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If he does. I’m outta here. It’ll be a last straw event for me as an American.

hawkdriver on December 23, 2008 at 9:03 PM

If the decriminalization of marijuana could cause you to say that, you aren’t a real American now, as far as I am concerned.

This is what real Americans believe: we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If someone was pursuing his happiness in his living room by toking, getting drunk, eating some tacos deep-fried in trans fat, and watching the Vikings fumble away a potential win against the Falcons last Sunday, that affected your pursuit of happiness how exactly? If it did, it was because you are a busy-body nanny-stater who doesn’t like the thought that other people in the US are doing things that don’t meet your approval.

Would you like to make the argument that such Leftists are real Americans?

And, what would you say you have learned?

Bizarro No. 1 on December 23, 2008 at 8:20 PM

That two people equals two opinions, therefore, go with self.

Since you’ve decided to keep at it:

There’s a VERY WIDE road between sugar coating something and telling people you have as much contempt for them as you do for a mosquito, or that they’re demented.

Let’s get the facts straight before we go any further, shall we? Good!!!

1) I didn’t tell r4l I had as much contempt for him as I did a mosquito; I was comparing him to the people at the Democratic Underground when I said that. Since I was being honest when I said I had that kind of contempt for him, do you believe I had the right to say it to him? If you believe I did, then what problem might you have with the fact I did?

2) is it wrong for me the believe that demented people actually exist? No? So then, it is somehow wrong for me to believe that certain people are demented just because you or others don’t believe those same certain people are? No? So then, is it ever ok for me to tell them I believe they are demented? Yes, or no? If yes, then what problem might you have with me expressing the honest opinion that I think people like you are demented for believing that God is punitive?

That didn’t address the what I was asking you in the least. Do you care to try again?

Fine. You want me to try again?

Read these, as just a couple of examples:

Matthew 25:31-46
Revelation 20:15

There’s a problem: my question(s) to you still wasn’t answered by those passages! Here’s what I said again: Ok, so in your view, God DOES want them to suffer for all the pain they have caused others. Does Karma need them to hurt somehow as a sacrifice? What kind of pain do you believe He wants them to feel? Burning Hellfire? Bamboo shoots under the fingers nails? ‘an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth’ kind of equivalency?

I’ll simplify things: why does God need/want them to suffer pain for eternity, and what kind of pain do you believe they will suffer?

and that I am not going to invalidate what I have apparently figured out just because other theologians/people have different interpretations than I do.

On things which aren’t Biblically clear, I think you should read Romans 14:2-7. On things which are, independent thinking is a good way to lead us to being lost. Jesus doesn’t want us to be lost to false gospels and false Christs. He wants us to be wise. But, the way I see it, you’re constituting that as a ticket to do what you want with the Word of God.

THAT, I can’t abide by.

Independent thinkers don’t do that, and God wants people to be like me in this regard; He doesn’t want people blindly following the beliefs of others.

Blek. This is what post-modernism has gotten us into.

See, you might want to ask yourself if you’re really relying on the Holy Spirit to do your work. God doesn’t want people to be like YOU – in that or any other regard. He wants people to be like HIM.

Here is the problem I have with your point here-there isn’t just one interpretation of the Bible. Think about how many people exist in the world! I asked you before, how do you decide whose theological orthodoxy is valid? You haven’t explained. Should I believe that the RCC is correct? The JW’s? Mormonism? Episcopalianism? It’s not as black and white as you wish.

So, when it comes right down to it, everyone has to decide for his/herself which interpretational path to go down. Some choose to defer to others who ‘understand’ God better than they do, while others believe they are best served by having faith in their own ability to understand.

God wants people to think for themselves, and not to entrust their thinking to others. If you don’t agree with that, by the logic I follow, I am forced to consider you to be a cultist who doesn’t have much faith in himself. That’s how I roll.

The fact that I believe God isn’t punitive makes me harsher than r4l?

No, the fact that you started telling people off after only two posts makes you seem harsher by comparison.

Ryan Gandy on December 23, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Oh ok. I can explain that. My interaction in this thread with r4l didn’t so quickly arise from nothing as it appeared to you. It was a continuation from another active thread about atheism.

What a wonderfully informative thread!

;Freud.

OldEnglish on December 23, 2008 at 6:48 PM

And, what would you say you have learned?

If someone did that to my kid, I’d teach them to attack the pressure points of the creep and put them down for the rest of recess. If they got in trouble, I’d take them out for ice cream and a movie.

MadisonConservative on December 23, 2008 at 6:21 PM

You have some good parenting skills!!! :)

You’re an intellectually dishonest fraud, working on a scandal you concocted that is the equivalent of claiming that someone who plays Grand Theft Auto has actually stolen cars and killed people.

MadisonConservative on December 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Remember when I implored you before to remember that apacalyps couldn’t understand irony? This is what I was trying to get at, but didn’t do so well: I think apacalyps is addled enough to be able to unintentionally operate as though GTA does involve actual cars and people, so that s/he isn’t a fraud the same way anyone who believes his/her hallucinations isn’t! I don’t think s/he can really help him/herself-s/he isn’t aware enough to!

Look back at your history with him/her in that light, and see if what I am/was trying to say makes sense!

PS this one sets the record!

Who, knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Doesn’t sound like he lets everyone skate without giving them what they deserve, does it?

Bizarro No. 1 on December 23, 2008 at 4:32 PM

There’s a VERY WIDE road between sugar coating something and telling people you have as much contempt for them as you do for a mosquito, or that they’re demented.

That didn’t address the what I was asking you in the least. Do you care to try again?

Fine. You want me to try again?

Read these, as just a couple of examples:

Matthew 25:31-46
Revelation 20:15

and that I am not going to invalidate what I have apparently figured out just because other theologians/people have different interpretations than I do.

On things which aren’t Biblically clear, I think you should read Romans 14:2-7. On things which are, independent thinking is a good way to lead us to being lost. Jesus doesn’t want us to be lost to false gospels and false Christs. He wants us to be wise. But, the way I see it, you’re constituting that as a ticket to do what you want with the Word of God.

THAT, I can’t abide by.

Independent thinkers don’t do that, and God wants people to be like me in this regard; He doesn’t want people blindly following the beliefs of others.

Blek. This is what post-modernism has gotten us into.

See, you might want to ask yourself if you’re really relying on the Holy Spirit to do your work. God doesn’t want people to be like YOU – in that or any other regard. He wants people to be like HIM.

The fact that I believe God isn’t punitive makes me harsher than r4l?

No, the fact that you started telling people off after only two posts makes you seem harsher by comparison.

;Freud.

Would you teach your son or daughter to emulate your behavior if someone acted towards them in the 6th grade like r4l acts towards you here?

Bizarro No. 1 on December 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM

If someone did that to my kid, I’d teach them to attack the pressure points of the creep and put them down for the rest of recess. If they got in trouble, I’d take them out for ice cream and a movie.

apacalyps on December 23, 2008 at 4:41 PM

I would have appreciated it if you had applied logic and reason the first time you smeared us, and bothered to ask if the conversation you so frequently cite, which no one except you took seriously, was anything other than humorous innuendo. You talk about trust, but obviously never had any to begin with, so why would I care what your trust level is now?

You showed absolutely no consideration towards either of us, and instead took it as an opportunity to present yourself as some faux moral crusader, riding on presumption based on nothing. Since you showed no respect for other people before you got it set in your head that you are somehow god, and know everything in our heads, you can kindly take your requests and swallow them. And unless you plan on swallowing your pride, admitting you were wrong, and apologizing for the harassment you subjected us to, feel free to choke on your requests.

You’re an intellectually dishonest fraud, working on a scandal you concocted that is the equivalent of claiming that someone who plays Grand Theft Auto has actually stolen cars and killed people.

I’ve enjoyed making you look stupid, not that you need any help with that punk a** white boy.

right4life on December 23, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Racist bigot. You are disgusting.

given that I am part black, I consider that racist.

right4life on December 23, 2008 at 3:11 PM

That’s nice. He can’t see your skin color. The only way he would know is you making a point of your bi-racial status, your dislike for white women, and your reference to black woman in a separatist manner.

So take your ludicrous indignation over your perceived racial status, and shove it up your hypocritical posterior. Oh, and I hope your house burns down.

I’m trying to enjoy Christmas. Just reading some of the messages here. Some are pretty good. There are a few decent people posting. Obviously you two don’t like me very much which I understand because I cramp your style. Y’know,… I can usually sort out your lies. No wonder you’re upset. Anyways, I’m not going to let you ruin my Christmas. I would appreciate it if the both of you messaged somebody else, and I won’t message you. I think that is a fair suggestion. Thank you.

apacalyps on December 23, 2008 at 4:41 PM

You are so blinded by your self-righteousness that you haven’t considered that they might not like you because you have been rude and unloving to them, have you? Just because you might not believe you have been rude to them doesn’t mean you haven’t been, does it? How do you believe you could ever know if you have been rude to them without realizing it?

Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. You know what those are. Can you point out where you have demonstrated all of those qualites in your interactions with them?

You are exceedingly pompous and immature. If you don’t believe me, look in the mirror, jerk.

I really don’t have an answer for that. It’s more of a compulsion on my part.

Besides, I’m a Christian who already loves God and won’t be turned away from him no matter what right says. Better me than someone else.

Esthier on December 23, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Compulsions aren’t healthy, are they? Do you believe God wants us to indulge them? Do you believe that letting someone verbally abuse you is a show of love for yourself, whatever justification you’d use to allow it to continue?

Would you teach your son or daughter to emulate your behavior if someone acted towards them in the 6th grade like r4l acts towards you here? If they had the choice, do you believe they’d want to watch you let r4l keep talking to you like he does? If no to either of those, what kind of example do you believe you are setting here then?

I would love to deal with you right now, Bizarro, but I have caught the Christmas spirit and have no desire to have it ruined by arguing with you or others. I will say this though: Right4life can handle himself, and I don’t claim he is perfect — none of us is. I asked him to refrain from cursing in his posts and he has agreed to make the effort. He could use some smoothing around the rough edges, some polishing up to better reflect the light of Christ to others (2 Peter 3:18). Jesus Christ cannot be going around swearing, and cursing. That does not reflect your Christian witness. I am working on trying to be more Christ-like in my dealings with the scoffers myself. Every person reading this message can improve in the way they deal with others. None of us is perfect, and none of us can claim that we don’t need improvement in some area. That said, I’d take right4life on my team over you in a heartbeat. In a millisecond. Criticize him all you want, at least he is in here fighting for the Lord, not obstructing, hindering, impeding, those fighting for the Lord, which is what you are doing. P.S. Lastly, my silence does not indicate that I am afraid of you, or your posts. Far from it. It simply says, that celebrating the dear Saviour’s birth is more important to me than you and your your insulting, juvenile and frankly stupid attacks. Please refrain from them at least until after Christmas. Thank you.

apacalyps on December 23, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Iol you make me laugh too! I deny your request to refrain, sorry! You are almost as dense and disrespectful as r4l. Close, but not quite.

You are allowed to post to me again only when you can prove you have graduated junior high school, and when you can demonstate you understand what “irony” means! Understood? Good!!! Now go away!!!

oh and I won’t cast any more pearls before swine like you.

have a nice life…if you ever get one that is..

right4life on December 23, 2008 at 4:13 PM

lol

Your idea of ‘casting a pearl’ is telling someone to off himself!!!

Don’t forget, you show 0 fruits of the Spirit because your tree is BAD! You love Jesus as much as Mohammed did! Now go have a greaaaat day!!! :)

PS your mama!

Ok, so in your view, God DOES want them to suffer for all the pain they have caused others. Does Karma need them to hurt somehow as a sacrifice? What kind of pain do you believe He wants them to feel? Burning Hellfire? Bamboo shoots under the fingers nails? ‘an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth’ kind of equivalency?

It hurts Him more than it hurts us.

That didn’t address the what I was asking you in the least. Do you care to try again?

I have learned what I have merely by bypassing everyone else’s opinions and dogma and took the time to ask God Himself how He sees things. I don’t need the RCC, the Watchtower, Martin Luthor, you, right4life, nor anyone else besides God to tell me how to interpret properly Him, do I? I have enough faith that God will give me wisdom when I ask for it, and in my own God-given ability to reason for myself. Do you have as much faith in your ability to understand God as I do, or do you believe you aren’t capable on your own, and thus need the support of others to tell you what the ‘right way’ to think about God is?

Well then. By your own words, I can only guess you’re so spiritually and morally evolved that you don’t even need the Bible to properly interpret Him.

Don’t play this game. It’s ridiculous what you are doing. I am not saying nor implying that I know everything I need to know about God.

My point was that I ask Him for assistance in understanding the truth, and that I am not going to invalidate what I have apparently figured out just because other theologians/people have different interpretations than I do. Independent thinkers don’t do that, and God wants people to be like me in this regard; He doesn’t want people blindly following the beliefs of others.

People who believe in a punitive God who sends people to Hell are demented, and don’t know Him.

With garbage like this, I feel like responding to you any further is a waste of my time.

Oooooooh, somebody hit a nerve!!!

You’ve officially made r4l seem mellow by comparison.

Ryan Gandy on December 23, 2008 at 4:00 PM

The fact that I believe God isn’t punitive makes me harsher than r4l? Seriously? I gotta LOL at that! That is sillier than anything r4l has said!

No offense intended, but if you really believe that you are demented, and again I say it’s that way because logic dictates it, not because I want to think you are.

Obviously you two don’t like me very much

I wouldn’t have a problem with you if you were able to converse with me without throwing out insults.

And here you are, wanting others to do what you did not, all in the spirit of Christmas. Well, I haven’t insulted you and still won’t.

Do what you want, but don’t expect to be respected if you act this way.

Hell is terrible.

shick on December 23, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Hell certainly is terrible. People are going to burn forever. Forever is a long time and a big chance. Why do you think I try to warn them. This is why I get so upset with phony Christians and their false teachings that are sucking in so many people into these false philosophies; these false theologies; they are literally leading people to hell.

In love, warn others of the fate that awaits them because of their sin. Christ is loving and has provided Himself as a sacrifice so that they may escape His wrath and experience true joy in His grace.

Yes, sir. Amen. Amen. Amen. “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved.” Acts 16:31

I assumed at first this was a misunderstanding; that you were saying that God wouldn’t punish us for our sin IF we were saved; but it sounds like you are saying he won’t punish ANYONE for their sin — which flies against about 100 scriptures, many of them the words of Christ. Read about the sheep and the goats, or the wheat and the tares. What in the world do you do with Christ’s words?

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. (Mat 25:46 NASB)
RegularJoe on December 23, 2008 at 3:58 PM

I am not saying that there is no punishment for sin, I am saying that God doesn’t punish people for their sins-they do it themselves because they believe they deserve it. God HATES pain, and doesn’t want it inflicted upon anyone, including all the tyrants I mentioned.

I understand that unrepentent sinners cannot be in Heaven. I don’t believe in literal everlasting eternal punishment, but that is a different topic.

Right. I’m always the one insulting you. Sure. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Revisionist history only works if no one else remembers the truth.

Esthier on December 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM

You’ve been insulting her for a long damn time, as well as myself. Get a box of kleenex, note that no one takes your little false crusade seriously, and get over your ego. Until you stop smearing others, don’t whine about getting it in return.

MadisonConservative on December 23, 2008 at 11:37 AM

I’m trying to enjoy Christmas. Just reading some of the messages here. Some are pretty good. There are a few decent people posting. Obviously you two don’t like me very much which I understand because I cramp your style. Y’know,… I can usually sort out your lies. No wonder you’re upset. Anyways, I’m not going to let you ruin my Christmas. I would appreciate it if the both of you messaged somebody else, and I won’t message you. I think that is a fair suggestion. Thank you.

Bizarro No. 1 on December 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Look man, I might have my own problems with r4l, but please don’t enter into the running for worst posts in the thread now.

Ryan Gandy on December 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM

You’d rather have me not honestly express my thoughts/feelings in a direct manner of my choosing, but instead you’d rather have me be passive and sugarcoat how I what’s on my mind? Could you tell me what that would accomplish?

The kind of approach you are espousing is why the Right doesn’t do better politically. Before I get accused of promoting aggressiveness, I will state that I am promoting assertiveness. BIG difference.

Conservatives roll over time and time again instead of saying, “no, we won’t let you be abusive when you don’t get your way, Lefties”. Frankly, it’s sickening and maddening to watch.