Global warming hits Las Vegas

posted at 11:58 am on December 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

I’ve been writing about the early and colder winter that has hit the Twin Cities, but let’s face it – below-zero temperatures and huge snowdrifts in Minnesota don’t exactly make headlines, even if the bitter cold is at least a month early.  For news like that to make an impact, record cold temperatures and heavy snowfall would have to hit someplace that least expects it and has no preparations to deal with it — and a place that everyone recognizes.

How about … Las Vegas?

A rare snowstorm blanketed the Las Vegas Valley on Wednesday, delaying flights, causing widespread fender-benders and canceling events. As much as 8 inches of snow fell in parts of the valley, forecasters said this morning.

The rarities continued Wednesday night with the Clark County School District’s announcement that students are getting a snow day today. It’s the first snow day for Clark County students since 1979, when a storm dropped 9.9 inches of snow in January that year.

With ice and snow on the roads, and district buses responsible for transporting more than 80,000 students, closing school was the prudent move, Superintendent Walt Rulffes said.

Bus drivers, teachers and other classroom employees will also have the day off. Administrators, 12-month employees and office staff are expected to be at work, since some students might show up at school and require adult assistance, Rulffes explained in an e-mail to staff. In a statement this morning, the school district said all school-based food service personnel, food service truck drivers and warehouse employees are not to report for work. However, all other food service personnel shall report for work or contact their supervisor.

Want to bet how many of the casinos closed?  I’d take the over/under at zero.

Eight inches of snow would qualify as a major snowstorm in Minnesota, where we have the infrastructure to deal with it.  It would greatly impede traffic, snow emergencies would get called in the metropolitan areas, and the roads would slow to a crawl, although schools wouldn’t close.  Four inches in Vegas proper — where they won’t have snowplows at the ready — is a disaster.  Ice makes it even worse, and indicates that the temperatures dropped dramatically as the precipitation fell.

How badly does this impact Vegas?  Snow has only fallen in December there on four occasions in the past 70 years, which means they have no infrastructure to handle it.  McCarran Airport, the main entry and exit point for the city’s vital tourist business, has no equipment to clear snow from the runways.  They’re having to improvise, and the delays are damaging the city’s business at a time when they can ill afford it.

Snow in the desert.  Record colds.  Vegas paralyzed by ice, snow, and resultant power outages.  That global warming sure looks interesting now.

Update: A Cox and Forkum classic, courtesy of Newton in the comments:

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In 2004, I went to vegas and the day I left snow covered all the surrounding mountains of the city. Made driving on the 15 very interesting. Snow also covered the mountains near the Nevada/California border, and closed the Cajon Pass into the LA basin as well. I’m talking a good 3-5 inches worth of snow. It snowed down to the lowest evelation I’ve ever seen in SoCal.

That was in November of that year. When its usually still a good 60/70 degrees here.

conservativejack on December 18, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Darwin,

More from that same article:

The fact that recent changes to Greenland’s ice sheet mirror its behavior nearly 70 years ago is increasing researchers’ confidence and alarm as to what the future holds.

… Right, because the climate change that ensued in the 1940s and 1950s was just AWFUL… do you remember that time in 1941, when the rise in global sea levels completely inundated the naval base at Pearl Harbor? Such a tragedy… all those lives needlessly lost…

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 1:19 PM

If you think snow in Las Vegas, or the Mojave, isn’t newsworthy, then you’re an idiot.

apollyonbob on December 18, 2008 at 1:12 PM

I went to Vegas back in 2004 and it snowed.
NEWSWORTHY!

e-pirate on December 18, 2008 at 1:21 PM

When it’s hotter, it is due to AGW.

When it’s colder, it is due to AGW.

When it’s the same, it is due to AGW.

Now give me your money and destroy your economy.

jukin on December 18, 2008 at 1:23 PM

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Everyone knows those torpedo’s hitting the water were man made tsunami’s

Rovin on December 18, 2008 at 1:24 PM

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 1:19 PM

“increasing researchers’ confidence and alarm as to what the future holds”

I guess they can’t admit that nothing really happened, and what the future holds in store is nothing.

darwin on December 18, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Are these global warming “experts” related to any of the so-called “financial experts”?

“Just shut up and give us all of your money and things will be OK”

Am I the only one getting really tired of these ‘tards?

G-man on December 18, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Hmmm, so how about that Jet Stream!

upinak on December 18, 2008 at 1:25 PM

There was a well publicized prediction by the Gorebots a few years ago that by 2010 there would be 50 million climate refugees due to desertification caused by global warming. I guess we’ll be able to move all these refugees to the winter wonderland of Death Valley.

Buddahpundit on December 18, 2008 at 1:25 PM

I went to Vegas back in 2004 and it snowed.
NEWSWORTHY!

****-pirate on December 18, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Yeah temperatures getting up to 103 degrees in the summer sure is though eh matey?

sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 1:25 PM

I have sworn not to visit Vegas again until they fire that asshat clown Dingy Harry Reid! Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!

dhunter on December 18, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Hmmm, so how about that Jet Stream!

upinak on December 18, 2008 at 1:25 PM

yeah how about that solar cycle as well….

the Goreons want you to believe that your car has more to do with the climate than that thermonuclear reaction that spawned this solar system and heats the area you live in 20 degrees in two hours….

“send it in send it all in the Gaia cult needs your scratch to appease the weather gods.”

sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Maybe “Hot Air” need to be renamed.

zmdavid on December 18, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Which is basically the point we make about global-warming hysterics. Let me know when we’re farming in Greenland again, and then I’ll get worried.

Ed Morrissey on December 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM

I will take the cattle.. you want the emu’s?

upinak on December 18, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, the warnings about global warming have been extremely clear for a long time. We are facing a global climate crisis. It is deepening.

Last year we had record temperatures in many cities. This year 200 cities in the Western United States broke all-time records. Reno, 39 days consecutively above 100 degrees.

The scientists are telling us that what the science tells them is that this – unless we act quickly and dramatically – that Tucson tied its all-time record for consecutive days above 100 degrees.

My friends, the truth is that our circumstances are not only new; they are completely different than they have ever been in all of human history.

- Al Gore (September 9, 2005)

MB4 on December 18, 2008 at 1:28 PM

I have sworn not to visit Vegas again until they fire that corrupt little clown Dingy Harry Reid!
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!

dhunter on December 18, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Rovin on December 18, 2008 at 1:24 PM

No no… that whole “Japanese attack Pearl Harbor” thing was just a Rove-ian plot to hide the effects of AGW from the world. Imagine, a whole war, just to keep the war machine going and spewing out its greenhouse gases! “Roosevelt lied, kids died!”

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 1:29 PM

The warmists argue that the trend is accelerating and irreversible. Just proving a warming trend isn’t enough, to be right, they need to show that warming is accelerating and irreversible and also bad (unless we turn ourselves over to magical communist world government).

zmdavid on December 18, 2008 at 1:00 PM

One thing I do for certain is that if there is global warming, socialist economic measures are not going to help. You have no idea how much scorn I have shown about CAFE standards to the global warming environmentalists. I tell them time and time again, just argue for higher energy taxes and stop the socialist micromanaging.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:29 PM

The people worried about the snow in the lower part of the continent are the ones who don’t know how to drive in the rain either.

fact!

upinak on December 18, 2008 at 1:30 PM

I tell them time and time again, just argue for higher energy taxes and stop the socialist micromanaging.

Yeah, like I tell the kids on my Little League team: for god’s sake, stop swinging at the ball and just hit it!

/sarc

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM

It is global warming that is causing these extreme temperature changes…This is a result of global warming and land Ice melts.

tomas on December 18, 2008 at 1:32 PM

I have been attacked as hating humanity because I oppose overpopulation of humans. By the same logic, I suppose I hate cheesecake, because I only want to eat one slice and not 20 whole pies.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:33 PM

I tell them time and time again, just argue for higher energy taxes and stop the socialist micromanaging.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Can you explain how forcing my energy prices up is going to resolve a problem (man-made global warming) that does not exist?

Maxx on December 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

tomas on December 18, 2008 at 1:32 PM

tomas, thank you so much for asserting that! I didn’t believe it when Al Gore said it… or when Obama said it… or when Leonardo DiCaprio said it… but now that TOMAS has said it, I know it must be true!!!

Tomas, you are well on your way to your own private jet, Oscar-winning film, and Nobel Prize. Congratulations!

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

hate cheesecake, because I only want to eat one slice and not 20 whole pies.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Depends on what kind of cheesecake…hater!

catmman on December 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

It is global warming that is causing these extreme temperature changes…This is a result of global warming and land Ice melts.

tomas on December 18, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Nice to see you could make it to the site today Al.

Maxx on December 18, 2008 at 1:36 PM

I have been attacked as hating humanity because I oppose overpopulation of humans.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Not by me. I only attacked you as falling for a 200-year old fallacy which has long since been disproven by the historical record. I attack you for being a dimwit who doesn’t think through much of what he is saying (witness your recent laughable distinction between higher energy taces and “Socialist micro-managing.”

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 1:36 PM

The Earth has a fever, and the fever is rising.
- Al Gore

MB4 on December 18, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Can you explain how forcing my energy prices up is going to resolve a problem (man-made global warming) that does not exist?

Maxx on December 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Well, yes I can. Higher energy prices cause less energy to be consumed.

(For the record, I take no stance on whether man-made global warming exist or not, and it’s my issue.)

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:38 PM

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Who defines acceptable population levels? What is to be done with the excess?
Most people with population concerns have unacceptable answers to those questions.

zmdavid on December 18, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Sorry to repost, but I forgot that key word “not”!

Can you explain how forcing my energy prices up is going to resolve a problem (man-made global warming) that does not exist?

Maxx on December 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Well, yes I can. Higher energy prices cause less energy to be consumed.

(For the record, I take no stance on whether man-made global warming exist or not, and it’s not my issue.)

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:38 PM

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:40 PM

The Earth has a fever, and the fever is rising more of ME and Carbon Credits!
- Al Gore

MB4 on December 18, 2008 at 1:37 PM

FTFY

upinak on December 18, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Gee…what are the odds. :)

KillerKane on December 18, 2008 at 1:41 PM

If the current solar trends continue, it will soon be so cold, the snow so deep, the sea ice extent growing so large, the glaciers growing so fast, that even the dumbest Obama voters amongst will realize Al Gore is a kook.

An interesting point of science — During the 20th century there have been multiple cold and warm hoaxes, every 30 years or so. But never has the sun responded, or as the case may be, caused the cold, by turning down the output like it has this time. The cold is real, deal with it — Science now says it will likely last 20 years or more.

The modern solar maximum has ended.

tarpon on December 18, 2008 at 1:41 PM

If we do not quickly reduce the global warming pollution that is trapping so much of the heat our planet normally radiates back out of the atmosphere, we are in danger of creating a permanent “carbon summer.”

Now comes the threat of climate crisis – a threat that is real, rising, imminent, and universal.

- Al Gore (December, 2007)

MB4 on December 18, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Ya know, Senator Reid, we’d have less CO2 emissions if we traded out those coal plants for nuclear power plants, if you would just let us put the waste in Yucca Mountain.

As for the snowplows, you’ll just have to settle for burning good old-fashioned gasoline or diesel fuel.

Unless you open your mouth and blow on the snow–enough hot air to melt it.

Steve Z on December 18, 2008 at 1:46 PM

So, Thuja: To (mis)quote a very noted man, “I would rather theydie, and they should do it, and decrease the surplus population.”

How do you propose to decrease the human population by 95 %, which is equivalent to your eating only one slice of cheesecake out of 20? You apparently only want 5% of the current human population. How, exactly, without making Hitler, Stalin, and Mao Zedong look like saints?

Vanceone on December 18, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Who defines acceptable population levels? What is to be done with the excess?
Most people with population concerns have unacceptable answers to those questions.

zmdavid on December 18, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Current levels of human population and consumption are the cause of our contemporary mass extinction event. The last such event occurred millions of year and lead to the death of the dinosaurs–the dominant species of that time. I’d prefer to just do what we can to discourage people from having too many kids, and respecting China’s decision to have a one-child policy. At the very least, we need to stop saying it is a woman’s right to bear as many children as she would like and have the government pay for them.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM

and universal.

- Al Gore (December, 2007)

I thought it was “Global”?!

Damn, now we’re destroying the entire universe?

Cancel Christmas…

catmman on December 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM

The Green Agenda

darwin on December 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM

He I Betrayed Us you!!! He I played on our your fears!!!
- Al Gore

MB4 on December 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Well, yes I can. Higher energy prices cause less energy to be consumed.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Your answer has lots of built-in assumptions and they are all wong.

Assumption #1: Man-made global warming is happening (it’s not)

Assumption #2: Fossil fuels are causing man-made global warming (which is not happening, so obviously this is wrong too)

Assumption #3: Higher fuel cost reduces fuel consumption. (this is true, at least for awhile. But it gets back to, why increase my fuel cost to solve a non-existent problem, which you never answered)

Maxx on December 18, 2008 at 1:49 PM

What an absurd post Ed. Vegas hit record highs in October and November but that did not merit a comment. Global averages matter much more (see WMO reports) than these anecdotal snippets that prove nothing.

lexhamfox on December 18, 2008 at 1:51 PM

I like how the maps that factoid manipulator linked to stops at 2005 because scientists that aren’t caught up in the global warming hype have stated that this cooling period we are in now started in 2006.

MobileVideoEngineer on December 18, 2008 at 1:52 PM

The last such event occurred millions of year and lead to the death of the dinosaurs–the dominant species of that time.

So overpopulation is why the dinos died off?

And WTF is this “current contemporary mass extinction event” of which you speak?

catmman on December 18, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Al Gore, and the environmental movement are nothing more than an integral part of this …

darwin on December 18, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Damn, now we’re destroying the entire universe?

Cancel Christmas…

catmman on December 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM

If Al Gore had a Universe of his own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn’t. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn’t be, and what it wouldn’t be, it would. You see?

Cheshire Cat on December 18, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Who defines acceptable population levels? What is to be done with the excess?
zmdavid on December 18, 2008 at 1:38 PM

They have computer models that can tell them how large the population can be. I’ve always been concerned that the one world communist solution to global warming is on shaky ground but history shows population control is right up the ally of communist governments. I believe the figure for stainable population is somewhere at about 1million people for North America. At least that is the figure we bandied about back in the 70s when I was very active in what was called Ecology at the time.

jmarcure on December 18, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Factoid has a great link he uses to give a point that Greenland’ inland ice is melting, but they see it as a Agricultural Boom.

Known for its massive ice sheets, Greenland is feeling the effects of global warming as rising temperatures have expanded the island’s growing season and crops are flourishing. For the first time in hundreds of years, it has become possible to raise cattle and start dairy farms.

So, hundreds of years ago there was less ice than now, back when SUV’s use to be vogue.

WoosterOh on December 18, 2008 at 1:55 PM

factiod:

Climate is the accumulation of weather over a long period of time. How long is the time constant (test question for factoid: explain the time constant of a system; no help from the audience please!) of the climate system? My guess is in the century range not the year or even decade range.

The last three winters in southern hemisphere constitute in aggregate the coldest consecutive winters on record. There has clearly been a shift in climate since the winter of 2007 when the El Nino gave up its energy in the second week of January and winter temperatures turned drastically colder in the Northern Hemisphere. This coincides with a weak solar output that reduces the re-heating of the planet.

Both climate and weather follow what is known as an autoregressive integrated moving average or ARIMA process. These processes generate cycles (second exam question for factoid: Why do ARIMA models exhibit cyclic behavior?) where there is a section where the second derivative of the rising segment is large and positive; then small and negative; then increasing and negative and at the bottom of the downside is the mirror image.

My guess is that an ARIMA model will perform better in short term forecasting the climate models used by the global warming crowd. Since the long term is an accumulation of short term results the continual updating of ARIMA models will produce more accurate long term climate forecasts then the so-called sophisticated climate models used to promote global warming alarmism

jerryofva on December 18, 2008 at 1:56 PM

According to Al Gore, the pools in Vegas should be open year round by now. :-)

JeffinSac on December 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM

OK, so it’s the role of government to decide how many kids people should have. I don’t like that answer.

I have my doubts about the current mass extinction event, too. In the US, we consume the most resources, so we should have the most extinct species. Name some. There should be thousands, if it’s a mass extinction.

zmdavid on December 18, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Well, yes I can. Higher energy prices cause less energy to be consumed.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Your answer has lots of built-in assumptions and they are all wong.

Maxx on December 18, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Is there anyway that I can state that I take no stance on the reality of man made global warming that will penetrate your mind? I’m only telling the people who do believe in man made global warming the economically sensible way to act on the information that they believe that they have.

I refuse to argue with anyone about global warming, because I wouldn’t know what I’m talking about. I realize that ignorance hasn’t stopped a lot of people from talking about it.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Current levels of human population and consumption are the cause of our contemporary mass extinction event. The last such event occurred millions of year and lead to the death of the dinosaurs–the dominant species of that time. I’d prefer to just do what we can to discourage people from having too many kids, and respecting China’s decision to have a one-child policy. At the very least, we need to stop saying it is a woman’s right to bear as many children as she would like and have the government pay for them.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Admit it you are a ten year old kid right?

jmarcure on December 18, 2008 at 1:59 PM

The Earth has a fever, and the fever is rising.
- Al Gore

MB4 on December 18, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Waiting for Gore to start attributing freezing/cooling temperatures to, “When you have a fever…you get the chills,” in 3…2…1…

selias on December 18, 2008 at 2:01 PM

We can hope for the day that the Government will be giving away SUV’s and free gas for us to leave our cars in the drive running, in hopes to warm the Earth so we can live productive lives again.

WoosterOh on December 18, 2008 at 2:02 PM

The Earth has a fever, and the fever is rising.
- Al Gore

MB4 on December 18, 2008 at 1:37 PM

And the only prescription is more cow bell carbon credits.

BadgerHawk on December 18, 2008 at 2:07 PM

thuja, I for one would like to hear your support for your assertions that:

a) Human population is the cause for some mass extinction event which you assert is happening

b) There is a mass extinction event currently happening

c) The current mass extinction event is on the same scale as the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event,

and

d) There have been no comparable extinction events in the ages between then and now.

… This should prove entertaining…

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Cheshire Cat on December 18, 2008 at 1:53 PM

ummm…yeah….

catmman on December 18, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I have my doubts about the current mass extinction event, too. In the US, we consume the most resources, so we should have the most extinct species. Name some. There should be thousands, if it’s a mass extinction.

zmdavid on December 18, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Actually most species are near the equator and not here in the US. Here’s a list of species going extinct from near where I live: http://www.fws.gov/midwest/endangered/lists/extinct.html, though it grossly under-reports the number of plant species. You can say it’s not that long, but when you start adding the number of endangered species, you are getting into a real problem for the ecology.

Keep in mind that while 99.9% of all species have gone extinct, what is worrying biologists is a sharp increase in the rate of extinction.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM

And thuja, while you’re at it (that is, the business of supporting the insupportable), please address the question I raised, namely that human ingenuity tends (in historic scale) to outweigh whatever issues of scarcity are raised by population growth. In particular, take a look at population and agricultural production figures in 1798, when Malthus first published “An Essay on the Principles of Population,” and similar figures now.

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 2:13 PM

thuja,

No one argued that NO species are going extinct. What you said was that we are undergoing a MASS (!!!) extinction event, one on the level of the K-T extinction. That is a laughable hyperbole, and posting a list of 17 species lost in the last two centuries in the area where you live does nothing to support it.

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 2:16 PM

GW believers do not take kindly to this news of unusually cold weather. They keep reminding us that weather is not climate which is somehow supposed to mean that a warming world does not have to be a wamer world, it can be a colder, icier world, too. In reality, they know the score but are confounded by the apparent unwillingness of nature to support their ideas. I believe there is an expression for that: An inconvenient truth.

keep the change on December 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Keep in mind that while 99.9% of all species have gone extinct, what is worrying biologists is a sharp increase in the rate of extinction.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM

So a survey conducted over 10 years ago says there is a mass extinction happening and that mankind would destroy at least 50% of species in 100 years.

This must be news here

They even found a new species of ebola virus.

I guess mankind is just killing the cuddwy, wuddly species…

catmman on December 18, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Keep in mind that while 99.9% of all species have gone extinct, what is worrying biologists is a sharp increase in the rate of extinction.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM

More Than 1000 New Species Discovered in Rivers, Jungles…and Restaurants of the Greater Mekong in Past Decade, WWF Reports (Dec 15, 2008)

MB4 on December 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM

This is typical: attribute natural events which have occurred throughout the entire history of the planet – first with climate, then with extinction – regardless of contrary evidence, to mankind and NOT to nature itself.

Huh. Trends do exist in science…

catmman on December 18, 2008 at 2:25 PM

thuja,

No one argued that NO species are going extinct. What you said was that we are undergoing a MASS (!!!) extinction event, one on the level of the K-T extinction. That is a laughable hyperbole, and posting a list of 17 species lost in the last two centuries in the area where you live does nothing to support it.

kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Kiltedsctosman, I thank you for the interest in these issues, but I’m afraid I’m going to have to wimp out today. I have some other things I need to do today, but given my fanaticisms, I’m sure you’ll have the opportunity to challenge me again and I promise to give you what I think are good answers. You may disagree with what I think is a good answer. Luckily, the fate of the world does not depend on the comments here at HotAir.

And, really, please do challenge me again!

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 2:29 PM

I don’t even know what I said above, but if people hear it…they don’t pay attention to who and where it came from. This is what happens in schools…If I’m a child and I heard my comment…I would say MOMMY!

tomas on December 18, 2008 at 2:32 PM

And the only prescription is more cow bell carbon credits.

BadgerHawk on December 18, 2008 at 2:07 PM

And I’m sorry, but the last time I checked, we didn’t have a lot of songs public policy that featured the cow bell carbon credits.

So if Bruce Dickenson Al Gore says we need more cow bell carbon credits, I think we should probobly listen to him.

BadgerHawk on December 18, 2008 at 2:33 PM

How badly does this impact Vegas? Snow has only fallen in December there on four occasions in the past 70 years, which means they have no infrastructure to handle it.

As a Vegas native, I lived through two of those snow storms (1973 and 1979), being young, it was certainly fun but EVERYTHING closed down. There are no plows so you just had to wait till the snow melted, which if I remember didn’t take long, much to every school kid’s dismay.

Ann NY on December 18, 2008 at 2:33 PM

For news like that to make an impact, record cold temperatures and heavy snowfall would have to hit someplace that least expects it and has no preparations to deal with it — and a place that everyone recognizes.

Don’t forget the dumping that fell on Texas and Louisiana, etc. a couple of weeks ago.

RightWinged on December 18, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Heh. Only a total moron would make a big deal like this about one little data point.

Oh, wait.

Wrong thread.

Big S on December 18, 2008 at 12:09 PM

It’s way more than one data point. Though you knew that already.

MarkTheGreat on December 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM

The “Climatic Optimum” that spanned 8000 to 4000 BC took mankind out of the caves and made us masters of the planet. Humanity thrives on warm periods, it does not suffer.

BL@KBIRD on December 18, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Maybe that’s the real reason why the environmentalists want to stop this warming before it can start.

MarkTheGreat on December 18, 2008 at 2:48 PM

I suppose I hate cheesecake, because I only want to eat one slice and not 20 whole pies.

The fact that you see little difference between a person and a baked good kind of proves the critics point.

Ann NY on December 18, 2008 at 2:54 PM

How about some fact from the hysterical chicken little types around here, like “factoid” (now there’s a moniker that’s a lie):

First of all the Earth has been cooling since 1998. Secondly the warmest year recorded was 1934, pre-WW2 economic expansion.

The artic ice is not shrinking its expanding.

Finally, here’s are some global warming myths.

Next time, I suggest writing about a subject you know something about, instead of pulling “facts” outta your ass.

Andy in Agoura Hills on December 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Harry Reid must have an explanation for this!

Isn’t this hell hole his district?

Hening on December 18, 2008 at 3:07 PM

What’s really interesting about all of this is how widespread it is! The Pacific Northwest getting cold and snow for over a week in December. Snow just above Malibu, in Vegas, January temperatures in the Northern Plains and Upper Midwest, etc., etc.

Those who say the Solar Cycle is moving rapidly into a quiet phase predict colder and snow for the planet. Those who say CO2 from cars, trucks, SUVs and methane from cow emissions predict warmer with sea level rises and shrinking glaciers.

A good theory is going to work in the real world. I’d say one is performing better than the other right now! I guess time will tell. Let’s hope the political debate is based on reality!

Ordinary1 on December 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM

I have been attacked as hating humanity because I oppose overpopulation of humans.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:33 PM

You hate humanity because you believe that there is such a thing as over population.

The earth could easily hold 5 to 10′s our current population.

MarkTheGreat on December 18, 2008 at 3:37 PM

mass extinction event.

More delusions by the terminally delusional.

There is no contemporary mass extinction event.

MarkTheGreat on December 18, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Global averages matter much more (see WMO reports) than these anecdotal snippets that prove nothing.

lexhamfox on December 18, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Good thing that global average temperatures have been falling for a decade.

MarkTheGreat on December 18, 2008 at 3:42 PM

More delusions by the terminally delusional.

There is no contemporary mass extinction event.

MarkTheGreat on December 18, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Gentle it may be a 18 year old who has been successfully brainwashed for its entire intellectual life.

The Gaia cult has institutionalized its secular rites into currcicula nationwide.

sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 3:42 PM

I believe the figure for stainable population is somewhere at about 1million people for North America. At least that is the figure we bandied about back in the 70s when I was very active in what was called Ecology at the time.

jmarcure on December 18, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Funny thing, including Canada and Mexico, we currently have well over 500 million, and are having absolutely no trouble maintaining that level. Heck, not only are we maintaining it, we are growing enough food to export to much of the rest of the world.

MarkTheGreat on December 18, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Keep in mind that while 99.9% of all species have gone extinct, what is worrying biologists is a sharp increase in the rate of extinction.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM

A small handfull of marginal species haven’t been seen in a few years. Whoop the freaking doo.

MarkTheGreat on December 18, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Funny thing, including Canada and Mexico, we currently have well over 500 million, and are having absolutely no trouble maintaining that level. Heck, not only are we maintaining it, we are growing enough food to export to much of the rest of the world.

MarkTheGreat on December 18, 2008 at 3:44 PM

The Malthusian cult is not really about “sustainability” it wants to pick the winners and the losers of as ALGORE likes to call it “life’s lottery”….

You owe it to yourself to press one of the Watermelons long enough to get them to admit they think 95% of people should either be sterilized or “go home”….

sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 3:47 PM

The over/under on speculation about Al Gore’s presence in Vegas was 5 comments. Not even close….

Tongueboy on December 18, 2008 at 3:55 PM

The over/under on speculation about Al Gore’s presence in Vegas was 5 comments. Not even close….

Tongueboy on December 18, 2008 at 3:55 PM

The Gore effect is a matter of record…he HAD to have at least flown overhead like a chicken fried platitude spouting Superman….

sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Many, perhaps even most species currently listed as seperate species do not deserve the title. Find a squirell with ears a tiny bit fluffier, or a belly marginally redder than the population of squirels on the other side of the mountain, and bing bang boom. You get your name into the record books. And that boys and girls is the primary reason why there are so many species. Biologists who want to make a name for themselves by discovering a new species. And the biologists who rule on whether the new find actually is a new species don’t want to upset the apple cart by senting too stringent a standard because, who knows, maybe next year they in turn will have a new discovery that they want labeled a new species.

At least half, probably more, of the species currently listed are in reality nothing more than geographically isolated populations of already existing species.

MarkTheGreat on December 18, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Snow in Las Vegas, Snow in New Orleans, Snow in Malibu, yep, this is some global warming the con artists are selling! Do any of these Global Warming freaks want to buy a bridge, I’ll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge really cheap!
Eventually these so called “scientists” are going to have an actual claim that is valid and no one is going to believe them because they’ve conned people and cried wolf one too many times.

nelsonknows on December 18, 2008 at 4:14 PM

This is crazy!!!! I live in Southern California, and when I woke up this morning, the foothills above our city were covered, I mean drenched in snow! I don’t recall that ever happening. It was gorgeous, but its slowly melting away now. DAMN YOU GLOBAL WARMING! SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!

El_Terrible on December 18, 2008 at 5:19 PM

Is Algore due in Vegas?

Seems like a classic example of the Gore Effect.

silverfox on December 18, 2008 at 5:28 PM

We need to steal back Earth’s fever from Al Gore and give it back to its rightful owner- disco.

Chuck Schick on December 18, 2008 at 5:37 PM

I refuse to argue with anyone about global warming, because I wouldn’t know what I’m talking about.

thuja on December 18, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Oh, well this must be a recent development because I sure can remember you piling-on and ganging up on me in the past. But that’s OK thuja, have a Merry Christmas anyway.

Maxx on December 18, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Damn, now we’re destroying the entire universe?

Cancel Christmas…

catmman on December 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Major HEH!!!

BigWyo on December 18, 2008 at 7:33 PM

What’s up??

DaveS and StarTrek boy are strangely not carrying ALGORE’S water in this thread.

Did a check bounce???

BigWyo on December 18, 2008 at 7:37 PM

What’s up??

DaveS and StarTrek boy are strangely not carrying ALGORE’S water in this thread.

Did a check bounce???

BigWyo on December 18, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Well they tried, or some other watermelons did anyway but what can they say?

Er uh um uh….climate ain’t weather?

Anyway the joke is on the nation at large because it was never about the “$cience” it is about the religion, the money, and the power…..

sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 8:14 PM

The comments on this thread are reminding me of the AP Biology course that I attended this summer when I wore my Al Gore Green Fool-Aid t-shirt except the numbers were reversed on pro- or anti-global warming. The only thing that generated more conversations was when I wore my Smoking is healthier than Fascism t-shirt:)

dawgyear on December 18, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Are these global warming “experts” related to any of the so-called “financial experts”?

“Just shut up and give us all of your money and things will be OK”

Am I the only one getting really tired of these ‘tards?

All these global warming nutjobs are a bunch of enviro-conspiracy theorists. In fact global warming is a conspiracy theory driven by what I call enviro-fascists. All they need to know is one thing is responsible among many for this planet’s climate change. Something that is 93,000,000 miles from earth. It’s something called THE SUN!

BobAnthony on December 18, 2008 at 9:45 PM

Smoking is healthier than Fascism t-shirt:)

dawgyear on December 18, 2008 at 9:29 PM

I wish I had one of those t-shirts.

Maxx on December 18, 2008 at 9:47 PM

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