Cheney the worst VP? Hardly!

posted at 10:54 am on December 23, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

The good news from this CNN poll is that 77% of respondents didn’t choose Dick Cheney as the worst VP in American history.  Unfortunately, that leaves 23% as the rate of historical illiteracy in the US:

A new national poll suggests that almost a quarter of Americans think that Dick Cheney is the worst vice president in American history.

Twenty-three percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday say that Cheney is the country’s worst vice president, when compared with his predecessors.

An additional 41 percent feel that Cheney is a poor vice president, with 34 percent rating him a good number two.

No, what this poll suggests is that almost a quarter of Americans have no grasp of our own history.  The question itself is rather silly; it’s almost as trenchant as asking who makes the worst fast-food taco.  Vice Presidents have little real impact on policy, unless they become President through succession or election.  They do nothing without the endorsement and forebearance of their presidents, which makes the idea of best and worst in class almost entirely meaningless.

However, let’s offer three examples that should have rendered the question entirely moot:

  • Aaron Burr – The only VP to kill a man in office.  He shot the Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton, in a duel after Hamilton (reportedly) deliberately shot wide.  (Cheney shot a man by accident, who survived, but there’s a thin parallel for Cheney haters.)  Burr had to flee to South Carolina while VP to avoid prosecution for murder in New Jersey  Later, he formed his own army and by several accounts intended to rebel against the US and form his own nation in the Ohio valley.
  • John Calhoun - One of the men who inspired the Civil War and an outspoken proponent of slavery.  He served as VP to both John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson, resigning under the latter to take a seat in the Senate.  He championed “nullification”, the supposed right of states to supercede federal law when they disagreed with it, and the right of secession.  More than most, he amplified the bitter divisions between the South and abolitionists and set the stage for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans as well as the extension of slavery for decades.
  • Spiro Agnew – The only VP to resign because of criminal charges, this really shows how illiterate the CNN respondents had to be.  After all, Agnew resigned just 35 years ago, and he worked for Richard Nixon, one of the most reviled presidents in history.  Agnew pled guilty to a failure to report income in order to avoid charges of bribery during his tenure as VP and as governor of Maryland.

No matter what one thinks of Dick Cheney, he hasn’t done anything to eclipse these embarrassments in the American historical record.  I myself think Cheney’s done a good job, but I would allow that history may prove differently.  The burden of history will really fall, as it should, on George Bush.

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Its an insult to both Bush and Cheney to have these threads about them being possibly the worst in history. They are no where near the worst and we are giving into the left by doing so. Let the nuts on the left talk about this.

lavell12 on December 23, 2008 at 2:14 PM

If the VP’s job is to support administration policy, Thomas Jefferson may have been the worst VP in history. He pretty much did everything that he could to undermine John Adams.

good point, you are right. Different ballgame for VP back then though. It was a bad setup

Jefferson was deluded into thinking we should be on the side of France instead of UK in that conflict and thought the French Revolution was the same as our Revolution, amazingly.

jp on December 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM

gridlock2 on December 23, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Considering the fact that there has been only two VPs in the last 10 years, that’s not much of a recommendation.

MarkTheGreat on December 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM

I can think of over 100 countries, any of which was much weaker than the US, and they survived the 20th century.

MarkTheGreat on December 23, 2008 at 1:25 PM

none of those nations were the primary military force fighting the Nazi’s and Japanese, and later on going head to head with the Soviets for world domination.

My point is the current world order may be very different(and bad) had the US not stayed united going into the 20th century.

jp on December 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Had Truman not defeated Wallace, he would’ve been up there for sure. Being either the ultimate useful idiot or possibly a KGB spy and all. Not to mention the leader of the “Progressives” which are so abundant today.

Had Wallace beat Truman, which he nearly did, he would’ve been POTUS after FDR died and Commie Spy Alger Hiss would’ve likely been his VP.

jp on December 23, 2008 at 2:32 PM

The fact that the media thinks they need to insult Cheney with these crap polls where liberals can skew the result should tell u something…

Dritanian on December 23, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Wish he was about 15 years younger…We could really use him going forward.

Cheney Rocks!!!!

BigWyo on December 23, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Cheney = Alpha Male, something that is despised in our culture

jp on December 23, 2008 at 2:43 PM

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed into law by LBJ, a Democrat.
Texas Gal on December 23, 2008 at 1:08 PM
If it hadn’t been for the Republicans in congress, it never would have passed.
MarkTheGreat on December 23, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Furthermore, EVERY Civil Rights Act legislation was supported by Republicans in greater numbers as a percentage than Democrats. Additionally, the KKK was founded originally as an arm of the Democratic Party.
BKennedy on December 23, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Yes the CRA of 1964 was pushed by the Republicans in Congress and up until that point most of the Blacks in the South were Republicans including MLK. However LBJ signed that Bill at the behest against his better judgment because Robert Kennedy convinced him that the Act would serve to flip the Black voters in the South to the Democrats and it did. Actually the foundation for the CRA was laid by President Eisenhower, a Republican. But I betcha you won’t find many Blacks today that understand that the Democrats do not represent the Party that brought them equal rights because they have been educated that it was LBJ that did it.

Texas Gal on December 23, 2008 at 3:26 PM

I thought Burr tried to conquer Texas and make a southwest empire.

Scranton on December 23, 2008 at 3:26 PM

I thought Burr tried to conquer Texas and make a southwest empire.

Scranton on December 23, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Kinda of.. but it was his plan to have land for himself and an armed militia when war with Spain broke out.

The Wikipedia.

Texas Gal on December 23, 2008 at 3:52 PM

I have always been a huge fan of Dick Cheney, and I really wish he wouldn’t take himself out of public life. In fact, if not for the political morons on the liberal side spewing hatred towards Bush/Cheney, if Cheney ran for president I’d gladly work his campaign. He tells it like it is, whether you’ll like it or not, and he doesn’t take crap from anyone. Want to see the terrorists run with their tails between their legs? Put Cheney at the switch and terrorists (and hopefully democrats) would cease to exist.
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We haven’t seen better than Cheney, and I doubt we ever will.

stacman on December 23, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Well, he is admitting things lately.

http://murraywaas.crooksandliars.com/2008/12/23/exclusive-cheneys-admissions-to-the-cia-leak-prosecutor-and-fbi/

Hunting for a pardon instead of a lawyer?

getalife on December 23, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Another point of historical illiteracy:
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It was the DEMOCRATS, under the very racist President Woodrow Wilson who RE-segregated the US Civil Service under his administration, after the Republicans had desegregated it decades before, after the Civil War and after the Republicans had pushed through the 16th Amendment, outlawing slavery.
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It was also southern Democrat Senators who managed to stall by filibuster in the Senate any Congressional civil rights legislation.
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Going farther back, it was also the post-Civil War southern Democrats who helped foster the birth and robust longevity of the Ku Klux Klan in the South. This is not to say that the North was discrimination-free, but it was the Democrats who Jim Crow’ed the South.
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IMO, it was the Democrats, particularly southern Democrats, who delayed the Civil Rights era by a half century in America. Had it not been for the Democrats, the post-WW2 Civil Rights era would have probably been the post-WW1 Civil Rights era.

DavePa on December 23, 2008 at 4:56 PM

WUPS, my bad. It was the 13th Amendment, ratified in 1865, that outlawed slavery. (The 16th Amendment, allowing a federal income tax, was ratified in 1913.)

DavePa on December 23, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Jumping in late:

Cheney is the best VP ever. He took an office that was generally regarded as a joke and turned it into a productive, useful, dynamic position that helped to strengthen our government – all well within the confines of the Constitution, which is what really ticks off his critics.

Much of this credit must also go to George Bush, who allowed Cheney the room to make the VP a serious position in his administration, but Cheney was instrumental in realizing the potential.

Dick Cheney will be sorely missed. I always felt better with him serving in the government. History will be very good to Dick Cheney. Very, very good.

progressoverpeace on December 23, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Bush and Cheney are the worst U.S. President and V.P. respectively who were elected and served in this millennium.

Of course, given those criteria, they were also the best.

I ignore polls like that. Too much angst.

“Worst ever” from people who almost certainly have no historical perspective? Sounds like a teenage girl’s diary when she writes about the boy she likes asking someone else to the dance.

malclave on December 23, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Typical answers ……

“I don’t know.”
“Is that FDR?”
“Was he on Hogan’s Heroes?”

They voted him worst ever? They do even know who he is.

fogw on December 23, 2008 at 11:18 AM

When we were first married, we had 2 cockatiels. You could repeat almost any word to them and they eventually started to repeat it / speak it. It’s the same with many consumers of the MSM.

Red State State of Mind on December 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM

If the VP’s job is to support administration policy, Thomas Jefferson may have been the worst VP in history. He pretty much did everything that he could to undermine John Adams.

My collie says:

Which just goes to show that it’s a good thing that a presidential candidate gets to choose his running mate in our current system.
CyberCipher on December 23, 2008 at 1:58 PM

well, as you know, back then the VP was the runner up to POTUS, prior to an Amendment to the Constitution….. Personally, I wish we had kept it the way the Founders intended it to be. Having the VP as a counterbalance would generally result in less getting done, and when government does less, we usually benefit.

Red State State of Mind on December 23, 2008 at 6:58 PM

If the VP’s job is to support administration policy, Thomas Jefferson may have been the worst VP in history. He pretty much did everything that he could to undermine John Adams.

My collie says:

Which just goes to show that it’s a good thing that a presidential candidate gets to choose his running mate in our current system.
CyberCipher on December 23, 2008 at 1:58 PM

I think the Founders got it right in the original Constitution prior to the Amendment regarding VP. When the VP was the runner-up to POTUS, there was more of a counter balance and less was done. When the government does less, we typically benefit.

Red State State of Mind on December 23, 2008 at 7:00 PM

I saw the Fox interview and I have to say that Bush made his mistakes for several reasons, but his enduring gift to the country was naming Cheney his VP. I loved the way the man gave that interview and Wallace seemed to go with it. Cheney saved the USA from further terrorist attacks, IMHO.

I hope to hear more of him in the future. He’s a man of substance.

JAW on December 23, 2008 at 7:35 PM

In the words of Jim Craig from “the man from Snowy River”

A man can be hard to find in the mountains, Dick Cheney, your welcome at my fire anytime.

Kevin in Southern Illinois on December 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM

What does ‘worst’ mean? If you consider the fact that he had to cover for a complete incompetent for 8 years he can hardly be considered the ‘worst’.

Vernon Hardapple on December 23, 2008 at 10:43 PM

Cheney remains a cipher and I’d like to know what influence he had in reality. Was he playing the expected role of funeral-goer for an awful administration or did he have some positive influence? I don’t believe anything that comes from the MSM and wonder if we’ll ever know the truth.

Somebody knocked Bush in the head over Harriet Miers and I can only imagine that it was Karl Rove.

Feedie on December 23, 2008 at 10:55 PM

I liked Cheney. I would have rather had him for president.

Ernest on December 24, 2008 at 8:58 AM

What does ‘worst’ mean? If you consider the fact that he had to cover for a complete incompetent for 8 years he can hardly be considered the ‘worst’.

Vernon Hardapple on December 23, 2008 at 10:43 PM

By that standard, wouldn’t Mondale be number one?

Snowed In on December 24, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Bush and Cheney are the worst U.S. President and V.P. respectively who were elected and served in this millennium.

malclave on December 23, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Again, Spiro Agnew was a convicted criminal, and worse by far than Cheney.

Jimmy Carter was worse than Bush, FDR was worse than Bush. Here’s why: while there are bad Bush policies that will affect us for a few years, the moonbats that are coming in office will eradicate those policies, as well as a few good ones. FDR has been dead for years, and is still boning the American public.

The only reason Carter doesn’t get as bad a rap as he deserves is because Regan cleaned up after Carter’s mess.

Go out and pick up a book instead of buying the garbage that CNN shoves down your throat.

leetpriest on December 24, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Heck what about Lincoln’s first VP who spent darned near his whole first term in Maine

karasoth on December 24, 2008 at 12:25 PM

umm, I think you’ll find some disagreement and some other history on this one by some southern conservatives bushwackers / dead-enders.

FIFY

rokemronnie on December 24, 2008 at 1:04 PM

IMO, it was the Democrats, particularly southern Democrats, who delayed the Civil Rights era by a half century in America. Had it not been for the Democrats, the post-WW2 Civil Rights era would have probably been the post-WW1 Civil Rights era.

Before he changed parties to get access to committee appointments when the Democrats lost control of the Senate, big Dick, Shelby (R., Mercedes/Toyota/Honda/Hyundai) was a Dixiecrat.

rokemronnie on December 24, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Dick Cheney is the deputy version of Cincinnatus.

progressoverpeace on December 24, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Dick Cheney is the ablsolute best! I love that man. Character counts and he has plenty of it. Honest and trustworthy. He is a good man and has been a great VP. I do wish he were healthy enough to take on the Presidency. Lord knows we are screwed for the next 4 years.

BetseyRoss on December 24, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Andrew Johnson is easily the worst, by a landslide. He was Lincoln’s last mistake — a Democratic Vice President who opposed everything the Republicans stood for with respect to slavery. Upon Lincoln’s assassination, he became President. He set the stage for continued civil rights abuses by proclaiming the military occupation of the South to be at an end, allowing restoration of former Confederates to public office. and allowing reconstitution of southern state militias (most of which wore Confederate gray, and who were at the forefront of suppression of freedmen rights). These rights abuses would last for the next century. For an instructive intro, google “johnson stanton grant” — there’s ample material on why Johnson wound up being impeached. If a Republican vice president had assumed office, the civil rights abuses promulgated by Johnson would have been nipped in the bud, and we would be much further along the road to racial equality.

unclesmrgol on December 24, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Aaron Burr – The only VP to kill a man in office. He shot the Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton, in a duel after Hamilton (reportedly) deliberately shot wide.

They accepted a duel, those were the consequences. That is hardly anything that would qualify as “worst VP” material.

rokemronnie on December 24, 2008 at 1:08 PM

At least you say who they’ve sold their office to after their party name.

Feedie on December 23, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Or it’s an easier way to slip your desired candidate in while they criticize Miers, the decoy.

leetpriest on December 24, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Reagan’s mess is finally being cleaned up, a few years too late. The only parts that remain are in the South. That’s what you get when you have practically every golf cart transplant owning a member of Congress.

Panama, Iran, and activist (lifestyle) environmentalism are the only faults I’d put with Carter. FDR – he cleaned up the mess Hoover built up with credit.

sethstorm on December 25, 2008 at 3:02 AM

Dick Cheney is an advanced cyborg produced by Haliburton in conjunction with Blackwater.

Ares on December 26, 2008 at 3:29 AM

Why do so many people seem to forget that CNN is a television news network run by liberals for the benefit of liberals? And that the news media was corrupt in the 08 election? Seems pretty simple for me to remember.

Travis1 on December 26, 2008 at 4:47 PM

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