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Rick Warren to give invocation at Obama’s inauguration; Update: Gay groups go ballistic

posted at 5:30 pm on December 17, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I was hoping for someone a little more, shall we say, audacious, but audacity’s always been unwelcome at The One’s biggest events. Enter Warren, one of the most politic choices available, who’s been courting Obama for more than two years notwithstanding his highly nuanced voting record on life-saving treatment for babies delivered after botched abortions. For his trouble he’s got a spot on the dais on Inauguration Day, just after Dianne Feinstein and before Aretha Franklin. Jackpot.

It makes a whole lot of sense. Even though Warren and Obama disagree on the life issue, they do see eye to eye on many social justice issues. This move is also classic Obama because it is a signal to religious conservatives that he’s willing to bring in both sides to the faith discussion in this country. Obama has never shied away from that.

I’m far from well informed about this, but isn’t Warren’s reputation among religious conservatives that of a bit of a squish? Bryan used to inveigh against him here from time to time; just yesterday, he reminded Beliefnet that he’s okay with domestic partnerships for gays, albeit not marriage. Predictably, the perpetually aggrieved are agitating for Obama to boot him. Exit question: Isn’t the only difference between Warren and Obama on gay marriage that one supported Prop 8 while the other tepidly opposed it?

Update: Lefty outfit People for the American Way lowers the boom:

It is a grave disappointment to learn that pastor Rick Warren will give the invocation at the inauguration of Barack Obama.

Pastor Warren, while enjoying a reputation as a moderate based on his affable personality and his church’s engagement on issues like AIDS in Africa, has said that the real difference between James Dobson and himself is one of tone rather than substance. He has recently compared marriage by loving and committed same-sex couples to incest and pedophilia. He has repeated the Religious Right’s big lie that supporters of equality for gay Americans are out to silence pastors. He has called Christians who advance a social gospel Marxists. He is adamantly opposed to women having a legal right to choose an abortion.

Update: Cometh the outrage. Obama’s got no choice but to sit there and take it; he’s not going to alienate Christians or jeopardize his new centrist rep by uninviting Warren.

“Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans,” the president of Human Rights Campaign, Joe Solomonese, wrote Obama Wednesday. “[W]e feel a deep level of disrespect when one of architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination.”…

“It’s a huge mistake,” said California gay rights activist Rick Jacobs, who chairs the state’s Courage Campaign. “He’s really the wrong person to lead the president into office.

“Can you imagine if he had a man of God doing the invocation who had deliberately said that Jews are not going to be saved and therefore should be excluded from what’s going on in America? People would be up in arms,” he said.

The editor of the Washington Blade, Kevin Naff, called the choice “Obama’s first big mistake.”


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Rev, Wright and Father Pfleger must have had Other Plans that day…………..

Janos Hunyadi on December 17, 2008 at 5:32 PM

So what?

This is substantive news?

I will say that it is interesting that Obama chose Warren. Why do you think that is?

Joe Pyne on December 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM

What??…No Wright?
I’m sure he’ll make an appearance after January 20th.

christene on December 17, 2008 at 5:34 PM

isn’t Warren’s reputation among religious conservatives that of a bit of a squish?

I’m not an R.C. (that’s religious conservative, not Roman Catholic – though I’m not that, either), though I agree with them on the life issue/gay marriage thing. However, I loathe Warren and the feel-good, Purpose-Driven train on which he rode into celebrity.

If that helps.

emailnuevo on December 17, 2008 at 5:35 PM

It’s amazing how many of those supposedly on our side are helping them (Obamites) move fast towards a soft tyranny of socialism which leads to the hard tyranny of communism.

True_King on December 17, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Anointing The One? Sounds a bit above his pay-grade.

Maquis on December 17, 2008 at 5:35 PM

He is adamantly opposed to women having a legal right to choose an abortion.

….. that’s because it’s above his pay grade.

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Pastor Warren fill the pews…that is what he does. He is popular, well loved by his congregation…
He is a well known pastor, that’s it, not a theologian, just a very popular pastor.

right2bright on December 17, 2008 at 5:38 PM

The People for the American Way screed is the only reason I’d say give Warren a pass. Can’t be all bad.

Mason on December 17, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Spot-On, Big A. A bit of a squish, not least due to his embrace of Obama, the single most radical pro-abortion politician in America.

How, precisely, this fits in Warren’s theological viewpoint is not clear, but maybe he is a student of the Kmiec pro-life school.

Jaibones on December 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Maquis on December 17, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Beat me by 7%………..

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM

Needless to say, the absence of the Reverend Doctor Jeremiah Wright will be a bitter disappointment.

Jaibones on December 17, 2008 at 5:42 PM

How, precisely, this fits in Warren’s theological viewpoint is not clear, but maybe he is a student of the Kmiec pro-life school.

I think both Warren and Obama are trying to show that even though two people can have large disagreements on big issues, it doesn’t and shouldn’t mean they can’t be civil or work together.

Tom_Shipley on December 17, 2008 at 5:44 PM

Hate to say it, but maybe Rev. Warren can sell a new book:
“The Purpose-Driven Inauguration”.
Barry’s saying, “Hey look, everybody! I’m a Moderate.”

kingsjester on December 17, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Squish indeed. As soon as the phrase “social justice” is invoked, I know we’re not talking about someone who would be considered conservative in any meaningful sense.

landshark on December 17, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Meh, I don’t like Warren… he’s swarmy… O should have found someone else… Wallis or McLaren… Warren did run the only memorable ‘debate’ except the VP debate though… I guess O’s trying to grab some cheap reach-around cred though… maybe lower the rapture ready forecast…

I think he should have invited the pope… kind of like Napoleon…

ninjapirate on December 17, 2008 at 5:45 PM

social justice = marxism
There’s a reason why Jesus didn’t fix a single social institution/problem while he was here.

TTheoLogan on December 17, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Speaking as a scary right-wing conservative Christian, there’s a big split in Evangelical circles regarding Warren. Lots apparently think he’s Christ himself; lots (including me) think he’s got more in common with the anti-Christ. So nobody should assume Warren is representative of Christians as a whole.

Anyway, this announcement shouldn’t be a shock to anyone. Makes perfect sense. Warren’s a big lovable squish, Obama’s a skinny lovable squish. Neither stand for anything substantive, and both have creepy agendas hidden behind their feel-good rhetoric.

Splashman on December 17, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Well, as a Catholic, I was hoping for a Bishop or two — either black or white, as the chessboard demands:

Say, Bishop Joseph F. Martino of Scranton, PA, who is Biden’s Bishop:

I cannot have a vice president-elect coming to Scranton and saying he learned his values there, when those values are utterly against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Or, say, Bishop Robert J. Hermann of the Archdiocese of St. Louis, MO:

We have lost perhaps 50 times as many children in the last 35 years as we have lost soldiers in all the wars since the Revolution, and that is a horrible, horrible thing to answer to.

Or even home court Bishop Martin D. Holley of Washington DC:

As an African American, I am saddened by evidence that Black women continue to be targeted by the abortion industry. The loss of any child from abortion is a tragedy, but we must ask: Why are minority children being aborted at such disproportionate rates?

and

We can welcome every child as a gift and we can overcome abortion.

Let every voice be heard, even if they won’t be at the inauguration.

unclesmrgol on December 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Spot-On, Big A. A bit of a squish, not least due to his embrace of Obama, the single most radical pro-abortion politician in America.

How, precisely, this fits in Warren’s theological viewpoint is not clear, but maybe he is a student of the Kmiec pro-life school.

Jaibones on December 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Rick Warren is a big squish in that he wants to be relevant and have a seat at the table and therefore stays as non-controversial and apolitical as possible. He’s really trying to take over the Billy Graham, super pastor and moral conscience of America role.

That being said… Him getting the Messiah to look like a moron at Saddleback and state that abortion was above his pay grade was pretty amusing.

Illinidiva on December 17, 2008 at 5:50 PM

How does Warren get a pass?
Conservatives whom are Roman Catholic wanted priests to not serve communion to pro-abortion candidates and were lambasting them.
If I were Warren, I can not in good conscience do this for such an extreme pro-abortion candidate. It’s just not acceptable.
Warren seems to be a guy looking for the $$$ and attention rather than following what he preaches.

jencab on December 17, 2008 at 5:52 PM

When did “womens right to choose” change from “womens right to murder”

HAGGS99 on December 17, 2008 at 5:52 PM

How, precisely, this fits in Warren’s theological viewpoint is not clear, but maybe he is a student of the Kmiec pro-life school.

Jaibones on December 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Perhaps his real love is marketing and sales.

a capella on December 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM

SELLOUT! Where is Joel Osteen when you need him?

sayabule1 on December 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM

He has repeated the Religious Right’s big lie that supporters of equality for gay Americans are out to silence pastors.

Isn’t this ‘lie’ precisely what the writer is advocating? Silencing Warren and anyone else who might speak at Obama’s inauguration that they disagree with?

jerseyman on December 17, 2008 at 5:54 PM

When did “womens right to choose” change from “womens right to murder”

HAGGS99 on December 17, 2008 at 5:52 PM

When people started defining abortion as murder.

Big S on December 17, 2008 at 5:56 PM

Rick Warren to give invocation at Obama’s inauguration

I feel a bit embarrassed for his parishioners.

Being civil is one thing, but this comes close to providing tacit approval for Obama’s anti-life policies.

Y-not on December 17, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Simple question here – who else could he pick?

Just like most of his appointments, Obama cannot nominate any of his associates, because a) he’s never really had any, and b) those associates he has had meaningful relationships with, are extremely, extremely radical.

No brainer here. And meaningless.

dugan on December 17, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Pastor Warren…recently compared marriage by loving and committed same-sex couples to incest and pedophilia. He has repeated the Religious Right’s big lie that supporters of equality for gay Americans are out to silence pastors. He has called Christians who advance a social gospel Marxists. He is adamantly opposed to women having a legal right to choose an abortion.

Prez Barry sez: “This is not the Rick Warren I thought I knew

ScottMcC on December 17, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Well matched, they are.

TheUnrepentantGeek on December 17, 2008 at 5:58 PM

isn’t Warren’s reputation among religious conservatives that of a bit of a squish?

I’m a pro-life conservative evangelical Christian, and I think Warren is awesome. I also think that gays should have the right to civil unions, that religion is 100% voluntary and whosoever will may choose as well as choose not to believe, and having had “social justice” shoved down my throat in law school – I am against most “social justice” programs which is really just cover for stealing money from people that work to give to people who choose not to.

JustTruth101 on December 17, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Even though Warren and Obama disagree on the life issue, they do see eye to eye on many social justice issues.

You know who else believed in “social justice”? Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc., etc.

Anytime I hear the phrase social justice I grab my gun.

Blake on December 17, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Religious Conservative here. Can’t stand Rick Warren, but for some reason, him doing this just really pisses me off. What a freaking sellout. Sheesh.

wytammic on December 17, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Warren seems to be a guy looking for the $$$ and attention rather than following what he preaches.

jencab on December 17, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Um, I don’t mean to be argumentative, but ‘tolerance’ is Warren’s primary message these days. So he is practicing what he preaches.

I read a lot of Warren’s early stuff, and much of it was good. But after a while, I recognized that even that early stuff was pushing ever so delicately into the PC domain of ‘tolerance’ (i.e., flexible standards wrapped up in spiritual mumbo-jumbo). Warren is a gateway drug preacher; the end of his slippery slope is the Unitarian church.

Splashman on December 17, 2008 at 6:01 PM

Warren had a good run with his book “The Purpose Driven Life,” but he got to liking the limelight too well IMHO. I believe this has softened his principles, and he has become a social liberal. He wants to show love to everyone, but he seems to have forgotten that Jesus turned over the tables of the money changers in the temple, and he called the Pharisees “whitewashed tombs full of dead men’s bones.” Kinda sad, really.

He has also forgotten that the Apostle Paul exhorted the Thessalonians, “For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.” That is hard to resolve against the easy welfare system our country now employs.

BoomJunkie on December 17, 2008 at 6:02 PM

I’m far from well informed about this, but isn’t Warren’s reputation among religious conservatives that of a bit of a squish?

As a Christian conservative I think that he’s more than a bit of a squish.

INC on December 17, 2008 at 6:02 PM

I think both Warren and Obama are trying to show that even though two people can have large disagreements on big issues, it doesn’t and shouldn’t mean they can’t be civil or work together.

Tom_Shipley on December 17, 2008 at 5:44 PM

I can’t believe I agree with Shipley. Please kill me. Now.

JustTruth101 on December 17, 2008 at 6:02 PM

The only question is which Messiah the good Reverend Warren will invoke at the proceeding? The one we know… or the one whose own pastor regularly asks God to damn this country.

TXUS on December 17, 2008 at 6:02 PM

They’re kind of perfect for each other in a strange way, now that I think about it.

TR-808 on December 17, 2008 at 6:03 PM

And I thought that before this news came out.

INC on December 17, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Bet Rev. Wright takes a contract out on him. You just wait!

Blake on December 17, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Obama gives Wright the brown helmet. Nice work.

Too bad Warren didn’t have the guts to take a pass. What a publicity hound.

As noted above, squish indeed.

BuckeyeSam on December 17, 2008 at 6:13 PM

I think both Warren and Obama are trying to show that even though two people can have large disagreements on big issues, it doesn’t and shouldn’t mean they can’t be civil or work together.

Tom_Shipley on December 17, 2008 at 5:44 PM

Shunning is still a powerful statement. Warren should have taken a pass–unless Obama were willing to walk back from his appalling position on abortion.

BuckeyeSam on December 17, 2008 at 6:17 PM

I am seriously LMAO at the commenters on LAist.

Teh gheys are NOT happy.

The Ugly American on December 17, 2008 at 6:20 PM

It’s just an appeal to those “bitter clingers.” Not gonna work.

Shame on Warren. I was never a fan. He’s far too flashy and self-interested. Maybe that’s why he likes The Zero.

Cody1991 on December 17, 2008 at 6:25 PM

your soul is full of unwashed socks.

kirkill on December 17, 2008 at 6:25 PM

For a supposed conservative to do this is to support a thug for president. I’m glad I’ve never read anything of his. Well, started once, but he was so redundant and tautological, I gagged.

rlwo2008 on December 17, 2008 at 6:26 PM

I am seriously LMAO at the commenters on LAist.

Teh gheys are NOT happy.

The Ugly American on December 17, 2008 at 6:20 PM

BBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!

Seven Percent Solution on December 17, 2008 at 6:42 PM

“It’s a huge mistake,” said California gay rights activist Rick Jacobs, who chairs the state’s Courage Campaign. “He’s really the wrong person to lead the president into office.”
He then added:
“He has whipped us into a fury, we won’t take this lying down, he is not going to shove this down our throat, he tried to sneak this in the back door, but we are not bending over to his every whim. We’re eventually going to stick it to him for turning his back on us.”

right2bright on December 17, 2008 at 6:43 PM

This is why Republicans should never engage in identity politics!

Look at it! Obama has sown the wind, and now he is reaping the whirldwind!

Republicans make this mistake at their peril.

apollyonbob on December 17, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Update: Gay groups go ballistic

*facepalm*

I swear, as a teh ghey I couldn’t really care less what the “gay groups” have to say. They don’t speak for me, that’s for sure. But here, they may actually have a point.

Warren isn’t, shall we say, well liked amongst gays for his anti-gay stance. Obama can still save face by replacing Warren, but it won’t be easy. Most well-known evangelical preachers don’t bode well with the vocal gay community. He’d basically have to pick someone who has either never said anything bad about gays, or at the other extreme, someone who agrees with gay marriage. Won’t be easy.

Anyway, Welcome Obama, to being on the hot seat…hope ya know what you’re doing…

JetBoy on December 17, 2008 at 6:48 PM

“Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans,” the president of Human Rights Campaign, Joe Solomonese, wrote Obama Wednesday. Joe, I’d avoid the use of the term “blow” in this context.

Mason on December 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Unimpressed with Warren from the start- too full of himself with his books, etc. Who did he think he was with his forums? What idiot let it happen? He and BHO are cut from the same cloth- opportunist. The right does not suffer fools gladly anymore, and Mr. Warren will now be shown the door,.

trainwife1962 on December 17, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Hey, did you hear this? Obama considers $1 trillion plan to jolt economy

That’s right, one trillion. But I’ve got good news, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to geico.

Oh, and all the people who did their best to make sure that teh evil traitor McCain lost to Obama because of AMNESTY!!!!!! .. thanks a lot. You were all a great help. Hope that ‘we need a 1976 to get a 1980′ cunning plan works out. As long as we’re still here in 4 years. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED “McCain must be stopped at all costs!” people.

wise_man on December 17, 2008 at 6:54 PM

If you haven’t heard — Gays aren’t really popular with straights these days. You reap what you sow.

Blake on December 17, 2008 at 6:54 PM

If Obama was trying to triangulate to the center a bit to appear “moderate” at the beginning, he did it in a very clumsy way. Thought he was supposed to be the smooth operator.

Wethal on December 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM

I won’t be watching anyway.

Rose on December 17, 2008 at 7:11 PM

I could care less who delivers the invocation at the inauguration. I won’t be watching it either.

But no matter whom Obambi would have picked, if he’s truly a man of God, teh gheys wouldn’t have been happy about it.

For being gay, they sure are a bunch of unhappy disgruntled people about EVERYTHING.

FlatFoot on December 17, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Burn your Rick Warren books. I sent mine away in the big orange garbage truck. We can’t trust anybody anymore.
What in the hell is going on here?

suzyk on December 17, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Yay more gay riots while a bunch of out of town blacks are in D.C. to see Obama. Should be fun!

SouthernGent on December 17, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Oh, how I love a heart guffaw on a cold and rainy afternoon . . .

califcon on December 17, 2008 at 7:26 PM

I can’t believe I agree with Shipley. Please kill me. Now.

JustTruth101 on December 17, 2008 at 6:02 PM

Last meal? Cigarette? Blindfold or no?

capitalist piglet on December 17, 2008 at 7:27 PM

I meant hearty guffaw . . .

califcon on December 17, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans,

*snicker*

BigWyo on December 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Rev, Wright and Father Pfleger must have had Other Plans that day…………..

Janos Hunyadi on December 17, 2008 at 5:32 PM

My sentiments EXACTLY!

Oink on December 17, 2008 at 7:31 PM

“He has whipped us into a fury, we won’t take this lying down, he is not going to shove this down our throat, he tried to sneak this in the back door, but we are not bending over to his every whim. We’re eventually going to stick it to him for turning his back on us.”

right2bright on December 17, 2008 at 6:43 PM

rlmao

JustTruth101 on December 17, 2008 at 7:32 PM

Burn your Rick Warren books. I sent mine away in the big orange garbage truck. We can’t trust anybody anymore.
What in the hell is going on here?

suzyk on December 17, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Nah, don’t burn your books. Warren’s doing what he’s supposed to do. He’s reaching out to the masses and those that will be hanging on every syllable and image of the inauguration are the ones that need it the most.

Oink on December 17, 2008 at 7:33 PM

For a supposed conservative to do this is to support a thug for president.
rlwo2008 on December 17, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Burn your Rick Warren books. I sent mine away in the big orange garbage truck. We can’t trust anybody anymore.
What in the hell is going on here?
suzyk on December 17, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Exactly! How dare this Christian lead our nation in prayer for our country and our president!

SouthernDem on December 17, 2008 at 7:39 PM

He’s reaching out to the masses and those that will be hanging on every syllable and image of the inauguration are the ones that need it the most.

Oink on December 17, 2008 at 7:33 PM

I understand your point, but I think Rick Warren already has plenty of ability to reach out to the masses through the notoriety his book brought him. It would have been much more powerful for him to respectfully decline the invitation to appear at the inauguration and state why. As it stands, he provides Obama with a great prop to use to prove how acceptable his policies on abortion are.

Y-not on December 17, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Ha ha ha ha ha. So are gays going to boycott the inaguration?

rbj on December 17, 2008 at 7:48 PM

I think Warren and PE Obama are perfect for each other. Narcissists. (that’s a lot of ssss’s)

Vince on December 17, 2008 at 7:52 PM

He has repeated the Religious Right’s big lie that supporters of equality for gay Americans are out to silence pastors.

I bet this supporter of “equality for gay Americans” doesn’t get the irony of writing this in an article criticizing the choice of having this pastor to do the invocation based on the pastor’s stance on gay marriage.

Hollowpoint on December 17, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Out of the closet and under the bus…

Bruno Strozek on December 17, 2008 at 7:59 PM

When did “womens right to choose” change from “womens right to murder”

HAGGS99 on December 17, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Anyone who uses the term “women’s right to choose” has some combination of the belief that the fetus is not human, or that killing one is justified as self defense.

Count to 10 on December 17, 2008 at 8:03 PM

He has repeated the Religious Right’s big lie that supporters of equality for gay Americans are out to silence pastors.

But they are trying to silence Warren from speaking at the Inauguration!

jgapinoy on December 17, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Perhaps his real love is marketing and sales.

a capella on December 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM

You guys are funny. You know nothing of Warren. Warren gives 90% of his income to God’s work. He leads people to Christ. He ministers to sick in body and spirit. Would you rather see Jackson or Wright praying. Maybe if you believe that when he prays, he is actually praying to God for all of our benefit. This is not just a “thing”, it is a prayer.

livermush on December 17, 2008 at 8:09 PM

McCain would have never been so mean to such an important Dem. constituency. :)

JiangxiDad on December 17, 2008 at 8:11 PM

I can’t believe I agree with Shipley. Please kill me. Now.

Oh, things could be worse… at least you’re not agreeing with Newt Gingrich!

Tom_Shipley on December 17, 2008 at 8:12 PM

I would be delighted if Warren would ask God in his invocation to help the new president protect unborn life, but I doubt Warren is that bold (or sneaky).

One does assume that OBama will not require that prayers be submitted ahead of time for censorship review.

Wethal on December 17, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Even though Warren and Obama disagree on the life issue, they do see eye to eye on many social justice issues

social justice, the code phrase for left wing activism. google it. No phrase in the english language is as odious and frightening as that. No wonder he is chummy with obama and obama is chummy with him. Never confuse this type of ideologue with anything we would recognize as conservative.

keep the change on December 17, 2008 at 8:15 PM

it’s disgusting how our leaders grovel to this fat homophobe! warren is a disgrace and obama should be ashamed for picking him!

Noneya on December 17, 2008 at 8:19 PM

it’s disgusting how our leaders grovel to this fat homophobe! warren is a disgrace and obama should be ashamed for picking him!

Noneya on December 17, 2008 at 8:19 PM

I doubt he’s afraid of them. He’s not in CA.

JiangxiDad on December 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Wow! Ain’t even president yet and already pissing off his groupies.

GarandFan on December 17, 2008 at 8:25 PM

*facepalm*

I swear, as a teh ghey I couldn’t really care less what the “gay groups” have to say. They don’t speak for me, that’s for sure. But here, they may actually have a point.

JetBoy on December 17, 2008 at 6:48 PM

do you think the people here at hot air speak for you better?

Noneya on December 17, 2008 at 8:27 PM

I’m pretty conservative (politically and religiously) and Warren is OK by me. Having listened to him many times, I haven’t ever found anything I could quibble about doctrinally. Some people don’t like his celebrity after The Purpose Driven Life came out, but IMO that’s just sour grapes. I think he’s actually done a fine job managing his celebrity while not selling out his beliefs.

PersonalLiberty on December 17, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Christian leaders to Warren: Keep Obama from pulpit

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53134

TheMightyQuinn on December 17, 2008 at 8:30 PM

I doubt he’s afraid of them. He’s not in CA.

JiangxiDad on December 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Correction. Saddleback is in CA. He is afraid.

JiangxiDad on December 17, 2008 at 8:35 PM

it’s disgusting how our leaders grovel to this fat homophobe! warren is a disgrace and obama should be ashamed for picking him!

Noneya on December 17, 2008 at 8:19 PM

You are a homo fatphobe.

JiangxiDad on December 17, 2008 at 8:37 PM

1) Amazed that the Gay rights groups are angry that he has chosen Warren, who holds the same viewpoint as Obama on Gay marriage, that is they are against it.

2) Have any of you dogging Warren as the anti Christ read his book? It’s a good book if you are a Christian, the main thrust is that it’s not about YOU and it’s about Christ. Serving his Kingdom rather than your own.

Sad to see so many Christians pissed off at other Christians. Makes a great witness to those unbelievers around you.

spacekicker on December 17, 2008 at 8:38 PM

You guys are funny. You know nothing of Warren. Warren gives 90% of his income to God’s work. He leads people to Christ. He ministers to sick in body and spirit. Would you rather see Jackson or Wright praying. Maybe if you believe that when he prays, he is actually praying to God for all of our benefit. This is not just a “thing”, it is a prayer.

livermush on December 17, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Livermush, he doesn’t lead people to Christ. 90% of the supposed conversions he has aren’t around after a few months. He sells them snake oil just like osteen.

TTheoLogan on December 17, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Would you rather see Jackson or Wright praying. Maybe if you believe that when he prays, he is actually praying to God for all of our benefit. This is not just a “thing”, it is a prayer.

livermush on December 17, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Warren should pray — I think a lot of us are praying especially hard for our country in light of the election — but he doesn’t have to do it on stage with a guy with such a poor record on abortion. He could have held an ecumenical prayer service for the country at his mega church on inauguration day or prayed privately — the prayers would be just as effective, wouldn’t they?

When it comes down to it, I believe God would listen to the prayers of Jesse Jackson on behalf of our country every bit as intently as He will listen to Warren’s. Why give Obama the photo op?

Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised and Warren will insert something into his prayer about “guiding the new president to commit himself to protecting the lives of the unborn,” but I doubt it.

Y-not on December 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM

spacekicker, why didn’t Obama ask a Catholic priest? After all, his VP is Catholic.

Answer: because none would come to the installation of a pro-abortion, pro-infanticide politician.

Any politician who accepted not only killing unborn children, but if they survived abortion that they should be left in a hospital linen closet to die, should not have any clergy who call themselves Christian on the platform with him.

Wethal on December 17, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Wethal on December 17, 2008 at 8:13 PM

+1, you beat me to it.

You can bet your bippy that Cardinal Egan would seize that opportunity, we he given it. I’m guessing his invitation will be lost in the mail.

Y-not on December 17, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Livermush, he doesn’t lead people to Christ. 90% of the supposed conversions he has aren’t around after a few months. He sells them snake oil just like osteen.

TTheoLogan on December 17, 2008 at 8:40 PM

exactly. that obscene megachurch of his wasn’t built for free….

Noneya on December 17, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Most diverse administration evah!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM

WWII German-Christian martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote a book on cheap grace and costly grace, The Cost of Discipleship. Warren sells cheap grace.

Wethal on December 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM

exactly. that obscene megachurch of his wasn’t built for free….

Noneya on December 17, 2008 at 8:49 PM

don’t forget white male.

how’d you like his megachurch if it was super gay friendly :)

JiangxiDad on December 17, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Don’t worry, folks. Barry will play kiss-and-makeup with the LGBTs around 2010 for mid-terms. Bank on it.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 17, 2008 at 8:56 PM

**yawn** Warren will NEVER be able to match Rev. Wright’s “God D*amn America” rhetoric.

My collie says:

I’ll wake when the inauguration is over, CC.

CyberCipher on December 17, 2008 at 9:02 PM

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