Global warming hits Las Vegas
posted at 11:58 am on December 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
I’ve been writing about the early and colder winter that has hit the Twin Cities, but let’s face it – below-zero temperatures and huge snowdrifts in Minnesota don’t exactly make headlines, even if the bitter cold is at least a month early. For news like that to make an impact, record cold temperatures and heavy snowfall would have to hit someplace that least expects it and has no preparations to deal with it — and a place that everyone recognizes.
How about … Las Vegas?
A rare snowstorm blanketed the Las Vegas Valley on Wednesday, delaying flights, causing widespread fender-benders and canceling events. As much as 8 inches of snow fell in parts of the valley, forecasters said this morning.
The rarities continued Wednesday night with the Clark County School District’s announcement that students are getting a snow day today. It’s the first snow day for Clark County students since 1979, when a storm dropped 9.9 inches of snow in January that year.
With ice and snow on the roads, and district buses responsible for transporting more than 80,000 students, closing school was the prudent move, Superintendent Walt Rulffes said.
Bus drivers, teachers and other classroom employees will also have the day off. Administrators, 12-month employees and office staff are expected to be at work, since some students might show up at school and require adult assistance, Rulffes explained in an e-mail to staff. In a statement this morning, the school district said all school-based food service personnel, food service truck drivers and warehouse employees are not to report for work. However, all other food service personnel shall report for work or contact their supervisor.
Want to bet how many of the casinos closed? I’d take the over/under at zero.
Eight inches of snow would qualify as a major snowstorm in Minnesota, where we have the infrastructure to deal with it. It would greatly impede traffic, snow emergencies would get called in the metropolitan areas, and the roads would slow to a crawl, although schools wouldn’t close. Four inches in Vegas proper — where they won’t have snowplows at the ready — is a disaster. Ice makes it even worse, and indicates that the temperatures dropped dramatically as the precipitation fell.
How badly does this impact Vegas? Snow has only fallen in December there on four occasions in the past 70 years, which means they have no infrastructure to handle it. McCarran Airport, the main entry and exit point for the city’s vital tourist business, has no equipment to clear snow from the runways. They’re having to improvise, and the delays are damaging the city’s business at a time when they can ill afford it.
Snow in the desert. Record colds. Vegas paralyzed by ice, snow, and resultant power outages. That global warming sure looks interesting now.
Update: A Cox and Forkum classic, courtesy of Newton in the comments:











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Do you plan on featuring a weather report every day now, Ed?
factoid on December 18, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Was Al Gore there to give a talk?
Mr. Bingley on December 18, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Damn this global warming!
DuctTapeMyBrain on December 18, 2008 at 12:04 PM
**looks around for DaveS**
jimmy the notable on December 18, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Its the first snow in Vegas in 30 years, I think it deserves a mention.
jimmy the notable on December 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Were the hookers wearing thermal hot pants?
Bishop on December 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM
It must be true what Obama said. Elect him and we will be able to mark the day when global warming ended. He was elected, and even before he takes office the earth begins to heal. /sarc
DocKen on December 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM
But , but, but, its supposed to be getting warmer??? Al Gore told me so, and he is a
Cracker Jack Box winnerNobel Prize winner. Im confused.MDWNJ on December 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM
They sure seem to be comment generators. I say keep them coming.
BadgerHawk on December 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM
I’ve got about four inches of global warming out on my lawn… on the Washington coast. The
windchillGlobal Warmth is 12 degrees.wccawa on December 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM
This same storm is walloping me now in Utah, where we DO know how to handle snow. Whiteout conditions. 35 miles an hour tops. MMM, mmm–gotta love that global warming freezing on my windshield right now! Worst drive I’ve had in years.
Just looked out the window–my, I might be able to see a grand total of 300 feet. It’s improving!
Poor Vegas. Gore must have been in the neighborhood somewhere, right?
Vanceone on December 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Heh. Only a total moron would make a big deal like this about one little data point.
Oh, wait.
Wrong thread.
Big S on December 18, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Must have been alot of people in Las Vegas sniffing the ground.
MDWNJ on December 18, 2008 at 12:10 PM
I think this oldie-but-goodie Cox & Forkun cartoon surely applies here… don’t you think, Capt’n Ed?
newton on December 18, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Didn’t someone say something about “when hell freezes over” on the other GW thread?
Close enough?
Count to 10 on December 18, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Ok, that one was pretty good. But don’t worry, I won’t go using that one comment to form a positive view of you overall.
BadgerHawk on December 18, 2008 at 12:14 PM
This is getting old… I mean every time it’s unseasonably cold somewhere we have the same tired conversation. Wow, it hasn’t been this cold in X for 30 years: global warming is a hoax, Gore is a moron, it’s all Obama’s fault.
As if we were all too stupid to understand the difference between the weather and the climate.
factoid on December 18, 2008 at 12:14 PM
$hit happens.
Snow can happen anywhere.
I’d rather read about something else.
Badger40 on December 18, 2008 at 12:14 PM
LMAO! Good one!
Badger40 on December 18, 2008 at 12:15 PM
“DO NOT QUESTION MY SCIENCE!” ~Al Gore, speaking in clerical robes, pentagram necklace hanging from his neck, Horoscopes on a blackboard in the back.
I wish I had artistic ability, I’d make a decent editorial cartoonist
BKennedy on December 18, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Contradictory criticism!
zmdavid on December 18, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Yeah, as we know, Ed is bul*&^ing us.
I mean really… record and early cold in Minnesota, Snowstorm in Las Vegas, Artic Ice increasing.
These are all just isolated incidents that happened to occur around the same time in the same year, getting progressively worse compared to each year before.
It is only a single data point. Do not question Global Warming. Send me a check.
BKennedy on December 18, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Vegas, New Orleans, Malibu, Houston, Saudi Arabia, Buenos Aries. It’s been snowing in quite a few warm places over the least year or two.
forest on December 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM
The same time line when Global Cooling was in vogue.
Kini on December 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Shot of my front yard yesterday during our once every 10 year snow here in vegas. There was 2.5″ on my deck.
It got much thicker then this, but it was too dark to shoot.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/3117943510_a72eb35dee_o.jpg
Canon on December 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM
and yet, the priests and priestesses of global warming religion is still preaching the prophecy of doom.
mindhacker on December 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Name calling again, I see.
Johan Klaus on December 18, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Hey Factoid, I guess when it is August and NY has a temp of 110 degress you would not use it to point out global warming?
BroncosRock on December 18, 2008 at 12:22 PM
This is getting old… I mean every time it’s unseasonably cold somewhere we have the same tired conversation. Wow, it hasn’t been this cold in X for 30 years: global warming is a hoax, Gore is a moron, it’s all Obama’s fault.
As if we were all too stupid to understand the difference between the weather and the climate.
factoid on December 18, 2008 at 12:14 PM
So round about April when it starts warming up again and Algore is out trolling for funding you”ll be saying…what?
One must have moreon than one brain cell firing to see there is a bit of irony here…
The “Warmingists” spend the entire Spring and Summer, you know, when it’s hot outside, railing about “global warming/climate change”; some of us turn it around when this type of stuff happens are WE’RE the ones who are stupid?
Gore IS a moron BTW. Yes, that is my professional opinion.
catmman on December 18, 2008 at 12:22 PM
You may just finally be seeing the light.
Nice.
Maura O on December 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Which is basically the point we make about global-warming hysterics. Let me know when we’re farming in Greenland again, and then I’ll get worried.
Ed Morrissey on December 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Heck where I am living right now it having its coldest winter in a LONG LONG time. I live in Richland which is close to Portland where Gore was just at.
BroncosRock on December 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Oh, btw, Massachusetts is scheduled to have 4-10 inches of “Global Warming” tomorrow, a few days before the first day of Winter.
It has been unusually Rainy up till now, but then, New England has wacky weather all the time anyway.
BKennedy on December 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Vegas, New Orleans, Malibu, Houston, Saudi Arabia, Buenos Aries. It’s been snowing in quite a few warm places over the least year or two.
forest on December 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM
That’s all anecdotal! Move along. These aren’t the droids you’re looking for…
catmman on December 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Unseasonably warm? GLOBAL WARMING
Unseasonably cold? GLOBAL WARMING
Dow falling? GLOBAL WARMING
Dow rising…
You get the point.
We already have the conclusion.
mankai on December 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM
The rare thing isn’t the temperature, as it regularly gets cold enough to snow in Las Vegas in the winter, it’s the moisture. So fun for Vegas, but not any sort of evidence one way or the other about global warming.
starfleet_dude on December 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I laugh at all the global warmingist who like Factoid will complain during the summer about Global Warming, and just disregard the weather we are having right now.
BroncosRock on December 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM
And that, Ed, is why the liberals don’t like to call it global warming now. That’s why it’s now called anthropogenic global climate change. Any change in weather patterns — whether an increase or decrease in temperature or precipitation — is due to Republicans and big business abusing the Earth. Don’t you want to stop this rape of Gaia the Earth Mother??? Ed, you heartless person, you!!! /sarc
Outlander on December 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Ed Morrissey on December 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM
*ZING* – he shoots, he scores!
catmman on December 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM
This is getting old… I mean every time it’s unseasonably
coldwarm somewhere we have the same tired conversation. Wow, it hasn’t been thiscoldwarm in X for 30 years:global warmingman-made global warming ishoaxundeniable, Gore is amoronfrickin’ prophet, it’s allObama’sBush’s/NeoCon’s/Republican’s/Conservatives/Christian’s/America’s fault.
Bishop on December 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Climate is weather ameliorated over the course of a timeline. Temperatures are trending down, weather is cycling into a colder period. Factoid is a very appropo name.
When I was my son’s age the big shrill was over out of control glacial thrust and we had books like ‘Glacier!’ swearing that by 2001 NYC would be dead from a sheet of ice thirty feet thick….
funny thing it was likely inspired by the 70s rash of harsh blizzards we had, but that was the reality. Then we got data and lo and behold a series of warm winters and it died. Of course watermelons never change what’s inside they just change the BS they use to sell their hidden red tendencies so after a short break and a milder climate it was “global warming and famines by the 21st century”. Well now the cycle(coincidentally tied into the solar cycle now as it was then) is rolling over again but this generation of brainwashed kids and young adults are so vapid they don’t even get the 3-6 year break we got.
“abrupt climate change”….
decode the literal meaning of that term genius.
sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Nice shooting Ed. Ask a lib to go in on the cost of developing the thawed Antarctic mountains as a timeshare getaway….
the Chinese word for crisis and opportunity is a half-stroke apart.
sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 12:27 PM
My current thermometer reading says it’s six balmy degrees here in my area of Minnesota, and that’s without a cloud in the sky and the sun beating down.
I think I’ll drag out the pool and take a refreshing dip.
Bishop on December 18, 2008 at 12:28 PM
I predict a slow warming trend across the nation starting in March, continuing into July and August, then a slow cooling trend around the end of September.
mankai on December 18, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Isn’t it a little ironic that Al Gore’s name is eerily close to the word, “Allegory”, which means:
A visual symbol representing an abstract idea.
Barrack on December 18, 2008 at 12:28 PM
As an east coast transplant to Vegas it was nice to toss snowballs at the dogs but otherwise, meh.
grdred944 on December 18, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Allegory should give a television interview in Vegas so he can have his “Baghdad Bob” moment.
Barrack on December 18, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Apparently you are.
It’s snowing in Barstow, man. Barstow California. That’s in the Mojave Desert. You know what else is in the Mojave Desert?
Death Valley
So tell us again how you can’t use weather to get an indication of the climate, please.
apollyonbob on December 18, 2008 at 12:29 PM
You are right, I wouldn’t. That would be moronic.
factoid on December 18, 2008 at 12:31 PM
This only proves that global warming is worse than people thought. If it weren’t for global warming, Las Vegas would be washed away by nonstop blizzards.
Riposte on December 18, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Wow Ed, quick update with the cartoon.
Think you might be able to squeeze an update in on the IE thread about how you made that post AFTER the patch had been issued?
Jim708 on December 18, 2008 at 12:32 PM
So fun for Vegas, but not any sort of evidence one way or the other about global warming.
starfleet_dude on December 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Yep, it’s simply a strange anomaly for LV, yet if Minnesota were to suddenly see 98 degrees during December, the GW crowd would be screeching from the rooftops about the approaching doom of our world.
Bishop on December 18, 2008 at 12:33 PM
This was one of my favorite humor sites until they quit putting up new stuff.
ecoenquirer.com
Here’s my favorite old article there:
NASA Satellite Discovers Massive Vegetation Die Off
zmdavid on December 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Al started a hoax. Which started the whole world thinking they were going to be a frying.
But what Al didn’t see was that the joke would be on he.
Oh, no, Al started to cry. Which started the whole world laughing.
Oh, if he’d only seen that the joke would be on he.
Al looked at the skies. Running his hands over his eyes.
And he fell from his throne. Hurting his head on ice that wasn’t suppose to be there or so he’d said.
So Al’s power finally died. Which started the whole world
livingdrilling.Oh, if he’d only seen that the joke would be on he.
Oh, no, that the joke would be on he.
MB4 on December 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM
So hey, factoid, if “record highs” in the 90′s is an indication of global warming, and record lows for the last few years is indication of global warming, per Al Gore, let me ask you this:
What is a counter example to global warming? What would have to happen for you to say, “Oh well, I guess AGW isn’t real”?
apollyonbob on December 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Well, the left has spent the last five+ years haranguing America every time there’s a summer heat wave. And now Vegas, New Orleans, Houston, etc. are getting snow. While I am sure being made to look panicky and ridiculous “gets old”, I hope you can get over it.
Oh, and the snow is not Obama’s fault, but you’re correct that Gore is a moron.
Beatnik Joe on December 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM
When they were farming in Greenland the French were banning the import of Scottish wine. Englishmen were 6 inches taller than they were in 1900. Times were plentiful enough that the fabulous cathedrals of Europe sprang up on the bounty caused by the “Little Climactic Optimum” that began in 800 ce and peaked around 1250 ce. That is the irony of making global warming such a bogey man. The “Climatic Optimum” that spanned 8000 to 4000 BC took mankind out of the caves and made us masters of the planet. Humanity thrives on warm periods, it does not suffer.
BL@KBIRD on December 18, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Yes, it’s a coinkidink here! Vegas can have snow, it gets cold enough! Coincidence! And record cold all across Sibera and Canada and the Northern US–coincidence! Cold Spring we had, it’s all coincidence! We are warming–warming, I tell you! Massive increases in Artic ice over this time last year? Pure random event! We’ll be having to use a submarine in five years to visit the NYC stock exchange while it gets down to 150 in the shade at night in January in Nunavat if we don’t raise taxes on every Republican alive by 5000%! Save the planet!
Save us, Obama! By Your Holy Word, we shall be saved (and collect a cool million or so in Al Gores carbon credit fund!) Tax us, give all our wealth to dictators! The science is settled! Everyone who dissents shall be punished! No one must question Global Warming!
Vanceone on December 18, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Pleased to be of service. Check out these pics.
factoid on December 18, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Oh, and the snow is not Obama’s fault
I’m blaming him anyway; four years of having everything blamed on conservatives in general and Bush in particular deserves a little payback.
Bishop on December 18, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Pleased to be of service. Check out these pics.
factoid on December 18, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Where’s the reference to farming? All I see is a large ice sheet no matter which year is referenced.
Bishop on December 18, 2008 at 12:40 PM
I live in Hawai’i and we have snow on Mauna Kea.
30 years ago they were warning about global cooling.
Don’t let this little factoid pass you by. ~_~
We have Algoreites running around trying to force people, industries and governments to conform to their demented thinking that humans are destroying the world.
I’d worry about an asteroid hitting the planet before this nonsense.
I worry more about the damage these environmental nuts have on my lifestyle, my wallet and my freedoms.
History is not a lesson to be learned only during your lifetime.
Kini on December 18, 2008 at 12:40 PM
I lived in LV for 5 years and every winter there was a little snow once or twice. But not 8″, that is definitely odd.
angryed on December 18, 2008 at 12:41 PM
If you’ve never been to the desert Southwest, if you ever go make sure you’re prepared for sub-freezing temperatures. It does get cold there in the winter too, really. Just not as cold as Minnesota gets.
starfleet_dude on December 18, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Hot day = climate change
Cold day = weather
Repeat.
Chuck Schick on December 18, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Monday I drove to work in San Francisco through a freezing hail storm. Yesterday, the SF Chronicle had a picture of a guy cross country skiing in the Berkeley Hills. The East Bay hills just east of SF had a cover of snow. All the mountains around us, from 1500 to 5000 feet have snow on them. Tonight brings another storm, forecasted as “freezing”. The San Joaquin Valley citrus growers are out with the wind machines and smudge pots to save their orange crops.
Global warming my arse.
sdillard on December 18, 2008 at 12:44 PM
I don’t think a growing season increased 2 weeks, and growing cold-resistant potatoes was exactly what Ed had in mind.
But personally, I’m not going to be worried until things get warmer than the Medieval Warm Period, which they haven’t.
Also, wasn’t the Medieval Warm Period followed by the Little Ice Age, because of solar cycles?
apollyonbob on December 18, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Since both my kids were born and raised in Vegas, it was a first for them. They really loved it while it was coming down. Neither thought it was so great when they couldn’t go out because of it. The people in this town can’t drive on a clear, dry day, I wouldn’t let them go in the car with weather like this. My sweet german shepard loves it, she wanted to stay out and play way longer than the rest of us.
Vegas winters can be cold, they can also be pretty mild, it varies year to year. The rarity of this event was that it was both cold and wet which resulted in snow. By the end of today, it will all be gone and just a fond memory. My daughter got a snow day, something we never thought would happen.
Jvette on December 18, 2008 at 12:44 PM
It’s a series of 11 pics, dude. Keep clicking. #7 has the broccoli. #2 is the Inuit guy growing potato.
factoid on December 18, 2008 at 12:45 PM
adding all the data points up across the globe, we’ve had a cooling trend the last 2 years…and then there’s that La Nina and El Nino cycles…just wait a few more years, El Nino will be back, and then all man’s inventions will again be evil.
kirkill on December 18, 2008 at 12:46 PM
I’ve lived in Barstow a lot of years of my life (unfortunately) … and while it gets cold, sub-freezing rarely lasts the night, and snow is pretty damn rare.
apollyonbob on December 18, 2008 at 12:46 PM
standing here next to a cold-resistent potato variety…
Ah, you cheecky bastard! Did you not think anyone would read the captions of those photo’s?
The above comes from the ninth photo of the essay. Experimental gardens developing cold-resistant varieties of plants isn’t really good evidence for your argument…
Neither are the huge ice sheets or people trotting around in cold weather gear, but hey, it’s “warming”, what do I know?
catmman on December 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Look starfleet dude and factoid, I’ll start believing in AGW when it’s 80 degrees here in Colorado in the winter time… because ever since I can remember it’s been warm in the summer and cold in the winter, when that changes you can talk to me about Climate Change.
The way I see the climate hasn’t changed in the last 30 years or so of my life.
saltydogg14 on December 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM
He should have been! But of course…his timing is almost as bad as the fellows in the cartoon.
Aronne on December 18, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Snow in the desert, does that make it a “Desert Storm?” Which snowman is Al Bore?
Done That on December 18, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Factiod: How dumb do you think we are? Greenland has SOME arable land; it’s not completely an ice sheet. There is enough room for several US military bases, and people do live there–and have for several hundred years. GodThaab is a real city, if small. So yes, some agriculture can take place.
But you global warming hysterics are predicting a Greenland that you could farm over the whole island–miles and miles of wheat. Kinda like Nebraska. You can’t show that. Isolated plots or small fields is nothing–heck, you could show that in Antartica if you really wanted to, due to that peninsula that extends almost to Argentina.
Rats, I just gave you another talking point–”Dude! Here’s a picture of Antartica that isn’t frozen under 6 trillion miles of ice! Global Warming! Panic!”
Vanceone on December 18, 2008 at 12:50 PM
It does get cold there in the winter too, really. Just not as cold as Minnesota gets.
starfleet_dude on December 18, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Which is the point of a lot of the comments on these threads.
Warmingists use the warming Spring and Summer to make their points, people do it here and are facetious about it and we’re deniers…
catmman on December 18, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Factiod is correct in what he is saying. One bit of unusually cold weather somewhere doesn’t mean anything either for or against global warming. Nor does one bit of unusually hot weather mean anything. It’s averages and trends that have to be argued, but even then it’s difficult. There a century long drought in North America around the 12th century.
Weather events like that 12th century drought and the Ice Ages and so forth will occur again–global warming or no global warming. We need to consider how to minimize their impact, and a big part of minimizing that impact is trying to rein in human population growth.
thuja on December 18, 2008 at 12:52 PM
thuja on December 18, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Oh hell, we’re on our way to 900 comments now….
catmman on December 18, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Look over the descriptions of the following 2 houses and see if you can tell which belongs to “The one who calls himself an environmentalist.”
#1. A 20-room mansion(not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas, add on a pool(and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone(which the last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern “snow belt,” either. It’s in the South.
#2. Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, this house incorporates every “green” feature current home construction can provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet(4 bedrooms) and is nestled on an arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling
system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected after then
irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.
HOUSE #1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of Nashville, Tennessee. It is the abode of that renowned environmentalist-AL GORE!
HOUSE #2. (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas. Also known as “the Texas White House,” it is the private residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.
- wolf2012 on Debbie Schussel
MB4 on December 18, 2008 at 12:55 PM
thuja…. sigh. Yes, eeeeeeeevil Humans! Let’s kill them all, to save Mother Earth! Praise Gaia!
Just how do you propose to “limit Human population?” Mandatory abortions? Mandatory becoming gay? Release smallpox? Or just do the Hitler method and round up all your enemies and gas em?
Still, good to know that liberals are doing their part in 1) aborting their babies and 2) gay types not reproducing. If we have to decrease the population, I suggest we start there!
Vanceone on December 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM
The Messiah will pay for my heating oil bill too…
I’m blessed…
Mark Garnett on December 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Please. Spare us the neo-Malthusian BS. Yes, more people means more natural resources used, but more people ALSO means a larger pool of ingenuity to draw from. Malthus thought, over 200 years ago, that the former would outweight the latter, and that we would have mass starvations before the end of the 19th century. He was wrong. In the meantime, those who bet on human ingenuity in solving problems of resource scarcity have NEVER been wrong.
kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM
The warmists argue that the trend is accelerating and irreversible. Just proving a warming trend isn’t enough, to be right, they need to show that warming is accelerating and irreversible and also bad (unless we turn ourselves over to magical communist world government).
zmdavid on December 18, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Right, and there way to do that is by finally discarding the idea that Humans can change the weather or the climate. We don’t have that power right now.
apollyonbob on December 18, 2008 at 1:00 PM
But it didn’t snow here.
Rats.
Bob's Kid on December 18, 2008 at 1:03 PM
factoid, I am curious: someone here posted a challenge to you, which you have yet to respond to. So I am going to put it forth:
What would it take – what would be suitable evidence – for you to come to the conclusion that AGW is not taking place, and that the fears of the Hansen/Gore coterie are unfounded>
kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 1:04 PM
thuja on December 18, 2008 at 12:52 PM
I know I’m feeding the troll hre but…
Tell me thuja, if there are no humans here to take advantage of how little fewer humans would affect Gaia, then what’s the point?
Of wait…
catmman on December 18, 2008 at 1:07 PM
CURRENT MELTING OF GREENLAND’S ICE MIMICS 1920s-1940s EVENT
darwin on December 18, 2008 at 1:07 PM
I for one greatly appreciate these weather updates from a political blog.
Should we also expect “boy its unseasonably hot in Fargo today, I guess global warming cannot be denied” posts, come Summer?
e-pirate on December 18, 2008 at 1:08 PM
oh haha I totally missed thuja’s comment about human population growth.
Yeah, thuja, you obviously don’t know much about demographics because otherwise you wouldn’t have said that to us.
Our population may be 300 million, but it’s not growing nearly as fast as many third world countries.
apollyonbob on December 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM
It’s a series of 11 pics, dude. Keep clicking. #7 has the broccoli. #2 is the Inuit guy growing potato.
factoid on December 18, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Ah, you mean the pic with this caption: “In an agricultural research facility near Qaqortoq, scientists are successfully growing the island’s first broccoli.”
I wonder if the medieval peoples of Greenland had agricultural research facilities to assist them with crops?
Bishop on December 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM
One side is not trying to destroy the economy and use totalitarian methods to inflict lifestyle choices on the other….
the other is Goreons in the balance….
any questions?
sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM
If you think snow in Las Vegas, or the Mojave, isn’t newsworthy, then you’re an idiot.
apollyonbob on December 18, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Darwin, did you catch this part?
Apparently, the periodicity of it eluded them, and merely concluded that WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! AAAAUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
kiltedscotsman5 on December 18, 2008 at 1:12 PM
That is the point. Rev Gore and the followers of his religion can not tell the difference between the two and are trying to use their religion to force all of us into a 5th century agrarian existence while the Rev. Gore, his his Hollywood evangelical preachers keep on living as they always have with their private jets, fish flown in from Chile for their dinner, their limousines and SUV’s with the token hybrid in the driveway for “effect’ and their mega mansions.
It has never been about “climate change” for these people, it has always been about pushing a Stalinist political agenda. Only the weak minded, the gullible and fools have ever bought into this, except for those who are pusing this agenda to slake their own greed.
Nahanni on December 18, 2008 at 1:13 PM
I agree with the above commenters to keep them coming. A long and continual rebuttal to all of the past continual agitation by Gore and the Gorebots.
INC on December 18, 2008 at 1:13 PM
e-pirate on December 18, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Jog on then?
catmman on December 18, 2008 at 1:13 PM
e-pirate on December 18, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Great thing about America, you are free to never come back here if you don’t like the content.
In fact, I hear that there…GASP!…millions of other blogs for you to visit out on the interlinks.
Bishop on December 18, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Yes … they apparently tried desperately to spin their way out of what they found.
darwin on December 18, 2008 at 1:14 PM
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