Disgrace: Ahmadinejad to deliver “alternative” Christmas message on British TV
posted at 1:14 pm on December 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
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On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me: A terrorist Holocaust-denier invited by useful idiots to tell me why Jesus would want Iran to have the Bomb.
Full transcript at the Times of London:
If Christ were on Earth today, undoubtedly He would stand with the people in opposition to bullying, ill-tempered and expansionist powers.
If Christ were on Earth today, undoubtedly He would hoist the banner of justice and love for humanity to oppose warmongers, occupiers, terrorists and bullies the world over.
If Christ were on Earth today, undoubtedly He would fight against the tyrannical policies of prevailing global economic and political systems, as He did in His lifetime. The solution to today’s problems is a return to the call of the divine Prophets. The solution to these crises is to follow the Prophets – they were sent by the Almighty for the good of humanity…
We believe, Jesus Christ will return, together with one of the children of the revered Messenger of Islam and will lead the world to love, brotherhood and justice. The responsibility of all followers of Christ and Abrahamic faiths is to prepare the way for the fulfilment of this divine promise and the arrival of that joyful, shining and wonderful age. I hope that the collective will of nations will unite in the not too distant future and with the grace of the Almighty Lord, that shining age will come to rule the earth.
And the predictable defense:
Dorothy Byrne, head of news and current affairs at Channel 4, said: “As the leader of one of the most powerful states in the Middle East, President Ahmadinejad’s views are enormously influential.
“As we approach a critical time in international relations, we are offering our viewers an insight into an alternative world view.”
In the U.S., the fault line between acceptable “alternative world views” and perspectives so vile as to be unfit for public consumption is a preacher who’s done good work for AIDS victims but is tepidly opposed to gay marriage. In Britain, it’s this turd — and as it turns out, he’s on the right side of the line. This is the same cretin who humiliated British sailors on worldwide television; who provoked an international standoff over a nuclear program that will end up starting an arms race in the Middle East; and who’s been sending weapons into Iraq for years to do to British soldiers there what was done in Afghanistan to last year’s “alternative message” presenter. It’s because of all that, not in spite of it, that he’s being handed this platform — on Christmas Day, as a de facto rebuttal to the Queen, to invite his audience in a thinly veiled way to convert. Imagine the contempt you’d have to have for your country to give him the opportunity.
But then, this is Channel 4. Among Britain’s many useful idiots, they’ve been very useful indeed, especially during yuletide. Exit question: Any chance of a boycott, British readers?
Update: Here’s the real point, belatedly. If it’s all about insight into “alternative world views,” why not just interview him and run it on Friday? Why give him the Christmas slot? There’s no way to read this except as a middle finger.
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Is there such a thing as a GOOD British media outlet? Any at all?
MadisonConservative on December 24, 2008 at 1:18 PM
While they’re at it, why don’t they just give him his own radio talk show, “Living Jihad”? Giving a microphone to this incredibly small minded man is like turning a camera on a Hollywood actor. They just can’t resist saying something stupid.
When intelligence gives way to political correctness (which this NOT) a recipe for disaster is brewing.
Kill ‘em all, let Allah sort ‘em out!
theRealMcCoy on December 24, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Good Lord…
cntrlfrk on December 24, 2008 at 1:23 PM
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDk0MjFlYzcwOTRmNDJiNzcwZTg2MGY1NTVhODA2ZmM=
Headline of the day, from Mark Steyn:
“Feliz ‘dinejad!”
Mark1971 on December 24, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Code Pink’s Santa List:
Rick Warren – Out.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – In.
locomotivebreath1901 on December 24, 2008 at 1:25 PM
-heh-
Religious_Zealot on December 24, 2008 at 1:29 PM
aka the Times of Londonistan.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 1:30 PM
The Tiny Terrorist of Teheran
pseudonominus on December 24, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Unf!@#ing believable!!
Britain has been declining in baby steps for years but every once in awhile, like today, it takes a big leap towards its inevitable death. Did I see Steyn mentioned in a previous post? “America Alone”? You bet.
CarolynM on December 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM
What they will not allow is the mainstream viewpoint of Christmas. England is systematically purging all public expressions of Christianity on grounds that Muslims might find them offensive. Today’s BBC would never hand over a block of airtime to a believing Christian to talk about the meaning of Christmas.
Alec on December 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM
perhaps a rabbi to speak for Ramadan?
rob verdi on December 24, 2008 at 1:32 PM
CarolynM on December 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Baby steps?
They’ve been in full dhimmi mode for quite a while.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 1:32 PM
I stand corrected. Thank you. And Merry Christmas.
CarolynM on December 24, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Oh yea, I remember when Jesus fought against the oppressive, imperial Romans and denounced their illegal occupation of Palestine, and the oppressive shekel-based economic system
Greenhelmet on December 24, 2008 at 1:35 PM
At which time Jesus will inform the world that he is not the son of God but just one of the many prophets and secondary to Mohammed. He will tell Christians they got it all wrong about all that salvation stuff.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 1:36 PM
CarolynM on December 24, 2008 at 1:33 PM
And a very Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Funny, Jesus Christ is, allegedly, recognized as a Prophet by Muslims, yet, they disregard the words of the Prophet and find a need for Muhammad.
Mark 14:61 – … Again, the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? [62] And Jesus said, I am: …
John 4:25 – The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: … [26] Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he, …
John 9:35 – Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? [36] He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? [37] And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
Oh well, so much for the words of the Prophet.
OhEssYouCowboys on December 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM
So when the Islamic Holiday’s come around, the Times of London will be running a story about how Mohammed was a pediphile?
PappaMac on December 24, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Oh Channel 4 has always been the terminally hip channel which likes to stick a finger in the eye of the boogiewasie at holiday time. One year they had some Muslim woman complaining about not being able to wear her hijab as the alt Christmas message. Anything to insult Christians on their major holiday. It’s kind of pathetic really, given that Christians must be a minority in Britain now. They should stick them all in a museum.
MargaretMN on December 24, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Didn’t Hitler have AN ALTERNATIVE WORLD VIEW?
Didn’t Hitler BOMB THE HELL OUT OF BRITISH PEOPLE DURING WWII?
Didn’t the British learn anything from Chamberlain fiasco? Those who don’t learn from HISTORY are doomed to REPEAT IT.
Dr Evil on December 24, 2008 at 1:44 PM
You think this isn’t a sign of what Osama Obama’s America will be?
I fully expect to see Mad Mahmoud at nest year’s White House Eid Dinner, exchanging gifts with Bomber Billy and the rest of the terrorists and race-baiters in The One’s extended family.
MrScribbler on December 24, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Check out the related links on the Times of Londonistan page.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 1:48 PM
I think he’s right. “Jesus” would oppose most of what’s going on in the world today…in every nation.
narrow gate, indeed.
bridgetown on December 24, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Hey Moron Mahmoud! Broadcast message for you!
Jesus was JEWISH.
As in the Nation you want to turn into a smokey hole in the ground, which is actually your general definition of leading “the world to love, brotherhood and justice.”?
pilamaye on December 24, 2008 at 1:51 PM
This guy is a real comedian. This is totally designed to get the West’s knickers in a twist, yet all it does is make me laugh at how truly bizarre he is. Should Christians riot and burn him in effigy? How about issue murderous threats towards him? Mr. Ahmadinejad and his administration’s use of religion to creat ‘the other’ and incite rage and hate could learn a lot here.
His talking about what Jesus would do or think is just about as valid as the same thing coming from Charles Manson.
krl on December 24, 2008 at 1:52 PM
I was born in England 56 years ago, the son of a Church of England priest and former Royal Marine chaplain in WWII. We celebrated Christmas in the traditional English way and Christmas dinner was always timed so that we could watch the Queen’s speech as a family afterward. My father would stand at attention during the national anthem and have tears in his eyes as she came on air and god-forbid that anyone made a sound as she was speaking to us.
Today I am an American citizen and US Army veteran and thank God I made the decision to leave England in the 1970’s. But I mourn for my homeland and what’s become of it. The Church of England has become a shadow of its former self and the PC crowd is close to destroying everything I grew up to value and respect. My poor father is spinning in his grave.
Incidentally, this Easter I will complete the RCIA program and become a Catholic. Sorry dad, but I get the feeling you understand and approve.
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Ahmadinejad’s Christmas message:
“I keel you.”
Pelayo on December 24, 2008 at 1:52 PM
“God save the Queen……….”
Seven Percent Solution on December 24, 2008 at 1:55 PM
It’s not a political speech, like say, the State Of The Union, so why is there a “rebuttal” necessary?
Is this a small taste of what life may be like under the fairness doctrine? If Sean Hannity offers a “Merry Christmas” on the air will they have to allow time for an opposing religion as well?
redshirt on December 24, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Don’t worry, if the economic pessimists are right this guy will not be around too much longer. As crude oil sinks his noose tightens.
However the stupid multiculturalists will still be with us.
patrick neid on December 24, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Bit redundant isn’t it?
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 2:00 PM
It’s happening here, too. It’s incremental; but it’s happening.
Socialism must attempt to eliminate Christianity, so that the State will be supreme.
Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism. – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
OhEssYouCowboys on December 24, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Maybe, just maybe this is the old school mentality of appeasment by the British establishment that has forgotten cowering to the brutality only delayed the inevitable.
Rovin on December 24, 2008 at 2:01 PM
They just need to change all of the programming to reruns of Monty Python. Their news has become a parody skit of political correctness anyway.
kirkill on December 24, 2008 at 2:02 PM
So, clearly, He would be in opposition to Iran, right?
Count to 10 on December 24, 2008 at 2:05 PM
He is an antichrist.
Drum on December 24, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 1:52 PM
There’s No England Now
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:05 PM
I told my family about it and naturally they made it clear it’s not going to be watched in this house, that’s for damn sure. Personally I never watch channel 4 anyway.
As for a larger scale boycott? I don’t know, lots of young people who are too stupid to understand that some people do, really, want to kill us because of what we believe in.
MattMacD on December 24, 2008 at 2:06 PM
MattMacD on December 24, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Oh, and my dad intends to call channel 4 to complain.
MattMacD on December 24, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Trafalgar, I am at least six generations away from my English and Welsh roots, and I believe I understand your feelings. I fear that the Islamification of England and Europe is irreversible. I cetainly hope not.
Congratulations on the citizenship. Remember, you can no longer spell anything with “our” as in colour, valour, labour, honour, and so on.
What is happening in Europe now is our future here. I live in East Tennessee, and the things I hear from Dearborn Michigan and Minnesota are very discouraging.
Pelayo on December 24, 2008 at 2:07 PM
I think that you’re missing the point somewhat. Its not the Muslims who are destroying Britain (at least not yet) but the British/EU establishment itself. They initiated mass immigration, multiculturalism and anti-discrimination laws.
They are the ones who have made it illegal to say boo to a Muslim and if Britain is occupied territory (and I think it is) then in my opinion they will have to be dealt with first. If it were up to you what would you do? How would you rescue Britain?
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:09 PM
So you get the Queen on one channel and Ahmadinejad on another. Who cares?
In one corner — The British monarchy killed about a million over the years in Ireland, never saw the error in their ways (or apologized) in slave trading, decimated the Aborigine population in Australia. I won’t bother with the death and destruction related to centuries of colonialism.
In the other — Another in a long line of little Iranian pisant terrorists.
Am I comparing the two? Not really but with the British public tolerance of the monarchy and their atrocities, who is surprised that a segment of the population would want to give this d-bag a platform.
grdred944 on December 24, 2008 at 2:12 PM
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:09 PM
That is rather like saying gangs are not destroying our cities, it’s the politicians who pass weak laws that are destroying our cities.
The British are acting like dhimmis because the Muslims demand it.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:14 PM
When Dinnerjacket typically speaks to the West, he makes sure he invites us to join Islam- supposedly, you have to invite the infidels to your religion three times before attacking. Did he already invite the West three times? He must have, since this would have been the ideal opportunity for him to welcome the Infidels of Britain to Islam.
Unless he already considers Britain to be an Islamic nation.
shibumi on December 24, 2008 at 2:14 PM
shibumi on December 24, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Excellent points.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:16 PM
I wonder if Ahmadinejad is just puffing up his “honor” by insulting the west. When the west does not respond with protests/riots and calls for his death, his “honor” society presumes that the west is cowed and has given its “honor” up ot him.
The analogy of a school playground seems apt here.
Count to 10 on December 24, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Okay, fine. That was just my opinion but its open to challenge.
I’m more interested in my thought experiment anyway. Its 2008, Neville Chamberlain has just stepped down from office and Disturb the Universe (or whoever) is the new Prime Minister.
So what is your first order of business? What do you do?
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Thanks for that. Ah, The Kinks…another memory of growing up English!
Here’s one back at you
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=syqQdfWO6KY
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Absolutely. You can give “alternative views” without turning your front page over to them.
As if, anyway, these “views” aren’t given a hearing.
SteveMG on December 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Alright, I’ll be your Huckleberry.
For starters I would tell the Muslims they could continue to live in England as long as they stopped making stupid demands like banning Piglet and St. George.
Those who refuse to assimilate would be deported back to their homelands.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Thanks. Such a beautiful country with so much to treasure. So sad so few realize.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:28 PM
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Since we can time-warp in your thought experiment and Chamberlain has just stepped down in 2008, my first order of business would be to appoint Enoch Powell as Minister for Immigration
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 2:30 PM
I’m sure Prince Charles is wearing his Christmas Fez and praying to Mecca
Kini on December 24, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Thats doesn’t strike me as being Churcillian.
An enemy population residing within Britain and all they would have to do is cool it with the culture war in order to show they’d assimilated?
Given what we know about Islam that strikes me an unwise course of action. I’m going to have to give that a fail. Thanks for at least responding though.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:33 PM
This guy is clueless. How can someone that is eating with the swine even fathom what any enlightened Being would do under any circumstance?
DL13 on December 24, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Thats what I was looking for. Basically mass deportation at the very least. Also secession from the EU and repeal of the anti-discrimination laws.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:35 PM
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:33 PM
You asked for my first order of business. What did you want me to say? Throw them all in concentration camps?
What do you think Churchill’s first order of business would have been?
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:37 PM
That works for me, too.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:38 PM
God save the UK….
d1carter on December 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Not sure about mass deportation; however, selective deportation of the instigators of the Muslim takeover. Definitely seccession from the EU though.
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Mass deportation of all Muslims? Regardless of mind set and behavior?
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:41 PM
Channel 4 strive to be controversial.You are giving them more power and influence then they deserve.
Others asked to send a message have been,Brigitte Bardot,rev jesse jackson,sharon osbourne,marge simpson ,borat.They tried to get Dame Elton John.
Some veterans have done as well.
It usually goes head to head with the Queens speech,this year it’s going to be later.
By that time many will be playing twister and getting into positions that would make a whore blush.
So what? Why fear his words,by doing that you are making him more relevant.
mags on December 24, 2008 at 2:44 PM
When I asked “So what is your first order of business? What do you do?” the latter question was meant to ask what would you do in general.
Obviously not.
He’d remove them from the country en masse – just as he organised the removal of 16 million Germans from their homes in Czechoslovakia, Poland and other countries.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Everyone should have ignored Mein Kamp, too.
Oh, wait. They did.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:47 PM
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:35 PM
This Churcillian enough for you?
The River War – Winston Churchill, 1899
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 2:47 PM
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM
That would be effective, but the world-wide condemnation would be huge.
It’s like the Japanese Internment Camps in the U.S.
Can you imagine that happening today?
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Still trying to decipher Jeremiah Wright’s “alternative world view” of Pearl Harbor day. I think having an “alternative world view” means you’re an _____.
whitetop on December 24, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 2:47 PM
A great leader, and prophetic, too.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:54 PM
It wouldn’t necessarily have to all be done in one fell swoop. It would probably be best to start by deporting agitators and limit the practice of religion ton encourage others to leave.
But a desirable end result would the reduction of the Muslims to near undetectable levels. Its not like they will be missed by anyone. Except maybe the Labour Party.
The problem is not the mindset of individual Muslims but a religion (Islam) which calls upon its adherents to permanently subjugate, kill and convert of all non-believers. Only disowning Islam through public apostasy would be enough.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Yes he was both. However, his mistake was in believeing that Christianity would prevent Islamic take-over of Europe. Now that Christianity is by and large out of the picture in Europe, the take-over is proceeding rapidly.
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 2:56 PM
True. Very true. But how to get the average bloke to realize this? I have tried to get friends to read Robert Spencer’s books to no avail.
I agree but feel mass deportation would only alienate the general public and create sympathy for the devil
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 2:56 PM
And it doesn’t help that they are reproducing at alarming rates while the Europeans are declining in number.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Yes, that is a very good quote and nicely segues into what I was saying above that “[i]ndividual Moslems may show splendid qualities” but that doesn’t mean any high concentration of Muslims should be permitted to settle in Britain.
No it doesn’t seem likely at the present moment. When I initially raised the prospect of a non-liberal solution your knee-jerk reaction was to ask about concentration camps.
My point is that if it doesn’t happen then the West will be destroyed therefore it must happen. It would have once been unimaginable for millions of Muslims to be living in the West in the first place. If they can arrive, they can also be made to leave
But it’ll only happen if people are willing to support it, which I do. At the very least anyone suffering from Chamberlain/Churchill Personality Disorder (as a lot of commenters on this site are) should have no problem taking a similar stand on this issue and being unafraid of liberal opinion.
I would apply the same argument for removing the 20 million or so illegal Mexican migrants from the U.S.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Perhaps if the more radical ones were deported the less devout would revel in the freedom to explore more Western ideas.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Sorry about the knee-jerk reaction. I’ve been having trouble with that particular knee lately. :)
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Again, I agree. However, look how hard it is to get the average person fired up about this and these people are here illegally.
Problem is most of the Muslims have come here legally.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:11 PM
The other side of the problem is, of course, the antipathy and anti-British feelings of the British themselves. Thhey have become so ‘nanny-stated’ that most will no longer get off their arses to get themselves a cup of tea, let alone rise up against the overthrow of their country. Gone is the ‘Land of Hope and Glory’, gone are patriotism, civility, the church, discipline, education. An essential part of the solution rests in restoring those values and beliefs to the British people. How do we accomplish this?
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Churchill also failed to make a convincing argument for preventing foreign immigration to Britain in the first place. In his book Churchill: The Unexpected Hero (Oxford University Press, 2005, p. 233), discussing Churchill’s second government of 1951-55, Paul Addison writes:
“He tried in vain to manoeuvre the Cabinet into restricting West Indian immigration. “Keep England White” was a good slogan, he told the Cabinet in January 1955.”
Our hypothetical Prime Minister would have to do what Churchill and Enoch Powell failed to do: articulate a coherent moral rationale on which to oppose mass Third World immigration. Powell was denounced as racist as might Churchill have been if the Conservative Party had been foolish enough to run with his slogan.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Oh, and as a former English prep-school and public (private) schoolboy, gone too are canings for miscreants. Bringing that back would go a long way. It worked for me!
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 3:16 PM
If someone as eloquent as he could not make a convincing argument I wonder who could.
I don’t have a problem with immigrants if they are willing to embrace Western ideals. It’s multicultural education that has eroded the influence of Western thought to the point where many abhor their own roots.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Haha.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:24 PM
The main thing to keep in mind though is that the instinct for self-preservation cannot be completely extinguished from people no matter how brainwashed and demoralised they have previously been.
Also I would consider winning people back to Christianity an urgent necessity.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Oh…as PM can I fire Rowen Williams? If so, that would be my first move.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:30 PM
I don’t think he knew how bad things would get, that it would mean the end of Britain itself. If he did I’m sure he would not have given in so easily.
Powell seems to have been far more prescient and might have gotten the Conservative nomination and been election Prime Minister if Ted Heath hadn’t won election in ‘74.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Churchill: The Unexpected Hero (Oxford University Press, 2005
I will buy this book as my second Christmas present to myself.
My first was Robert Spencer’s Stealth Jihad.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM
I do worry though that the ultimate nanny-state now existing in Britain has all but eliminated the self-preservation traits of individual Britons. They have a history of standing up to threatened invasions for almost a thousand years, but now seem individually and collectively unable to raise much concern about one that has already occurred, let alone do anything about it. It’s the “I’m alright Jack” mindset taken to an extreme.
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Yeah, I would hope so! He gives
CoE clergymenintellectual hippies a bad name.aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Rowan Williams is Welsh…enough said!
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Hey, I have Welsh blood in my veins. But I’m still going to fire him when I become PM.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Sorry too for just quoting myself!!
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Its certainly an uphill struggle, I’ll say. But I’m a real never-say-die type. We’ll have to see how events play out.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 3:40 PM
I have English blood, too. And Irish. There’s a veritable war going on in my bloodstream.
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:44 PM
I’d recommend Hitler and Churchill: Secrets of Leadership by Andrew Roberts as well. Its pretty short, I got it out of the library one day.
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Hey, I have CofE clergyman’s blood in my veins. And my CofE priest father named me after William Temple and Michael Ramsey, both great Archbishops of Canterbury. Regrettably, all three are now rotating rapidly in their graves!
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 3:47 PM
aengus on December 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Thanks. I’m always in the market for a good book. Especially ones that shore up the gaps left by an American public school education. :)
Disturb the Universe on December 24, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Jesus Christ has nothing to do with today’s hebrew nation…
In case you didn’t know…the “israeli” hebrews in palestine OPPRESS and PERSECUTE Christians there to this very day.
The judaizers are no friend of Christ.
In fact they are the opposite.
Judaism is an anti-christ religion(as is islam).
SaintOlaf on December 24, 2008 at 3:51 PM
I’ll go ahead and say that if this occurs, and we see “signs and wonders” with it, we will be seeing not Jesus but a false prophet and the anti christ…FOR REAL. At that point, we have to know that the only book which foretold all this would be the bible…and it also tells the end story. Be reconciled to God, friends!
Mommypundit on December 24, 2008 at 3:53 PM
But without Judaism there would be no Christianity
Trafalgar on December 24, 2008 at 3:54 PM
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