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posted at 8:40 am on December 17, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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No, I’m not going to get all statist and start demanding that the government approve people for reproduction … but sometimes that option doesn’t sound all bad. Plenty of parents hang atrocious names on their offspring, cursing them for life, but Heath and Deborah Campbell really take the cake. Well, not literally, which is why this Nazi admirer got headlines this morning on the wire services (via Cristy Li):
The father of 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell, denied a birthday cake with the child’s full name on it by one New Jersey supermarket, is asking for a little tolerance. Heath Campbell and his wife, Deborah, are upset not only with the decision made by the Greenwich ShopRite, but with an outpouring of angry Internet postings in response to a local newspaper article over the weekend on their flare-up over frosting.
“I think people need to take their heads out of the cloud they’ve been in and start focusing on the future and not on the past,” Heath Campbell said Tuesday in an interview conducted in Easton, on the other side of the Delaware River from where the family lives in Hunterdon County, N.J.
“There’s a new president and he says it’s time for a change; well, then it’s time for a change,” the 35-year-old continued. “They need to accept a name. A name’s a name. The kid isn’t going to grow up and do what (Hitler) did.”
I’m sorry — did the man who named his child after one of the worst genocidal madmen of history demand tolerance? Campbell walks around in authentic Nazi boots and decorates his house with swastikas, and then demands that people be tolerant of his intolerance. It sounds like a Monty Python skit: No one expects the Nazi Tolerance Inquisition!
And by the way, it wasn’t just the name, either:
Karen Meleta, a spokeswoman for ShopRite, said the Campbells had similar requests denied at the same store the last two years and said Heath Campbell previously had asked for a swastika to be included in the decoration.
You know, nothing says Happy Birthday to a toddler like a big ol’ swastika in the middle of a birthday cake.
And why did these parents lay an Adolf on their child? I mean, besides all of the Nazi worship going on in Chez Campbell? Because “no one else in the world would have that name.” No kidding. Ever wonder why, genius?
Greenwich ShopRite is not a government agency, and they don’t have to do business with the Campbells if they choose to refuse them. It’s not intolerance — it’s a business decision. Campbell could protest it and try to start a boycott, but something tells me that ShopRite’s customers might feel better knowing that the goose-stepping Campbells won’t be anywhere in the vicinity.
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Maybe he should move his family to Germany. Problem solved.
What the heck happened to people that they absolutely refuse to move, even to another state, when things don’t go their way? I moved cross country twice to get a better job and for the benefit of my family.
Detroit is pretty much a post-apocalyptic wasteland already, let the automakers fail and the works can move south and work for Nissan in Tennessee.
Neo on December 17, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Still waiting….
*crickets*
crr6 on December 17, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Great, if you mean gays, say gays, not “a minority”. This clears things up and prevent misunderstandings. I guess this means you can let go of the “where did I call you a racist” tag now and we can get back to your OT discussion?
So, where we stand now is, crr6 says that conservatives are intolerant of gays in particular?
BTW, I’m going to give you the, “I’ve got a bunch of friends that are gay” line next. In fact, one of my best friends that is gay wasn’t in my wedding only because he lived in another city and couldn’t take the time off of work (EMT) to travel. I really don’t care what sexual orientation people have (unless they are pedophiles) or what they do behind closed doors, so I guess that makes me tolerant, not just of gays, but of most humans.
Geministorm on December 17, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Hmmm…is DeathToMediaHacks trying to tell us something?
AprilOrit on December 17, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Excellent comment, Spc Steve, and I’m with you all the way on the sentiment expressed. Still though I can’t help giggling over the inadvertent ShopRite/Rite Aid mixup.
Imagine the Nazi birthday cakes that could come out of Rite Aid, made from items on the shelves. A swastika made from Advil caplets, decorated with Listerine-tinted rosettes? The SS insignia fashioned from L’Oreal lipglosses atop an 8-pack of Charmin covered in frosting made from alternating stripes of Colgate and Crest toothpastes?
The possibilities are endless. You may be on to something here! :-o
Gilda on December 17, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Here’s a little reading material for Crr6. More Foley Fallout: The Gay GOP Witchhunt Begins
In case he’s (she’s?) not inclined to read this and may leap to an improper conclusion, let it be said that the witch hunt was conducted against gay Republicans not by gay GOPers.
Buy Danish on December 17, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Are you kidding? In Germany you can be jailed for two years for hanging a swastika on your house. Not to mention the fact that Germany is one of those country where you have to pick your kid’s name from a government-approved list (more like a book, really). You can’t name your son Maria and you can’t name your daughter Helmut and you sure as hell can’t name any child Moon Unit One or Hitler.
factoid on December 17, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Where do these people come from?? I have always said that people should be required to take a test before they have children. There are so many stupid, ignorant parents out there and they raise their kids in their image. Crikey! My daughter thinks that obambi walks on water, and she ‘loves’ pelosi, oprah, martha ‘I served my time, now buy my k-mart crap’ stewart and the list goes on and on. where did I fail??? I have cut off all funding to her, she is quite the mooch,(she thinks GW is the reason for her financial probs, certainly not her spending money she doesn’t have) I am glad I am not these little nazi kids grandparents, but then maybe they have hitler next to their obambi statues too. Who lets these people out??????
clinker46 on December 17, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Yes, that he either hates conservatives, or is bitter about gay marriage.
Either way, anyone got a tissue for him?
MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 10:19 AM
I gave you your answer, I guess you just missed it.
That seems to happen a lot to liberals. They just can’t see or perceive anything that goes against their religious belief system.
MarkTheGreat on December 17, 2008 at 10:25 AM
I thought my mom was whacked for wanting to name me Hennessey (which isn’t that bad at all).
If you want to make some sort of statement using names, use your pets. It’s a lot less offensive to name your pitbull ‘Adolf’ or your feline ‘Aryan Nation.’
Anna on December 17, 2008 at 10:26 AM
This is the boldest, most daring and insane example of performance art I can recall.
This puts the pathetic “feces on the body smearing” crowd to shame.
mylegsareswollen on December 17, 2008 at 10:27 AM
And your pit bull won’t get teased by the other dogs in the neighborhood if you give him a really dumb name.
MarkTheGreat on December 17, 2008 at 10:28 AM
No one can ever criticize that kid w/out invoking Godwin’s Law …
PackerBronco on December 17, 2008 at 10:28 AM
If you want to make some sort of statement using names, use your pets. It’s a lot less offensive to name your pitbull ‘Adolf’ or your feline ‘Aryan Nation.’
Anna on December 17, 2008 at 10:26 AM
I named my dog “Dave” and my cousin Dave got a little offended about it.
My wife named her cat “Spot” even though it’s solid gray in color. Not sure what the statement is other than making my wife look a bit crazy.
Bishop on December 17, 2008 at 10:30 AM
The Cult of Tolerance is the same as the Ministry of Truth.
The Ministry of Truth engages in fabricating reality of whole cloth, The Cult of Tolerance engages in promulgating intolerance.
The only difference is one is a fictional symbol and the other is a factual reality.
BKennedy on December 17, 2008 at 10:32 AM
I named my dog Kyle. Fortunately I don’t know anyone named Kyle for them to be offended.
Fortunately I did not name him Abdul or Mohammed. That might have gotten me in trouble.
BKennedy on December 17, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Eh, my Manx kitty’s name was Tigger before we adopted him: why name a tailess cat after a tail-bouncing tiger? Our cats are currently named after Russian cities (”Vlad”ivostok and “Petr”opovlovsk)… names I like, but didn’t give to my kids for good reason.
Exactly.
Anna on December 17, 2008 at 10:36 AM
I see that crr6 has once again given up trying to defend his textual absurdities, and has reduced himself to demanding apologies to insults that only he can see.
MarkTheGreat on December 17, 2008 at 10:38 AM
So did Data.
MarkTheGreat on December 17, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Addressed to crr6…
As you claim to be a homosexual, you are a minority but not a Minority. I like the color blue. If more people like other colors, that makes me a minority but not a Minority. Minority status has always been based upon racial identity. To attempt to gain Minority status for something based outside of racial identity is CHANGING THE BASELINE.
Marriage has always been between a man and a woman. This law/tradition has always been applied in this manner. If you are a man, you may marry one woman. If you are a woman, you may marry one man. It is applied equally to all people. Anything else is CHANGING THE BASELINE.
I do not agree with you that a group designated by its choice in sexual attraction, and by sexual acts performed, should be allowed to change any baseline for our society… especially by a group that makes up such an incredibly small percentage of our population.
I am tolerant of your right to sinfully practice homosexuality in the privacy of your own home. I am intolerant of your attempts to change the baselines of our society just to make yourselves feel better.
My opinions are based on the Bible, which calls homosexual acts an abomination before God. I have the freedom to worship God and speak his truth in this country, as protected by the 1st Ammendment.
Ahhhh… equating the religious right with Hitler. And you wonder why we think you sound like an insane leftist moron. And you wonder where some of those stereotypes come from…
dominigan on December 17, 2008 at 10:39 AM
I remain puzzled by a interesting asymmetry between the Left and the Right. The Left is indulgent of the Communists who were sadistic mass murderers. The Right hates the racists extremists who were sadistic mass murderers. The Left’s indulgence works out pretty darn well for them, but I don’t see how the Right can do the same. Hell, I don’t even want to indulge Pat Buchanan, who does indulge Hitler and blames Churchill. Furthermore, the right-wing evil dictators of history–besides being evil and dictators–were often on the wrong side of the issues today. For instance, Francisco Franco used muslim troops to take power.
Perhaps, all we can do is to remind people that the Commies killed more people than the Nazi and that their concentration camps were every bit as brutal.
As far as what crr6 had to say, I agree with the sentiment, but it seemed to me that he was trolling to bring the issue up on this thread. There are more than enough threads on Hotair devoted to gay issues.
thuja on December 17, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Your kids did a better job than this as teenagers, Ed.
Bob's Kid on December 17, 2008 at 10:42 AM
The Campbell’s also have two daughters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie. Poor kids……
fbcmusicman on December 17, 2008 at 10:43 AM
At least he wasn’t named Saddam Hussein Osama.
What?
Cuffy Meigs on December 17, 2008 at 10:44 AM
I named a cat Mohammed as a way to disrespect the prophet (pork sausage be upon him). Mohammed is still at my mother’s house, but there are no islamaloons in her area.
thuja on December 17, 2008 at 10:45 AM
“I’m sorry — did the man who named his child after one of the worst genocidal madmen of history demand tolerance?”
You mean like Hussein?
Bevan on December 17, 2008 at 10:48 AM
These people are nuts. I feel for the kids. The little boy was shy about his name because even the child can sense that “something is wrong”. How sad. How pathetically sad.
In this case I would be in favor of removing the kids from this home and placing them with loving foster parents. Sorry, but sometimes it should be done. I know it can be a slippery slope, but to leave them in that environment is dangerous to their long term well being.
worlok on December 17, 2008 at 10:56 AM
That’s a cheap shot, and an inaccurate analogy as well. Hussein is a very widely held name in many parts of the world, and Saddam Hussein and the President-Elect are just two of millions who were so named.
Hitler, on the other hand, is quite specific.
factoid on December 17, 2008 at 10:56 AM
See, this is one of the tough questions about parenting…
When is bad parenting SO bad that the children need to be removed from the home situation?
We all laughed several years ago about parents smoking in the home, 2nd hand smoke, bad for the kids, etc, etc. There’s been cases that have been brought to court stating that parents DON’T have a write to smoke near their children.
But is this different? Do we have a right to say that this is emotional abuse??? I mean, C’mon, THIS kid is going to be abused his whole life!!!!
Remember how everyone though Elian Gonzalez was going to be “emotional abused” when he returned to Cuba?
Just some morning food for thought.
HarryStar on December 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM
I was waiting for someone to pull that canard.
Hussein is a very common name in many parts of the world.
MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM
By the way…Maybe as a good analogy, somebody should ask the father to change his name to D*ckhead, or *sshole.
He probably wouldn’t get it though…sad.
This story wreaks of a future Onion bit.
HarryStar on December 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Um… Barack Hussein Obama
Give it up dude. You lose this argument.
thareb on December 17, 2008 at 11:07 AM
When a Christian printer refuses to print wedding invitations for sex perverts, the sex perverts sue?
Who’s the intolerant party here?
Akzed on December 17, 2008 at 11:21 AM
test
Akzed on December 17, 2008 at 11:22 AM
What they said. Canard in a coalmine.
The Race Card on December 17, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Maybe the kid will be home schooled?
What happens when the parents sign him up for any social activities though? What about birthday parties, will other kids even attend?
I feel bad for the kids, but we really shouldn’t even contemplate taking these kids from their parents nor a “license” to parent.
Geministorm on December 17, 2008 at 11:24 AM
The first person I ever met named Hussein was a white guy introduced t me by my Dutch roommate. Neither was Muslim.
The Race Card on December 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM
You got up late today, we’ve already established who the intolerant ones are, but they are too busy sticking their fingers in their ears and going, “nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah I can’t hear you!” to bother with.
I need to write a book called, Intolerances so that I can list all of the ways that lefties (not handed, but ideology) are intolerant.
Merry Christmas everyone! (I’m saying it before its outlawed).
Geministorm on December 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Congratulations, you meet the baseline standard for being a good person, judging your friends based on who they are rather than on their sexuality. Why do conservatives feel they should be given a pat on the back for this kind of behaviour, it’s the standard we should demand from anyone in our lives. Here’s a larger question. If your friends make homophobic remarks when your gay friend isn’t around, do you correct them? Or by your silence make those statements legit. Do you stand idly by while gay and lesbian’s people’s civil liberties are taken away via ballot initiatives around marriage/adoption statutes? Does your city or state have an ordinance that bans employment discrimination against gays and lesbians. If it came up on a ballot initiative, how would you vote on such an issue?
That’s the standard most conservatives fail to meet again and again. They hide behind the one or two gay individuals they know in their lives and act as if by not stoning them to death or socially shunning them they are somehow special. No, you’re just joining the rest of us as human beings. Well done/sarc.
DeathToMediaHacks on December 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM
And Obama was named before we fought Saddam.
Esthier on December 17, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Seriously? Wow. “I think I’ll give my child male name #156 from the list. Or, do you thing male name #124 is better?”
Count to 10 on December 17, 2008 at 11:34 AM
I agree, the price of a free society. However I also think that this business has a right to refuse them service. Here’s the thing about this though, why can this business refuse them but say, not refuse racial or sexual minorities? It’s a difficult and unclear ideological line. I would argue that it’s pure economic calculus. Gays and racial minorities as a whole have demonstrated a certain level of economic power. If a place refuses to serve minority groups as a whole (rather than individual nimrods) that group can protest, boycott, put pressure on sponsors etc. etc. When your cause is “I want to name my child hiter” I don’t see you gaining a powerful enough constituency to effect social change.
DeathToMediaHacks on December 17, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Well, when anti-Prop 8 mobs actually are assaulting people, it doesn’t seem like such a small thing that conservatives aren’t returning fire.
That said, I’ve never voted on the issue in my life (never had the option) but would never vote on a law that selects one benign taboo out of several to legitimize while ignoring all the others.
Esthier on December 17, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Besides, the implication that `Aryan’ is most appropriately associated with a dog is fun.
Count to 10 on December 17, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Name your kid Che Guevara Jones and it no problem to get a cake.
tmitsss on December 17, 2008 at 11:40 AM
You’re missing the legal issue here. Opinions aren’t free from discrimination. It’s a logical impossibility.
Esthier on December 17, 2008 at 11:41 AM
At what age can you legally request a change of name?
These kids need to be informed of their rights, and perhaps offered a home to move out voluntarily to.
I cannot imagine how these kids are going to feel in adult life when they consider the two utter pieces of shit that gave life to them.
LimeyGeek on December 17, 2008 at 11:41 AM
You can count on one hand the number of people violently attacked by individuals within an anti-prop 8 mob. I don’t think you can do the same for the number of gay teens who committed suicide this year because they were so fearful of telling their parents they were gay they decided to kill themselves. Somethings wrong with a society where children have that kind of fear of the two people who love them more than anyone else.
DeathToMediaHacks on December 17, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Even better point. Thank you, Esthier.
MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Many years ago, the registrar of one of the local school districts noted that the female child of immigrants named their child “fe-male” on the birth certificate.
I suppose that they must have been in a hurry to leave the birthing facility and without knowledge of the language thought it sounded well with an accent over the e.
nor on December 17, 2008 at 11:48 AM
I wonder if Germany or Austria would even allow the kid to travel to their countries. They’re pretty strict about that nonsense.
Remember the German guy who taught his dog to raise his paw anytime someone said Heil Hitler? Five months in prison.
Blake on December 17, 2008 at 11:50 AM
People have a right to sue. Whether they win would depend on the state anti-discrimination laws that govern commercial businesses.
dedalus on December 17, 2008 at 11:52 AM
sigh
We don’t, thanks for changing the topic to return to dissing conservatives though, +1 for you!
When someone says, “Conservatives are intolerant of gays”, then scientific method says that a single evidence to the contrary is sufficient to disprove that statement. I stated my evidence. Prior to that moment, I had no need to tell anyone who my friends are nor their sexual preference. However, since I disproved that canard, your natural reaction is to state, “What do you want, a cookie because you have a gay friend?!?” a way of saying that I think I’m “special” or elitist because I have a gay friend. Someone threw out that generalization, I disproved it, now the next response is that I’m somehow even worse…
Next, my friends don’t make homophobic remarks, so that isn’t a problem. However, I have distant relatives (on my wife’s side) that have made racist and anti-gay remarks, and my usual response is that I don’t want to hear that crap and definitely not around my kids. Do I pass the test now? Do I get another cookie?
How about a test for you? When your gay friends make derogatory remarks about conservatives, do you correct them that they can’t make generalizations about people that way? I bet you don’t, and by your silence prove your discrimination against anyone that thinks differently than you. If you’re going to pass judgment on me, you’d better evaluate yourself first. I’d bet money you never stand up when any of your friends or family make derogatory remarks about Christians or conservatives (what did you say about Sarah Palin again?). Care to defend?
Civil liberties taken away? Please show me where someone’s civil liberties have been taken away by a ballot initiative. If anyones’ civil liberties were threatened by a ballot initiative, I’d be against it. But, then again it could be taken to a court to overrule if it truly threatened anyones’ civil liberties.
Newsflash; you can be gay and still be a dumbass. I’m not saying you’re a dumbass because you’re gay, the two are not related. Whether or not you’re stoned as a dumbass has nothing to do with whether I know any other dumbasses. The standard that most libs fail again and again and again is that they cannot think logically (how’s that for a generalization?). I don’t hide behind my friends, gay or not, to justify *any* of my decisions nor my attitude and have any delusion that I am special just because I have friends (I don’t have many because I do pick my friends carefully, which is normally based upon character and trustworthiness and nothing to do with their marital status, party affiliation nor sexual orientation). Not to mention, I don’t need your acceptance or approval (obviously, because you hate conservatives so much, that isn’t possible anyway). But, you go on with your misconceptions about what others think about you and make generalizations about all of us, its ok if you don’t recognize your own bigotry, we’re used to it. In fact, we’re the ones pointing it out most of the time.
Geministorm on December 17, 2008 at 11:52 AM
You’re not helping your argument by referring to them in a derogatory manner.
MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 11:53 AM
That happens with issues other than homosexuality. The problem is far larger than you’re imagining.
Anytime. In fact, Saddam wasn’t even in power when Obama was born.
Esthier on December 17, 2008 at 11:54 AM
my moms name is Adolf Hitler
Drunk Report on December 17, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I was always a fan of Chairman Meow.
TheUnrepentantGeek on December 17, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Are we both satisfied if I say conservatives tend to be intolerant of gays? Or is that not even true. I don’t really get it. People who claim to be conservative politicians and ideologues explicitly demonize homosexuals, they have made an opposition to gay rights part of their political platform and the conservative leaning electorate has, by and large, failed to force those people to pay a political price. If that’s not tacit acceptance of anti-gay bigotry what IS? If it offends conservatives to be called homophobic/anti-gay/bigots etc., then why don’t conservatives purge those individuals from their ranks or at least speak out against them rather than embracement them as “true” conservatives. Can’t have it both ways. And while you have, in a scientific sense, proven that “not all conservatives are homophobic” I’m not sure how that’s a substantive point in the face of the mounds of evidence of conservative homophobia.
Maybe if you weren’t so super defensive about it. Again, see above. You align yourself with a political movement that is explicitly anti-gay, yet you’ve gone all drama queen at the notion that you might be lumped together with those people on the issue of homophobia…intense.
You know that state institution called “marriage” that occurs totally outside the province of the church but is regulated and ordained by the state? Yeah. That….
I’m not gay.
It’s a pretty good one.
Spectacular.
I don’t hate conservatives. I hate the conservative political movement and I’m disdainful of those who align themselves with it.
I actually DO jump on my friends when they are being unfair towards conservatives. For example, I think Sarah Palin is wrong on every issue. I think she was massively uninformed about national and world affairs and I think she’d be a disastrous President. However I was HORRIFIED by the massive sexism deployed against her by supposedly “liberal” commentators like Chris Matthews and those who I know in my personal life. I was particularly pissed off because in 2000, G.W. Bush was as uninformed, vacuuous and ignorant as Sarah Palin, but the country swooned because he was “unpretentious” a “straight shooter” to quote Stephen Colbert “he thought with his gut.” But Sarah Palin was a “barbie doll” it was wrong and offensive.
DeathToMediaHacks on December 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM
No, I’m not going to get all statist and start demanding that the government approve people for reproduction … but sometimes that option doesn’t sound all bad.
So, Ed, you won’t demand it but you think it may be a good idea?
Then why don’t you just go ahead and push for it. While you’re at it, appoint yourself czar of whatever you want to call the process. Who better to decide who gets to reproduce than that paragon of virtuous judgment, Ed Morrissey?
Most of us can agree that those folks are not firing on all cylinders, but so what? They’ve saddled their kids with hideous names, but so what? Are they that much worse than Dweezle, Moon Unit or Rumor??? For freedom’s sake we have to tolerate this. The alternative is worse. The America where “others” have that much power over you is worse than the America where people stick ugly names on their children. And when those kids are 18, if they have any dignity, they can legally change those names if they so desire. It’s a sad situation, but we cannot guarantee the absence of sad. It’s a natural byproduct of freedom. If we didn’t have the freedom to be stupid, I (and most of the rest of you lying BS’ers) would be in gulags or reeducation centers. Then, from whence would we get our politicians and bloggers?
SKYFOX on December 17, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Or how the gay community demands that we all be tolerant of their assault on little old ladies holding crosses at rallies, or targeting of little old ladies who run Mexican restaurants, or the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence crashing Catholic mass.
Not that I’m necessarily conceding your point (I don’t remember seeing any Christians demanding “tolerance”), but there is no shortage of “demands” coming from the gay community, either.
capitalist piglet on December 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Yes.
Don’t say, we. The alternative is worse. Yeah, right. Not being an ahole and glorifying one of the worse mass murderers in history is not a worse alternative.
Blake on December 17, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Frank Zappa was the man, and a conservative.
Don’t you hate.
MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 12:17 PM
No more than Democrats.
Esthier on December 17, 2008 at 12:19 PM
We agree on that much. With a business, its certainly an economic calculated risk of whom you will service and whom you won’t. Since its topical, if a business were to refuse service to a known pedophile, who would complain? A known pornographer? A known traitor? An retired terrorist? A murderer released due to technicalities? Risking negative responses from your customers or customer base is always a risk every company takes and I suppose that small companies have the freedom to judge what clients they are willing to lose due to their judgments. In other words, the market will drive the matter.
Geministorm on December 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I hate getting in the middle of this BUT the word marriage IS defined as between a man and a woman (Period).
That’s just reality…That’s the definition.
OK, let me ask, where do you draw the line here. No, this is serious too:
Same Sex Marriage? Yes or No?
Well, if you do same sex marriage, then you HAVE to allow Polygamy, because THAT’S discrimination!!! So you ARE for polygamists becoming “Married”?
Question 3: (This one’s even harder)
You ARE for same familiy members getting married? I.e. Mother to Son, Father to Daughter? Yes?? No??? Hell, why not??? Are you going to discriminate against them as well?
See, the problem is, if we keep “changing the goalposts” to what is clearly a definition, then there is no such meaning of the word anyway!!!!
Last Question:
Do you allow a marriage between a Man/Woman and an animal? Yes, No?? No, this is not a stupid question, because SOMEBODY will do it!!!!
It’s called the Slippery slope my friend
HarryStar on December 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I had a student named Goering. You would have thought the family would have considered a name change.
rightwingprof on December 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM
So you disagree, big deal. Anytime that happens, which will be always, no matter what the subject you are going to whip out
I guess the good part of that is everyone can just skip your posts because you only have one thing to say.
Cindy Munford on December 17, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Accurate descriptions are not derogatory. If anything, the sex perverts do it to themselves by insisting on our approval.
“Our” means us normal people.
platypus on December 17, 2008 at 12:22 PM
First I think how awful! And then it makes me think of The Producers…
Illinidiva on December 17, 2008 at 12:24 PM
So referring to straight people as “vagina slammers” wouldn’t be derogatory?
I’ll save you the trouble: Yes, it would. It’s crass and uncalled for, as is calling people sex perverts, or any other phraseology that you know, as well as I do, is meant to put them down. Quit playing dumb.
MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Ed,
You’re not a lawyer. Through the commerce clause, the federal government has been able to preclude certain discrimination in the workplace.
TTheoLogan on December 17, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Tell that to eHarmony. Just sayin’.
kcluva on December 17, 2008 at 12:27 PM
This is a relatively decent blog but you really need to think about what it is that the perverts do if you want to say vagina slammers.
They do things that are not natural, unless you consider personal prostate massaging to be a natural design function of a penis.
And if I get tossed off for that, so be it. But this hypocritical equivalence of natural sex with deviant sex is proof that the perverts and those that support them are simply working to destroy America.
And I cannot think of any euphemisms for the other activities that they do but those activities are even more repulsive. If they kept them to themselves, nobody here would be talking about those practices or the perverts themselves. But they don’t.
They define themselves by the disgusting things they do AND demand that us normal people accept them as moral alternatives.
Bullfeathers.
platypus on December 17, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Would anybody like to meet the grandparents? And at what age does this little guy start saying, “Hi, my name is Skippy. What’s yours?”
Cindy Munford on December 17, 2008 at 12:36 PM
All but the last one. Animals cannot legally consent.
Well, you’ve just excluded half of us.
Esthier on December 17, 2008 at 12:36 PM
So, is this how it’s going to be? All subjects and all issues will be viewed through lavender glasses, i.e., how it relates to gay marriage? Shoot me now. I’m sick of this constant hijacking.
Blake on December 17, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Actually, it’s more like 96%+.
platypus on December 17, 2008 at 12:38 PM
***** I’m quoting the entire post because I think SKYFOX hits this one out of the park…
*** Lock this thread, it’s over and SKYFOX is the winner AND get’s a spot on my GOOD CONSERVATIVES CHRISTMAS LIST!
ManlyRash was the 1st.
Mark Garnett on December 17, 2008 at 12:39 PM
What caliber bullet do you prefer that we use?
platypus on December 17, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Bullfeathers yourself. Technically, what homosexuals do is entirely natural, as animals do it too.
Of course they also eat their own crap, but you’re the one that set the standard at natural.
Esthier on December 17, 2008 at 12:40 PM
She meant women. As in, the phrase that MadCon came up with really only describes men, who are about half the population.
Anna on December 17, 2008 at 12:41 PM
If I have to go into the list of fetishes that straight people engage in that would be considered “perverted”, this blog will become rather more unpleasant. Suffice it to say that if you are so informed upon the sexual activities of other people, you know damned well that to single out homosexuals as “sex perverts” because they are not straight is incredibly dishonest. How many people called Bill Clinton a pervert? I’m pretty sure he wasn’t gay.
My apologies. I should have added “and the slammed”.
Simply making a point. There are a number of people I’ve noticed on this blog who like to pull that little trick, and it’s disgusting and very telling of their personality, apart from being an atrocious double standard.
MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 12:43 PM
My parakeets do that all the time. What the H?
MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Just wanted to let you know I’m stealing that phrase for my own personal use. It’s funny. Don’t know why this thread is getting bogged down by this topic, though…
And I’m a fan of Chairman Meow too, UnrepentantGeek.
Anna on December 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM
What do you want to bet that if they had named the kid “Joseph Stalin Campbell” nobody would have made a fuss – he’d have gotten his birthday cake without a problem. Yet Stalin killed far more people than Hitler, over a period of time far longer than that Hitler had. How about Pol Pot Campbell?? Or Mao Campbell??? Hitler was only one of the worst mass killers of the 20th Century -
UreyP3 on December 17, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Waiting for the ACLU press release…….
dmann on December 17, 2008 at 12:47 PM
And that has to do with civil liberties because…
In my understanding (perhaps I’m wrong), civil liberties are the laws/rights set forth by our Constitution that protect me (mostly from the government) and guarantee that I have the freedom to speak or print my opinion, practice any religion, own a gun, etc. I don’t see where there is a guarantee that I can get married to anyone, let alone that I’m prevented from marrying anyone. If you can point out the Amendment or Clause, please do.
Who’s being a drama queen? I don’t see where gays are being demonized by conservatives or the Republican party. I see where some conservatives think that homosexuality is “wrong” or a “sin”, but I don’t see any politician saying that we need to adopt anti-gay policies. And for what its worth, being against gay marriage is not the same as homophobia or anti-gay in my opinion. If the Republican party is anti-gay, then I wouldn’t want to be a member of the party, because I don’t think being gay is something that needs to be “fought” against or wiped out. Perhaps your statements are just rhetoric though.
I meant “you” in the general sense, but pardon me if I miscommunicated.
Then you would be one of the rare cases then. Compared to most of the people holding office in Washington, I’m surprised they can figure out which button to push in the elevator to get down. I think of our politicians the same way I think about most actors, they couldn’t have made it in the real world any other way. To state that Palin was “stupid” (amongst all of the other terrible comments) was an awful slander. I really don’t mind if people hate her for her views and opinions, but to make up such stupid shit like she was going enforce creationalist teaching in schools or make abortion illegal was playing upon persons with no idea of how our government works. Its the dumb preying upon the dumb.
Conservatives and Liberals don’t agree on much, but those differences in opinion need to be argued and defended based upon the logical best course for our country.
Geministorm on December 17, 2008 at 12:47 PM
To quote Pat Buchanan, responding to Sam Donalson:
“You may think you’re descended from monkeys but I don’t think you are.” We’re not animals and animals don’t do politics and morals.
Not because they’re not straight. They are straight (either male or female) – they just do perverted acts.
They “single out” themselves. How else would any of us know that they do these things if they did not announce it?
Stop being obtuse, if you can. It’s tedious and self-denigrating.
platypus on December 17, 2008 at 12:51 PM
And that’s just based on your own kinkiness…
Much better :)
I completely agree with it. For Christians to say they hate the sin but love the sinner and then go around calling them perverts (and worse)… it’s a bit much.
I don’t get it either. My ex-roommate’s dog was worse. He’d go into the cat’s litter box and drag out a “treat” and eat it in the middle of the living room.
Yes, thank you. Last I checked there were more than 4% of us.
Esthier on December 17, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Nice quote, but it completely misses the point. What happens in nature (i.e. with animals) is natural, by definition.
So homosexuality is completely natural.
That doesn’t make it moral or correct, but that was the problem with your use of the word natural in the first place.
Esthier on December 17, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Peddling melodrama and hysteria much? If
onethe majority sticks to thousands of years of precedent and defines marriage as between an man and a woman it’s akin to encouraging stoning and teen suicide? And do you honestly think that if gay teens were able to get married that they would no longer be suicidal? Civil unions won’t prevent teen suicide, but marriage will? Who knew that marriage had such magical, curative properties. And to think we were told for decades by the Hollywood elites that marriage is just a piece of paper.And as for the mere “handful” of people who physically attack prop 8 proponents, nice way to excuse lynchings. Aw, it’s just a handful of people. What’s the big deal? Moreover, you are conveniently forgetting all the rest who are being blacklisted and losing jobs because they are, in your intolerant view, “bigoted homophobics”.
Buy Danish on December 17, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Looking at my boys playing right now, I’d say it’s being mean to monkeys to say we have a common ancestor. At least they’re not flinging poo right now. : )
Anna on December 17, 2008 at 12:58 PM
While on the other hand, you’re a moron.
Akzed on December 17, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Oh really? Well do let me know when you begin calling the average person a sex pervert, because by most studies the average person has at least one sexual fetish considered “perverted” by many neo-puritan groups. It wasn’t too long ago that oral sex was considered perverted.
MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Those “parents” are just begging for they’re child to end up a homosexual jewish convert with a black boyfriend. Afterall, have you ever noticed how girls named “Chastidy” wind up being slutty, boys and girls named “Angel” wind up being juvenile deliquents, etc. If they really wanted the kid to be like Hitler, they should have named him Gaylord Tyrone Abraham.
DethMetalCookieMonst on December 17, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Tell that to all of the babies aborted, I don’t recall consent. No, not trying to start an argument, just sating.
HarryStar on December 17, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Oh look. Insults followed up with insults. Shocka.
MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 12:59 PM
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