Surprise! Banks won’t tell where bailout money goes
posted at 7:59 am on December 22, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
When the Bush administration first proposed the TARP bailout plan, it gave Henry Paulson absolute authority to spend the money without any oversight. Congress eventually balked and forced the White House to accept transparency and accountability, but they didn’t adjust when Paulson suddenly dropped the idea of buying toxic assets and started sending cash to banks instead. The bankers who got bailout money now won’t say where the money went:
It’s something any bank would demand to know before handing out a loan: Where’s the money going?
But after receiving billions in aid from U.S. taxpayers, the nation’s largest banks say they can’t track exactly how they’re spending the money or they simply refuse to discuss it.
“We’ve lent some of it. We’ve not lent some of it. We’ve not given any accounting of, ‘Here’s how we’re doing it,’” said Thomas Kelly, a spokesman for JPMorgan Chase, which received $25 billion in emergency bailout money. “We have not disclosed that to the public. We’re declining to.”
The Associated Press contacted 21 banks that received at least $1 billion in government money and asked four questions: How much has been spent? What was it spent on? How much is being held in savings, and what’s the plan for the rest?
None of the banks provided specific answers.
To be fair, Matt Apuzzo framed this in an apples/oranges manner. Lenders want to know how borrowers will spend the money, but they don’t have the right in most circumstances to demand an accounting of the money after they lend it. However, given the public nature of the money and their pleadings for it, the banks should be offering transparency rather than opacity.
Don’t be surprised when the automakers act the same way. How dare we know how our money gets spent, and whether we’re ever going to see it again? The only difference between bankers and automakers is that the latter wants a second serving at the taxpayer trough. Congress will make them talk about how they spent the first $17 billion before finally rolling over and giving them a bigger bailout in March. After that? It won’t be anyone’s business, especially with Chrysler, which is privately held and has no stockholders and disclosure requirements.
This isn’t really the fault of the bankers, nor the automakers when they inevitably offer the same response. It’s the fault of the bailout industry that has suddenly arisen in Washington DC. Had the government stuck to the original plan and simply bought up the mortgage-backed securities that poisoned the marketplace, taxpayer liability would have been limited and bankers would have no reason to discuss their internal workings. Instead, we have become the guarantor of all failing businesses large enough to have a political impact, replacing capitalism with a strange politiconomy without any accountability anywhere.









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The biggest heist evah!
Talon on December 22, 2008 at 8:05 AM
It’s going to be a bonanza writ large for Dem special interests, from unions to teachers to lawyers to wind mills.
petefrt on December 22, 2008 at 8:05 AM
I welcome the coming collapse of capitalism as a result of this irresponsible bailout scam, thanks for all the memories America.
Viper1 on December 22, 2008 at 8:13 AM
Lexington Green. Dawn. Be there.
Bishop on December 22, 2008 at 8:17 AM
The banks that have commented have said that money is fungible so that they can’t possibly differentiate between the government’s money and other money. However, when asked about executive bonuses they were certain that they didn’t use any government money for that. They were sure to grab a different stack of Benjamins from the vault.
What Treasury did may have been necessary, but they certainly have done a bad job of articulating the nature of the crisis and the rationale for the solution.
dedalus on December 22, 2008 at 8:21 AM
Didn’t FOX Business file a freedom of information suit?
KBird on December 22, 2008 at 8:27 AM
Just one of the aspects of socialism.
Phil Byler on December 22, 2008 at 8:30 AM
Our bloody stupid Congress did not demand that they be accountable, but that doesn’t excuse these morons.
Now we all know the real financial crisis- there was a real danger that banking executives would not get their multi-million dollar totally undeserved bonuses.
That’s a crisis.
NOT ONE MORE PENNY FOR THESE IDIOTS.
drjohn on December 22, 2008 at 8:32 AM
The money line?
Kelly, it’s NOT YOUR MONEY.
drjohn on December 22, 2008 at 8:34 AM
You can’t call it Free market Capitalism when the government keeps intervening whether thru the CRA, Fannie & Freddie or the Fed’s printing money and setting interest rates as if money were not a commodity. The government was counter-productive in making the bailouts but the banks would have been stupid not to accept.
The bailouts just prolong the time when we run up debt before we have to pay the piper. Our problem is debt and cannot be solve by borrowing from the future.
Laurence on December 22, 2008 at 8:36 AM
More good news about your government stealing your money:
The front page of the WSJ today says that “Developers Ask U.S. For Bailout As Massive Debt Looms”
Once again, instead of losing their properties resulting in some new winners emerging, another industry wants to cancel capitalism when it’s down, and screw the little guy again. But it’s Christmas, so expect Bush & Co. to show some of that compassionate
conservatismsocialism.JiangxiDad on December 22, 2008 at 8:43 AM
Where is MY bail out money?
It is none of your business on how I spend it [PORN]. /sarc
DannoJyd on December 22, 2008 at 8:44 AM
I wonder if anyone remembers the saving and loans fiasco. This bailout makes that look like pennies.
Rode Werk on December 22, 2008 at 8:52 AM
This is the end of capitalism as we know it in our lifetimes.
Any favorable conditions for the free market will only happen… fifty years or so from now. That’s how long it took for this country to return the last time, remember? (1929-1981)
newton on December 22, 2008 at 8:55 AM
I’ll tell ya writting comments and making calls is nice, but when oh when do we tate it to the streets. At least the Gathering of Eagles
folkspeople suit up and show up!sonnyspats1 on December 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM
Gracias Senor Bush!
angryed on December 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM
My guess is the banks are withholding the specific details for competitive purposes. If Bank A knows that Bank B spent half its bailout money on raising its reserve ratio, for instance, and Bank A only spent one third of its bailout money on that, Bank A can lower its interest rates more steeply to attract more business.
The irony, of course, is that my bankers are telling me that many banks had to take the bailout as a competitive measure. Banks with bailout money have a competitive advantage over those without. It was kind of like the airline bankruptcies; one airline would go into Chapter 11 and get its debt forgiven/restructured, allowing it to drop fares below what other airlines could, driving those airlines into bankruptcy too…
Fortunately for us taxpayers, the bailout money is a loan, and theoretically the banks have to pay it back with interest. So hopefully in 5 years we’ll get a good 70-80% of the TARP money back. Let’s just hope that little secret stays out of the public limelight when Obama spends his $1 trillion on economy-stimulating pork and then asks for another $500 billion a year to nationalize health care and retirement plans… We can say “we’ve already spent trillions, we have to stop!!!”
Outlander on December 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM
Hah. I practice lender side creditor’s rights law and trust me when I say, developers suck. I’m foreclosing on a ton of them right now… These guys are some of the biggest jerk debtors out there. They bring lender liability claims against the bank when the bank goes to foreclose, they stall, delay, cajol, and harass, and basically take the view that the bank should be their business partners rather than their secured lender. They NEVER have a plan to fix their failed development or commercial complex or whatnot–it’s just “give us more time.” Apparently they need the time to lobby Washington for a fricking bailout!
Outlander on December 22, 2008 at 9:09 AM
There should be strings attached to this money.
1. Any company accepting bailout money should freeze wages for executives and suspend any bonuses.
2. Any purchase of foreign companies (like a Chineese bank) should be subject to review.
3. Full transparancy should be required of all companies receiving this money.
Hind sight is so much better than fore sight.
The Rock on December 22, 2008 at 9:12 AM
Man’s Plans- God Laughs…That About Covers it. J.B. White, “Folly” The model our Government uses isn’t the best.
Related subject because J.B., is a Gator’s Fan.
Gators vs Sooners, Coach Stoops used to be the Defense Coach for the Gators…That is going to be an interesting match. I am a Bama Fan “Roll Tide Roll” I was watching Tebow during the Gator-Tide Game, Good Luck Sooners ;)
http://rattlergator.typepad.com/rattlergator/2008/12/folly.html
Dr Evil on December 22, 2008 at 9:27 AM
and interest rates are down and no one can borrow on it. Lovely. I’m sure the Bahamas has a Bankers special running about now.
johnnyU on December 22, 2008 at 9:32 AM
Another nail in the coffin to free market ideology. It’s been so lovely to see this system completely crash to the ground. Capitalisms brief period of stablity from WW2-70s was guaranteed by what? That’s right, marxist reforms that kept things under control. But it only took one generation after those reforms were stripped away by Reagan, Clinton and Bush II for us to officially return to the 1880s. Boom, bust, boom, bust, oligarchs control government, boom bust. Looks like another progressive will have to step in and put checks and balances back in place.
DeathToMediaHacks on December 22, 2008 at 9:34 AM
How does one say where money goes? Anything that the bank spends money could equally well be said to be where the money is going. The banks are right not to say where the money is going.
What we really need in exchange for money from the government is complete transparency of how the banks are spending all money. Also, the execs of the banks getting money should be forced to return all compensation (beyond some business related perks like country club memberships) above $100,000.
thuja on December 22, 2008 at 9:36 AM
This just confirms my view that the US Constitution and the Republic I have sworn to defend most of my adult life died on 3 Oct 08 (the day the TARP was passed). After listening to UAW Boss Getilefinger flip everyone the finger this morning on Fox Business News with the same old tired liberal union talking points I have absolutely no doubt we have seen the end of the free market. I guess it is time to go down to the local GM dealer and demand my free brand new tricked out 4 x 4 pickup truck after all me, my wife, children, and grandchildren will be paying for it along with the rest of these damn bailouts. It will be a very cold day in hell before our family every buys a vehicle from and automaker required to survive on our tax dollars.
Retired USAF on December 22, 2008 at 9:40 AM
The gov’t is frantically trying to re-inflate the economy. To do this, they’re printing as much money as possible and trying to flood the economy with it. My expectation is that the price we’ll pay will be huge inflation down the line and a further devalued currency. When inflation hits, we may be repaid these loans, but they will be in greatly devalued dollars with much less purchasing power. Somehow I think this is part of the plan of the many massive new debtor companies, and the fed. gov’t as well. Hold on to your hats. Buy gold.
JiangxiDad on December 22, 2008 at 9:50 AM
It’s going to be the late 1970s all over again, and I’m positively terrified of it. “Stagflation.” The sad thing is that it will largely be Bush’s fault. I think the only thing preventing massive inflation right now is the staggering loss of value in the stock market (which does not directly affect the money supply, but I believe does have an indirect effect). But yes, I expect to see huge inflation in 2009 and 2010. It’s why I’m looking to actually buy some real estate come around March… Buy low, get a good interest rate, and hunker down for the next 5 years.
Outlander on December 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM
It won’t be capitalism that will collapse. It will be the government controlled economy that will collapse.
You put the 500 pounds of pig iron on a thoroughbred and then are amazed that he collapses at the clubhouse turn? I’m amazed that he was able to even get close to the first turn!
Amendment X on December 22, 2008 at 10:08 AM
What government controlled economy? Where have you been man? The SEC has been watching porn on the internet instead of monitoring folks like Bernie Madoff. Republicans and free market people pushed through a massive deregulation of wall street under Clinton that allowed these credit agencies to do whatever the hell they wanted. Naked short selling, bundling securities, massive unregulated speculation, ponzi schemes, and you’re claiming there were massive government controls? Wake up!
DeathToMediaHacks on December 22, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Why not call it what it is? Fascism, plain and simple. There isn’t a hairs breadth of difference between what the Feds are now doing and Mussolini’s governance in the late 1920s. And who should be surprised? If the basic driving ideas are that spending/credit creates wealth (which is nonsense) and that wealth is illegitimate unless it “serves the people” (which is worse than nonsense) it could not have turned out otherwise.
Jeff Perren
JDPerren on December 22, 2008 at 10:51 AM
I’m claiming that we have a government controlled economy?
Damn right I am!
Try to download the Federal Register in less than a month on a T1 line.
Got a question for ya- tell me everything you know about the mohair subsidy. How’s ethanol working out there in the non-government controlled economy? Search out some images for those new oil refineries for me, will ya? If I were an orange grower and you saw an orange in my orchard, on one of my trees that you wanted to buy, and that orange were 3.25″ in diameter and I sold and you bought it, which one of us just broke a federal law?
Madoff? People were warning the SEC in 1999 about Madoff. SEC took a decade long coffee break.
Notice you didn’t mention the CRA, Freddie and Fannie BTW.
Amendment X on December 22, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Government is big. That isn’t evidence that government “controls the economy” forgive me for demanding specificity.
These are new regulations? And these are the regulations that led to an over speculated housing market? This caused naked short selling? This led to the end of our manufacturing economy as corporations sought out cheap labor overseas? How odd. I don’t see those huge structural explanations for our current economic state lying in silly subsidies and orange growth regulations.
I think you have a point about ethanol subsidies. I’d much prefer we think about sugar rather than corn.
That’s my point. SEC didn’t do shit, i.e. regulate the economy as is their job.
Yes I discussed the bundling of mortgage securities, the elimination of credit standards and wall street deregulation.
DeathToMediaHacks on December 22, 2008 at 11:29 AM
- Obama set to be crowned king in January.
- Congress moves to give away huge amounts of cash with no accountability under cover of the failed housing market. Which they created.
- Politically important businesses being paid off with Billions of taxpayer dollars.
- CEO’s collecting large sums of money as a reward for helping to elect Obama and their assistance in creating this current “economical crisis”.
- Congress moves in to nationalize Banking.
- Congress moves to nationalize the Auto industry.
- Congress moves to nationalize health care.
- congress moves to nationalize ………………….
Everything goes as planned Comrade …..
Badbrucskie on December 22, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Yep.
Bugler on December 22, 2008 at 11:45 AM
How government caused the present crisis:
IBD on Subprime
History of the Crisis
Myth of Laissez-Faire
There are numerous editorials on IBD explaining exactly how the Feds created the conditions (though they don’t talk much about the Federal Reserve monkeying with interest rates and the money supply) that led the present situation.
Contrary to your assertion, it is not the purpose of the Federal Government to regulate the markets. They have a valid role to play in preventing fraud, as in the Madoff case (or any other). But the Constitution does not empower them to create Fannie Mae, HUD, the SEC, nor pass Sarbanes-Oxley, etc, etc.
I’ve no doubt none of this will change your view, but if you at least want to read a solid case for the other side, you might look at some of these references.
JDPerren on December 22, 2008 at 11:49 AM
People can blame banks if they want to……but the criminal culpability in all of this rests solely with government representatives, principally Barnie Franks and Chris Dodd.
They designed this catastrophe, propped it up, kept it running, and have milked it for everything they can.
They should be rotting in jail.
So what happens, they become the “spokemen” of the solution.
It is truly Bizarro world.
What our country has become is EXACTLY what the Founding Fathers sought to prevent.
notagool on December 22, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Bovine Excrement. Citigroup has already gotten a second serving – with no hearings, no grandstanding about corporate jets, no oversight.
Speaking of corporate jets, for what does a bank need a corporate jet? Everything banks do, short of signing actual documents, can be done electronically or via videoconferencing. When an assembly line is down, you need engineers and troubleshooters there now and every hour of standing in line at the airport can mean literally millions of dollars of lost production. But, hey, running a call center makes someone an expert about manufacturing.
When we don’t have a supplier base left for what remains of our manufacturing sector we can always buy weapons from China, right?
rokemronnie on December 22, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Another paper pushing parasite. Of course if the banks didn’t get the TARP funds, you wouldn’t be able to charge them $300/hr.
Lawyers are the main reason why the economy is so messed up. They control the legislatures and Congress, passing all sorts of laws with arcane language that benefit lawyers more than anyone else. Litigation drives the cost of everything up. Since your fellow lawyers established the precedent in the tobacco litigation, I say that there should be a 50% special tax on lawyers’ fees, with criminal penalties if they pass it along to clients, and that money should be used to fund a national health care program to offset how much lawyers have driven up the cost of medical care.
First thing we do, let’s tax all the lawyers.
When pulled over in a traffic stop, have you ever handed the cop your Bar card with your license?
rokemronnie on December 22, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Yes, far better to buy a vehicle from a Japanese company, receiving government assistance from Japanese taxpayers and from incentives from Southern state governments using funds made available by the IRS’ looting of the industrial midwest.
Thank you for your service. Enjoying your pension? Can anyone in the private sector retire on a full pension after 20 years?
rokemronnie on December 22, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Thank you, that was excellent satire and I definitely chuckled. But I warn you, there actually are people who think like this, or, if not quite this outlandishly, pretty close.
Splunge on December 22, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Yeah, and it’s all George Bush’s fault. Congress has clean hands on this. Yeah, and I’m the tooth fairy.
GarandFan on December 22, 2008 at 2:18 PM
(Cough) Ed, have you never heard that money is fungible, one dollar bill is just like another. So it is impossible to tell where any given dollar came from or went.
The banks are being asked the wrong question by newsies. What we need to know is more specific, how is the bank spending its budget? How are the employees, stock holders, and most important executives being fed money? How are they paying off their own loans issued by other institutions? Then we need to vet this and suggest to the banks that some of the expenditures may look questionable leading to extreme parsimony for future funds grants.
But, really, if I have a dollar bill in my wallet and I spend it at the market does it matter whether that dollar came from change for a gasoline purchase last week or from a shoe box underneath the bed where it’s been gathering mold for two decades? Either way, I had one dollar, received another, spent one, and ended up with one. Does it matter which one? And how would I track this?
{^_^}
herself on December 23, 2008 at 5:52 AM
Instead of penalizing hard working taxpayers with a Crap sandwich, the should elinminate the tax on bank interest, and provide matching funds for xxxx of cd purchases with one year minimum. Aka, solve the problem from the grass roots up, not top down.
droofus on December 23, 2008 at 11:37 AM