Ultimate heart-ache: Michelle dumps on atheists
posted at 1:57 pm on December 18, 2008 by Allahpundit
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But affectionately. Sort of. Except for her suggestion that believers treat them like “trolls.” Heh.
I think she’s referring specifically to the sort of jackassery going on at the capitol in Washington, of which neither I nor the other conservative atheist/agnostics I read are fans. But just in case not, I take comfort in knowing that I’ll always have Ayaan.
Exit question: Um, what exactly is Gretchen saying here? Christianity’s going to disappear unless we … take away atheists’ First Amendment rights?
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They never answer that question. Well, wait, one did. He said he wasn’t judging me, he was just calling me stupid.
…yeah.
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Who designed Neanderthal? Was that part of the design development process? Prototype?
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 5:52 PM
oh so we should just let murderers out of prison, because ‘we shouldn’t judge’ right?
laughable and idiotic. get a clue.
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Then He is the insecure arrogant MF the Old Testament described. Anyone know how I can get to a universe where the gods are a bit less petty?
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 5:56 PM
you’ll get a nice universe without the God of heaven…He has a place just for you, and your ‘gods’…where they’ll feed on your soul..enjoy.
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM
and yes He has the power to do with you as He will….and your whining and protesting mean nothing…and when you face Him, you’ll be so terrified you won’t say a word…enjoy.
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 5:58 PM
They were awkward in church and didn’t worship well. No gods wanted them. They went the way of all supplies without demand.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 6:01 PM
.
There is a great difference between judging soemone’s crime against a civil establishment or an individual and judging their moral “crime” against religion. In my opinion, humans do not have the right to judge religious transgressions. It is a serious problem with people who are so perfect that they can judge someone’s sin.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Incorrect, Mr. Bizarro. Atheists say they are 100% sure that God doesn’t exist. The very definition of atheist is the doctrine or belief that there is no God! Look, a theist is a person who believes in God. If you put the letter “A” in front of a word in English it very often means the opposite, okay. So an (a)thiest is a person who does not believe in God, or at least claims he does not believe in God. If you are not sure God exists, then you would be considered, “agnostic” (which means, I don’t know) not an atheist.
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 6:04 PM
we are commanded to judge those within the church…or those that claim to be part of the church….Paul handed several people over to Satan for judgement…one for the destruction of his flesh, that his soul would be saved in the last days….2 others..hymeneus and alexander, to be taught not to blaspheme….
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:04 PM
from YAHOO Dictionary: gnostic – Of, relating to, or possessing intellectual or spiritual knowledge.
Of or relating to Gnosticism
Put an a in front of gnostic, just like the a in front of theist. Gee, do I have to teach you everything?
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Spooky! Is that the kind of stuff that scared you into insanity?
Don’t worry for me, the demons will go hungry. I have no soul to feed on.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 6:08 PM
…but he loves you!
He loves you, and the people he talks to need money.
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 6:09 PM
right4life, you example is Paul, the woman hater?
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 6:10 PM
just remember our little conversation when you get there…I’m all for people getting what they want. You don’t want God? He’ll oblige…ever think He doesn’t want you either??
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Paul hated women? its obvious you hate Paul, those like him (christians) and Paul’s Lord.
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:13 PM
right4life, it would be much better if you would just STFU and pray for us like you are supposed to.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 6:14 PM
looks like the truth HURTS doesn’t it sonny?
much better for me huh? sounds like a threat…whacha gonna do boy?
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Paul, who stated that women should not speak up in church.
Paul, who stated the only reason to marry was to avoid fornication.
Paul who said, “women are inferior to men.”
You must be thinking of another Paul.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 6:19 PM
you’re a liar. same old same old…can’t you atheist wackos come up with anything new?? can’t evolve can you now??? *smirk*
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM
right4life, I am just telling you in a backward fashion that your cheap condemantions seem rather un-Christian or more like an 11th Century Christian attitude.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Hey, BKennedy. I can’t help but notice you keep taking cheap shots at me. Normally such antics get little or none of my attention, but now your insults are getting more frequent and offensive. It is a great American tradition that the accused gets to face his accuser. So if somebody is accusing me of something, like you have done on this web site here, then you should face your accusers. You get a right to defend yourself which I am going to do here. So, what is your problem? What have I said that you disagree with, or that is Scripturally incorrect, or otherwise? God knows that I want to be accurate and would never purposely tell a lie to promote my point. If I am wrong, I will admit it and change whatever I need to change to make it right. Thank you.
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM
I’m sure you’ll have the transcripts at hand. I suppose God will laugh a good while over your pompous comportment. Then we’ll be assigned the same holding cell for a century or two, where we’ll make good friends. It’ll take a long time for you to get over feeling like an ass, but you will eventually. After all, eternity is forever.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM
like I care what you think?
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:24 PM
for some it will seem much longer than for others!
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:26 PM
I think you have had one of them there epiphanies – now you know exactly how I feel when anyone says I am going to hell.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 6:27 PM
you’re wasting your time with bkennedy..he’s trash, like the other atheist trolls on here.
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Nothing. I admire the great faith of the atheists.
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 6:28 PM
you don’t believe in hell, so why would it upset you? and I don’t go threatening people online, or to their face. usually people who do so, are all talk.
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Now I’m trying to think of a comparable group of people that operate under religious principles from the Dark Ages. You know, like executing infidels.
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Side note: I’m currently watching Doctor Who, the story named Day of the Daleks.
I can’t help but think the image of those tinpot repetitive nuts fits certain posters here to a T.
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 6:35 PM
To all fellow atheist and agnostic hell bound sinners, my time is expired, time to surrender the ‘puter to my son for a couple of hours. Have at it.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Yes indeed my pompous friend! Don’t worry though; we’ll laugh about it together up There. I’ll rid myself of my agnosticism and you’ll lose your pomposity. We’ll all be perfected.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 6:36 PM
if wishes were horses…..laugh it up now, while you can!! hahahahahahahahahah
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Not at all.
Speakup on December 20, 2008 at 6:41 PM
and yes I do get a laugh out of the arrogance and foolishness of the atheists!!
you have no idea how frightening the darkness is…but you will…and I’m all for people learning things the hard way! *smirk*
right4life on December 20, 2008 at 6:44 PM
He’s right. Hang on…
*turns out the light*
*chills*
*turns light back on*
Meh. Just have to let your pupils adjust.
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 6:56 PM
You’re almost there bud, keep riding hard!
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 7:28 PM
So you expect your reward is to be up in Heaven smirking down at tormented unbelievers for eternity? Is that the prize your little mind aspires to? Regard your response indelible.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 7:50 PM
right4life, Reflect on the reflection and consider your possible destinations.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Arrogance? Who around here is claiming to be made in God’s image, certainly not me.
When I consider all the variables that make up the Earth, its orbit, gravitational constant, size, solar intensity, amount of water. lack of meteor impacts, magnetosphere, and a myriad other circumstances, I am humbled that it all came together.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 8:26 PM
We’ll see if he comes forth. He has accused me of doing wrong. I have a right to face my accuser.
In the meantime, right4life, I would like to give you some friendly advice. Let me first say: I think you love the Lord and are trying to serve Him. I believe that. I see you debating in here and often I agree with you. We are on the same side on many issues. However, one thing I have always hoped you would do — is that you clean up your language. See, when you say something I generally agree with, yet call somebody “trash,” that makes it very difficult for me to respond, because I cannot condone the bad language. Remember, I am only trying to help you here. I confess that I have very little patience with the scoffers myself after a few exchanges, so I understand your frustration. But, being frustrated doesn’t mean we can use derogatory language like the above. It lessens the impact of your argument and turns you into a poor witness for Christ. Of course, Christians can use strong words for strong circumstances, but some of your cursing, etc, is a real problem and one you need to correct (as we all need to improve ourselves). The Bible says, “let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil” (Matthew 5:37). Even the use of mild euphemisms (considered less offensive) in place of profane words is wrong and is not of God, but rather, “from the evil one.” We can speak out boldly when we base our beliefs on God’s Word, but the Bible is clear that we are to put off “filthy communication out of your mouth” (Colossians 3:8). Christians don’t have to sink to the level of the scoffer to win an argument. Final note: I am only trying to remind you, right4life, what you already know. As I said, it appears we are on the same side fighting the scoffers. May God mightily bless the work of your hands and all you do for the King and the Kingdom. Thank you.
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 8:32 PM
They might wanna turn this place into a dating site. Could mean revenue. This is a great place to meet atheists!
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Not to mention being called a liar.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Yea, yea.
Nay, nay.
Um…what else? <—–OH NOES, IT’S TEH EVUL!!!!
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 8:43 PM
There are active liars in this forum. People who lie proficiently. Actually, if you’ve ever told a lie you are a liar. I am a liar in the general sense as I have told a lie in my life.
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Oh no, see, it’s okay to call someone a liar when you are telepathic, and even more so when you know what someone thinks better than they do. Bow in the presence of your mind-reading god.
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 8:44 PM
apacalyps, to be honest I hadn’t thought much of you before. But you’ve got good business sense at the least! Post a picture of what you’ve evolved into!
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Found one.
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 8:52 PM
That is a very interesting concept of lying. Once a liar always a liar? I’m guilty of lying. I am compelled to lie when shown pictures of other people’s grandchildren, or babies. I expecially lie when someone asks me if I like children. No, I don’t lie, I tell them I like my children.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 8:53 PM
You told a lie? Was it the kind of lie we’d be interested in hearing more about?
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Thank you. I cannot reproduce with this species. Is there another?
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 9:02 PM
You must be pretty upset about losing your tail, huh? The textbooks say, “Humans have a tailbone that is of no apparent use.” They say you used to have a tail, but it evolved away, now you have a tailbone you no longer need. I don’t know about you, but that sounds like a good organ to have. How come we don’t have ‘em anymore? A tail would certainly be handy to carry in the groceries! And driving the car! You could hold the steering wheel, change the radio station, and eat a hamburger all at the same time!
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 9:07 PM
That has two meanings. Do you mean that a hybrid would not result or you cannot stomach the prospects of trying.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Of course, I have lied in my life many times. Since I’ve been saved though and started following Christ, I repented of my sins and try not to do it anymore. The Bible says, “All liars, will have their part in the lake (of fire).” Revelation 21:8
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 9:11 PM
I can’t stomach the prospects that it could reproduce at all. Think of the prospect of mind-readers being born left and right.
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Logic implies creation. Complex things that act as a unit cannot be accidental.
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 9:17 PM
To tell the truth the loss of my cranial hair was more emotionally devastating. I remember having cranial hair, then it was gone. I can feel around my fat ass, but still can’t detect any tailbones, though the X-ray images show them. If I had a tail I’d want a prehensile one. Otherwise it’s just a big hunk of meat hanging off my ass. It’d help me counterbalance my huge thing without stooping back, but otherwise useless.
A prehensile tail I could use. It’d be great for trimming the plane and fishing for my charts while I kept a look out for traffic.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 9:20 PM
If a box or a pen cannot make themselves out of nothing, animals and people, who are far more complex than boxes and pens (which are objects designed by people) and are so minor as to be ridiculous in comparison, cannot make themselves out of nothing. It’s absurd! Evolution is a joke!
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Well, if your ancestors swung by their tails, why don’t you? It sounds like a lot of fun!
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Does God have different punishments for degrees of lying? If you go to a maternity ward and look through the window at a newborn child and tell your friend what a beautiful baby he or she is; that is one degree of lying. When a president says that he didn’t have sexual relations with that woman, that is anther degree of lying.
Are they punished the same?
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 9:27 PM
A saw box make itself out of nothing once, but it didn’t do anything interesting afterward. Lack of reproductive mechanisms and sex drive I suppose. If boxes could reproduce (sexually or asexually) they’d be much more interesting to watch and germane to your point.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 9:35 PM
When a primate species quits living in trees for a myriad of reasons, there is no environmental pressure for the tail to remain. Furthermore, not all tree dwelling primates have prehensile tails. Also mountain gorilas have lost the ability to grip a tree limb with their feet. When a prehensile tail becomes essential for an animal to survive, that trait will become enhanced over time.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 9:37 PM
My ancestors may have lived in trees in Africa. I’ve only been to Africa for a few days at a time and always had a hotel room.
But you have a good point. Why don’t Chimpanzees, Bonobos or Gorillas have tails?
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 9:39 PM
There are fewer ugly babies than Gods.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Can I just say that this entire discussion is just too juvenile for words?
You Christians: you’re never going to explain to the atheists how Christianity fits together theologically. Two reasons: 1) They genuinely don’t care, they’re not asking in order to understand, they’re asking in order to taunt. Your best bet is to ignore them. 2) Most of you who are answering (with 1 or 2 exceptions) truly don’t know enough sound theology to fill a damn thimble.
You atheists: for crying out loud, what the hell is wrong with you? You think you’ve actually proved something by asking disingenuous questions on a topic you go out of your way to make sure you don’t understand? How juvenile is that??? You actually think you’ve established something by finding some dumb Christian who knows about enough of his own religion to fill a 3 x 5 notecard, asking him about things he barely understands himself, and getting him tied in knots? You’re like the bullies on the grade school playground, thinking you’re big stuff ’cause you can make a kid half your size cry. If you had balls as big as a flea, you’d stop fooling around with the guys here and go sit down some serious theologians, and try to explain what you believe to them, and then you’d find out just how well-formed your own thoughts are. You’re all a bunch of brainless f***ing cowards as far as I’m concerned.
Now all of you, go spend your time doing something worthwhile, and stop squabbling like damn infants. Jeez.
philwynk on December 20, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Yes. There are different punishments in hell. Jesus said “every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.” Matthew 12:36
Every unnecessary (ie, idle, empty) word we will have to give an account of in the day of judgment, and it will have a bearing on their degrees of reward in heaven, or degrees of suffering in hell. .
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 9:44 PM
And humans would cultivate these reproducing boxes and selectively breed them to get the best kind of box for the use. Breeding round hat boxes would be difficult if the only box species were square or rectangular. A cross between a box and a barrel might produce a rounded hybrid.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Ever heard of spontaneous generation?
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Logic alone shows the impossibilty of people being here as a result of evolution. Logic tells me that boxes and pens didn’t come togather by chance, didn’t evolve. You already know that, but do you see the implication?
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM
It’s 45 degrees outside and raining cats and dogs, and I don’t drink alcohol.
You have identified part of the problem, the Christians with their index card knowledge are the ones who usually are pressuring school boards to teach Genesis creation.
What is more troubling to me is the lack of even the basic knowledge of any scientific method.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Ok Mom! We’ll stop! I promise!
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Heard of it, never seen it. Are you a specimen?
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 10:03 PM
It’s 20 degrees out, and snowing, with a couple feet of the crap already stacked up, in a city where the roads being clear is a low priority.
So in the meantime, since you’re such a theological sage, why not amuse us with the vastness of your superior knowledge? Also, please explain why you didn’t address the equally disingenuous questions asked by mind-reader up there, especially those lovely little pointless quizzes.
What has been your contribution to this post so far? About the same as the amount of conservatives in a feminist bookstore. So, if our discussion is driving needles through your head, might I suggest the power button on your computer might help relieve the excruciating agony?
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Is that similar to prematur eja. . . . never mind.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 10:06 PM
LOL. Care for a banana?
Some primates don’t have tails. That proves great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great Grandpa was a monkey swinging from a tree. Did we get our morals from apes too? (Let’s hope not.)
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Madison, that snow and cold is not supposed to happen, Al Gore said so. It’s not January yet, but I live in East Tennessee.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Smooth move apacalyps. That coulda been forgotten. But you’re the first ass is in the wringer now df.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Do you have a basic understanding of the 2nd Law od thermodynamics? If so, please explain it in a nutshell. Thank you.
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Large primates (Orangs excepted) generally prefer red meat. Stick you banana back in the monkey cage where it’s appreciated.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM
If you cannot answer my question, “Ever heard of spontaneous generation?” then don’t waste my time. As I said, if a box or a pen cannot make themselves out of nothing, animals and people, who are far more complex than boxes and pens (which are objects designed by people) and are so minor as to be ridiculous in comparison, cannot make themselves out of nothing. To which you replied,
You’re saying here that my argument that inanimate (non-living) cannot change themselves and become alive is geramane – you are saying it is not relevant. I am asking you again, “Have you ever heard of spontaneous generation? And if you have please explain what it is?”
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 10:25 PM
There are justifications for certain lies.
On an airplane one time a man got too tipsy from the liquor the stewardess was serving. He turned to the woman across the aisle as said, “You have the ugliest damn baby I have ever seen in my life.” The woman immediately screamed for a stewardess and demanded the plane be landed and the drunk be put off. Even the Skymarshal got invloved. He told the woman to calm down and he would get a banana for her monkey.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Here’s what you do: Do what I did. Enroll in an accredited university and earn yourself an engineering degree. There is a word for your argument style – juvenile.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Entropy, here ya go-
dS=dQ/T
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Yes, I’ve heard of it. It doesn’t make much sense though. Spontaneous generation of something out of nothing? Unbelievable. Like your God.
The development of simple self-replicating molecules which over longer periods of time become even more complex self-replicating molecules? Almost unbelievable. But not quite as much as before. Here we begin to border on the plausible.
DarkCurrent on December 20, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Typical scoffer reply. No amount of evidence will convince those who love their sin.
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I’m glad you don’t believe in spontaneous generation (that is, inanimate (non-living) things can change themselves and become alive). That’s smart, and it’s logical. everybody knows that life cannot come from nonliving materials. Now, let me ask you: Did you know that spontaneous generation is part of the evolution theory?
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Typical uneducated twit reply.
MadisonConservative on December 20, 2008 at 10:55 PM
I am not sure if you are being serious or not here (I assume that you aren’t), so I won’t take what you say to me seriously until you clearly demonstrate to me that you wish me to do so.
I will state seriously that I don’t agree with the premise that God exists outside of time though.
Bizarro No. 1 on December 20, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Time is a creation of God’s, and He is not restricted by it. So it is an error placing God within time, because God exists outside of time. The God that I worship is not limited by anything involving time, space or matter.
apacalyps on December 20, 2008 at 11:07 PM
You really need a Bible passage to reinforce that.
Genesis 1:1 does not say: “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and time.”
What verse is this?
“And God said, Let there be time: and there was time.”
I posted a coment a few days ago about things being made up. I think this is one.
Pelayo on December 20, 2008 at 11:21 PM
The problem between us on this topic is that we aren’t in complete agreement on how we are defining our terms. For one thing, I don’t agree with the notion that having faith in the idea that God doesn’t exist makes such atheism a religion. All faith is not religious in nature. As I stated before, I believe that religious faith requires an object to be religious about, and it isn’t possible to be truly religious about something that you don’t believe exists. Also, what you are defining as agnosticism I define as atheism. I define an atheist as someone who believes that God doesn’t exist i.e a disbeliever, regardless of the disbeliever’s degree of certainty of his/her disbelief. I define an agnostic as someone who hasn’t made a decision whether God exists or not i.e. a nonbeliever. Not all nonbelievers are disbelievers.
When you say, “So many questions could be answered by his existence, and those questions still have no proven answer”, it doesn’t seem you are considering the thought that just because something hasn’t been proven to you doesn’t mean it hasn’t been proven at all. For example, OJ’s guilt has been satisfactorily proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt, and thus it doesn’t matter to me one whit that it hasn’t been so proven to everyone else. God’s existence is in that same boat of mine.
Bizarro No. 1 on December 21, 2008 at 12:31 AM
What do you think admitting that you treated someone like a dog beneath you rather than a human on your level says about your character as a person?
Bizarro No. 1 on December 20, 2008 at 2:34 PM
You said, “I would, but it’s like tossing a ball into a kitchen with a waxed floor, and watching the dog run after it, slide across the floor towards it, smash headfirst into the wall, and then pick up the ball with pride that it did exactly what I wanted it to do“. If you weren’t referring to apacalyps there, just who/what were you referring to?
Bizarro No. 1 on December 21, 2008 at 12:46 AM
The concept of god does not fall under any of the definitions of object, as a noun. Therefore, you may want to rethink your belief. I’ll repeat: it requires an idea or belief. god is an idea or belief, as is zen, and yin/yang, and enlightenment, and other such things. All of these are ideas that are based purely on faith, and people live their lives based upon their faith being true. Atheists live based upon the idea that there is no god. Hence, religion.
…um, I’m pretty sure that’s the definition I already asserted:
The latter is a nonbeliever, and the former is a disbeliever. I’m not sure where you got confused as to my description.
No one has proven what created the universe, nor proven what the reason for our existence is, or if there is even a reason at all. No one has proven the age of the earth. These and other things are question that are answered by science with estimates and guesses based on comparably miniscule models, and are answered by religious folk by citing a book written by human beings. They’re both unconfirmed (and probably cannot be confirmed.).
MadisonConservative on December 21, 2008 at 12:55 AM
I was referring to apacalyps. I’m still waiting for you to show me where I’ve admitted doing that in real life. You do understand the concept of metaphors, and how often we create imaginary events to use in them?
For example, say I said talking to you was like talking to a brick wall. Do you believe I’ve actually gone up to a brick wall and started talking to it?
Again, if you’re going to try to score cheap shots by claiming me to be some sort of horrible person and therefore unfit to discuss morality or theology, please, grow up and get some integrity. If you’re not going to keep trying that childish ploy, then we can continue.
MadisonConservative on December 21, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Hopefully you won’t mind me interjecting here. If you do, you can just ignore me. :)
You said, “Only a flawed and imperfect God would design beings that sin by default while not wanting sin.” I’d like to ask you where you got the idea that God might have designed beings who sin by default.
You said, “Do you claim God is imperfect and the author of a flawed design?” I say yes to both, but yes in different ways than you expect.
Bizarro No. 1 on December 21, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Do you know for a fact that He will never show mercy to fallen angels?
Bizarro No. 1 on December 21, 2008 at 1:04 AM
I missed this message. Thank you. But, really, I take no pleasure in bringing it up. It pains me to have to do it. And I’ve only done it here in defence of myself as I was being wrongly accused of lying.
apacalyps on December 21, 2008 at 4:26 AM
I guess the disillusioned believers in the various mutually contradictory fantasies called religions do have one advantage. When their personal life switch gets toggled to the off position they’ll never have to confront the fact that they were wrong.
Annar on December 21, 2008 at 7:23 AM
Hebrews 2:
16For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants
right4life on December 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM
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