Aww: The official atheist/Christian reconciliation post
posted at 8:30 pm on December 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
Via Breitbart, a palate cleanser to wash away all the bad vibes of the past few days.
Here’s where the love begins, people. It’s time to heal.
Update (Ed): As a believer, I’m impressed with Penn’s message and the acknowledgment of the love behind true evangelization. However, I suspect Penn may regret offering this encouragement before too long.
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right :rolleyes: but thats not what you said. and you don’t have the decency to apologize.
you don’t even have the guts to admit to what you said..you’re a weasal. if you had any honor, or integrity, you would stand up to it.
pathetic. you’re a contemptable little man.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Just what do you think “It would be better” means?
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 5:35 PM
You’re nuts. There was no threat. Your claim that there was, just like the rest of your spastic arguments, are purely a creation of your own deluded mind—misrepresenting your opponents arguments creating straw men that you can knock down and beat up unapposed. The only problem with your favorite strategy is, when you’ve finished smashing your straw men to smithereens you haven’t accomplished a thing, because they’re your own creation.
You essentially argue with yourself.
Aside from the fact that Islam is more violent that Christianity, you’re just as whacked out on religion as any of the Jihadists.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 5:48 PM
It’s like digging a hole and filling it back in then patting yourself on the back with pride and accomplishment.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM
I am not a little man.
I resisted writing that as long as I could.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Those of us whom understand evolution can only stoke the anger which fuels your constant digging and filling of holes, and once you’re started all we can do is stand back and watch you fight amongst yourself.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Also, hatred seems to be a strong portion of your fuel mixture. What does the bible say about hatred and anger, Right4Life?
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:14 PM
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 5:48 PM
*applause*
RightOFLeft on December 21, 2008 at 6:21 PM
And finally… in you are a true Christian, you would apologize for you false accusation, and for using it as a pretext for personal attacks an innocent man.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:29 PM
fixed
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:33 PM
you’re an idiot. why don’t you go take a flying leap you pathetic piece of trash.
you’re a typical atheist scum.
looks like the truth hurts.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM
so tell me fartingrock, why did you have to come to your little atheist buddy’s defense? isn’t he man enough to fight his own battles??
you just can’t stand that I tell the truth about your racist hairygod darwin.
and if you had any integrity and guts, you’d apologize for lying and twisting what I said…but you can’t cause you can’t win an argument with me, or anyone who denies darwin, unless you lie.
you’re a contemptable little man too.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 6:37 PM
right4life=
toast..flailing toast..flailing race card toast.Speakup on December 21, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Maybe Ed Morrissey can respond to ALLAHPUNDIT’s ongoing attack on Christianity and all things good and Godly by posting a blog about this story of a Christian awakening going on in London?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1866094,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
TheMightyQuinn on December 21, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Right4 had a chance to explain himself or herself but he or she couldn’t or wouldn’t. Perhaps Right4 is a she, sounds like a shrill harpy at that.
Take special note: I did not call Right4 a shrill harpy. I said he or she sounded like one. There is a difference.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 6:44 PM
oh I bet you think that clever!! you’re a legend in your own mind!!
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 6:44 PM
I have a hard time believing you’re really a Christian. I know others have speculated that you and a few of the other nuts might be astroturfers, trying to make right-wing Christians look bad, but I hadn’t thought it very likely until now. Either you’re an astroturfer or you aren’t half the Christian you claim to be, and I suspect a lot of Christians would probably agree with me on that score.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:45 PM
what do you think it means? why don’t you go up to somebody in bar and say that?? it would be on. you know it, and I know it sonny.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 6:45 PM
I don’t pretend to be a good christian..and if you had a chance to meet me you’d find that out. but at least I’m not a liar, and I don’t threaten people. while hiding behind the skirts of someone else…fartingrock.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 6:46 PM
You probably like religion because it gives you an outlet for your anger and hatred.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:46 PM
I have to admit, that’s pretty funny!
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:47 PM
I’m much nicer than I used to be!! you’d be surprised!
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 6:48 PM
That is the understatement of the weekend.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Hey Pelayo my response to you in that ‘evolution’ thread didn’t appear, so I’ll post it here.
SAB is a handy site-here’s some other good ones for Islam:
Prophet of Doom
Faith Freedom (which seems to be down for the moment)
History of Jihad
The Religion of Peace
FrontPage Mag
Jihad Watch (for those who aren’t aware of it)
There’s also thousands of videos exposing the truth about Islam and muslims on YouTube.
thinkagain on December 21, 2008 at 6:50 PM
How is Allah attacking Christianity?
Don’t confuse Allah with Charles Johnson. Check out what Little Green Footballs has evolved into (pun intended).
Disturb the Universe on December 21, 2008 at 6:52 PM
but I don’t lie and threaten people…. you’re the second person thats threatened me on this blog…both atheists…and madisonwacko didn’t threaten, but wanted me to come up to wisconsin.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 6:52 PM
I didn’t; I came to yours. You express so much un-Christian like hatred in your comments that I’m concerned about your salvation. I may not be a Christian but I do respect his philosophy of life and I think he would be more approving of my behavior here than yours.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:54 PM
In a bar I would not say “STFU.” But if some one was mouthing off, I certainly would say, “It would be better if you kept quiet and sat down.”
I have never been in a bar, what are they like?
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 6:55 PM
I’m not a big fan of people threatening me. I’ve been in my share of street fights…and when someone comes up to me and tell me I’d better STFU if I know whats good for me…there’s gonna be a fight…and I’m gonna be fighting for my life…
you can go ahead and commend yourself in your own eyes, if that makes you feel better. you had to twist what I said about darwinists though….and if you were a better man, you would admit it…I have no problems admitting my faults, which are many, and I’m not afraid to admit I was wrong…
perhaps thats the difference between us…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 6:57 PM
obviously you wouldn’t you gutless little punk, cause you’d et your a** kicked.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 6:58 PM
I’m amused that you probably think I find that offensive or blasphemous in some way.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Where did that come from? I didn’t write it.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 7:00 PM
distinction without a difference moron.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:01 PM
apparently it does…it makes you lie about me. and given your posts…you think I’m mad?? sounds like the spittle runs down your chin, your face gets beet red, and your fat little fingers fly over the keyboard when darwin is blasphemed!!!
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:02 PM
FloatingRock, Madison, and everyone else, except Right4Life, auf wiedersehen.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Well at least your not a hypocrite, I guess. But it’s interesting when one considers that in the behavioral spectrum, I stand between you and Jesus. If you want to get closer to Jesus you have to get past me, an atheist, by improving your behavior.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 7:07 PM
and you know whats funny…is that none of you darwinists can dispute what I said about darwin being a racist and his followers (not all of course) being racist…and the theory being implicitly racist.
all you can do is call me names. and threaten me.
you cannot argue the point. and its so typical of darwinists…look at what they did to sternberg and gonzales…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Merry Christmas and happy holidays.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 7:08 PM
if you haven’t guess it by now…your judgement doesn’t matter….His does.
the arrogance…amazing. its obvious you don’t need a savior….
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:09 PM
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1866094,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
I don’t agree with this and at the same time Christians should realize its not real Atheists that threaten religion.
Its failing to recover the lost Agnostics (because that really is what they are, lost) that belong in church pews that’s the greater issue and attacking people like Dawkins and Hitchens only pushes them further away.
Christianity threatened? Not so much when you realize the people in church now, were going to be there anyway.
Who was the last..there is no such thing-believer President? James Madison? Didn’t seem to change Christianity then.
There’s lots of outrage but not much attacking state sponsored Agnosticism from civil rights organizations which have made no bones about destroying community standards and have forcefully gone after religion with foundation and taxpayer money.
Atheist threat=minor irritation, organized Agnosticism? Those are your people..they’re lost and they belong in church, use good target recognition, go after the real bad guys and bring them home where they belong, in church pews.
Speakup on December 21, 2008 at 7:09 PM
and since your behavior is so much better, why did you have to lie about what I said?
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:10 PM
ever hear of communism??
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Can you provide an example of a lie I told about you?
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Zealots and activists – loathe them!
OldEnglish on December 21, 2008 at 7:17 PM
sorry, that was ronsfi..wrong person.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:18 PM
You couldn’t be more wrong. I’ve really enjoyed irking you on this past hour or so and have spent half the time laughing at you.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 7:20 PM
some of these points are of course, a generic ‘you’…ie darwinists…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:20 PM
oh not half as much as I’ve enjoyed watching you darwinists avoid any real debate by hurling accusations at me…its a typical darwinist tactic.
you are unable to deal with the points I have raised about darwin, and the implicit racism of his theory.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:21 PM
And conversely, you need to realize that your judgment doesn’t matter either…. His does.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 7:22 PM
not that I’m surprised…you darwinists cannot defend your faith…and thats why I call darwin ‘hairygod’ because to darwiniacs he is their god…and I do enjoy seeing the reaction from the faithful…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:23 PM
now you are lying. you’re an atheist, you don’t believe in Jesus…too funny.
and His judgement of me will be far different than His judgment of you…you have no idea….but you will…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:24 PM
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Actually, I agree with that. I consider myself a conservative, Bible believing Christian and I wouldn’t come out with half of the stuff I’ve seen out of him in this thread up to now.
Ryan Gandy on December 21, 2008 at 7:32 PM
it must be nice to have achieved such a level of holiness!! how can I become holier than thou???
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:32 PM
It’s not a faith, so what’s to defend? The evidence either speaks for itself or it doesn’t, and in this case it does. And since it’s not a faith, I don’t know much about Darwin’s personal life so I can’t defend him—if he even needs defending. And at any rate, I have a lot of respect for Thomas Jefferson too, and he was a slave owner, yet this doesn’t alter his importance in history or indicate that he was wrong about everything.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 7:32 PM
obviously it is…you cannot macro evolution, nor is there any evidence in the fossil record, yet you believe it. evolution has implications far beyond ‘science’ and the darwinists admit it, as I have posted.
you don’t need to know anything about his personal life to realize his theory is implicity racist…ever hear of eugenics??? applied evolution??? its racist as hell…and yes, the darwinists admit this….
and the eugenics movement is part and parcel of evolution…
look at Watson…you think he’s so different than other darwinists??? just a little more open and honest.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:38 PM
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 3:06 AM
If you mean, am I opposed to groups like the Jesus Seminar and their brand of scholarship, very.
If you mean, do I believe rational thinking has no place in religion and vice versa, absolutely not.
I disagree. If you want, you might wish to familiarize yourself with the writings of Lee Strobel. He wrote a very excellent book titled “The Case for Christ” a while ago.
I’m not saying I’m perfect, so please don’t misconstrue it as such.
Ryan Gandy on December 21, 2008 at 7:39 PM
its obvious in evolution that the races are ‘differently’ evolved…no other conclusion is possible….and this of course leads to racism…
christianity says there is ONE human race….evolution says differently…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:40 PM
but you’re SOOOO much better than I am…you said it yourself!!
I’m sure you’re very proud of yourself!
but you may want to take that beam out of your eye there…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:41 PM
See, again with the false accusation. I’m not lying. You don’t get to judge your own behavior in the eyes of God. Even I know that. And this is why people often don’t respond to your arguments, because they’re so outlandish for one thing, (and I’m not even talking from a theological standpoint), and second, you don’t argue/debate with people, you take what they’ve said, create straw men, and argue with them instead.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 7:42 PM
even gould admits the racism:
and the atheism…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:43 PM
its not false…you admitted to being an atheist…now unless you were lying about that…then you cannot believe Jesus is the Judge of the living and the dead..
but you don’t believe in God at all…so who or what is there to judge?? you’re trying to have your cake and eat it too….
and yes we are supposed to judge our own behavior…how else are we going to evaluate ourselves??
what straw men? unlike evolutionists, I back up what I say..with quotes, documentation…you ‘scientists’ are not so good at that…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:46 PM
No, I didn’t. I’d appreciate it very much if you stop attributing statements to me that I never made.
What do I have to be proud of? Pride will get me nowhere.
Ryan Gandy on December 21, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Bingo. I think you’re running a little short on this.
Ryan Gandy on December 21, 2008 at 7:48 PM
It’s interesting that so many famous magicians are atheists. What’s up with that?
RightOFLeft on December 21, 2008 at 7:55 PM
have you informed Jesus that you’ve replaced Him as judge?
your arrogance for a ‘christian’ is rather shocking.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:58 PM
really? what does this mean??
sounds like you think you’re so much better than I am. much more pious and holy apparently.
as quoted above, you sure seem proud that you’re above me!! how did you achieve such a holier-than-thou attitude?
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:00 PM
interesting that you have not given me an example of a ‘straw man’ that I have created…perhaps you’ll return my courtesy and apolgize for lying about me….
I’m betting you won’t though…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM
This is an example of cognitive dissonance. I took your own words and turned them back on you, a common debating tactic, and you claim I’m lying, essentially attacking your own argument… and my understanding of your religion is that you were actually correct—at first.
You weren’t initially talking about judging our own behavior, you were talking about “His” judgment of our behavior.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 8:06 PM
and I took your words, and turned them back on you, a common debating tactic.
I was responding to this point…
looks like you’re making a straw man.
still don’t see where I made any ‘straw men’ about evolution…gee what a surprise…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:10 PM
I see you punted on the whole evolution argument…another big surprise…*smirk*
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Practically every argument you make is built around straw men, and since everybody else here knows this already, I don’t feel compelled to insult their intelligence by defending my statement when there’s already a multi-page thread replete with examples.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 8:16 PM
yeah sure…you are good for something…a few laughs..somehow I knew you were gonna say that!!
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Look, this is just another of your logical fallacies. When I said, “You don’t get to judge your own behavior in the eyes of God.” It directly addressed your claim that I was lying about the very argument of yours that I turned back against you. So your excuse doesn’t hinder the accuracy of my post back at 8:06.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 8:25 PM
yadayada…you’re boring me now.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:26 PM
I’ve enjoyed having some fun with you, Right4Life, but I’ve had enough of it so I’m going to do something else unless this thread finds some new life in it.
Merry Christmas!
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 8:27 PM
imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery!
happy hairygod day!
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I’d spell it out for you but I already know it doesn’t matter to you that I’m right.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Thanks, you too. :)
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 8:30 PM
uh yeah sure you are….take off the tin-foil…and get back on your meds…you’re delusional….but hey you’re a darwiniac, so its par for the course!!!
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:30 PM
thought you were going to:
that wouldn’t be another little ‘fib’ now would it???
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:32 PM
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 7:58 PM
There are many instances where Christians are called by God to judge, but as Jesus says, we must do so justly and without harsh intent.
If you believe I’m being arrogant, you might want to think of how you come off.
Ryan Gandy on December 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM
at least I’m not holier than thou….who else was like that hmmmm??? the pharisees?? if thats what you said, you get a gold star!!
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:36 PM
and I’m sure your intent of judging me was pure, holy, and just… :rolleyes:
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 8:40 PM
I just started reading the comments on this blog again and noticed your comments. As a brother in Christ I think it is important to point out your error in your tone and name calling to those who don’t agree with. Your words are not Christ like. Please print what you have said and show them to your pastor. I’m curious as to what he would think of them.
Your behavior is not consistent with one who is being transformed more into the image of Christ.
When talking with unbelievers we should treat them with respect because they are made in the image of God.
You should reconsider your behavior and actions. You are not letting your light shine before men.
shick on December 21, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I find the closer we get to Christmas the less I am able to quarrel. Christmas is about Jesus’ birth. About peace on Earth. The King of kings, lay lowly in a manger. Born that man no more may die. Born to raise men up. Born to give them a second birth. His message to love one another. His gospel is peace. This is what Christmas is about. That’s what it means to me. “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord” (Luke 2:11). Praise the night when Christ was born and praise His name forever! To all those that this message reaches: Wherever you are and who ever you may be, know for certain that I am praying for you and your loved ones. May the Lord wrap His loving arms around you and your family this Christmas, and if you are not saved I pray you soon know the great and mighty love of His Son Jesus Christ. One of my favourite Christmas songs, “O Holy Night.” Whenever I hear it I can’t help but weep like a baby. Just wiped away my tears a few minutes ago.
apacalyps on December 21, 2008 at 8:50 PM
apacalyps on December 21, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Thank you. You have a merry Christmas too.
Ryan Gandy on December 21, 2008 at 9:20 PM
This thread should be a play. I’m going copypasta everything and edit it into a script. Hallelujah Jesus!
Ugly on December 21, 2008 at 10:10 PM
I’ve seldomly seen Penn speak kindly and respectfully to Christians and their beliefs. He deserves praise for his kindness. It would have been equally nice if you had chosen to follow his example by not turning words that are meant for praising our God into a cursing. Very nice.
P.S. Copypasta? :)
shick on December 21, 2008 at 11:00 PM
shick on December 21, 2008 at 11:00 PM
(I copypasta’d that)
Lighten up. I was obviously kidding ;)
Ugly on December 21, 2008 at 11:16 PM
If the meeting happened as Penn described, he may have come in contact with the Holy Spirit via a true born again Christian. That is, Penn may of felt the true love God via a believer and it shook him to his core.
And courage.
apacalyps on December 22, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Wow. I’m genuinely impressd.
One Angry Christian on December 22, 2008 at 1:03 AM
lets see, I get threatened, and am a bit upset about it…and you’re not upset about me getting threatened, oh no…you’re upset about my reaction..amazing. and gutless. its christians like you that I find rather contemptable.
I didn’t use a foul word…as far as calling people trash or scum…well I think its true.
maybe I’m not..guess I’m not as holy as you are, you should feel very good about yourself. :rolleyes:
so according to you we should bend over and grab the ankles…no thanks. gee for some reason I get upset when people threaten me…what a shock. with ‘christians’ like you we’d all been converted by the sword to islam long ago.’
you know where to place your advise….
right4life on December 22, 2008 at 8:58 AM
I can’t get the video to play, but I want to react to the commentary:
“Peace on earth; Goodwill toward men”
“By this shall all men know that you are my disciples; that you have love one for another”
“Love your enemies; pray for those who persecute you”
“…The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
These aren’t my words. No Christian should fail to examine himself by these standards, prayerfully and continuously.
RegularJoe on December 22, 2008 at 9:17 AM
If I believed a truck was coming to hit you, and you didn’t, and I tackled you because I believed I was saving you from certain death, but I couldn’t prove there was a truck coming, wouldn’t I be arrested for assault?
This is all about faith, which (by definition) can’t be proven. Let each man decide. Leave me alone if you can’t prove the truck is coming.
lionheart on December 22, 2008 at 11:13 AM
A note to Penn’s comment at the end, it’s not religion that does the bad stuff, it’s the people who claim to be religious not following the religion properly that do bad things. One cannot logically blame religion for people breaking the rules.
ironmonk on December 22, 2008 at 11:29 AM
It’s actually very common with all pocket size versions of the New Testament. I’m not sure just why, but it certainly explains Penn’s mistake.
You should know that two a Christian, the two things are synonymous.
Yes, I noticed them last time I went. Those people are just as bad as Phelps.
If that’s your opinion of Christianity (that it’s nothing but escaping punishment), then you’ve missed out.
This is what I hate about how Christianity has been viewed as focusing solely on the after life. I’m not a Christian because being so saves me from hell. I’m a Christian because of the joy, peace and love I receive in this life.
If all of that is just some stupid placebo effect and hell is nothing, then I’ve still gained everything.
According to the Bible, he has revealed himself to everyone. Arguing over the word Jesus is unnecessary, as the Bible says that everyone must call upon his name, which would include men like Moses who lived before he did and yet were in heaven before Jesus died anyway.
Everyone has a choice. God won’t impose himself on anyone.
Esthier on December 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM
No, he’s a he. He’s a black man who hates white women.
Certainly.
Since when?
Oh, this is rich coming from you. You pull this bs all the time, and now that someone’s doing it to you, you cry foul?
Well, your hypocrisy continues to amaze me.
Then pretend it’s always Christmas, because otherwise you can’t seem to stop yourself.
Esthier on December 22, 2008 at 12:17 PM
please stop obsessing on me.
right4life on December 22, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Haha. The word hypocrisy truly is meaningless to you, isn’t it.
Esthier on December 22, 2008 at 1:09 PM
its rather creepy that you would have to lie about me…but since you have no compunction about lying apparently..
I am not ‘black’ I am mixed race…part native american, white, and black.
I don’t hate white women…I just prefer dark ladies…which seems to offend you for some crazy reason.
right4life on December 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM
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