I did have family involved in the 7/7 tube bombings.

Earlier i have given personal experiences to reflect the problem of immigration,lack of assimilation and growing unease that is growing here.

I work in the N.H.S and it is getting ridiculous.I just don’t think there is a military answer.
I in no way want to insult you or Right4life,but you have to admit some do sound angry.
I am angry as well with the muslim world,moderates should speak up more.British muslim’s protesting for their’oppressed brothers’ should go and try protesting in those countries.
I have had enough of us spending so much money on interpreters,and my patients talking various languages around me and obviously about me,it is very rude.
Last night i had to get an interpreter in to tell somebody to go home.
I had an Iranian so furious with me that he was drooling-he was acting as my interpreter,every time i thought i had got consent because he said/she said,as soon as i touched her she screamed her head off.
He wanted to hold her down and i should just get on with my job,if she kicked me ,bit me or clawed me apparently that was job as well.
We enjoyed watching him try to start his car and then watched as he tried to push it on his own.

I have not got the answers,but implying that the British are just accepting the problems because we respond in a different way doesn’t reflect our citizen’s.

Our intelligence agencies have managed to foil some plot’s against us.I seem to totally condone terribly planned and executed operations by the police on innocent muslim’s.
These things happen,which is totally not me,usually.

Right4life,

I don’t want to insult you,if that’s how i have made you feel then i deserve to give you an apology. I am genuinely interested in different view points.
To assume all muslim’s are terrorists,and collectively remove them all while quoting scriptures is disturbing to my pollyanna brain.

However, I think something beautiful is happening between us
That is why you are annoyed with me,it’s a powerful emotion that is engulfing us.

I don’t expect American’s to be totally informed ,as I don’t know everything about the U.S.
That is why i try to follow whats going on in your country.
Posters tell me when i get it wrong.

I have been saying that the interpretation of events here from posters due not reflect the reality on the ground.

The title is United Kingdom of Great Britain and northern Ireland.

You can be English,Scottish,Welsh and northern Irish,but collectively British.

You can be Texan and American ,can’t you?

On sporting events everybody gets tribal and that is when you see the English flag,welsh,Scottish and northern Ireland .Instead of the union jack.
In the Olympics it’s team GB.
It isn’t an insult for an English person to be called British.

You are right to say we do not identify ourselves as Europeans like other countries do,but that is politically.

We are involved in other areas.Countries in Europe compete to be city of culture.
It has been brilliant for Liverpool and we are extremely proud of what we have achieved.

http://www.liverpool08.com/

Our football team has won the European cup many times over the years.

We go on holiday mostly in Europe.The downside is the Euro-vision song contest,by law we have had to sit through this torture for years or we would be taken to the tower.

Finland won a couple of years ago with this.
http://www.escfans.com/news/read/12645.

Obviously ensuring that we don’t want to define ourselves European politically.

The way you are protraying life in the U.K is wrong,sorry to spoil the party.

I didn’t mean to suggest that life is hellish in the UK. I’m sure one can live a wonderful life and be perfectly happy.

What I’m worried about is the great danger lying in wait.

Imams like Choudray state openly time and again that they are going to take over Britain by force when they have the numbers.

Why doesn’t anyone take him seriously? He and his followers are a serious threat.

I am so glad i am here, it is sad to see how intolerant ,angry,non-inclusive,extremists and hateful your once great nation has become.

I’m Irish-born and have always lived in Ireland. My opinions are not representative of the general population so I am expect there will be a massive influx of Muslim immigrants to ‘diversify’ the place.

However I object to some of the terms you applied to me.

Who said I was angry and hateful? I’m talking about a prudent solution to a problem that is going to exist in the future. What do you suggest – peace walls? They haven’t been much use in Northern Ireland.

As for being intolerant and non-inclusive I am indeed when it comes to hostile, alien cultures that are promoted by leftists to destroy European civillisation.

mags on December 27, 2008 at 12:45 AM

if you had an ounce of decency, you would apologize to me for the lies you said about me.

don’t worry I won’t hold my breath…

I am so glad i am here, it is sad to see how intolerant ,angry,non-inclusive,extremists and hateful your once great nation has become.

mags on December 27, 2008 at 12:45 AM

because people like you now live there.

mags on December 27, 2008 at 12:45 AM

Come to Liverpool i will show you around.We are the european city of culture.

First off Liverpool is in England, and English People neither like to be called Britains nor Europeans. I guess you have not lived in England very long or you would have a better understanding of their geography.

I will be able to tell you how much crap is being written here about the U.K.

I don’t know whether to laugh or run in fear. What do I know i only live here.

The way you are protraying life in the U.K is wrong,sorry to spoil the party.

I am so glad i am here, it is sad to see how intolerant ,angry,non-inclusive,extremists and hateful your once great nation has become.

hotair had a link to an article in time magazine, of all places, about a church in britain undergoing a revival..

I was in London a year ago and it was clear it was in decline. It was once the greatest city in the world and now its a dive. So where better for Jesus to start reclaiming souls? A worldly city loses its worldly grandeur and Our Lord takes an interest. :)

No, it isn’t practical because it is not within our power to do it. Mass deportations require the resources of the state and no state in the free world is about to embark on mass deportations of Muslims or anybody else. Not this year, not next year, not in the forseeable future.

Clearly. However it is something that must happen. The complete Islamification of Western civillisation is “not in the forseeable future” for the majority of clueless Western peoples anymore than de-Islamification seems a realistic goal for us. Yet something must break.

The once great UK, is nothing more than a whimpering child. Sadly, they opened their doors to the wolves, and the fools will eventually be devoured.

byteshredder on December 26, 2008 at 10:37 PM

The UK ascended from a grubby and unfashionable corner of the Roman Empire. It took about 1500 years from the landing of the first missionaries to the rise or the puritan movement that turned a divided, backward and ignorant land into a coherent nation that could, very briefly, dominate all of the oceans, claim title over 1/3 of the land and have its influence known almost everywhere.

If this is greatness then it came from fearing God and preaching the truth faithfully in barren fields as the puritans did for two or three generations before the harvest began to come in.

I guess I am answering my own questions.

aengus on December 26, 2008 at 10:47 PM

hotair had a link to an article in time magazine, of all places, about a church in britain undergoing a revival..

link

If I were you I’d hold off on the phony eulogies for the UK until you’re certain you’re not headed into the same abyss.

aengus on December 26, 2008 at 10:47 PM

oh we are, no doubt…the suicide of the west…by James Burnham…great book.

The once great UK, is nothing more than a whimpering child. Sadly, they opened their doors to the wolves, and the fools will eventually be devoured.

byteshredder on December 26, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Are you residing in a country with secure borders–or are you an American?

The notorious Christian heretic Tertullian once said that one of the chief joys of Heaven is in watching the tortures of the damned.

If I were you I’d hold off on the phony eulogies for the UK until you’re certain you’re not headed into the same abyss.

Mass deportation is the practical solution. I wish there were some easier solution but there isn’t. The dreamworld stuff is assimilation, moderate Muslims, inter-faith tolerance.

aengus on December 26, 2008 at 10:33 PM

No, it isn’t practical because it is not within our power to do it. Mass deportations require the resources of the state and no state in the free world is about to embark on mass deportations of Muslims or anybody else. Not this year, not next year, not in the forseeable future.

There is a tiny chance that some states in Europe could be persuaded to remove the non-citizen Muslims but even that is unlikely and I don’t think it would achieve much anyway given how many citizen Muslims there now are.

Mr soon-to-be-POTUS Obama has reminded me of a lesson also taught by the British SAS. Sometimes, “He who dares wins”.

What do we dare to do?

Or are we all just lippy, lazy cowards, good for nothing more than blogging comfortably?

YiZhangZhe on December 26, 2008 at 10:34 PM

well as individuals there is only so much we can do….the best thing is PRAY Without ceasing…

but remember the Lord is going to use islam for His purposes…Ezekiel 37-39 is pretty clear about what He is going to do about islam…His will be done…

as a nation we could advocate energy independence, which is achievable for the US, and we could take many steps to reduce our dependence upon foreign oil…but with Obama as president I don’t see much hope for that.

there is no ‘moderate’ islam…there are some moderate people who call themselves muslim…but islam itself is all about taking over….and they’ll get their ‘mahdi’ and their 7 years…and hell follows…

The European and American peoples are being displaced and replaced in their own countries. This process is by far the worst democide in recorded history, worse than Tsarist Russification or Sovietisation. It may not be as messy as genocide but the result is the same.

very good point. it is astounding…I wonder what Charles martel would think?? its mass surrender, and suicide.

Mass deportation is the practical solution. I wish there were some easier solution but there isn’t. The dreamworld stuff is assimilation, moderate Muslims, inter-faith tolerance.

thank you! its what our ancestors had to do to protect themselves and insure their freedom from the oppression of islam. tolerance is a one-way street, with the muslims having none for any who are not muslim.