Alaska Senate poll: Palin 55, Murkowski 31
posted at 6:31 pm on December 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via the Standard. The bad news? It’s a dKos poll. The good news? Kos’s pollster ain’t half bad.
Good thing for Murkowski that she and Palin aren’t rivals, aside from the occasional preemptive declaration of war.
Palin would crush Daddy’s Little Girl in a primary. Remember, Lisa Murkowski was appointed to the seat by her father when he was elected to his ill-fated term as governor. Palin’s successful primary challenge to father Murkowski was aided in great part by the backlash to that nepotism. The voters passed a ballot initiative stripping the governor of the power to make such appointments in the future. So given a credible Republican challenger, Murkowski melts.
Since Palin vanquished Murkowski’s father, there would be some poetry to also taking out his daughter, but I suspect Murkowski would be vulnerable to other top Republicans. I’d guess at this point that even if Palin passes on the Senate, Murkowski will have to fight for her party’s nomination.
She wins in a waltz in the general election too, of course. I’ve made the case before why, contrary to popular wisdom, it could be a good move for her, but it makes more sense if she’s planning to skip the presidential race in 2012 and build her national cred for a run four years later instead of trying to bounce from governor to Senator to president in the span of two years. Surprisingly enough, we haven’t polled this one yet. Have at it.
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Good point. Maybe if she signs a big book deal…I think she would hate the Senate anyway. I can see the points that AP and others have made about the kind of credentials she would get there, but in a lot of the stuff I’ve read it sounds like she gets frustrated with bureaucracy. She’s a doer, all they do in the Senate is talk.
meltenn on December 19, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Cracked me up.
Sapwolf on December 19, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Yeah, if she does get a good book deal, the lefties will scream “money-hungry attention seeker, she only ran for VP to cash in!1!!!!!11!” And they will also say that she is rich and out of touch with ordinary people.
But I think the good she could do with the money would outweigh any new memes she gave the left. Maybe she could even waive her governor’s salary like Ahnuld does.
Jim62sch on December 19, 2008 at 11:13 PM
You don’t have to be pc. “Man” on HotAir is the masculine Latin which means both sexes like in Spanish.
Man means effeminate beta or even gamma male on sites like DKos, DU, and HuffPo.
Think El Cid AND Queen Isabella rolled into “Man”.
Sapwolf on December 19, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Alaska Amber and mooseburgers on the house!
And Jack too if you insist…
ramrocks on December 19, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Does she need a ’shoe shine boy’?
I’m game.
johnnyU on December 19, 2008 at 11:23 PM
You know, I even agreed with her today on the Franken thread. She’s nuts when it comes to Palin and religion, but she’s not completely crazy. I felt rather sorry for her when she explained why she hates religion so much.
It’s the Christmas season, so I feel goodwill towards all.
ramrocks on December 19, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Dang! I feel like I should be taking notes. This would make a wild screenplay. These people are crazy creative!
ramrocks on December 19, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I’ll take beer too. Tequila. Vodka. Whatever you’ve got. I have a feeling I’m going to need to do some heavy drinking after my field trip.
meltenn on December 19, 2008 at 11:32 PM
I agree. She will have no problem staying in the news if she does the following:
1) Create PAC, and get a secret advisor like a Dick Morris or other person to assist.
2) Campaign for GOP candidates in 2010.
3) Be a kickass Governor and rerun in 2010.
4) Write a book that is weighty on policy and what her views are, aligning with RNC platform for the most part and why. Meet with respected conservative people about certain issues.
5) Do some interviews/appearances regularly to work on image and to present the real Sarah.
6) Study Spanish diligently and learn latino culture. Do an appearance on one or more Univision shows to built up her relationship. Knowing something about latino culture, Sarah will do quite well, and they WILL warm up to her.
7) Run for POTUS in 2012 if Obama’s administration is like Jimmy Carter’s or worse. If not, run for Senate in 2014 and POTUS in 2016 but be willing to accept the VP nod again if she is defeated in primaries by say a Jindal or Romney.
The problem is whether she has the time and whether she thinks it is all worth it.
I believe she can still be an effective Mom and governor and still release enough time in her schedule to tackle these.
If she REALLY wants it, she can handle it, but the family will have some input.
Sapwolf on December 19, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Yeah, I like your plan. She should also hook up with some of the think tanks – possibly the Heritage Foundation, but I’d like to see her build more libertarian connections at organizations like the Cato Institute and the American Enterprise Institute.
Would love to see her in a forum with Ayaan Hirsi Ali talking about women’s issues.
Jim62sch on December 19, 2008 at 11:39 PM
You’re right. Afterwards we’ll just plant you in front of an open bar and give you whatever you want.
I stop by the HuffPost occasionally, but find the experience too dizzying. Dramamine is worthless there.
I chose you and joey for this duty because he’s the quintessential Paletorian guardsman and you’re a Southerner (i.e. fearless on the battlefield and masterful with the pen).
ramrocks on December 19, 2008 at 11:43 PM
It’s the Christmas season, so I feel goodwill towards all.
ramrocks on December 19, 2008 at 11:24 PM
You are right. No need to tell me what happened to her about religion. Read a post somewhere the other day. Told me she had been deeply hurt. So, I will keep that in my mind. Sad it takes a holiday to make us wake up.
sheebe on December 19, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Guilty plea for a state senator in another Veco related case. The feds are still investigating Veco. I’d say they’re trying to build cases against a few more people. That’s the impression I got during the Stevens trial anyway.
meltenn on December 19, 2008 at 11:46 PM
strength and honor
Senatus Populusque Romanus
joey24007 on December 19, 2008 at 11:46 PM
My public school and land grant university education at work. I’ve been having some issues with comma splices lately for some reason. Mrs. Foshie (my high school English teacher) would be very disappointed.
meltenn on December 19, 2008 at 11:53 PM
That would be a tragedy. I hope you’re wrong. I think you are wrong. Sarah Palin is ambitious, she hates to lose, and she loves the crowds. She looked stronger as the campaign went on. I say strike while the iron is hot. Obama in 2012 won’t be the Obama in 2008; the novelty will have worn off long before and Bush will be a distant memory. He won’t be invincible by any means, in my opinion.
ddrintn on December 20, 2008 at 12:17 AM
fac fortia et patere!
Mooseburgers and Alaska Amber await your return.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Oh, hell, girl, no one at the HuffPost even knows what a comma splice is. They’re still working on subject verb agreement.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 12:20 AM
LOL, and all the more so because it’s true.
meltenn on December 20, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Don’t know if you guys saw this article on Palin’s energy plan for Alaska. I like this model – it presents options for local communities, everything from wind farms to hydro, and seeks consensus from the local community in what best suits their local needs, and what they can afford.
Then it appears the idea is that the state pays for initial construction, but the local community pays for upkeep.
I like it – pushes responsibility down to the lowest possible level.
Jim62sch on December 20, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Interesting article. Further proof of how rigged the old Murkowski oil tax was:
I wonder if they can or will trace Veco back to the big North Slope oil producers? I mean, Veco is chump change compared to the big boys like BP, ConocoPhillips and Exxon.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Do you think the Governor is assembling some kind of kitchen cabinet? I hope so…
An Era of Hate on December 20, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Jim62sch on December 20, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Brilliant! I love it. And it gives the answer to that idiot writer of the “impeach her” article who complained about Palin not having a long term energy plan.
Well as Palin’s energy guru notes in the last sentence in the ADN article :
“The end result will be a long-range energy plan.”
And I love the idea of local decision making and control, because it gives the locals a vested interest in maintaining the projects and keeping costs down. And let’s not forget that it provides jobs too! This is the sort of government innovation you get when you have a former small town mayor is the chief executive. Small town mayors understand that state or federal government marching orders are often flawed or completely unworkable.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Interesting. Definitely sounds like it has potential, and I like keeping it as close to the communities as possible. Fits with Palin’s past statements that the government entity that’s closest to the people governs best.
Good question. Gotta think they’re probably trying. Stevens was a pretty big fish, but I’d say that there are some more to catch in state government. And tying the Big Three in would make somebody’s career. The question is: Can they make the cases? They obviously didn’t catch the people they’re still investigating in the act of taking bribes, or at least didn’t get them doing it on video (unlike some of the ones that are already in jail). But considering that Cowdery wasn’t indicted until this past summer, I’d say they’re taking their time to build their cases.
meltenn on December 20, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Hey ramrocks and Jim62sch, how is Alaska going to pay for this energy plan of hers?
lowandslow on December 20, 2008 at 1:03 AM
What also amazing is how cheaply these politicians can be bought. $25,000 to sell your honor?
In the Vogue article on Palin, the writer describes Alaska as “a place where votes on behalf of oil interests could be bought for not much more than the price of a used car.”
This is why I don’t trust the oil companies up there. They play dirty. Anybody who thinks that Palin’s rhetoric is just empty populism needs to take a closer look at the scummy dealings of these big business monopolies. Free market capitalism is good; but it often seems like the bigger the corporate entity, the more deformed their notion of free market capitalism. Corporatism slowly takes over. Just take a look at the Detroit Big Three for a perfect example of what I mean.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 1:07 AM
The Cuda will crush that biatch.
Man I love the Arctic Fox. I would crawl over broken glass for Governor Sarah Palin.
Geochelone on December 20, 2008 at 1:09 AM
How does any state pay for infrastructure projects? State taxes, bonds, federal funding. I haven’t had a chance to read the proposed state budget yet.
Damn, if anyone told me a year ago that I would develop an interest in Alaska state politics, energy policy, natural gas pipelines, and budget issues, I would have said “What are you smoking?” I think I know more about Alaskan issues and legislators than I do about my home state now.
Jim62sch on December 20, 2008 at 1:12 AM
Some sold it for even less, but I guess if your honor’s for sale it doesn’t really matter how much you get for it.
I’m going to have to skip the debate with lowandslow; gotta get some sleep. Have fun.
meltenn on December 20, 2008 at 1:19 AM
LOL! I know exactly what you mean. We’re in search of the future of the conservative movement. Our hope is under the great North Star. (Listen to Part 4 of the interview at 4:10 into the clip for what I mean).
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Hey, that was an awesome clip, I had forgotten the North Star part. Even Gunny French couldn’t help but compliment her in the conversation they had.
Jim62sch on December 20, 2008 at 2:54 AM
The whole interview (in four parts) is so interesting because she is obviously comfortable with these guys, and she lets slip some interesting details about the campaign. You can read between the lines quite a bit. She also expresses her desire to run a true grassroots campaign if she were to run for presidency in the future.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 3:08 AM
Well, according to the article:
These capital projects are either part of her current budget or will be financed somehow. They are definitely worth the money. These are long term energy infrastructure projects that are necessary for future stability and prosperity of her state.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 3:16 AM
the_nile on December 20, 2008 at 6:10 AM
All of US will take a bad hit , Alaska is one of the few states that’s prepared
the_nile on December 20, 2008 at 6:11 AM
Isn’t it shocking that despite everything the media has told us unendingly about Sarah Palin, that she remains by far the most popular politicians in her state and extremely popular with the nation as a whole.
It’s almost as if the media isn’t being truthful about her. But that can’t be can it?
notagool on December 20, 2008 at 10:06 AM
The ADN reports that Walt Monegan of Troopergate fame is running for mayor of Anchorage.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 11:02 AM
I’ve been trying to link to this ADN article listing the drug that Levi Johnson’s mother was caught with, but HA’s filters won’t let me write the name of the drug for some reason.
It’s a painkiller that begins with an “o” and was the same one they busted Rush Limbaugh for possessing.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Yeah, oxyc*ntin. I saw she got popped for intent to distribute as well as possession, but the cops always seem to do that if the person’s stash is larger than a (very small) amount.
Jim62sch on December 20, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I love Sarah and I will support her regardless of her decision.
mindhacker on December 20, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Josh Painter’s not as optimistic as we are about Conroy and Walshe’s book. Most of his concern seems to stem more from the publisher’s connections and history than their past reporting. Apparently, it’s the same publisher that published Scott McLellan’s book.
meltenn on December 20, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Hey all you Sarah Palin fans, I need to sound the alarm for the Team Sarah site.
They are almost at 63,000 members but still short of their goal of 100,000 by Jan. 20th.
Team Sarah is a nice site and has great sub-groups too. I strongly recommend all HotAir Sarah fans join up. The site lets you have your own Mysite too. It’s easy to use too. Ok, as a guy, the pink color is annoying as H**l, but I’ll put up with it for the Cuda.
I’m in the Catholics for Sarah group,
the NRA Members for Sarah group,
the March for Life 2009 group,
and the Ron Paul fans for Sarah group,
and Glenn Beck fans for Sarah group.
Just do it! NOW! By the way, I’ll be at the March for Life (convention hall on Jan. 21st in the afternoon and the march itself on the 22nd and the Rose Dinner that night).
I think I’ll hang out with the Virginia for Sarah people.
Let me know if any of you want to link up with our group.
Sapwolf on December 20, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Who are they expecting to buy the book? The “love her or hate her” line in the press blurb on the book indicates they would like people of both sentiments to buy the book. They’ll have to be somewhat even handed.
Shushannah Walshe’s posts were always subtly more even handed than Conroy’s. For example, toward the end of the campaign when Palin must have been functioning on four hours of sleep and giving non-stop stump speeches, she made the mistake of saying, “election day is only three days away,” when it was actually two days away. Walshe wrote about this silly mistake lightly, noting that perhaps Palin subconsciously wished she had more time. Conroy wrote more condescendingly about it — noting that someone needs to change Palin’s teleprompter script. Same incidence, but spun two very different ways.
This is why I don’t trust the press. I trust what I see first hand. I trust what I read from the primary sources.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 3:33 PM
I guess we’ll see how it turns out. They work for different news organizations, at different ends of the ideological spectrum, and they have different personalities as individuals. Maybe they’ll balance each other out. After reading through all their posts I’m more concerned about editing now that I’ve read Painter’s post. This post of Conroy’s cracked me up.
meltenn on December 20, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Another article about the drug bust. Things are looking a little suspicious:
I sure hope these troopers aren’t playing political games here. I don’t understand why they didn’t the troopers state from the beginning that Johnson was busted for oxyc*ntin. They led everyone to believe that she was running a meth lab in her backyard. Oxyc*ntin is much more sympathetic.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 3:49 PM
That was an awesome post. The photo of the reindeer “attack” Sushannah cracked me up. I wonder if anyone has a “Journeys with George” type campaign video diary? I would love to see something like that.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM
I’m still not clear on why the ADN originally reported (and continues to report) the story as if it’s front page news. It’s a small-time drug bust that should get a two sentence mention on the crime page in the Wasilla paper. The only reason the ADN is even reporting on this is to hit Palin. That, or to get hits on their website. Probably a little of both. Everybody seems to be hitching (or has hitched) their star to her to get their fifteen minutes and make some money: Monegan, the ADN, Conroy and Walshe, SNL, basically every other news organization in the known universe, and on and on (and that doesn’t even mention all the shady people that tried to turn her into a sex object).
meltenn on December 20, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Bingo! Ironic that a woman who was derided because the RNC had to purchase a wardrobe for her has become a cash cow for so many.
I’m still annoyed about the criticism of the travel expenses. They keep criticising her for taking her kids on official functions. They state, “what could the kid be doing for the state? How can the kid be on state business?” Well, what did Chelsea do for the United States when she traveled all over the globe with her parents during the Clinton presidency? These media idiots act so self-righteous — as if they’ve never put a lavish dinner on their expense report. McCafferty at CNN railed about how Palin is a sleazy politician just like all the others for charging the state for her kids’ travel expenses. I want someone to rail about this every time the Obama kids are seen traveling as the First Family. Am I off base on this? I’d like to hear someone else’s opinion on this.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM
The only place I ever want to see Sarah Palin again is in a porn film. “Sarah does Wasilla”.
jim_collins on December 20, 2008 at 7:54 PM
And the name of your planet is…..?
jim_collins on December 20, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Earth, I would assume. What I find interesting is Palin-haters feeling the need to go onto a conservative site to express their depth of feeling about someone who is otherwise held to be an irrelevant joke. Care to enlighten?
ddrintn on December 20, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Misogyny at it’s finest. Ah, the Democrats. This is supposedly the party that feminists prefer. Go figure.
ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Misogyny at
it’sits finest.ramrocks on December 20, 2008 at 9:01 PM
IF AP would ban anyone on here this would be the ideal guy.
An Era of Hate on December 20, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Go away. And +1 on both ramrocks and An Era of Hate.
meltenn on December 20, 2008 at 11:23 PM
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