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Fort Dix jihadis convicted of conspiracy, face life in prison

posted at 3:22 pm on December 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Remember them? They wanted to kill soldiers, so they went off to the woods for the requisite weapons training/screaming about Allah and videotaped themselves doing it — before dropping the tape off at Circuit City to be transferred to DVD, an encounter that gave rise to one of the immortal lines of the war on terror. It’s been awhile since I read about the case but I do vividly recall Olbermann’s pointed skepticism that “six morons” could have posed any threat to Fort Dix personnel, notwithstanding the fact that they were shopping around for automatic weapons and RPGs. That’s known in legal parlance as an “overt act,” incidentally. And an overt act plus an agreement to commit a crime equals — well, this:

The defendants were acquitted of attempted murder charges but face life in prison for conspiring to kill military personnel. The federal jury spent about 38 hours deliberating over the past six days…

Prosecutors said the men bought several assault rifles supplied by the FBI and that they trekked to Pennsylvania’s Pocono Mountains to practice their shooting. The government also presented dozens of jihadist speeches and videos that the men supposedly used as inspiration…

“I think they were in the last stage of planning,” then-U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie said at the time of their arrest. “They had training, they had maps, and I think they were very close to moving on this.”

He added: “This is what law enforcement is supposed to do in the post-9/11 era — stay one step ahead of those who are attempting to cause harm to innocent American citizens.”

In Olby’s defense, he didn’t really say anything about this plot that he doesn’t say about all of them. Exit question: You know who owes the FBI an extra debt of gratitude on this one? ICE.

Update: Olby Watch ponders how the hour of spin will spin this.


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Weebork on December 22, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Thank God for the actions of the Circuit City clerk.

aunursa on December 22, 2008 at 3:24 PM

And now Circuit City is in bankrupcty restructuring. A patriot, terrorist-plot bustin’ chain like that deserves a bailout.

BadgerHawk on December 22, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Patriotic. I didn’t mean to imply Circuit City busts patriots.

BadgerHawk on December 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Olbermann dismisses all of these terror plots as being hatched by idiots, calls the Republicans terrorists for arguing that liberal policies will make us less secure and then remains silent when Democrats say we’re less safe under Bush because he has angered the Islamic world through his policies.

Yes, a trifecta in journalistic hackery.

Our generation’s Edward R. Murrow, they say.

Murrow, somewhere, is weeping.

SteveMG on December 22, 2008 at 3:28 PM

It was a teenage clerk.

They handed the teenage clerk a mini-cassette tape from a camcorder and asked for a $20 transfer to be made to DVD. As they waited, the two men calmly walked around the store looking at televisions, video games and DVDs.

What they didn’t know was that they had sealed their ultimate fate.

When the teen and another employee went into a back room and began the conversion of the tape, they saw a group of bearded men wearing “fundamentalist attire” and shooting “big, f-ing guns,” the teen later told co-workers.

Throughout the 90-minute-long tape, above the booming gunfire at a Pennsylvania target range, the jihadists could be heard screaming “God is great!”

The two employees “freaked out,” their co-worker recalled.

At first, the teenage clerk didn’t know what to do, his pal said.

“Dude, I just saw some really weird s-,” he frantically told his co-worker. “I don’t know what to do. Should I call someone or is that being racist?”

The fellow employee tried to calm his friend and told him that if what he saw terrified him so much, he should tell the police.

The teen first consulted with a manager before making the 911 call.

FBI agents got a copy of the tape from Circuit City, and went to the teen’s house and interviewed him at length.

That call to authorities set in motion a 16-month undercover investigation in which six of the men caught on tape chillingly discussing killing soldiers “in the name of Allah.”

aunursa on December 22, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Guys, I got some of my electronics, including our two TVs from Circuit City.

All I can say, though with an ugly base of asthmatic driven bronchitis…

TAKE THAT CAIR!

BobAnthony on December 22, 2008 at 3:30 PM

In Olby’s defense, he didn’t really say anything about this plot that he doesn’t say about all of them.

In other words, Olby is at least a consistant idiot.

Disturb the Universe on December 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM

A patriot, terrorist-plot bustin’ chain like that deserves a bailout.

BadgerHawk on December 22, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Well, it was the clerk who did that, not the chain itself.

Though, we’ve already given money to less deserving companies.

Esthier on December 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Just waste ‘em.

blatantblue on December 22, 2008 at 3:37 PM

You said ‘Olberman’ and ‘moron’ in the same sentence….

“Dude, I just saw some really weird s-,” he frantically told his co-worker. “I don’t know what to do. Should I call someone or is that being racist?”

Yeah, it’s come to that..

Good Lord.

BigWyo on December 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Esthier on December 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Heh. I was joking. I’m against bailouts. But I would like to buy that clerk a beer.

BadgerHawk on December 22, 2008 at 3:40 PM

“Dude, I just saw some really weird s-,” he frantically told his co-worker. “I don’t know what to do. Should I call someone or is that being racist?”

PC is going to get us all killed…

Kafir on December 22, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Great news indeed.

Wonder when the ACLU and CAIR will get involved, if not already.

mindhacker on December 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Heh. I was joking. I’m against bailouts. But I would like to buy that clerk a beer.

BadgerHawk on December 22, 2008 at 3:40 PM

It is so hard to tell. Sorry. But I’m with you on that one. I’d buy him a beer, a shot, dinner… We don’t celebrate our heroes enough.

Esthier on December 22, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Circuit City clerks on the front lines against terror..you gotta love it! Good job young man.

Mason on December 22, 2008 at 3:51 PM

I would imagine the Left is not giddy but somewhat pleased that some teenager paused to question whether his thoughts were racist. PC mindthink is working for them but probably a bit too slow.

grdred944 on December 22, 2008 at 3:52 PM

See, there really are conspiracies in the world. Try to remember that the next time you feel like calling someone a “conspiracy theorist.”

Maxx on December 22, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Try to remember that the next time you feel like calling someone a “conspiracy theorist.”

Heck, as I told the comedian Mort Sahl (he believes JFK was killed by a conspiracy of, well, everybody in government) once, two people having lunch is a conspiracy.

It’s what they’re discussing that’s critical.

SteveMG on December 22, 2008 at 3:59 PM

See, there really are conspiracies in the world.

Maxx on December 22, 2008 at 3:55 PM

You’re acting like this is news. The official story of 9/11 is one of a conspiracy.

That doesn’t mean conspiracy theorists aren’t also nuts.

Esthier on December 22, 2008 at 4:11 PM

See, there really are conspiracies in the world. Try to remember that the next time you feel like calling someone a “conspiracy theorist.”

The likelihood of a conspiracy being real is inversely proportional to the number of people who must be in on it.

aunursa on December 22, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Three words to the teenage hero: Witness Protection Program!

newton on December 22, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Life in prison, death in prison…whatever it takes.

Jaibones on December 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM

This is great. They have been denied their martyrdom. Now they can rot in prison pining away for their 72 virgins. Have a nice life fellas.

Mallard T. Drake on December 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Circuit City clerks on the front lines against terror..you gotta love it! Good job young man.

Mason on December 22, 2008 at 3:51 PM

You know, now that we have another “international terrorism isn’t war” President, we should all try to pay a bit more attention to what’s going on around us. Who know how much the FBI and CIA will be obstructed in the coming years… but we can all do our part to help!

hawksruleva on December 22, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Did anyone stop and feel these poor misguided fellows pain? Did we explore their childhoods? Were they mistreated as youths? Did they not suckle on their mommas tit…or did they suckle too long? Surely they are not responsible for their actions! We in society create these people and have a responsibility to feel guilty for them and then…well…release them! (Snark and Sarcasm now off)

sabbott on December 22, 2008 at 5:46 PM

The defendants were acquitted of attempted murder charges but face life in prison for conspiring to kill military personnel.

This should have been Bill Ayers’ fate.

Buy Danish on December 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Fort Dix terrorists walk

DANEgerus on December 22, 2008 at 6:47 PM

This is freedom, where we have the power in this country to screw our lives up whenever we want to. Don’t worry, the ACLU should have them out in a few months…….

DL13 on December 22, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Fort Dix jihadis convicted of conspiracy, face life in prison
Didn’t Ayers wanted to do the same at Fort Dix?

Does that mean Ayers should have been sentenced to life in prison?

Unlike Ayers, these guys didn’t actually kill or bomb anyone or thing.

DSchoen on December 23, 2008 at 4:39 AM

Does anyone have the stats on what a “life” sentence converts to in real years? Is it longer in a federal pen
than a state pen? What’s the possibility of some big-eared freak granting clemency sometime during his presidency-for-life?

SKYFOX on December 23, 2008 at 5:21 AM

In addition to the plot to bomb the NCO club at Fort Dix, which was intended to go off during a dance, using ordinance incorporating nails, that were obviously included in order to kill and maim people, it was also part of the planning of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn’s Weather Underground group to simultaneously set off a bomb in the Butler Library at Columbia University.

So, their clear intention was to kill working stiffs — non-commissioned officers in the United States Army — and their innocent dates attending the dance — and to also kill whoever was in Butler Library at the time.

Gee, I wonder why Chris Matthews forgot to ask Ayers about all that when the former Weatherman was recently given the opportunity to propagandize and pontificate about his radical history on Hard Ball? Chrisie always likes so much to pretend that he’s on the side of the working man!

And, it was indeed a nail bomb under construction that prematurely exploded in that town house in Greenwich Village. All they ever found of Ayer’s little girlfriend, Diane Oughten, was a finger tip — the print from which was used to identify her — she had been previously printed after an arrest in Chicago.

So, had they been successful, they would likely have “out-performed” these equally unsuccessful jihadists.

Bill Ayers has always conveniently ignored the role of Kathy Boudin in all of this, including in his memoir, Fugitive Days. He and Dohrn helped raise her son after she went to jail for the Brinks robbery and murder.

And, he also takes that lying line because he cannot acknowledge Boudin’s role without giving the lie to his frequently repeated assertion that they always acted to avoid casualties. That, even though the boming in San Francisco killed one police officer and injured two others.

As David Fredesso has noted, based on Larry Grathwohl’s recollections (Graithwohl’s words in italics):

But Larry Grathwohl, an FBI mole within the Weathermen, connected Ayers to the planning — and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn, to the execution— of a police station bombing in San Francisco in February 1970 that killed one officer and injured two others.

Grathwohl testified that Ayers had discussed the deadly incident after the fact. The revelation came as Ayers was talking about the organizational difficulties in running a terrorist cell:

[H]e cited as one of the real problems that someone like Bernardine Dohrn had to plan, develop, and carry out the bombing of the police station in San Francisco, and he specifically named her as the person that committed that act. . . . He said that the bomb was placed on the window ledge and he described the kind of bomb that was used to the extent of saying what kind of shrapnel was used in it. . . . [I]f he wasn’t there to see it, somebody who was there told him about it, because he stated it very emphatically.

Grathwohl also testified about an unsuccessful Weatherman bombing in Detroit, which he said Ayers had planned to be executed when the maximum number of people would be present:

The only time that I was ever instructed or we were ever instructed to place a bomb in a building at a time when there would be people in it was during the planning of the bombing at the Detroit Police Officers’ Association building and the 13th precinct in Detroit, Mich., at which time Bill said that we should plan our bombing to coincide with the time when there would be the most people in those buildings.

Grathwohl tipped off police to this latter plot, and they cleared the area. When they finally found the Detroit bomb, it was unexploded. It contained 13 sticks of dynamite with an M-80 firecracker to detonate them, along with a burnt-out cigarette.

Ayers and Dohrn should have gotten life, along with these jihadists.

Trochilus on December 23, 2008 at 1:25 PM

And from a recent GOPUSA piece back on May 8th of this year by Cliff Kincaid, found here, criticizing the Chicago Tribune for refusing to print an article pointing out that Bill Ayers and especially Bernadine Dohrn, for having actually planted the bomb in San Francisco that killed police officer, Sgt. Brian V. McDonnell back in 1970, had blood on their hands, as he reiterates the testimony of Grathwohl to the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee back in 1974:

“When he [Bill Ayers] returned, we had another meeting at which time―and this is the only time that any Weathermen told me about something that someone else had done―and Bill started off telling us about the need to raise the level of the struggle and for stronger leadership inside the Weathermen ‘focals’ [i.e., cells] and inside the Weatherman organization as a whole. And he cited as one of the real problems was that someone like Bernardine Dohrn had to plan, develop and carry out the bombing of the police station in San Francisco, and he specifically named her as the person that committed that act.”

Grathwohl added that Ayers “said that the bomb was placed on the window ledge and he described the kind of bomb that was used to the extent of saying what kind of shrapnel was used in it.”

He was asked, “Did he say who placed the bomb on the window ledge?” He replied, “Bernardine Dohrn.”

Asked if Ayers said that he had personally witnessed Dohrn placing the bomb, Grathwohl responded, “Well, if he wasn’t there to see it, somebody who was there told him about it, because he stated it very emphatically.”

This testimony completely obliterates the notion, perpetuated by the Chicago Tribune and other media, that the Weather Underground communist terrorist bombings only killed the bombers themselves. Such propaganda is designed to play down the serious nature of the terrorist crimes. It is also designed to make Obama’s relationship with Ayers and Dohrn more palatable.

Grathwohl includes this conversation with Ayers in his 1976 book, Bringing Down America: An FBI Informer with the Weathermen. The park police station bombing in San Francisco was “a success,” Ayers is quoted as saying, “but it’s a shame when someone like Bernardine Dohrn has to make all the plans, make the bomb, and then place it herself. She should have to do only the planning.”

Kincaid goes on to note that there is no statute of limitations for murder.

Trochilus on December 23, 2008 at 6:02 PM

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