About those 16 months ….
posted at 2:34 pm on December 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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If the Left finds its panties in a bunch over Rick Warren’s participation in Barack Obama’s inauguration, they’ll absolutely flip over the latest recommendations for troop withdrawals from Iraq. Generals David Petraeus and Ray Odierno outlined a plan to remove combat troops that would miss Barack Obama’s sixteen-month pledge by a significant period of time to Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs chair Admiral Mike Mullen. The latter two gave Obama the outline but not the details in a national-security meeting this week:
A new military plan for troop withdrawals from Iraq that was described in broad terms this week to President-elect Barack Obama falls short of the 16-month timetable Mr. Obama outlined during his election campaign, United States military officials said Wednesday.
The plan was proposed by the top American commanders responsible for Iraq, Gen. David H. Petraeus and Gen. Ray Odierno, and it represents their first recommendation on troop withdrawals under an Obama presidency. While Mr. Obama has said he will seek advice from his commanders, their resistance to a faster drawdown could present the new president with a tough political choice between overruling his generals or backing away from his goal.
The plan, completed last week, envisions withdrawing two more brigades, or some 7,000 to 8,000 troops, from Iraq in the first six months of 2009, the military officials said. But that would leave 12 combat brigades in Iraq by June 2009, and while declining to be more specific, the officials made clear that the withdrawal of all combat forces under the generals’ recommendations would not come until some time after May 2010, Mr. Obama’s target.
Sixteen months was about as quickly as anyone could imagine pulling out the American forces in Iraq, and that involved forgetting about the safety and security of the Iraqis. Now that Obama has the burden of command — and the responsibility for what follows afterward — he will likely get a lot more pragmatic about withdrawals and future relationships with Iraq. In fact, given the agreement signed and approved by the elected government in Baghdad, there seems to be little reason to pull out any faster than outlined in the SOFA. The Iraqis want a slower transition, and casualties have dropped to almost zero.
Obama can overrule Petraeus and Odierno, of course, and demand a tighter withdrawal schedule. He might risk a resignation from the popular commander if he pushes too hard, though, and Obama needs Petraeus for Afghanistan. Obama will almost certainly make a political calculation that the motion will suffice in the long run, rather than meeting target dates, and the ongoing withdrawal will be enough to satisfy his base.
Would he be correct? Until the Rick Warren kerfuffle, I’d have said yes. Watching the Left get irrational about Obama’s attempt to reach out to the center, which is where Warren more or less lives politically, makes me wonder whether they will streak towards marginalizing themselves in the Obama coalition even faster than we might have believed.
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The change keeps on a changin…
loudmouth883 on December 18, 2008 at 2:39 PM
He won’t overrule his generals. Obama has done nothing since election day to indicate he is going to shake-up the status quo.
Now Pelosi and Al Qaeda’s Washington spokesperson, Harry Reid, may have another plan. But, The Black Caesar will play ball with the Pentagon lest he look like a wimp.
grdred944 on December 18, 2008 at 2:40 PM
This, I don’t’ think, will make much of a ripple at all. It’s “their” military now.
The Code Pink brigade will likely be unhappy, but the MSM won’t give them the same level of coverage like they did while GWB was in office. They’ve served their purpose.
And it was never really about Iraq…it just happened to be a handy cudgel to beat the President about the head with.
Asher on December 18, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Obama acheived his goal of breaking the racial line to the White House.
His only other priority is reshaping the court system by moving it far to the left.
The rest is basking in history and accepting the accolades.
This will be a cruise control presidency.
mylegsareswollen on December 18, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Indeed he will.
Which is a very good thing.
Bob's Kid on December 18, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Most people with common sense and not blinded by their rose colored glasses understand that it’s easy to make promises during an election when you’re not privy to the whole foreign affairs picture and that actually coming through on those promises is a whole different thing once you have the entire foreign affairs picture as Obambi now has.
The left and their infantile ways and perpetual “koom-baya” logic will never understand this reality and have already begun to cry that Obambi has betrayed them for not abiding by his promises to bring the change you can believe in and we will therefore see many a lefty heads esplode over the next four years, something I’m looking forward to!
Liberty or Death on December 18, 2008 at 2:52 PM
What the left needs is a real candidate for change. Obama is really just part of the Mcbushcheneyhaliburton neocon cadre.
Apple rulz!
Che lives!
keep the change on December 18, 2008 at 2:54 PM
My son is a Captain in the Army. He is in his second tour in Iraq.
The idea that his life and his mission, together with the lives of millions of Iraqis, are in jeopardy because Obama has to weigh how far he can push Markos Moulitsis frustrates me beyond all comprehension for rational thought.
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RJGatorEsq. on December 18, 2008 at 2:56 PM
The netroots and the lunatic left Democrat base are morons.
Of course they will chafe under any sort of policy that makes sense, that’s what morons do.
Proof that they were morons is that they believed Obama when he feigned support for their idiotic proposals, just to get elected.
The question is, how many millions of morons can fit under one bus?
NoDonkey on December 18, 2008 at 2:59 PM
So… for all our trouble all we have accomplished is just putting another black family in government housing, eh?
It’s soooooooo sad!
BoomJunkie on December 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM
anyone else think the Dems in Congress(and Obama’s flip flopping) not forcing withdrawal by cutting off funding is a tactical admission that blood is on their hands in Vietnam? That they empowered Pol pot, etc.?
not to mention thy are full of it with all their rhetoric on Iraq/Saddam/Terror as it is
jp on December 18, 2008 at 3:04 PM
I wonder if Olber
woman will start a new countdown on January 20 to counter his, blah blah blah since mission accomplished. Starting January 20, 480 days until President Obama has our troops home! 479 days until…..Yeah, I doubt it too.
JeffinOrlando on December 18, 2008 at 3:04 PM
My wife is over in Iraq as a I type.
Take heart Bambi is likely to have to knuckle under to Barney “Banking Queen” Frank’s intonations that a 25% defense cut is the minimum the force will face. Fact is there is likely a drawdown coming so the Daily Kook will be happy regardless of if Bambi makes the troops play “make do” with the same missions with less resources.
All the best,
sven
sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 3:04 PM
‘Tiny’ Olbermann does not care one iota about our troops. I still believe that if O’Reilly had not gone to Fox and for some strange bizarre reason, they wanted Obly to be the cornerstone of their conservative commentators, Olberman would have gone down on Roger Ailes to get the job and be a good conservative for him.
grdred944 on December 18, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Haven’t the Iraqis asked the US troops stay in the cities and not return to bases outside of the cities, to make sure that terror doesn’t return?
Everyone knows it took a decade or more to finally put an end to hostilities after WWII.
Question, exactly why would we want to leave Iraq? And for extra credit, why would a free Iraq want us to leave?
tarpon on December 18, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Regardless of the actual timetable, I’m waiting to see how long it’ll take before the left credits Obama for “winning” Iraq.
It’s not like history (or the present, for that matter) is their collective strong suit.
landshark on December 18, 2008 at 3:15 PM
We are very close to achieving success in Iraq. Dear Leader does not want to be known to history as the American president who snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
rbj on December 18, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Asher’s about covered it…..this was nothing but another MSM attack on GW. The commies over at Kos and Du might get a hair up their ass’s but who cares.
Rovin on December 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM
RJGatorEsq. on December 18, 2008 at 2:56 PM
sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Hope your loved ones come home safely and asap. And you can pass on for me, I’m damn proud of everyone.
Rovin on December 18, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Thanks she’s almost home, we are gonna retire as much of our debt load as we can and prepare ourselves mentally for a “mission accomplished!” drawdown….
The first of Barack’s many miracles will be not getting called on claiming credit for victory in a 8 or 9 year war alone.
sven10077 on December 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Stop Worrying about Obama’s birth certificate. I think I figured outwhy that 16 months time table do hickey won’t work…Look an Elephant’s gestation period is 22 months. This is trending into George W Bush’s 3rd Term. We are looking at a reborn Obama “Republican” certified.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Gestation_period_of_a_elephant
I’m just saying in 22 months don’t expect A “It’s a Donkey” announcement.
Dr Evil on December 18, 2008 at 4:13 PM
So I got curious about all this sixteen talk. This has been said before, but just wanted to do a little research myself.
Obama introduced is bill to congress on January 31st 2007.
That was roughly when all the “sixteen month withdrawal” talk started. The bill called for full “combat” withdrawal by March 2008.
That is 23 months ago.
Then the rhetoric shifted to sixteen months from Obama taking office in January meaning roughly May 2010.
That would be 40 months from Obama’s proposal.
And now there is a treaty between the US and Iraq to have all “combat troops” pulled back and “over the horizon” etc. etc. by 2011.
That is at least 2 years away.
Yep. Thank gawd that anti-war crowd voted in a real leader to bring the Iraq war to an end. How’s the kool-aide?
Thank gawd we’ve already won in that theater.
Yo!
yojimbo30 on December 18, 2008 at 4:18 PM
I thought Warren got in trouble with the left before…didn’t he say that liberal Christians were basically marxists? I didn’t think he was very close to the center. He doesn’t seem it.
TheBlueSite on December 18, 2008 at 4:22 PM
wait till he keeps gitmo open, maintains FISA, keeps the tax cuts, etc. Gonna be good.
rob verdi on December 18, 2008 at 4:43 PM
100 more years!
rob verdi on December 18, 2008 at 4:43 PM
And that’s not in Donkey years!
Dr Evil on December 18, 2008 at 4:45 PM
The real question is ‘Which advisors does Obama listen to?’ At present, it appears Obama is concentrating upon
community activismdomestic policy and hasn’t a clue about international geopolitics. He has left that to HERSELF! and Robert Gates. We know the future SecState’s opinion of the US Military (F**k ‘em!!) and Mr. Gates may be surrounded by Obama sycophants and largely in a caretakers role. VP Biden may hold the key.In the short run, the brigades will stay until they can be re-tasked for Afghanistan.
SeniorD on December 18, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Those security briefings after the election were probably very sobering. Welcome to the real world.
Done That on December 18, 2008 at 5:06 PM
The man who stands for nothing will go for anything.
Chuck Schick on December 18, 2008 at 5:29 PM
I think it is clear, that had Clinton gone after Saddam in 93 (which he should have), and we had the invasion play out exactly how it did these last few years, that the Left would be lionizing Clinton for his success – freeing tens of millions of people, eliminating one of the world’s worst tyrants, etc, at an amazingly low cost in lives? And we on the right would grudingly admire him for it – like FDR with WWII.
But the war was a tool for both our enemies abroad and the Left domestically. Essentially, Saudi dollars and Berkeley bodies broke President Bush.
18-1 on December 18, 2008 at 6:04 PM
If you think Rick Warren lives in the political center you must be in left field.
AZ_Redneck on December 18, 2008 at 7:35 PM
I’m going with my prediction that they’ll do it by giving him the Nobel Peace Prize in 2012 for his efforts. (I say 2012 because it’d be an excuse for a free campaign ad on every network and newspaper so it’d be too good for them to miss it.)
Dave_d on December 18, 2008 at 7:50 PM
above his pay grade
Black Adam on December 19, 2008 at 1:24 AM
My son is a Captain in the Army. He is in his second tour in Iraq.
The idea that his life and his mission, together with the lives of millions of Iraqis, are in jeopardy because Obama has to weigh how far he can push Markos Moulitsis frustrates me beyond all comprehension for rational thought.
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RJGatorEsq. on December 18, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Hi RJ GatorEsq. My son too is a Captain in the U.S. Army, and he too is in his second tour of duty in Iraq. Really. I just shudder at the idea that Obama will be the Commander in Chief. – Phil Byler Esq.
Phil Byler on December 19, 2008 at 2:33 AM
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