tommylotto on December 18, 2008 at 1:41 PM

No BKennedy or csdeven around so you can be the Three Stooges. Such a shame.

If you voted for anyone other than the huskter then you wasted your vote. Pound for pound he could have kept up with the one in charisma and communication skills. I have said it before and will say it again, I have alot of friends who are donating, working living and breathing card caring dems and the only person they were worried about was the huskter. I am noting saying i am in love with the man, next thing you know there will be post about huckers, LOL

come on you have to admit it was funny. LOL

I voted for Thompson in the primary….

MadisonConservative on December 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM

He thinks that proves his conservative credentials. Rather, it just goes to show that Fredheads were just a bunch of meatheads ;-)

I’m certain that Obama didn’t stay awake nights worrying about this,

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Nah, B Hussein just spent a MILLION DOLLARS fighting it all.

mad-cow conservative — who did you vote for in the primary and who did you vote for POTUS.

kara26 on December 18, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Cute name. I’d come up with one for you, but I’m not smitten in kind.

I voted for Thompson in the primary, and McCain in the election, something which I have come to regret given McCain’s behavior since the election.

And…. Oh never mind, to quote our great defender of the ONE, “You Just Want Get It”

1) Open the vault and show everyone the proof…

2) Do NOT call me out as the same think as a “truthier”, I know exactly what happened on 9/11 and it was NOT an inside job.

3) Do NOT question my Reagan Conservatisiam…

Other then that, right2bright on December 17, 2008 at 7:43 PM and MadisonConservative on December 17, 2008 at 7:35 PM along with Ed can call me all the names in the book. I can take it. I feel strongly about the Constutution and rule of law, it’s clear the before mentioned do not. I stand by what I have posted, that those calling folks like me a “tin foil hatter” are the ones who probably never question things that just don’t add up, they are the same as those who have been conned to the tune of 50 Billion recently. They refuse to even think about the reasonable possibility that our concerns might be worth a second look. cThey are the same kinds of folks who live in a world where everyone is telling the truth, like BHO and Reszko, Wright and Farakhan. They never connect the dots or look at patterns of corruption, lies and payoffs. They probably think BHO is clean on the Blago thing also. MC, Ed, Alla & Not2 are the minority on this thread, seems there are more like me then like them here at HA… I guess we are all wrong and they 4 are the smart ones. They come off as pompus butts, but we are the kooks.

Also, the short form is missing extra information, such as the hospital of birth, the parents place of residence – at the time of the birth, their religion, ages, etc.

I am of the opinion that it is within this extra information that the skeleton lies.

While I am taking no position with regard to citizenship here, I believe a correction is in order: Even the State of Hawaii regards a COLB (which is a “Certification” of Live Birth, not a Birth Certificate) as insufficient for the purposes of establishing one’s bona fides as a native Hawaiian by blood. Those who submit a Certification in lieu of a Certificate are informed, upfront, that the additional inquiries required to confirm the Certification will delay the official finding. Thus, they recommend providing a valid Birth Certificate instead.

I’m sorry I can’t provide you with a link, as my bookmarks are on a different computer, but the process is outlined on the State of Hawaii’s website. While the matter being determined is not an issue of American citizenship itself, I believe it certainly bears on the relative legitimacy of Certifications vs. Certificates

If you read through all there boring docs you will see certificate of birth, and certificate of live birth are interchanged.

right2bright on December 17, 2008 at 8:06 PM

YOur statement is a LIE…Some entities may accept either but they are not the same

From a conservative site

And to show my intellectual honesty a citing that supports your position…am am not arguing against your position only your methodology.

And one more that points out the issue is not whether the short form “attests” to the the existence of the original but rather that the original and Hawaii state law conflict wherein his HI birth certificate may proof citizenship, but NOT “Natural born citizenship” in accordance with federally mnadated contsitutional requirements!

Dude you seem intelligent but you really don’t play fair. I am on page two I I have read 5+ of your comments where you say things to the effect of
“Just Google it” “Research more” followed by “where did you hear that” or “where’s the link” yet you have the audacity to hold yourself to the same standard you throw ouot statements about “so and so said this” or “it’s been shown that…” and never once have you posted a link to back up your position is it you think everyone else is lazy or are you just lazy yourself (not meant to offend just a straightforward question!)

Blacking out the certificate number is a clear alteration of the document. For that reason alone, THAT document can not be trusted. Hawaii tells all viewers not to trust it.

And furthermore the quotes you provide above state nothing about the certificate that Obama has posted on his web site.

marti124 on December 18, 2008 at 1:23 AM

His certificate on his website says birth in Hawaii and the date, what more do you want?
Oh, you believe that is fake also, my God, how gullible are you? Supposedly your expert found 5 things wrong, well all 5 were not wrong, and your “expert” never has come forward, your expert who said that there was only one fold, but there were two…BTW, I have one that doesn’t have any folds, I must not be real…stupid as I have ever seen, I have never in my life seen more stupidity over something so obvious…you know the liberals are laughing at you don’t you?
Hey stupid, that was already covered, they blacked it out because that is private information, Obama is the one who later released it with the numbers. It was stated by the spokesperson…read the original transcript of the meeting and you will see the black out mentioned. You know, kind of like blacking out a SS#, the one he released on the internet has all the numbers, has the seal, has the signature, and has no “alteration” on it.
Sorry Charlie…you are a loser.
You must love that Berg guy…he’s a loser also.

Janice Okubo is quoted as saying is second hand opinion in legal parlance and is not a direct source who has seen the document. It is up to Fukino to directly make a clear and unambiguous statement, which she has not. If she is upset with how people are reacting, she has nobody but herself to blame.
marti124 on December 18, 2008 at 1:23 AM

Are you an attorney…I didn’t think so, so why do you use statements like “in legal parlance” when you have no idea what “legal parlance” means. It make you sound stupid.
She isn’t upset, she is frustrated by the idiots who ask her a questions, that she answers.
A spokesperson has the legal right to confer information on behalf of their client. That hold up in a court of law…this was an official statement, not meant as a flippant comment, but a clarification of what you have a difficult time to read…funny that most attorneys do not have a problem with what was stated, and the follow up was quite clear…was he born in Hawaii, yes..end of debate, now go back to the playstation…

tommylotto on December 18, 2008 at 1:30 AM

You are almost to dense to respond to.
certified is not the same as original…certified birth,oh never mind, you don’t want to see…unbelievable.
Now, did you see who that spokes person was, who you said is

Then a person who a reporter describes as a “spokesperson”

This is what make you guys look so stupid…she was the official spokesperson for the dept. She is the one who answers the official questions…she is the “go-to” spokesperson. She was there, at the official announcement to clarify any statements and to take questions, and she was there after for interviews….she clarified it with an affirmative, she was speaking for the state of Hawaii…see even when an official states it, you guys whine about it.
No matter what is given you, you dozen guys whine.
You are so much smarter then all the judges in Hawaii, how did you get so smart?

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said in the three paragraph statement.

One could have it read “I have personally seen that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures” and “I have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures” — neither of those sentences is stating that she has READ or SEEN the actual “original birth certificate on record” — what she has seen is that this document is “ON RECORD IN ACCORDANCE…” this is what she has verified that ‘this document is “ON RECORD IN ACCORDANCE…”‘. Why is everybody reading more into her statement than what she is clearly stating? I remember the movie, The Last Emperor. “A gentleman says what he means and means what he says.” Let’s leave Fukino’s statement as meaning what she said, not what anyone else wants it to mean.

And please, STOP with that quote cobbled together by that reporter. The official statement was issued by Fukino and said nothing about place of birth. Then a person who a reporter describes as a “spokesperson” says “Yes” on the phone and in an email and that “yes” is attributed to a question concerning BO’s place of birth. We are only given the context spoon fed by the reporter. Sorry, but I do not buy it. Not after Rathergate, Fauxtography, etc. It may be true, but that unofficial statement by an unofficial spokesperson that may or may not have been improperly attributed to the question of place of birth (plus $3) will only buy you a Starbucks coffee. It certainly will not get you a drivers license, on an airplane or even qualify you to be POTUS.

What gets me is how quick Michelle and Allah can spot a dubious testimony from some of the hucksters on the right but when something feels very fishy from the “The One”, it is “yep, I believe the redacted digital shorthand birth certificate” despite the fact at the bottom of it — it says “any alteration voids this document”. Blacking out the certificate number is a clear alteration of the document. For that reason alone, THAT document can not be trusted. Hawaii tells all viewers not to trust it.

And furthermore the quotes you provide above state nothing about the certificate that Obama has posted on his web site.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said in the three paragraph statement.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai’i,” the statement concludes.

That you have seen many times, but this gem is from the Chicago Tribune, as a verbal comment, and followed up by email for confirmation.

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”

“This has gotten ridiculous,” state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. “There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy.”
Will this be enough to quiet the doubters?
“I hope so,” Fukino said. “We need to get some work done.”
“Hopefully this will end the speculation.”

You are welcome.
Now, you have the quote, enjoy ignoring this, enjoy saying it isn’t proof, enjoy saying you reject it, and you will find something wrong with it…you have to, or your whole premise falls apart…you have no choice.
Which is why no matter what is given to you guys, you won’t believe.
A website, easily written, where everyone for 75 years understands it,except the birthers.
Then this quote, given by the official spokesperson, but you won’t accept it, because you are birthers.
If the original was shown to you, you wouldn’t accept it…trust me, you are hooked on the cult, and nothing will sway your “feelings” about this, because facts get in your way.
Notice that Romeo is no longer in your corner? Why is that, because he finally got beaten down with the facts.
Take heed, you are the last of a dying breed…a few die hard birthers, ignoring the simple facts before you…such is the public education system.
Follow your leader Berg, as he pushes forward with his lawsuit to prove that Bush planned 9/11…think for a minute, that is who you are following, that is the mindset you think is right…you are all fools

tommylotto on December 17, 2008 at 11:29 PM

If you can’t read the website, with it’s very simple and direct information, I can’t help you.
You are saying that all the judges, attorneys, have never seen what you have seen…every Hawaiian, since 1911 till 1972 was given a COLB, and only a COLB, that is what they used for the official document for passport, license, welfare, etc.
They should fire all the judges who went through probate, with what you consider an illegal document…
Here is a hint…read, and read it again, and then again, and maybe you will see what the judges, attorney’s, officials, state dept., military all see.
Sheeesh, this is why this will never be settled, people can’t read a simple document….God help us.