Aww: The official atheist/Christian reconciliation post
posted at 8:30 pm on December 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
Via Breitbart, a palate cleanser to wash away all the bad vibes of the past few days.
Here’s where the love begins, people. It’s time to heal.
Update (Ed): As a believer, I’m impressed with Penn’s message and the acknowledgment of the love behind true evangelization. However, I suspect Penn may regret offering this encouragement before too long.
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First off not in my statement anywhere, did I use the word Outrage you did Project much?
Second I am not a Protestant…What a Tool you are, getting on a Blog and insisting people agree with you or they are “Outraged” I am not outraged. I am amused at how much a supposed Atheist has to argue, to get people to believe, the way this, I guess “Non” believer- believes. Yes “Believes” “atheism your belief system” it doesn’t have anything to do with Thinking or Intellect.
Again “The Soul” is not made up of MATTER it doesn’t decay…you think your intellect and feelings – emotions are a by product of your digestive system…So Be It Who cares?
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Jesus is Just Alright with Me….
I dont care what they may know
I dont care where they may go
I dont care what they may know
Jesus is just alright, oh yeah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWGiGqYWYZM
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM
If it turns out that there really is an afterlife and I wind up laying on a tropical beach in hell, having a drink with Gandhi, Samuel Clemens and Einstein, I’ll make sure to ask them if have any regrets about not being able to hang out in heaven with Bin Laden, Hitler and yourself.
It sounds like the rules are so messed up that there will be good and bad people in both places.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 5:20 PM
That’s a great song.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 5:20 PM
don’t worry, you won’t be forced to go there.
you don’t get to judge…and there is no appeal.
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 5:27 PM
oh sure it does…thats why gould had to come up with punctuated equilibrium…because the transitions don’t exist.
he allows people to fool themselves…as you demonstrate with every post!
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 5:30 PM
I am under the scripturally supported assumption that when you die, sin is paid for. No matter the period of time lived in. The Bible does use different verbage for those killed directly by Gods hand though.
Benjamin9 on December 20, 2008 at 5:49 PM
“Good” and “Bad” is not the standard! All men are justified by faith. Either you believe that God sent His Son to die for you, or you don’t. It was God’s plan since before the beginning of time since He knew all along that Adam and Eve would mess up. Abraham was justified by faith. David was justified by faith. Samson and many more listed in Hebrews 11. It’s faith my friend. Not good or bad works.
Ordinary1 on December 20, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Faith as in a LEAP of, doesn’t come from “Reasoning” Logic. The Atheist always ask God, just give me a sign you exist – Prove to me you exist, that has nothing to do with Faith.
There is an old joke about an atheist, who dies goes to heaven meets God, and keeps nagging God…BUT God I kept asking for a Sign from you so I could believe in you. The punchline is, even after the Atheist Meets God, he is still arguing with God about Not “PROVING” his existence to him.
I do believe some people’s intellects get in the way of developing faith. They call these people “Head Strong” the intellect takes over, and dictates that everything has to be “Proven” By whatever the Intellect accepts as “Reasonable and Logical” – Who’s standard of Reasonable and Logical? That is Subjective not Objective. That’s not where “Faith” comes from, some people’s Faith is under developed or not developed at all….Some people won’t get out of their own way :)
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 6:19 PM
LOL, thanks, for proving every word.
Keep your tool to yourself.
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:37 PM
You Are A Tool- GRIN, Oh And Merry Christmas LOL!
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Religious_Zealot on December 20, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Aren’t you forgetting something? Such as, I dunno, that the Pharisees – extremely hypocritical, among other things – were the main targets of Jesus’ anger. They’d have to have been. There were no Christians when Jesus was alive.
Ryan Gandy on December 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:37 PM
You haven’t made any points just a bunch of emotional claims. Here is one “Outrage” has nothing to do with the discussion. So you decide to inject “motive” and “emotion”. This is pretty typical of someone who isn’t very good at debating.
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 6:48 PM
I’m sure glad you’re not outraged, heaven knows what you’d be like if you actually were.
A very merry Christmas to you too, so much you’re assuming and so much you obviously don’t need in your life.
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Of course, nothing I’ve written makes any sense and besides trolz is as trolz doez.
Obviously, I’ve been very emotional, I should seek help.
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:53 PM
I am laughing, I think you present weak arguments for Atheism. There is no Emotion. You are a “sign on” “speakup” on a blog commenting. You think you have some “power” to sway readers emotions? Take yourself real serious do you?
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 6:54 PM
I’m not an Atheist.
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Okay don’t have A Merry Christmas…Have a Happy New Year.
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Yet in some of the evolution/creationism threads literalists have claimed that science wouldn’t even exist if not for Christianity because the bible/god encourages reason and logic. They used this as justification for taking over the teaching of science and redefining it to suit their purposes.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Do you know when someone is kidding with you?
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Do you?
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:57 PM
Then it’s true that there are good and bad people in both heaven and hell? Hell isn’t just a place for sinners, it’s far more ambiguous than that?
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 6:57 PM
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM
I have read something similar. And there is an actor that was in the movie Fireproof? Kurt Cameron? He is very vocal about his belief, that you can prove God’s existence, through the complex make up of a human being. Again it comes back to the same words “Proof” and “Faith”
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:57 PM
Most of the time
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM
I don’t know about you but I’m just hav’n a good time.
Hope you are too.
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM
I don’t understand. Are you saying that Native Americans who’d never even heard of God or Jesus and were unaware of the great flood that was supposed to have covered the earth, continuing with there lives as usual while everybody in the old world except those on the arc drowned, could still go to heaven?
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Yes I am. I love to discuss all the things that people tell us to avoid God, Politics, Sex, Religion.
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 7:06 PM
I understand.
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 7:09 PM
1) No, I didn’t forget the Pharisees. In fact, I know many Pharisees today. Oh, I know, they don’t CALL themselves Pharisees, but they ACT exactly like the Pharisees act in the Bible.
2) Sure there were Christians when Christ was alive. Oh, they didn’t CALL themselves that (that came a little later), but they were followers of Christ just as Christians are today.
Religious_Zealot on December 20, 2008 at 7:14 PM
But the bible espouses both. So again, why provide a flimsy pretext for faith, the bible, which may contain some historical truth but has all sorts of outlandish and demonstrably false stories, while at the same time providing mountains of evidence for evolution and the encouraging use of the mental tools required to understand them?
The obvious way out of this trap for a person of faith is to say that God intentionally provided the mountains of evidence and the faculties to deduce their meaning, it wasn’t a trick, that evolution was God’s means of creating and developing life and he’s not afraid we’ll learn of this, or else he wouldn’t have provided the evidence and means in the first place.
This explanation works fine for many of the faithful, but the literalists have a problem: either God is a malignant entity intentionally trying to fool people, or God is imperfect and didn’t think of this at the time, (probably because he didn’t know as much about the world as we know now), or else God doesn’t exist at all.
Literalists have a problem, but non literalists have an easy explanation and many have already made the case.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM
updated
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 7:23 PM
If a literalist has a fourth option that doesn’t involve blind faith over reason and common sense, I’d love to hear it…
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 7:29 PM
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM
This comes up in Catholicism all the time. That is why we have this convenient place called Purgatory.
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 7:39 PM
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Are you trying to Marry Reason to Faith?
Well here is something from Martin Luther the reformer.
http://www.twoorthree.net/2008/03/reason-is-the-d.html
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Heaven is full of people who are enjoying the presence of God for eternity and started that relationship while they were still alive.
Hell was intended for Satan and his angels, but will also have every person who has rejected God’s offer of a personal relationship.
There are no islands, or kicking back with margarita’s. Jesus described eternal fire, darkness, gnashing of teeth.
Ordinary1 on December 20, 2008 at 8:18 PM
I was repeating what more than one literalist has said in other threads here, not based on my own knowledge of the bible; that reason and logic are advocated in the bible, or at least by some religious authority, (I don’t know for positive it was the bible).
Are you saying that reason and faith are incompatible?
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 8:21 PM
But wouldn’t you eventually get used to it? :) Besides, if Jesus/God lied, by planting false evidence for evolution, why would you trust him to tell the truth about conditions in hell?
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 8:25 PM
No, I like to think I am a reasonable person;) I am a Person of Faith. Which do you put first? I put My Faith First, and my Faith is in God.
After faith comes, reason is servant.
This is from the above link.
[Aristotle's Ethics: The Real Reason for Luther's Reformation?]
CONCLUSION
Luther’s position was not that reason was not to be used, but it was to be used within a biblical framework, that is, in subservience to revelation. As I love to say:
Before faith comes, reason is king. After faith comes, reason is servant.
For more good articles on the interplay of faith and reason, please read:
* The Weslyan Quadrangle III – Scripture and Reason
* Faith and Reason – Link Dump
* The Atheist’s Caricature of Faith
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 8:28 PM
See, it all comes back to the fact that literal interpretation of the bible is the antithesis of logic and reason. Christianity itself doesn’t have to be so, but literalism is. It can’t be sustained without dropping any pretense of reality.
And it’s precisely these people, (not necessarily all literalists; some respect the 1st amendment), that want to squash any science that conflicts with their views. Science, an institution that’s never belonged to them, (even though there have long been scientists that are Christian), and in fact they are antithetical toward.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 8:34 PM
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 8:25 PM
My understanding of Hell in Jewish Theology, is that In God’s Mercy He created a Pplace for those who didn’t want to dwell with him. The Description of Hell has changed over centuries.
http://www.biblehistory.com/Hell%20Jewish.html
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 8:35 PM
That’s my point. Why can’t they both be first?
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 8:38 PM
BTW, it’s been a pleasure discussing this with you guys this evening. It’s a refreshing change from Right4Life, Saint Olaf and Apocalypse, who basically ignore the arguments or resort to name calling and condemnation to the lake of fire. While it’s not likely we’ll convert each other, (and that’s not my intent), I find this an interesting subject.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 8:47 PM
From Above Link,
In addition, punishment might be self-determined on the basis of suffering in kind the suffering the person brought about.
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Name calling doesn’t get anybody anywhere. It’s what people do when they can’t win an argument on the merits (I’m not specifically accusing anyone, BTW… well, maybe some liberals).
As for logic vs. faith, I do not believe that they are mutually exclusive. In Isaiah 1:17-19
I would add that God gave us brains to use!
Science is coming into agreement with the Bible all the time. Evolution Theory is flawed, so I wouldn’t go there to accuse God of planting false evidence. The evidence confirms that no species has ever become another. Ever.
Further more, our cells (much less our bodies) are waaay to complicated to have “evolved” over billions of years. Each function of the cell is like it’s own interdependent mini machine that relies on another and so forth. I love the analogy, “it’s like believing that a tornado going through a junk yard could assemble a car.” A billion tornadoes would have no better “luck.” No. There IS a creator! Faith and reason agree!
Ordinary1 on December 20, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Yes, it has. There are transitional fossils. It’s just that every time one is found, there is still a gap that literalists claim requires still another transitional fossil… and it’s already been established that literalists put their faith above reason, so they will carry this in perpetuity.
The proof is self evident. Some simply chose not to see it based on blind faith alone.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Funny how we can both agree on that statement! :-)
Ordinary1 on December 20, 2008 at 9:42 PM
That is a good analogy.
Dr Evil on December 20, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Hey FloatingRock. Here’s an example of the science catching up to the Bible!
Ordinary1 on December 20, 2008 at 9:46 PM
True, except that faith is part of the institution of religion and evolutionary theory is part of the institution of science. One has nothing to do with the other, except that religion is trying to dominate science.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 9:55 PM
“In the beginning was the Logos. and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God”
Logos = Logic = Reason
I struggled for some time because my Charasmatic friends, and, indeed, most Christians, inisted that faith was first, prior to reason.
Then I realized that my faith was in Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity, the Eternal Logos.
I then recognised that all knowledge (even “scientific knowledge”) is based on presuppositions, that is to say, unproven truths about the way things are.
Faith and reason go hand-in-hand. But the “reason” we have faith in reason and reason to have faith, is because of the Logos, the eternally existing Son of God
The three “basic presuppositions” are:
1) the law of non-contradiction;
2) the law of cause and effect; and,
3) the law of the basic reliability of sensory perception.
These are unprovable, accepted by faith.
Some have developed other presupposition during their lives. One of which is the presupposition that the supernatural does not exist. This is unproven and accepted by faith. So any suggestion to the contrary is rejected.
Jesus didn’t die to make bad people good. He died to make dead people alive.
There are no good people. We have all sinned and come short of the Glory of God. There is none righteous but God.
The only way to the Father, to “heaven”, is perfection. We must be as perfect as God Himself.
If we will accept the Good News (Gospel) of Jesus Christ, and put our faith in Him as our Savior, God the Father imputes His righteousness to us and we stand before Him as perfectly righteous.
The Christian life isn’t about rules and ethics and morality. It is based on a relationship with Jesus Christ.
The only command a Christian has is to love God with all his/her being and to love his/her neighbor as him/herself.
The love that is required is defined by Paul:
Experientially, none of us is able to fulfill that commandment perfectly, no matter how hard we try. But, positionally, we are perfect before God.
And that is indeed good news.
davidk on December 20, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Or. Your faith in no God leads you to ignore the truths in science that completely confirm what God already wrote in His Word. After all He authored all existence! Many scientists agree that the complexity of life can’t be explained by billions of years of randomness.
Check out Psalm 19:1 & 2
Read the rest of it here.
Also, excellent post davidk!
Ordinary1 on December 20, 2008 at 10:30 PM
And your welcome to that opinion, but when you try to force it on others who don’t share it, it becomes unconstitutional.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Jillette’s picture is just too scary to click on.
eeyore on December 20, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Religious_Zealot on December 20, 2008 at 7:14 PM
Mhm. Sorry, but I don’t think its possible for you to try and justify your COMPLETELY un-Scriptural take on Matthew 7 with any of that.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 9:31 PM
You mean like the Piltdown Man? ;)
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Unconstitutional?! Far from it. The 1st Amendment guarantees people the right to exercise religion. Maybe you should read it over again . . . it doesn’t say “freedom FROM” anything.
Ryan Gandy on December 20, 2008 at 11:21 PM
The 1st amendment doesn’t provide a right for people to impose their religion. Just the opposite.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 11:24 PM
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 11:24 PM
What the heck are you talking about?
Let’s run this down again:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Where or how you took that as a sweeping prohibition on the American population’s exercise of its religious beliefs escapes me. I sure hope you’re not the kind of guy that would run in terror upon being wished a merry Christmas.
Ryan Gandy on December 20, 2008 at 11:38 PM
If you think that the right to exorcise religious beliefs includes a right to impose religious beliefs—what are you talking about?
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 11:42 PM
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 11:42 PM
It goes right back to Christ’s command “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations.”
You still haven’t answered how you managed to twist the 1st Amendment into a piece of duct tape over my mouth.
Ryan Gandy on December 20, 2008 at 11:52 PM
That’s because I never said that.
I’m saying that you don’t have a right to impose your beliefs on me, which you don’t, regardless of what Christ says.
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 11:58 PM
FloatingRock on December 20, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Yes, you DID say that.
It’s hardly something so egregious as forcing you or anyone else to go to my church.
Just planting a seed, and if you choose to watch it grow into a harvest, that’s your business. But I won’t stop trying to reach people simply because YOU say I must.
Ryan Gandy on December 21, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Maybe the misunderstanding is how we each define “impose.” I’m talking about impose in the sense of force or compulsion. You’re referring to it in the sense of passive expression.
The attempts by biblical literalists to wrest control of science out of the hands of scientists is not passive in nature.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 12:19 AM
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 12:19 AM
We believed Biblical doctrine and religious truths (i.e. the sacredness of human life) had no place in science before – as if we humans knew everything – and wound up with people like Josef Mengele.
That said, what do you have against literalists in this regard, anyway? There’s a bunch of secular and scientific information out there to underscore God’s existence, all you have to do is open your mind to it.
Ryan Gandy on December 21, 2008 at 2:43 AM
Do you mean why am I against Literalists trying to take control of the reins of science and redefining it?
The answer to that should be obvious, even if you disagree. Are you apposed to scientists taking over the reins of religion and redefining it?
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 3:06 AM
There isn’t any scientific evidence which suggests or disproves the existence of God. Science doesn’t work that way and can’t even begin to address the question.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 3:12 AM
And that’s why we can’t have people that don’t understand science, and indeed are apposed to it, to take control of science and science curriculum. Our future and prosperity is at stake. To help set moral and ethical boundaries on research, fine, (that’s what societies do), but to control science, unacceptable.
The reality is that bad people have used science for bad purposes, just like bad people have used religion for bad purposes. Likewise, people have used cars, cell phones, computers, the internet, cameras and many other advancements for both good and bad. It doesn’t mean we should ban them. It doesn’t mean it’s OK for one imperfect human institution to subvert and dominate another unrelated one.
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 3:27 AM
updated
FloatingRock on December 21, 2008 at 3:30 AM
If hell was a literal place that you go to after you die would you want to be warned of it’s existence? I see a truck barreling down the highway heading straight in your direction my friend, and you don’t don’t see it — that’s why I tackle you… I love you too much not to tell you that everlasting life is possible.
apacalyps on December 21, 2008 at 3:30 AM
“irrational reasons” = oxymoron
I have no desire to tell anyone how to live as an individual. But as I have studied societies, I see that their downfalls are linked to an overall acceptance and allowance of certain behaviors/lifestyles. Because of that, I will oppose any policies that allow or promote such behaviors/lifetsyles.
By the same resoning, I will support any behaviors/lifestyles that promote the welfare of a society.
Any assertion that a Christian worldview that informs scientific exploration will stunt growth in scientific knowledge and discovery is absurd. Modern science solidly stands on foundations built by men and women who were devoted to a Christian worldview.
Any suggestion that one must check his or her Christian worlview before entering a laboratory is equally absurd.
I take the Bible in its literal sense–that does not make me a literalist. That just means that I take the various writngs contained in the Bible as the author intended.
No, the Bible is not a science textbook. But since I have found the Bible to be a reliable book, when it speaks on scientific matters I take notice.
Scientists who were evolutionists and who were also atheistsa have studied the evidence and have concluded that the evidence points to an intelligent designer. Their findings were obviously not built on a Christian worldview.
Much of what is spouted as “pure science” is based on a worldview that has as a presaupposition that the supernatural does not exist. This is as much a belief a statement of belief as any Christian beliedf.
I must go to work so I must stop here. I don’t even have time to proodread.
davidk on December 21, 2008 at 7:14 AM
It is one thing to believe in a nameless, non-denominational Creator, it is quite another to believe in a six day creation, a 6000 year old earth, and a global flood. Teaching the details of creation will be an endorsement of a religion.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 9:14 AM
That’s about as arrogant and condescending as it gets but those are two of the main characteristics of athiests.
peacenprosperity on December 21, 2008 at 9:21 AM
yeah we’ve got to keep science in the hands of the atheists!! The atheist IMAMS who control ‘science’ will sue, silence, harass, and intimidate any who dare question their faith in their hairygod darwin…just ask sternberg.
evolution has made ‘science’ atheism.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 10:30 AM
its the original sin, wanting to be God…so the atheists are their own little gods…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 10:31 AM
oh you’re just upset I’ve made you look foolish…poor dear.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 10:33 AM
There is the Known, the Unknown and the Unknowable.
Science can’t measure the last.
Dr Evil on December 21, 2008 at 10:39 AM
oh please this is laughable. the evolutionists have ABSOLUTELY RULED OUT GOD…
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 10:42 AM
evolution isn’t just a ‘science’ theory, it purports to explain all human behavior, and its implications are recognized by the darwiniacs:
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Usually, I agree with Penn. This time, not so much.
I don’t want to hear about being saved from some phantom neverworld. Oddly, many Christians don’t want to be saved from ignorance. It’s a Mexican standoff.
Religion is to Philosophy as Astrology is to Astronomy.
Krydor on December 21, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Kjeil on December 21, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Speakup on December 21, 2008 at 1:12 PM
You’re the one who looks foolish, as usual. I have to hand it to you though. It’s amusing, your penchant for posting laughingly idiotic comments and then congratulating yourself for your brilliance. The overall impression is that you are most probably mental.
ronsfi on December 21, 2008 at 1:27 PM
or
Religion is to Philosophy as Funding Space Exploration is to Astronomy.
Here’s why. James 1:27
Maybe not a perfect analogy, but you see what I mean (maybe). Now if you mean doctrine (what some call religion I suppose), then we could go:
Doctrine is to Philosophy as Looking through the most powerful telescope is to Astronomy
In other words, the right doctrine as presented in God’s Word, and revealed through His Spirit, is the brightest light that illuminates truth worthy of basing the actions of ones life leading to eternal life in God’s presence!
Ordinary1 on December 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM
really? well you can say that, and I’ve noticed most of what you say is amusing drivel…but you cannot prove it…you cannot dispute what I have said, nor can you point out any logical contradiction, or where I have congratulated myself…
you may want to take the tin-foil off and get back on your meds…they’re really good for you, and those men in white are your friends….don’t listen to the voices!!
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM
oh and ronsfi…your hairygod darwin was a racist…and evolution is IMPLICITY racist…and darwin’s followers, even to this day are racist…as Watson demonstrated…
“Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory.” Stephen Jay Gould,
‘Ontogeny and Phylogeny’, Belknap-Harvard Press, pp. 27-128
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 2:14 PM
The Judean People’s Front?!!!
PackerBronco on December 21, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Squiggy on December 21, 2008 at 2:53 PM
… as evolution is to science.
davidk on December 21, 2008 at 2:59 PM
.
Mmmhm yeah we’re all racists. Right. Oh why not throw in liberals and mass murderers as well. As a matter of fact you have been repeatedly shown to not only be in error but an ignoranimus as well. With claims like “All Darwinists are Racists” Such brilliance! Such intellect! Such Tripe! I am surprised you don’t just curl up with embarrassment.
ronsfi on December 21, 2008 at 4:15 PM
More likely the People’s Front of Judea.
REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
XERXES: Brought peace.
REG: Oh. Peace? Shut up!
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 4:46 PM
PackerBronco, a true believer once reminded me that “Life of Brian” was blasphemy and I would burn for watching it.
Along about that time there was a mini-series about Christ on TV. The day after the last episode the same guy asked me if I saw the last installment. I said no and then asked him how it ended. He was shocked, and I was amused.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 4:51 PM
uh I didn’t ‘all darwinists’ were racist…reading is fundamental and so is honesty. but I’ve learned darwinaics are not very honest…all that matters is the defense of the hairyone.
here’s what I said:
The theory of evolution is implicitly racist, as Gould admitted. do you think Watson is a racist? he’s not the only one, surely you know that. applied evolution, eugenics, is racist is as hell, as is Sanger, and the agency she founded planned parenthood.
you are the one who should be embarressed…your whole life is built on a lie. but you’ll continue with your lies…cause its all ya got…loser.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 4:52 PM
right4life, I have been commenting on several blogs and chat rooms over the past eight years, and I must say that you are the most abrasive, insulting, vacuous, and juvenile commenter I have ever encounted.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 5:03 PM
since you’re going to post the same drivel in 2 places I’ll post the same response:
Abrasive? you mean like THREATENING PEOPLE??
only an gutless a**wipe does that.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Please post and highlight the threat.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 5:12 PM
uh I just moron, can’t you read??
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 5:14 PM
but since you’re obviously a bit slow…
better for me? so in other words if I don’t shut up, bad things will happen…sure sounds like a threat to me.
but we both know people like you are all talk.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 5:17 PM
If you are seeing a threat in that comment, you are paranoid.
It would, in fact, be better if you did shut up, your constant name calling is not conducive to an intellectual discussion.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 5:19 PM
If I said anything like that, you darwiniacs would be squealing like stuck pigs.
if you had any decency you’d apologize. and I would accept that, and drop it. but I’m not going to hold my breath…you’ll probably just deny it was a threat.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM
gee what a surprise. you’re trash. and you’ve just proven it, again.
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Does this sound better:
The discussion on this forum would be much better if you would just STFU and pray for us like you are supposed to.
That’s what I meant.
Pelayo on December 21, 2008 at 5:23 PM
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