Disgrace: Ahmadinejad to deliver “alternative” Christmas message on British TV
posted at 1:14 pm on December 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
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On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me: A terrorist Holocaust-denier invited by useful idiots to tell me why Jesus would want Iran to have the Bomb.
Full transcript at the Times of London:
If Christ were on Earth today, undoubtedly He would stand with the people in opposition to bullying, ill-tempered and expansionist powers.
If Christ were on Earth today, undoubtedly He would hoist the banner of justice and love for humanity to oppose warmongers, occupiers, terrorists and bullies the world over.
If Christ were on Earth today, undoubtedly He would fight against the tyrannical policies of prevailing global economic and political systems, as He did in His lifetime. The solution to today’s problems is a return to the call of the divine Prophets. The solution to these crises is to follow the Prophets – they were sent by the Almighty for the good of humanity…
We believe, Jesus Christ will return, together with one of the children of the revered Messenger of Islam and will lead the world to love, brotherhood and justice. The responsibility of all followers of Christ and Abrahamic faiths is to prepare the way for the fulfilment of this divine promise and the arrival of that joyful, shining and wonderful age. I hope that the collective will of nations will unite in the not too distant future and with the grace of the Almighty Lord, that shining age will come to rule the earth.
And the predictable defense:
Dorothy Byrne, head of news and current affairs at Channel 4, said: “As the leader of one of the most powerful states in the Middle East, President Ahmadinejad’s views are enormously influential.
“As we approach a critical time in international relations, we are offering our viewers an insight into an alternative world view.”
In the U.S., the fault line between acceptable “alternative world views” and perspectives so vile as to be unfit for public consumption is a preacher who’s done good work for AIDS victims but is tepidly opposed to gay marriage. In Britain, it’s this turd — and as it turns out, he’s on the right side of the line. This is the same cretin who humiliated British sailors on worldwide television; who provoked an international standoff over a nuclear program that will end up starting an arms race in the Middle East; and who’s been sending weapons into Iraq for years to do to British soldiers there what was done in Afghanistan to last year’s “alternative message” presenter. It’s because of all that, not in spite of it, that he’s being handed this platform — on Christmas Day, as a de facto rebuttal to the Queen, to invite his audience in a thinly veiled way to convert. Imagine the contempt you’d have to have for your country to give him the opportunity.
But then, this is Channel 4. Among Britain’s many useful idiots, they’ve been very useful indeed, especially during yuletide. Exit question: Any chance of a boycott, British readers?
Update: Here’s the real point, belatedly. If it’s all about insight into “alternative world views,” why not just interview him and run it on Friday? Why give him the Christmas slot? There’s no way to read this except as a middle finger.
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Theres still a traditionalist faction in the Church of England I believe but, just like in Western political systems, all the real power in the hands of liberals.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:56 PM
St. Olaf thinks The Protocols of Zion is a fine book. He said so yesterday.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Un.
Frickin.
Believeable.
catmman on December 24, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Do you think the US should end its alliance with Israel based on this view?
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:58 PM
No.
In a way, Judaism began after Christ.
After His resurrection, Jesus Christ taught the Apostles the correct interpretations of the Hebrew Scriptures, notably that they are all about HIM.
Considering that the hebrews believe the wrong interpretations and rejected and crucified their own God, that would mark the beginning of the false cult of judaism.
SaintOlaf on December 24, 2008 at 4:01 PM
I offer my pity for the Britons who have to stand by and witness that their country has lost the great war. They are pulling their forces out of the war on terror,they have accepted the use of Sharia, and they are allowing
and saying that he is
The cowtowing to the growing Muslim population in Briton is unmatched as they bend over backwards to ensure that every Muslim is given special treatment to respect their religion,yet considerably negative coverage is given to their Anglican pastoral community.
Will the history books reflect this grave loss?
We read terrible stories of racist movie stars requesting non-Arab taxi drivers only to learn that there is an epidemic of Arab rapists who have been pillaging the English countryside of their virtuous women in an effort to force British women into having male escorts with them everywhere they go to ensure their safety.
Do the Britons even know they have lost?
I apologize if I have offended anyone, this is after all just one persons humble opinion.
canditaylor68 on December 24, 2008 at 4:04 PM
SaintOlaf on December 24, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Might I suggest that if you want to have an intelligent discussion about either Judaism or Christianity, you take the time to learn something about the topics?
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Good question.
Why can’t we just remain neutral.
We don’t need to be sticking our nose in every country’s business anyway…
SaintOlaf on December 24, 2008 at 4:12 PM
“There’s no way to read this except as a middle finger.”
Agreed. Why is it that an atheist sees this, while most Christians are oblivious?
Gaunilon on December 24, 2008 at 4:14 PM
I refuse to believe the people of Great Britain are as stupid as their media. They, much like we colonists, need a boot in the arse to motivate the silent majority. I just hope they (and we) get it before it’s too late.
SKYFOX on December 24, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Sooo, all alternatives are good and exempt from mockery or even critical examination, except for Christianity?
“Middle finger.” Right back at you, Channel 4. Your part in the destruction of England will not be forgotten.
PattyJ on December 24, 2008 at 4:23 PM
I thought 9/11 was one Helluva boot in the arse.
What will it take to motivate the silent majority?
An American Hiroshima?
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Mark Steyn is incredible.
jimmy the notable on December 24, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Ahmadinejad is a good speaker when he stays on script and what he say’s has no real substance, so what harm can come from it….. oh wait, uh… um… er… nevermind. Maybe he shouldn’t be listened to after all.
Hog Wild on December 24, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Steyn gets it.
thomasaur on December 24, 2008 at 4:36 PM
that is not possible my friend. in fact it is totally unrealistic, given the last 1,400 years of history, with islam being at WAR with all that is NOT islam.
and us trying to stay out of it won’t work. we’re dar al-Islam…(muslim) or dar al-Harb and we are the ‘house of war’ to be conquered and converted by the sword…which is the way of islam.
there is no neutrality in this war…and it ends in armageddon…and did you know the Anti-christ beheads those who oppose him…wonder where he gets that idea from??? hmmm??
right4life on December 24, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Pretty much everything I thought when I read about this disgrace has been reflected here, but there is one I do want to be sure to repeat for all:
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
Hope you all have a wonderful day. :-)
fireweednectar on December 24, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Oooh, (raises hand) can I do the “alternative message” during Ramadan?
Corsair on December 24, 2008 at 4:53 PM
I’m afraid the europe will become the ‘house of peace’ muslim…did you hear about the ‘yutes’ having them some fun up in malmo sweden this week?
its of course the fault of repressive racist capitalistic bigoted policies of the europeans!!
they just need to bend over (towards mecca 5 times a day) a little more for the ‘yutes’ and everything will be OK!!
right4life on December 24, 2008 at 4:57 PM
uh yeah if you want be about a head shorter…
right4life on December 24, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Good one.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 5:02 PM
they are going to collapse soon, pathetic
jp on December 24, 2008 at 5:02 PM
where is QE #1 when you need her. protect England at all costs. or Churchill?
kelley in virginia on December 24, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Greetings trafalgar, I treasure your words as a person of British roots I too am sadden by the affairs of the UK, and the other Western powers that the Muslims want to control. In regard to Dinnerjacket’s speech, he had it all wrong. Jesus never condemned any nation such as Rome on its slavery, oppression of some, imperialistic wars or anything else that it was guilty of. Jesus was only concerned with sin and what individual people did with the issue. Jesus has given all all of us a choice either to follow Him or to reject Him and He will never force us to convert to Him. The gospel is so simple that a child can understand it but its the adults that make it so complicated. Jesus said also that its a narrow gate to heaven and that also in the last days there would be a great falling away of believers. This does seem to be going on now but by prayer things can be turned around.
garydt on December 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Yeah I’m following that story. The riots have been spreading into the outskirts of Stockholm since yesterday.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 5:08 PM
AP, you fail to make anything resembling a rational argument. Charity work does not redeem every stupidity and every cruelty. If we take your “argument” to its logical concustion, we would have to accept Hitler as a good man if he had just made a habit of visiting nursing homes. An opponent of gay marriage should not be redeemed by doing some AIDS charity work in the eyes of gay people or the much more numerous straights who are supportive. I have no objection to Rick Warren doing the Obama inaguration, but I would strongly object to any person who sees marriage as human right arguing that Rick Warren’s views should be acceptable.
thuja on December 24, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Well, to answer Ed’s question, I’m sure it will get low viewing figures even though they’re trying to get some attention and ratings by being controversial. It’s hardly a surprise. This is the channel which showed people eating puke in the 80s. They have the typical student attitude to the world. Frankly, who gives a sh*t? I’ll be celebrating Christmas with my family having watched the Queen’s speech earlier in the day. It’s no different from Howard Stern or something like that, they want to provoke people to get a reaction. Very childish. Just ignore them like you ignore kids.
thedarknight on December 24, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Firstly, there is a tradition at Channel Four of offering an alternative Christmas speech to the Queen’s on Christmas Day. It’s when the mic is handed over to someone different.
Secondly, I think it is good that this is offered to an asshole like Ahmaninijad. It shows that in some parts of the world differing points of view can be aired… even by people who we find distasteful and repugnant. I don’t think this demonstration of open mindedness will lead to change in Iran right away but it shows that despite everything else… it is still alive in the UK and the West generally. The fact that we can have a creep like him make a sanctimonious appeal without loosing our heads and rioting says something good about us and highlights what is lacking in other less fortunate places like Iran. Some comments here would suggest that allowing him on TV means that Britain is kow towing to Islam. That is illogical Bullshit. Plenty of Iranians fled their home country because of people like him to live in the UK just as they came to the US and they contribute something valuable to their new homes.
If anything good can come from this it is perhaps the realization for some that Jesus is not only revered by Christians but also by Muslims and that they too seek his return in triumph not unlike many Christians.
Merry Christmas
“The judaizers are no friend of Christ.”…. and neither are you!!!
lexhamfox on December 24, 2008 at 5:32 PM
What’s it like to break bread with someone that wants to kill you?
Kini on December 24, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Your attitude is exactly what is wrong with the gay rights movement, and it’s gay rights supporters, rather than gays themselves, who are completely clueless about what you demand from others and call it a “right”.
Gay people have just as much right to get married as straight people do. They just can’t marry someone of their own gender. As a straight woman, I can’t marry my brother, so if anyone is being discriminated against it’s me. What right does the state have to tell me and my brother we can’t get married?
Homosexuality is not a race or a gender or a class. It’s a behavior. Gay rights laws legislate the reaction to that behavior, which is nothing more than the state telling everyone how they are supposed to react to a personal habit. That’s all gay rights laws are. Gays have done a very good job of couching their grievances in terms of “human rights” or “equal rights”. But it’s got nothing to do with their rights, and everything to do with gays wanting their lifestyles to be more than tolerated. The gays rights crowd passed tolerance a long time ago. They passed acceptance a long time ago. They are after celebration now and the benchmark is gay marriage.
Homosexuality is very much like religion these days. And the Thug-in-Chief’s FU on Christmas is a great example of how the Liberal Left is so intent on denigrating their own traditions that they don’t recognize when someone is flipping them the bird.
Jaynie59 on December 24, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Disgraceful.
RightOFLeft on December 24, 2008 at 6:20 PM
You might want to study up on Islam a little more. The Christian notion of Christ’s triumphant return in a whole lot different from the Muslims’.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Their idea of peace, happiness and the hereafter is sorta painful.
And not in a San Franciscan way either.
Kini on December 24, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Except that Allah of the koran did nothing to absolve sin whereas Jesus did pay the price for all humanity. Islam therefore is a false religion. The muslims who hope to have a victorious end will be eternally dissappointed because they have rejected the Christ who loved them so much to pay their price for their sin. Muslims and others will have no excuse because they would have had the chance many times in their lives. Those who live in remote areas who never have heard the gospel will rely on Romans ch.1 verses 19 and 20 that says Because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. Jesus also said He was the only way to heaven and that excludes all others to that claim.
garydt on December 24, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Allah hates you this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Infidels Christians and Jews we bomb
They are weak but we are strong
Yes Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you,
The Koran tells me so.
Allah hates you, you will die
Blow your ass up to the sky
Preach to the dhimmis on British TV, chop off head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.
Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you!
The Koran tells me so.
Aleph on December 24, 2008 at 8:31 PM
That’s brilliant, Aleph.
Percy_Peabody on December 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Ummm… but it will be heralded by Jesus either way. He has a pivotal role in the end time in both traditions. Perhaps he will give his followers a break.
lexhamfox on December 24, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Yeah and how do you think Jewish people look at the Christian scenario? Or for that matter those good people of any faith outside of Christianity. A man who lives a good and honest life goes to hell because he doesn’t think God made a virgin pregnant and let some people torture his son… so he died for us all even though that good man asked nothing of God or his son (who is God but not quite). I mean what is mean or tricky here????
lexhamfox on December 24, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I disagree. The Muslims in Britain are demanding very little. I’m more or less with aengus on this, the premiere problem is the liberals. They lack the rationality and morality needed to understand society and with which to evaluate ideas. They fail to understand that “western values” are substantially derived from Christian ideas.
The liberals are actively undermining society. The majority are acquiessing to that destruction, possibly because they feel they have no voice.
YiZhangZhe on December 24, 2008 at 11:21 PM
He should deliver a ‘thank you for not killing me’ message.
johnnyU on December 24, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Merry Xmas, kill the bastard!
dmann on December 24, 2008 at 11:54 PM
+1
————-
-muslims gang-raping western women
-nightly muslim riots in France and other countries
-regular hate rallies with chants of ‘death to america/israel/denmark/etc.’
-burning our flags, terrorism, jihad
-fatwas to murder Rushdie, Geert Wilders and other westerners
-9/11, london, madrid, mumbai
-open declarations of war and death for non-muslims by imams
-Iran calling Israel ‘a rotting corpse’ promising its destruction, feverishly building nukes and stoning women
And we’re sleepwalking through all this, Bush still calls Islam a religion of peace after all these years. Do muslims have to shove 6 million Jews into ovens to finally get us to wake up? Is that the threshold that must be crossed before we fight back?
Why do all the cowards and traitors (read liberals) have the power and are stopping us from defending ourselves? Sorry for the rant, I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir and we all share the same frustration over Islam.
Fortunately there are people like us who hold positions of power and will do something if given the chance. Here’s a great speech given by Geert Wilders at the Jihad Conference in Israel recently-definitely worth watching.
thinkagain on December 25, 2008 at 12:26 AM
minor correction: in fairness there are cowards/traitors across the political spectrum, including conservatives, but they’re mostly in the liberal camp in my view.
thinkagain on December 25, 2008 at 12:39 AM
LeehamFox, why do you make the gospel so difficult???. A mere child can understand it. The bible must be right when it says only the Holy Spirit can open your eyes to the Truth. Its simple, we all have sin and God can’t let anyone into heaven with sin and thats why He became man and became the sacrifice for US. God does not desire anyone, muslim, jew, athiest, buddist or whoever to reject Him. Those who reject do so on their own choice.
garydt on December 25, 2008 at 12:43 AM
This is one reason that Muslims are usually angry because they have bragged how they have the corner on the truth but deep down they are not sure but this is only a guess on my part. I hope they realize before its to late.
garydt on December 25, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Nobody is stopping us from defending ourselves but perhaps we (collectively) still haven’t identified the enemy properly.
The way I see it is that Liberalism and Islam are just two players on the same team, and are performing a pincer movement to envelop and suffocate truth. Theologically speaking, both groups operate under the same director.
The liberals are not cowards and traitors who prevent self defence … they are one half of the enveloping enemy.
YiZhangZhe on December 25, 2008 at 1:01 AM
Maybe the Christian message is easier to understand if you consider Noah and his boat.
The people who survived the flood were not good people and the people who drowned were not bad people. The survivors were the people who were in the boat when the flood waters rose, those who drowned were those outside. In = life, out = death. In or out, nothing else mattered. Goodness and badness had nothing to do with it.
Noah warned his compatriates but most of them (for whatever reason) didn’t trust his message (didn’t believe a flood would come) or didn’t trust his boat (didn’t believe it would keep them safe). They perished not because of their badness but because of their lack of belief.
To believe in something means you are willing to trust that thing. When you ride an aeroplane you are trusting many people: You trust the person who tells you the plane is going to that destination (not somewhere else), you trust that the engineers who built the plane did it properly, you trust the crew not to crash it.
Because of your trust, you get on board.
If (for whatever reason) you don’t trust any of those people, you won’t get on board.
One major part of the Christian message is that God’s righteous judgement will cover the whole world leaving nothing untouched. No person by themselves and their own righteousness can survive that judgement, just as nobody could survive Noah’s flood by their own strength. However, Noah’s neighbours could have survived if they had trusted him and his boat. A boat is useless in the coming judgement but we still need something for refuge. That refuge is Jesus.
If we put our trust in Jesus we can be saved from the judgement. We need to cast ourselves onto him and cling to him, just as Noah’s neighbours needed to cast themselves onto the boat and cling to it. Metaphorically, not literally, of course. Noah and his boat and physical destruction are a metaphor for moral and spiritual things to come.
That is why it is so simple that even a child can do it. Children are more willing to trust. Adults become cynical, sneering and scoffing.
A simple minded person or a child can trust Jesus. A mature intellectual can trust Jesus. Some people will trust Jesus because they feel drawn to his life and love, some people will trust him because they have critically evaluated the evidence. Either way is fine … it really isn’t important.
Cynics will not trust a man’s character. Scoffers will not review the evidence. Arrogant men are too proud of their own goodness to see their need of help. They do not perish because God condemns them. They perish because their trust, or lack of it, influences their choices. They are offered a place in the boat and they refuse it.
The sinner who clings to Christ will survive. The good man who scoffs and sneers will be destroyed. Again, the critical matter is trust, not righteousness.
The full story is much bigger and much more interesting than this and covers far more than mere survival (salvation), but I am trying(and as usual failing) to be concise. :)
YiZhangZhe on December 25, 2008 at 1:32 AM
No more bickering kids. Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.
Laura in Maryland on December 25, 2008 at 1:52 AM
Your view of Heaven is that of a small and unjust place inhabited by like minded people.
Tav on December 25, 2008 at 2:23 AM
Been there, done that. Wouldn’t even go near C4 or its ilk, the BBC and SKY these days at all, and haven’t in a long time.
An t-Oibriche Criosdail on December 25, 2008 at 2:54 AM
Curious. I haven’t expressed any view concerning heaven.
Maybe you are finding what you want/expect to find, rather than trying to understand what I wrote.
YiZhangZhe on December 25, 2008 at 3:01 AM
All I see everywhere is “alternative views.” The only view they won’t allow to be aired is in fact the traditional one.
BKennedy on December 25, 2008 at 8:43 AM
To hell with this terrorist pig, he can take his “alternative” garbage and stick it in his ear . . . or the orifice of his choice.
rplat on December 25, 2008 at 8:50 AM
YIZhangZhe, no one could have explained it better then your last few posts. The person who said that your view of heaven is unjust is not speaking clearly. You have stated God’s position well and therefore its Gods position and one should be careful calling our Loving God unjust. All those who reject Christ do so on their will. No one forces you to reject Christ. People do this on their own will.
garydt on December 25, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Posters are making way too much significance to this.
The other year Marge Simpson spoke from the heart.As did Borat.
Calling for boycotts and censorship (as with freedom fries)
Btw french in french fries comes from the word frenched-a
way to cut a potato,it has nothing to do with France .It’s like me saying I disagree with Turkey the country so i am going to stop eating turkey
.We don’t want enforced censorship,we can just turn over.
To suggest that this means the british are bending over for islam is ridiculous
Even gay rights here are not bothered,because it shows freedom and privilege can be discussed without riots.
Some denied in Iran.
Has anybody read the transcripts? Or listened to anything he has said.You might be surprised.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qMrqSsmIlqc
mags on December 25, 2008 at 9:52 AM
well, well, if it isn’t my old friend mags!! how are things in Londonistan today??
of course you british aren’t ‘bending over’…you’ve already bent about as far as you can…
link
you are a load of laughs there mags!!
I’m glad you were inspired by ahmadinajad…I somehow knew you would be!!! did you get a new prayer rug for ramadan??
right4life on December 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM
The response of the UK to the Muslims is in the fine tradition of Neville Chamberlain.
kingsjester on December 25, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Actually you are a laugh… for passing on articles from The Sun as facts. The newspaper is a joke and there are two pictures of you on page three every day.
The HMP Brixton toilets were updated from the original 1863 installation because they were rebuilding the cells.
lexhamfox on December 25, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Curious. The road map that you have chosen for yourself to cling to on how to get to Heaven seems rather clear.
Maybe somehow you don’t understand the clear meaning of the vile “The sinner who clings to Christ will survive. The good man who scoffs and sneers will be destroyed” that you want so much to believe, but then maybe you do.
Tav on December 25, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Tav you still don’t seem to understand, we are all sinners and those who have not been cleansed by Christ or have repented of sins will be saved. Those who are filled with pride and who scoffs and sneers have had their chance and they reject the Truth very willingly. Whats the problem of understanding this??? God didn’t have to become human to take on all of our sins but He did and this is the ultimate of love from Him.
garydt on December 25, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Each man attempts to create God in his own image. God Himself does not exists. He is being itself, beyond essence and existence. Therefor to argue that God exists is to deny Him.
Tav on December 25, 2008 at 4:11 PM
I watched most of this broadcast from…France.
Eventualy I had to switch the tv off. Whilst I am all for freedom of expression, dinnerjacket is brazenly venal and seems to revel in his unpleasantness. His cut-rate attempts to co-opt Christian doctrine into Iranaian Shi’ite psycho-politics is admirable for its brass but otherwise quite appalling.
I think he should be given enough rope to hang himself, but personally I find him rather distasteful. Amongst his many, many faults he seems to have ’short man syndrome’ – at best he is a midget falling down trying to over-compensate.
Ares on December 25, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Yup, I’m going to be swayed by those of you who have opinions about my faith and I will put my eternal soul in the hands of people that know nothing! Makes perfect sense to me…
sabbott on December 25, 2008 at 5:21 PM
right4life,
No Santa did not get me a prayer rug.Is everyone who does have one a terrorist or evil?
Is their freedom of religion in your great land?
I never said he inspired me.There is no defeat in knowledge
and different views,even if you don’t agree.
All i am saying ,is that the spin put on this here is way from reality.
We do not give a toss,nobody is arsed about this.
It has nothing to do with appeasing Muslim’s.
Was the U.S appeasing Muslims when ahmadinejad spoke at Columbia uni?
mags on December 25, 2008 at 6:06 PM
I, Amendment X, on this Christmas Day, do hereby volunteer to give the Alternative Ramadan message on Iranian television.
Please, no thank yous are necessary.
By the way, I’ll be doing the broadcast from a remote location.
Amendment X on December 25, 2008 at 6:08 PM
I can think of no finer way for the
OnceGreat Britian to honour the passing of useful idiot Harold Pinter.RobCon on December 25, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Let’s not be too hard on Channel Four. MSNBC will probably have Ahmadinejad on next Christmas.
RobCon on December 25, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Tav,, What verses or text do you use to claim that humans try to create God in their own image? Most Christians use the bible as their resource. I would trust that over some what philosopher says we do. The philosophers proclaim their own theories without any text on who God is. If you were gambling over this you have lot better odds sticking with the bible.
garydt on December 25, 2008 at 11:12 PM
yeah pretty much….show me all the ‘moderate’ muslims protesting the terrorists in the streets…I won’t hold my breath….
yes…but there won’t be much longer in your once great land…when sharia is implemented…but there’s not much freedom now is there, unless you’re a muslim??
link
don’t want to upset the ‘yutes’ now do we???
Ahmadinajad wants to conquor the west..and turn it muslim…would you feel the same way about Hitler speaking on British TV??
yeah I know…THATS THE PROBLEM!!!
absolutely yes. but the libs LOVE the muslims….hopefully they’ll be the first in line on the chopping block!
right4life on December 25, 2008 at 11:19 PM
right4life on December 25, 2008 at 11:22 PM
well Hotair reported it as fact…
link
so is the dailymail and hotair a joke too?
the only joke here is you. but soon the joke will be on you…and it’ll be the muslims doing the laughing!!
right4life on December 25, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I’m sure someone like you won’t have to worry about the dull knife though…sounds like you’re already bending over for the muslims as fast as you can..inshallah moron.
right4life on December 25, 2008 at 11:39 PM
What the muslim world does not realize is
1. they are all blind to the truth of the bible
2. God is giving all of us the chance to repent and accept Jesus the Christ as lord and saviour
3. Once the world has made its choice (and it is your own choice)
God himself will close the door and call all the Christians HOME..
what is sad about this is
1. No matter how much you appeal to the world to believe in Jesus Gods son most wont listen
2. Satan (using Islam has blinded the hearts of over 1 billion muslims destined to spend eternity in hell due to the lie called Islam)
3. the rest of the world will actually be GLAD once ALL the christians are gone for they actually believe they will have word peace
And they will for 3 1/2 years before world war 4 starts.
its really sad to watch MORONS like the news team above actually helping satan by spreading the LIE of ISlam all over the world..
Come quickly Lord Jesus
jcila on December 26, 2008 at 1:03 AM
Well, that was predictable. I was waiting for someone to bitch about evil channel 4 since I heard it on the news last night.
You know, the same evil channel 4 that was being lauded as doing what the US news networks wouldn’t do with “undercover mosques”
But hey, whatever, this is channel 4. All evil, all the time. Nothing good ever comes out of a news channel, especially from England.
I know! Boycott channel 4! yeah!
And Merry Christmas =)
Reaps on December 26, 2008 at 2:10 AM
European liberals always assume that anyone who wants to murder them and destroy their way of life must, in all probability, have a good reason for wishing to do so.
This peculiar self-destructive tendency may actually be rooted in the liberal’s honest self-assessment.
morganfrost on December 26, 2008 at 8:31 AM
Liberals very well understand that “western values” are derived from Christian ones and that is why they so hate “western values”.
For the average liberal western and christan values are the greatest evils on the world and must be eliminated at all cost. They will gladly take down a country or kill billions in order to create their utopia without Christ. They side with Islam or any other anti-christain religion or cause because to them they are useful tools in the cause.
Liberals are anti-religion, anti-west and pretty much anti-human and will do what it takes to create their ant mound utopia were every one knows their place.
jmarcure on December 26, 2008 at 9:02 AM
If Christ were on earth today, Ahmadinejad, you would receive instant justice. You will receive, just not as soon.
Aronne on December 26, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Right4life,
Let me explain what we have in common.The British empire tried to redefine the middle east.It was noted then that stripping countries of it’s natural resources and identity does not go down well. So we have third and fourth generation immigrants brought up here and see themselves as British.
Immigration from these countries now is a huge problem.They are called asylum seekers here ,coming from countries we are bombing.
Sometimes it is hard to criticize this without sounding racist,and political correctness has gone mad.
What pisses everybody off is the entitlements available for them.Worst still is attitude.
I work in the N.H.S as a midwife and they seem to come off the plane straight to me.Although generous of spirit,it is very hard to stay smiling when they complain.
I had some tool from Afghanistan complaining about air conditioning-THEY LIVE IN CAVES!
I am seeing female genital circumcision.Following a delivery the husband wanted me to re-suture his wife back to it-I refused.
The West is under threat from extremist,immigration and multiculturalism is and will cause problems.
What we disagree on is how to go about it,why can’t we have
a different approach,whats best for the U.S doesn’t mean its’s best for the U.K.
We have had a counterinsurgency war for 30 yrs,mistake were made,but we have to learn from it.
I.R.A ’suspects’ were interned without trial,this made the militants recruit.
We used torture,which was condemned internationally therefore weakening us politically on the world stage.
At no point was carpet bombing Dublin an option.It was intelligence which made them implode.
It’s all coming out now ,Britain had informers in senior positions in the I.R.A /SinnFein.
The number 3 in SinnFein was outed.He was found with a bullet in his head a few weeks later.
I am sure mosque’s here have been infiltrated,It was intelligence from these sources that helped prevent operation’s,this is shared with the U.S.
Bombing the shite out of Pakistan would not of helped.
The U.K people are stoic,and do not want terrorism to have the power to affect us.Hence we don’t give a toss and we are not arsed.
The day after 7/7 people swarmed to take the tube .
We have to learn from our history ,wouldn’t you?
Be kind to me it is christmas.
mags on December 26, 2008 at 10:27 AM
The british empire had no choice…what else were you going to do with the collapse of the ottomon-turk empire??
when did the british, or the US do that? the arabs are swimming in oil money are they not? if we ’stripped’ them, then why are they so rich? I hear the same old BS charge with Africa…look at how much better Africa is without Britain…Zimbabwe anyone????
and they’re not a problem…my wife is an african lady that is as western as anyone you would meet…and she doesn’t take for granted the freedom we have, unlike so many lazy, indolent natives. you obviously have many immigrants ‘asians’ ie muslims who do NOT assimilate, but want to remake britain it britainistan….
the british bombing??? what countries are the BRITISH bombing??? please. you let in a lot of pakistanis and africans in order to find workers in your ‘dirty’ jobs, because the british natives are too damned lazy to do the work, preferring to remain on the dole.
yeah welcome to the welfare state…where you OWE the indolent, lazy, etc a living. socialism is just wonderful isn’t it??
yeah its very sad…but this is the problem with lack of assimilation..
the main threat is the lack of a will to defend our culture…if we had that we wouldn’t have the immigration polices….
we just defeated a counterinsurgency in iraq…both the US and britain have done it and know how to win that kind of war.
as we’ve seen no matter what you do to the ‘insurgents’ it will be called torture…there is a vast islamic propoganda machine, as there was a red propoganda machine…you do what you have to do and the hell with the ‘critics’. the US shot german spies in wwII after about a month…why shouldn’t we do the same with the gitmo murderers? do you want them living in your town??
you might want to talk to Obama about that…he’s the one who is talking about invading pakistan…most conservatives are not…but pakistan is a huge problem…not only for us, but for India…it seems war between them is inevitable…
we haven’t learned that we are in an a war that has gone on for 1,400 years and will not stop because we don’t want to fight it anymore. we’ve lost the guts to defend our culture, and confront islam…
that was yesterday..happy boxing day!
right4life on December 26, 2008 at 10:44 AM
and yes the US does the same damned thing…bring in a bunch of mexicans to do the ‘dirty work’ that the natives don’t want to…or at least at the price the elites like mccain want to pay to have the brown-skinned serfs do their yard work….I think it gives people like mccain and bush a feeling of power…they like being called ‘bwana’ by their serfs whom they benevolently care for…
right4life on December 26, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Is it the class system in Britian that makes people accept the controlling media?
I used to watch a lot of BBC programs on CBC in Detroit but gave up decades ago as it slid into anti Christian, anti American steady states.
There is a similar movement in our class ridden media. Christmas programming on non church networks was empty of religious Christmas references but filled with tons of negative programs.
There were kid movies about Santa, saving Santa, elves, snowmen, reindeer all towards getting the gifts out but no church spires or bells. Charlie Brown’s Christmas with the reading from Luke was nowhere. Dickens had little play but there were upteen shows about little kids sad they didn’t get enough. Ted Turner ran his 24 hour Christmas story marathon about the boy who craved the BB-gun, hoping to resurrect the world of his youth and to block out the sounds of carols to the birth of Jesus.
The upper crusties who own British media also work to erase patriotism, which is as stupid as you can get, considering they promote a nuclear tyrant who would erase them.
The Ancient Romans chose gods like lucky charms but did not believe beyond superstition. Experts in suicide they perfected the technique of cutting veins open while in a tub of warm water to speed death. This is the final destiny of the nihilist who finds no joy in his empty world.
Why British nihilists would rather erase their successful culture and let the void be filled with the enemies of their culture would make a Roman consul wonder of their sanity
entagor on December 26, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Righty,
The muslim’s born here for generation’s and consider themselves British, are the problem here.
Some identify with their ‘oppressed’ brothers,not their fellow citizens.
They think they are soldiers,we treat them like common criminals.This approach pissed off the I.R.A who considered themselves political prisoners.
At the time Thatcher said a terrorised is a terrorist is a terrorist .Put them in prison clothes and go through the system like any thug.
Ten I.R.A men died on hunger strike because of this.These muslim’s are shackled to rapists and paedophiles-hardly 70 virgins.
It is no being a martyr.
We are all trying to introduce tougher laws without losing
what we stand for and the rule of law.
As you said assimilation is a problem,when i refused to participate in continuing female circumcision ,can you imagine how he was looking at me.
I was able to tell them it is a barbaric crime not condoned here.I am sure he had heard that from the first time.
Invading Iraq and Afghanistan as a coalition has sent refugee’s here,of whom we are stuck with,can’t seem to get them back to rebuild their country.
However,you have to accept that this is a tiny tiny amount of people,and honestly you are overplaying the issue and reaction to this threat.
mags on December 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Ummmm don’t they believe that Christ will destroy Christians for being polytheists who distort his name? Merry effing Christmas, Christians!
Doppleganker on December 26, 2008 at 2:07 PM
yes they do…so you, and the rest of the west, should kick them out. but we won’t cause we’re gutless. and YES they are soldiers…this is WAR…and it has been for 1,400 years between islam and all that is not islam. you do not understand what kind of struggle we are in. its never ‘over’ until armageddon…get a clue.
see this is precisely what is wrong. this is not a police action, its not a crime…its a WAR..get it WAR. these people in club gitmo are not POWs, they’re not criminals, they are in WWII what we would have called spies and sabouteurs…to be tortured and executed without mercy. and until we start doing that..then we’re losing this war…did our soldiers in Iraq and afghanistan read these wackos their ‘rights’ before we killed them?? no obviously not.
this is such BS. did we lose what stand for when Roosevelt, that liberal god, killed the germans who landed in NJ after about month, by firing squad?? no obviously not. these people are NOT criminals, they are NOT POWs they deserve no legal protection…sorry, get a clue. the US is not here to extend the privileges of our citizenship to the world. the left is absolutely nuts as hell to do this. I hope obama releases those gitmo scum, and they go into blue areas, full of democrats, and murder them. let them live with the consequences of their beliefs. hell with em.
no it didn’t. britain has been importing muslims for years to do the dirty work. all you have to do is kick them out…but that takes guts, and the west has lost its guts long ago, thats obvious. what do you think Charles Martel would be doing about now? hmmmmm?? and yes it takes some brutal actions sometimes….firebombing tokyo….nuking hiroshima….firebombing dresden…to keep from losing what you stand for…and if you don’t have the guts…and britain clearly does not…and I’m afraid we don’t either…then learn to live with sharia law…and more 9/11s….
you’re a fool who does not understand the great issue of our age. you need to read history 101…and try to understand the nature of our islamic friends…they don’t quit…even if you do. there is no quarter….no peace…there is only victory, surrender, or death. you’d better get used to it…and you’d better wake up, and see the signs of the time…did you know the anti-christ, the beast BEHEADS those who oppose him…did ya ever wonder where he gets this idea??? hmmmmmm???? give ya a clue about whats coming???? hmmmmm???
right4life on December 26, 2008 at 2:31 PM
right4life, cut to the chase. You’re king for the day. How would you solve the “Islam problem”?
dakine on December 26, 2008 at 5:46 PM
we’re going to have to do as our forefathers did, and kick them out of the country…as spain did. we also need to become energy independent, and deprive them of the oil money they use to empower radical islam. at the same time, hunt down the radical elements, and kill them, as the Israelis did with black september…
I know we’re not going to do these things…but Islam is headed for another end…see Ezekial 37-39…
right4life on December 26, 2008 at 5:56 PM
I am afraid Right4life is correct and the Muslims want it only one way. When in minority they want all the rights and privileges that are afforded minority religions and races. Once they are in the majority then they will demand and get that all religions except Islam is allowed. They of course are unable to break the personal relationship that Christians have with their Saviour (Jesus Christ) but they will make persecution upon them and even death. Many Christians will have to die for their faith in the near future. The press and government doesn’t see it this way but they are slowly aiding the muslims by being political correct.
garydt on December 26, 2008 at 6:17 PM
You sound like an Islamofascist.
lexhamfox on December 26, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Your choice of name right4life,who are you suggessting has a right to life,just American embryo’s.Is there no indication to destroy a life to save a life.But wholesale slaughter of muslims so you can feel ’safe’ and collateral damage is fine.
I have never read such scarey views coming from a christian,you do sound as irrational as the muslim extremists.
There is no way to discuss or debate issue’s with you.Terrorists do not have to kill to cause terror.They have won with you,you are petrified of everyone,have a total lack of empathy,fearing others,wanting gross acts of violence and a primitive approach to understanding of the world,you are so full of hate and no concept of who is the enemy.
That said i do not wish you well.
mags on December 26, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Honestly i meant to say i do wish you well.Sorry
mags on December 26, 2008 at 8:09 PM
The ‘class system’ as popularly understood from the early 1900s consisted of a set of attitudes and for most practical purposes those attitudes died-out two or three decades ago.
Besides, ‘the media’ are not really controlling but merely loudly and cluelessly exercising their freedom of speech. The problem is that there is nobody else with a similarly loud voice to offer an alternative to their withering nincompoopery.
I really wish I could agree with you but I don’t. The amount of a poison is only one parameter, we also need to know its toxicity, whether it is increasing or reducing. We also need to know the potency of the antidote and whether that is available in sufficient quantities.
What we see in the UK is an extremely toxic substance circulating increasingly freely in increasing amounts. The antidote is reducing and already thinly stretched.
Islam has become accepted as a ‘normal’ part of society which is about as dumb as accepting a malignant brain tumour as a normal part of good health.
Right4life, you may well understand the problem but how about proposing some practical solutions, not just dreamworld stuff like mass deportations. Its easy to mock those you have declared to be ‘fools’ but is that really helpful?
You mentioned that ‘we’ don’t have guts. Lets assume that that is true … so what can ‘we’ do about it. How do ‘we’ stimulate the necessary courage within ourselves and our compatriots. Truth and other virtues are under attack from Islam on one side and Liberals on the other. The apparatus of the state (legislation and civil service etc) supports the presence of the Muslims and the Liberals. If the nations are to be saved it has to begin with a non-state initiative or an external state initiative. What do ‘we’ do?
The only practical way I can see of doing that is evangelism. Instead of evicting Muslims they must be turned. The contemporary UK and USA were both built on foundations that derive much of their character from Christian concepts and values. How do ‘we’ reinforce those foundations bearing in mind that both the Muslims and Liberals are working to undermine them?
YiZhangZhe on December 26, 2008 at 8:42 PM
you not only sound like a moron, but you are one.
right4life on December 26, 2008 at 9:27 PM
lets see the british engaged in the wholesale slaughter of germans so they could feel safe…are you sorry they did that??? ever hear what happened at Dresden?? which the BRITISH firebombed??? it was pretty ugly.
I didn’t advocate the ‘wholesale’ slaughter of muslims..nice of you to lie about me, but no surprise. I was merely referring to the fact that we have had to do some pretty ugly things to protect ourselves…and we may have to again…and your little whine about ‘torture’ is laughable.
yeah energy indepence is REAL SCARY!! boo. you’re an idiot. Europe is faced with a choice of becoming muslim, or deporting the muslims….do you have any other solutions??? didn’t think so.
its hard to debate with someone who has to lie about what you say. I don’t ‘fear’ others…I only fear God. people like you are the enemy of freedom…
I wish you good luck under sharia law…which people like you richly deserve.
right4life on December 26, 2008 at 9:33 PM
uh yeah sure…right.
right4life on December 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM
very true…many christians are dying and being enslaved by the oppressive fascist religion of islam right now….and of course none of these ‘caring’ people like mags don’t care at all about the murder of christians by muslims.
I hope people like mags get to experience all the ‘blessings’ of dhimmitude…but they’ll probably convert to islam in a NY minute…
right4life on December 26, 2008 at 9:37 PM
very good question, and very good points. given what I think is happening, there is really nothing we can do except try to evangelize muslims and convert as many as possible. but given the signs of the times, islam will win in the short term..they will have their ‘mahdi’ the beast, the anti-christ…and given the mass delusion in this world today, he will be welcomed as their savior. the whole ‘obama is savior’ thing was rather frightening and showed the level of delusion in the world today.
If we had a national will to do anything, becoming energy independent would eliminate the source of the funding for radical islam…what would the muslims do if they didn’t sell their oil? they have no other commerce or resource that anyone else needs.
right4life on December 26, 2008 at 9:42 PM
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