Ultimate heart-ache: Michelle dumps on atheists
posted at 1:57 pm on December 18, 2008 by Allahpundit
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But affectionately. Sort of. Except for her suggestion that believers treat them like “trolls.” Heh.
I think she’s referring specifically to the sort of jackassery going on at the capitol in Washington, of which neither I nor the other conservative atheist/agnostics I read are fans. But just in case not, I take comfort in knowing that I’ll always have Ayaan.
Exit question: Um, what exactly is Gretchen saying here? Christianity’s going to disappear unless we … take away atheists’ First Amendment rights?
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Pelayo, I would argue that we are getting close to complex and subtle issues, and thus perhaps out of place on a message board. I don’t think the creation of gambling institutions like casinos is equivalent to eating peanut butter. Yes, a private poker game in someone’s home may very well be like eating peanut butter. But I think there is a difference between not wanting to be all-controlling and forbidding institutions that promote vice like gambling. For instance, we also forbid prostitution, and the more reasonable arguments against marriage say yes we want to have some form of legal recognition for gay unions, but we just want to reserve the word “marriage” for heterosexual unions. I believe that the conservative way is to examine each issue on an individual basis and not try to make some general rule. General rules in the end do equate oranges with apples and 1/0 with 1.
thuja on December 18, 2008 at 8:37 PM
LimeyGeek, my favorite church is Landover Baptist.
Pelayo on December 18, 2008 at 8:39 PM
petefrt on December 18, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Oh, you’re right. well said.
LimeyGeek on December 18, 2008 at 8:36 PM
LoL..you’re killin’ me
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Earth wasn’t made, it was formed.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Atheists still cling to Einstein’s notion that reality (existence) is comprised of a single substance that manifests itself in one of two forms, viz. matter and energy. They are only 100 years behind the rest of us because we have now shown that there is a third form of reality/existence that they are unable to explain with their big-bang, standard model, quantum mechanics, and string theory.
My collie says:
Go ahead. Let’s hear your lame explanations.
CyberCipher on December 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Which “Bible” is being rejected? I certainly reject the Christian heretical books.
thuja on December 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM
CyberCipher on December 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM
From my cat, of course. And don’t tell me that’s a lame explanation. My cat is far superior to your collie.
:)
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 8:43 PM
My argument is the very existence of something proves someone or something made it. Even if it was made by something, like a machine, a person had to design that machine, so it was ultimately made or planned by that person. Anything that is organize had to be organized by someone. It doesn’t accidentally get organized. Pieces don’t accidentally come together and act as a whole. Randomness doesn’t produce things that act as a unit. Pieces thrown in a pile land randomly, so randomness is natural. Don’t be silly. Why would you disagree with this?
apacalyps on December 18, 2008 at 8:43 PM
IT’S time to equip the hotair login with a Breathalyzer.
apacalyps on December 18, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Cats rule, dogs drool.
FeralCat on December 18, 2008 at 8:45 PM
lol..don’t do that…..and don’t equip it with an IQ test, either. I like playing here!
:)
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Are you being serious, or are we all at the point of “I’m too tiered to think so lets be goofy”?
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Just like a 1973 Chevy Vega.
Pelayo on December 18, 2008 at 8:47 PM
FeralCat on December 18, 2008 at 8:45 PM
lol I’ve got both. My dogs don’t drool, but my cat is always one up on ‘em.
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Hotair should be equipped with a joy stick and a whoopee cushion.
Cheshire Cat on December 18, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Information is made out of people.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Yay, bottoms up, you LimeyGeek you!
Me, I’m transitioning into the Christmas season, listening now to Jesus Christ Superstar. After that, it’ll be Seusical, The Musical.
Merry Christams to all. I love this place. Thanks AP, Ed, and Michelle! It’s my “Cheers”.
BTW, where’s grue? In a gulag somewhere?
*eats*
petefrt on December 18, 2008 at 8:49 PM
What’s goofy about what CyberC said? forgive me, I’m a dumbass. But I didn’t think it goofy.
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 8:49 PM
They’re not doing it just to upset Christians. Atheists have always taken a hard line on separation of church and state. I wish they had chosen to present the positive side of atheism, but we have as much right to have a voice in City Hall as Christians, no matter what time of year.
RightOFLeft on December 18, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Most books are about aspects of human knowledge. Few people write books about human ignorance, despite the fact that there would be much more to write about.
Cheshire Cat on December 18, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Haven’t seen him since election week.
Maybe his boss finally caught on and locked him out, or maybe he is just lurking about because nothing interests him enough to comment without the election.
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 8:51 PM
That was certainly not designed..
the_nile on December 18, 2008 at 8:51 PM
RightOFLeft on December 18, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Presenting a hard line on separation of church and state is far different from demeaning the religions.
Freedom OF religion, not From religion. I’m just sayin’
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Because, to quote Pauli, he’s “not even wrong.”
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 8:53 PM
The Bible says if you seek after God, God will see to him, that you find Him. “But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul” (Deuteronomy 4:29).
You are right. Join us and fight the good fight!
apacalyps on December 18, 2008 at 8:53 PM
See HotAir’s headlines today where you will find:
My collie says:
Collie, I didn’t even know that you were Chinese.
CyberCipher on December 18, 2008 at 8:53 PM
So you are the creator?
mycowardice on December 18, 2008 at 8:54 PM
And then we’re back , who, what, when created the even more complex thing called god.
the_nile on December 18, 2008 at 8:55 PM
My son insists that his cat really enjoys watching “Old Yeller.”
Pelayo on December 18, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 8:53 PM
I so didn’t get that. (I know, I’m a dumba**)
CyberCipher on December 18, 2008 at 8:53 PM
LOL!
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Who funded Jesus’ campaign?
THEY are the creator.
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Uh…I dunno, all I can hear are her legs talking to me.
fossten on December 18, 2008 at 8:58 PM
I was wondering about him, too, just this morning.
pannw on December 18, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Cats & Dogs
Christians & Atheists
That should probably be the other way
Cats = atheists
Dogs = christians
Funny how that happened.
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Wait a minute there Religious_Zealot. Before you go accusing me of doing something wrong, do you know the whole story? And is the word “whore,” is it found in the Bible?
apacalyps on December 18, 2008 at 8:59 PM
The full quote runs something like “That isn’t right. It’s not even wrong.” Meaning: something must make sense, and be internally consistent, before it can be compared to observations in order to determine if it is right or wrong. Things that can’t even stand up to that level of scrutiny are thus “not even wrong.”
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:00 PM
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2008 at 8:57 PM
I’m not sure how deep you are thinking, but that sure doesn’t explain Abraham…..oh, stop me…
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Heh, no wonder I’m a cat person. Seriously, cats have this weird attraction to me… when walking to and from the mailbox/bus stop, all the strays pay me visit. Freaks me out, but now maybe I know why.
Anna on December 18, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Have you heard the new one? My favorite part is when the bad guys, (excuse my biblical ignorance), are discussing what they’re going to do about Jesus. The skinny bald guy has an awesome voice, especially on the bit were he sings:
What can we do
about Jesus of Nazareth?
(something, something, something)
The bald black guy is damn good too.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2008 at 9:02 PM
So Lincoln’s parents were the creator?
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Anna on December 18, 2008 at 9:02 PM
lol~ you’re the Godless magnent.
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2008 at 9:02 PM
You’re cute. I bet your mama smacked your head more than once growing up, huh>? :)
lol~
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Ezra created Abraham.
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Indeed. Who created the breathalyzer?
mycowardice on December 18, 2008 at 9:06 PM
If cats are atheists and dogs are christians, what animal would be islamic?
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Coyote.
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Coyote. Good one.
Scary, but that was good.
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:09 PM
So Better Than Ezra is the creator?
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Where am I Scripturally wrong?
apacalyps on December 18, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:05 PM
wha? I thought it was Yahweh who did the creating.
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:10 PM
It’s chapter 5. The best part starting at 20:38.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2008 at 9:10 PM
No, Ezra, the guy that wrote the Torah.
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:10 PM
And in the meantime, agnostic birds fly around thinking all you chumps fighting on the ground are funny.
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2008 at 9:11 PM
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2008 at 9:09 PM
LOL Limeygeek and madison….funny. must be kin.
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:11 PM
My collie says:
CyberCipher on December 18, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Especially since they eat cats and small dogs.
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Where are you and your Chinese dog located again now?
I and two of my friends would like to meet you for dinner sometime.
FeralCat on December 18, 2008 at 9:12 PM
…and birds, for that matter.
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Come on guys. They can post signs or make fun of us or whatever. It’s all good unless they start killing us en masse. Again.
Gaunilon on December 18, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Collie, FeralCat is trying to scare you with Arnold Swarzekitty..
My collie says:
Maybe — or maybe his walli-walli shriveled up like Arnold’s. That’s what all that steroid use will do to ya’ y’know.
CyberCipher on December 18, 2008 at 9:19 PM
The best I can come up with are puffer fish or lemmings.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Well boys another one scared incoherent just at the sight of us.
FeralCat on December 18, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:11 PM
yep, that’s the ’scary’ part of my comment.
There are coyotes in the neighborhood and I worry when my dogs get out.
Gaunilon on December 18, 2008 at 9:17 PM
well, I’ve seen some pretty, well, violent acts by some liberals in san fran over prop 8
It could go that way.
scary.
Today, a sign.
Tomorrow, a knife.
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:23 PM
CyberCipher on December 18, 2008 at 9:19 PM
lol! Your collie is rude!
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:24 PM
killer bees?
thuja on December 18, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I’m surprised nobody said Pigs.
I think Coyote is the best answer.
S c a r y
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:25 PM
…The puffer fish because they blow themselves up and the lemmings because they commit suicide.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Not a fan of Bill Cosby — I take it.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on December 18, 2008 at 9:26 PM
FloatingRock on December 18, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Thank you for the explanation. I didn’t want to ask and further show the dumba** that I am.
Good ones!
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Coyote’s bark at the moon, too—or is that only wolves…
FloatingRock on December 18, 2008 at 9:30 PM
The Scripture is perfect. The problem is in your interpretation of what was said and your certainty that it was said in a sinful (lustful) sense.
Ms. Esthier made jokes about meeting another commenter for intercourse which you did not find sound.
There is a difference between a joke and intent (not to even get into the act).
How does one lust in their heart after an anonymous commenter, a textual entity?
Possibly one could lust after someone they had never heard or spoken to in person but even if true it would be abstract… which is difficult to reconcile with a yearning for the flesh. (That is just my opinion though some scientists say that men are more conducive to visual stimuli than women).
Yet you are entirely certain that Ms. Esthier has lusted in her heart after someone with whom she has no contact with bar textual communication.
I do not think that purely written communication is without any consequence. I am against profanity for instance.
You are saying that you know for definite that Ms. Esthier was talking in complete seriousness (she claims she was joking) in pursuing a man whom she has never seen or talked to.
You are not just saying this but insisting upon it, even though she says that is not the case, and slinging “whore” at her as a corrective.
I think that you would agree that Christians should probably not joke about committing infidelities but that is not the same as committing infidelities (even in the heart).
Hope that helps.
aengus on December 18, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Islam is a death cult. Muslums kill infidels. Hyenas eat anything that’s dead.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on December 18, 2008 at 9:36 PM
uh yeah according to yousince christians have done bad things its ok that hitler did what he did..
yeah you don’t look ‘fooling’ now do you?? :rolleyes:
moron.
right4life on December 18, 2008 at 9:37 PM
What’s this about Christians vs Atheists? Christians represent only about 1/3 of the world’s population. That means that a whole boatload of people do not believe in Jesus. That boatload believe in another god, several gods at once, or none of the above.
Pelayo on December 18, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Please don’t equate our ecosystems noble scavengers like hyenas and vultures with anything as disgusting as muslims.
thuja on December 18, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Between the Chinese and the Indians, is half of the world polytheist?
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Good. I will hold you to that. I don’t waste a lot of time on scoffers like you because there are so many sincere people who want and need the truth that it is unfair to divert much energy to those who do not want to hear.
You perverse fool. I did not call Esthier a “whore” anywhere in this thread. Go back and check. She brought it up! NOT ME!!!! I didn’t even message her until she sent me a message. That said, if she continues to claim that she is a Christian (who is married) yet participates in filthy conversation and lusts like you two did before, I won’t hesitate for a second to call her out again. The Bible says, “Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge” (Hebrews 13:4). I’m actually helping this person! Madison, you are a lying cheating scoundral peddling this canard that I have done something wrong, when it is YOU who owes Esthiers husband an apology! Any man who leaves you alone with his wife is insane! You are a conmen of the highest order.
apacalyps on December 18, 2008 at 9:40 PM
You are. Not me.
apacalyps on December 18, 2008 at 9:45 PM
“Yes because I think if a decision is to be made properly, then it must be made on the basis of knowledge and not numbers.” (Plato’s Socrates: Laches,184e7-8).
LevStrauss on December 18, 2008 at 9:46 PM
The information in even the simplest organism would take about a thousand pages to write out. And humans are much more complicated. Anyone who thinks this could assemble itself randomly is insane.
apacalyps on December 18, 2008 at 9:48 PM
apacalyps,
You also called ColtsFan, a friend of mine and a wonderful guy, a “serpent” and “Satan” because he raised the issue of Kent Hovind’s ethical and legal problems. That was way out of line.
aengus on December 18, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Looks like someone thinks he’s god.
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Of course it could assemble itself randomly–quantum mechanics even requires it. Its just that the probability is low.
Good thing the theory of evolution doesn’t depend on that.
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:50 PM
yeah talking to those 2 is casting pearls before swine. I don’t bother with them.
right4life on December 18, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Count to 10, well, 66% the people on this planet are non-Christians. I don’t get your point about polytheism.
By the way, Islam teaches that Christians are polytheists because of this Jesus/God/Trinity thing.
Pelayo on December 18, 2008 at 9:50 PM
If it’s so silly explain to me where I am wrong? I work hard and research a lot to try to be right. I am certainly willing to be corrected by friend or foe.
apacalyps on December 18, 2008 at 9:51 PM
yeah and you can all thank the Crusaders, and people like Charles Martel for keeping them at bay, otherwise we’d all be muslim now.
right4life on December 18, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Converted atheists make great creationists.
apacalyps on December 18, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Your words, not mine, but you’ve affirmed my point in the process. So thank you.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Actually, I don’t think I had a point on that one. Random comment.
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:55 PM
uhh…cats, dogs, coyotes, hyenas, puffer fish….
all seem quite wise compared to people right now.
lol…but again…my reference point isn’t that brilliant….but..still..
At least the animals lash out at each other with reason. They’re simply hungry..gotta eat.
This thread is sad. People going at others..who they don’t know! freaking out…..and, I bet nobody is starving….
well, for food, anyway…
Kindness is underrated.
so is wine.
lol
bridgetown on December 18, 2008 at 9:55 PM
That sounds like a culinary tip.
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Yeah, we should definitely avoid demeaning religions.
RightOFLeft on December 18, 2008 at 9:56 PM
“As soon as a religion comes to prevail, it has as its enemies all those who would have been its first disciples.”
Frederich Nietzsche
LevStrauss on December 18, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Considering what is going on in Europe, Christianity seems to have lost its backbone. How long will these Islamic creatures be kept at bay? Considering where all the worlds oil is, I’m wondering just who God’s chosen people are.
Pelayo on December 18, 2008 at 9:58 PM
All Allahpundit has to do is say, “Atheism” and the thread jumps to 1,000 posts!
It’s like ringing the bell for Pavlov’s dogs.
Allah, you clever munschen!
Joe Pyne on December 18, 2008 at 9:58 PM
“God is dead.”
- Nietzsche
“Nietzsche is dead.”
- God
MadisonConservative on December 18, 2008 at 10:00 PM
It doesn’t matter either way. Nobody takes you seriously except maybe Saint Olaf and a few others, whereas Esthier is one of the best commentators here, IMO, and I know I’m not alone in thinking that.
FloatingRock on December 18, 2008 at 10:01 PM
The Crusades, when the Christians actually fought the muslims, instead of killing each other or the Jews, were a good thing. But in the big picture, the real hero of this history is Genghis Khan who ended the period of muslim military dominance. I’d also point people towards the 8th century Jewish Khazar Kingdom which slowed the muslims down in their early period of success.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar
thuja on December 18, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Ah Pavlov’s dogs, products of conditioning. When they stand on their hind legs for the first time they gain a higher line of sight, and weary legs.
LevStrauss on December 18, 2008 at 10:01 PM
uh yeah sure…nice little alternative universe you’ve constructed there…take off the tin-foil and get back on your meds…those guys in white really are your friends!
right4life on December 18, 2008 at 10:01 PM
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