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posted at 11:00 am on December 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Rush Limbaugh counts himself flattered and amazed that so much attention comes his way from supposedly Republican reformers like Colin Powell, but also just a little confused. Rush wonders which person supports big-tent Republicanism best — the conservative talk-show host who supported the moderate presidential candidate, or the moderate who wants conservatives like Rush drummed out of the party? (via Matt Lewis)

For someone who supposedly wants to promote tolerance, Powell seems pretty intolerant of dissent. And let’s make one point very, very clear: when the Republicans actually nominated a moderate for their candidate, fellow “moderates” like Powell left the party anyway. If Powell want to support Republican big-tent efforts, they need to stop going running away when a big-tenter runs for office.

If the GOP wants to win governing majorities again, they will have to find ways to make their message relevant to the majority. That will never happen with purity purges, which are ideologically satisfying but a quick path to a generation out of power. Rush knew that, which is why he supported John McCain in the general election, and why he supports Republicans at election time. Powell apparently hasn’t learned that much about politics as yet, which is why he doesn’t support Republicans at election time but feels himself enough of an authority to speak on party unity.

Who should Republicans keep — Powell or Rush? We should find ways to keep both and settle on core principles that unite the disparate conservative cliques, just as Ronald Reagan did. If we have to choose, however, the choice is easy. I’d rather keep the Republican.


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Corsair on December 16, 2008 at 12:15 PM

If we don’t hurry up soon, the entire country will be dependent on gov’t handouts and the Rs will cease to exist.

Illinidiva on December 16, 2008 at 12:20 PM

So how does the Republican party get a 15-20% hold of places like LA, Chicago, Atlanta, NYC, Miami? If they can’t figure that out they will remain a minority party forever.

Dr. Dog on December 16, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Therein lies the problem. Everyone that preaches this is talking about one thing. They want more money thrown at them. They will tell you right out that you cannot preach self reliance. They don’t want to hear it. The big cities (and the people that live there)don’t want that. They want more money thrown their way. The only way to make make them vote for you is to promise them stuff.
I may be alone in this, but I would rather stand for principles(small government, rule of law, personal responsibility, etc) and lose, rather than sell my soul for power. Then I would just be a democrat (whether I called myself a republican or not)

Corsair on December 16, 2008 at 12:15 PM

****** We have a winner ! +100

Mark Garnett on December 16, 2008 at 12:22 PM

You barter from a position of strength not weakness. Powell should know this.

tomas on December 16, 2008 at 12:22 PM

So how does the Republican party get a 15-20% hold of places like LA, Chicago, Atlanta, NYC, Miami? If they can’t figure that out they will remain a minority party forever.

Dr. Dog on December 16, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Quit worrying about this group or that group. Focus on Americans, not specific groups and help everybody that will help themselves. Reduce government, increase freedom, lower taxes and support the other planks in the conservative platform. That helps everyone, not just a sector of people.

Conservatism works every time it’s tried.

Big Orange on December 16, 2008 at 12:24 PM

If Republicans must take on Democrat policy positions to win, then the country is finished as a prosperous nation because Democrat policies will destroy prosperity. The ruling elites will be OK, but the rest of us will suffer mightily.

zmdavid on December 16, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Puck Fowell.

jukin on December 16, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Powell is the epitome of affirmative action

Bevan on December 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Agreed. This and the “drinking the Kool-Aid” metaphor are quite macabre.

The Race Card on December 16, 2008 at 11:46 AM

So is the pejorative “lemming” yet it’s appropo. Cancer is one thing — joking about it is in bad taste. Cult behavior and mob mentality are unfortunate political realities.

chunderroad on December 16, 2008 at 12:34 PM

That’s a no-brainer. An obese drug addict or patriotic war hero. Stick Rush in a jungle with a gun and ask him to fight and watch how fast he craps his pants.

General Powell backed Obama because McCain picked an airhead for his VP. She could not name one periodical or newspaper that she reads…sheeesh.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Colin Powell was raised up due to his race. He said so in his first book, which was gifted to me years ago by a non-white co-worker. In the book, Powell talks about the affirmative action that got him promoted as if it was something admirable.

jay12 on December 16, 2008 at 12:39 PM

The question is how do Republicans get an toe hold in the urban centers of this country? Go look at a county map of the 2008 election results on Google. 85% of the counties, ie country, voted red. If that was how EV’s were counted McCain would be President-elect.

So how does the Republican party get a 15-20% hold of places like LA, Chicago, Atlanta, NYC, Miami? If they can’t figure that out they will remain a minority party forever.

You don’t compromise on your core principles. Never pander. We conservatives win by presenting our principles in a clear, crisp manner–you don’t become the opposition. Conservatives will never win by posing as “Liberal-lite”. Generally, whenever conservatives run on our core principles: individual rights and taking responsibility for one’s actions, equal opportunity–not equal outcome, a free market for both goods and ideas, strong national defense, limited government, we win. This election we lost partly because we did not run a conservative candidate for president and the only reason he performed as well as he did was because he did have a conservative running as vice-president who was able to connect with the people in a way that he both couldn’t and wouldn’t.

Liberals win by cultivating dependent collectives–the free thinking rational individual frightens a liberal like nothing else.

Once conservatives get back to clearly articulating our principles and as people see just how big a mess the left is going to make running this country, then we will see more votes for conservative candidates.

Matt Helm on December 16, 2008 at 12:39 PM

General Powell backed Obama because McCain picked an airhead for his VP. She could not name one periodical or newspaper that she reads…sheeesh.

Obvious troll trolls obviously.

Funny how they can never resist bringing Palin into every thread, isn’t it?

Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 12:40 PM

That’s a no-brainer. An obese drug addict or patriotic war hero. Stick Rush in a jungle with a gun and ask him to fight and watch how fast he craps his pants.

General Powell backed Obama because McCain picked an airhead for his VP. She could not name one periodical or newspaper that she reads…sheeesh.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Ah, and NYC Republican who thinks Palin’s an airhead and that Rush needs to be killed in the jungle.

What would we do without you?

Win elections.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 12:42 PM

That’s a no-brainer. An obese drug addict or patriotic war hero. Stick Rush in a jungle with a gun and ask him to fight and watch how fast he craps his pants.

General Powell backed Obama because McCain picked an airhead for his VP. She could not name one periodical or newspaper that she reads…sheeesh.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM

How exactly is Powell a Republican? And why are you a Republican or conservative?

Illinidiva on December 16, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 12:42 PM

He’s no Republican.

Good people. The world is changing, has changed. The next president will not be John McCain. After 43 consecutive white male men as US president an African American will now have a chance to lead this country. Barack Obama is a good man and will do just fine. This is a fact. To beleive otherwise is to be in denial. Don’t let the world pass you by.

robertnyc212 on November 3, 2008 at 11:04 AM

Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Yes I know he isn’t… But I’d like to read the trolls convoluted ridiculous responses to this question.

Illinidiva on December 16, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Illinidiva on December 16, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Okey dokey.

I find statements comparing Sarah Palin to Reagan are like catnip to them.

Have fun! ;-)

Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Looking at the drug addicted entertainer, I think oxy’s will eliminate one choice.

getalife on December 16, 2008 at 12:52 PM

Liberals believe that tolerance means that other people must put up with them. It doesn’t mean that they have to put up with others.

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Yes I know he isn’t… But I’d like to read the trolls convoluted ridiculous responses to this question.
Illinidiva on December 16, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Barack Obama is a good man and will do just fine. This is a fact. To believe otherwise is to be in denial. Don’t let the world pass you by.robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Illinidiva It’s right there “This is a Fact” how is it a Fact because the troll typed it, that makes it a Fact. Obama Zombie -Obama Obama Obama Oh Sh2t! Four years of “This is a Fact” because I typed it see, that makes it a Fact:) See You Tube Video “How Obama Got Elected”

Dr Evil on December 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM

Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Good find.

So a person who believes affirmative action is beneficial in choosing a president also doesn’t like Palin. Who would of figured that.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 12:56 PM

As far as I’m concerned you can tie a chain on Powell’s ankle and toss him over the transom. He chose to abandon the party and endorse Obama for one reason and one reason only. So why should I care what he thinks.

johnsteele on December 16, 2008 at 12:56 PM

The only reason Powell ever became a Republican in the first place is most likely b/c the military is mostly Rep. and it was a totally politically motivated way to show that he is indeed “one of the boys”.

JAM on December 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM

The last survey I saw showed that in the US military officer corps, Republicans outnumber Democrats by 7 to 1.

What’s so hilarious about Powell is that he’s now being praised by the Left as an honorable man and a prophet, simply for endorsing a guy for President who was a total unknown just 4 years ago.

Back then, the Left charged Powell with “war crimes” at The Hague. But suddenly he’s been rehabbed.

Del Dolemonte on December 16, 2008 at 12:57 PM

General Powell backed Obama because McCain picked an airhead for his VP. She could not name one periodical or newspaper that she reads…sheeesh.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Oh. So he leftist lightweight airhead because the other guy had an airhead … VP?

That makes perfect sense.

And I see we have yet ANOTHER subscriber to the Couric/Gibson News Magazine Intelligence Assessment!

Sarah did bad in intarvew so she r stoopid! Breathtaking analysis Sherlock! How DOES a fount of wisdom like yourself fill the time?

TheUnrepentantGeek on December 16, 2008 at 12:58 PM

*voted for a

TheUnrepentantGeek on December 16, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Looks like I was right on November 3rd. McCain put this country at risk by picking Palin. This is why Powell could not back McCain. Powell’s courage and patriotism is unassailable and he backed Obama because he felt his judgment in security matters was better. And his assessment is apparently backed by Dick Cheney who has praised Obama’s national security team. Go figure.

But you guys go ahead and keep listening to Rush, the real patriot.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Looking at the drug addicted entertainer, I think oxy’s will eliminate one choice.

getalife on December 16, 2008 at 12:52 PM

Rush is no more addicted than Obama. Try again.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Looks like I was right on November 3rd. McCain put this country at risk by picking Palin. This is why Powell could not back McCain. Powell’s courage and patriotism is unassailable and he backed Obama because he felt his judgment in security matters was better. And his assessment is apparently backed by Dick Cheney who has praised Obama’s national security team. Go figure.

But you guys go ahead and keep listening to Rush, the real patriot.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Again… Please inform us what Republican values that you favor?? Because I’m still trying to wrap my arms around why someone posting on a conservative blog would expend so much energy defending Obama unless you’re a troll.

Illinidiva on December 16, 2008 at 1:04 PM

I’ll take Rush Limbaugh any day–a guy who succeeds or fails on his own merits, unlike affirmative action hires like General Powell.

Sgt. Hartman on December 16, 2008 at 1:04 PM

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:59 PM

How do you feel about President Bush. How about Joe Biden?

Cindy Munford on December 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Colin Powell Can Go To Hell In A Harrier!

Teddy on December 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM

The same people who complain about Powell now were withholding their support from the party’s nominee just three and a half months ago.

Big S on December 16, 2008 at 11:18 AM

So you’re saying we’re consistent in not liking RINOs trying to derail conservatives. Thank you for the compliment.

dominigan on December 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM

The last survey I saw showed that in the US military officer corps, Republicans outnumber Democrats by 7 to 1.

What’s so hilarious about Powell is that he’s now being praised by the Left as an honorable man and a prophet, simply for endorsing a guy for President who was a total unknown just 4 years ago.

Back then, the Left charged Powell with “war crimes” at The Hague. But suddenly he’s been rehabbed.

Del Dolemonte on December 16, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Powell understands Public Relations better then most as I mentioned before When “Black Hawk Down” occurred. Powell was concerned, hit the ceiling, I believe was the quote because of how BAD it looked, for our Marines being dragged behind those trucks through the streets of Mogadishu…Yeah that didn’t look Good/sarc. Turns out that was Al Qeada training them to attack us even that early…So a PR Guy who ignored something serious because of “the perception of coverage on CNN” rises to the top ranks of our Government…This really is the land of opportunity, God Bless America.

Dr Evil on December 16, 2008 at 1:07 PM

Rush or Colin? How about neither. Or both? There are a handful of steps of making this statement come true:

1) Barack Obama is proof that Affirmative Action has done all it can. It has leveled the playing field, allowing a person of non-white color to ascend to the highest office in the nation. To that end, support the end of Affirmative Action.

2) Make abortion a non-religious issue, by opposing Roe v. Wade on the grounds that it violates the tenth amendment, and make it a state issue. Treat it the same as any other issue that can be handled federally but is instead functioned by the State, like driver’s licenses.

3) Drastically reduce the size of government by privatizing…pretty much everything with the exception of border patrol, the military, and the courts. If that means we watch the Proctor & Gamble shuttle launch to dock with the Johnson & Johnson space station on the Magnavox HDTV at Starbuck’s Middle School, then so be it. Make operation of internal social functions an electable position. So if you can’t properly provide turnover for your state’s unemployment, you might be out of a job, ironically enough.

4) Base all taxes on consumption and save billions in actual monies and lost man-hours figuring out taxes. Use the money we are allocating to the IRS to pay down the federal deficit.

I could go on. In other words, aside from a slightly different view on the national border and some differences in foreign policy views, make the Republican party a place where the Libertarians and Constitutionalists can play, too. Everyone talks about moving to the left while we expand the tent. Maybe we should consider moving to the right to expand the tent.

Spc Steve on December 16, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Looks like I was right on November 3rd.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:59 PM

What, that the black man deserves a chance in office after 43 white men?

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Powell is wrong.

Conservatives didn’t lose because they were too conservative, they lost because they weren’t conservative enough.

They jumped onto the Pork Express with Bush as the engineer and it went off the rails.

Powell has no sense of politics.

drjohn on December 16, 2008 at 1:15 PM

I forgot to add that the big cities are destroying themselves when run by liberals.

Corsair on December 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM

There is indication that Europe is pulling back from the liberal ideas that they have been mired in for decades. Even Denmark is coming back from their liberal social tendencies in recognition that they are ruining the country! Why can’t Americans see where liberal ideas are headed and jump ahead of the European curve!?

Christian Conservative on December 16, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Powell understands Public Relations and he “Manages Crisis” the WMD report to the UN he jumped the Sofa. He stuck his finger in the wind and checked which way the political winds were blowing. He Got On the Bus…hope he doesn’t end up under it.

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Dr Evil on December 16, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Rush can be a bit much at times but he is 100% spot on this time. Powell is a complete sell out, a courtier of the worst sort.

Hilts on December 16, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Powell is a racist. He could not give one reason to vote for Obama over McCain.

Keep Rush. We don’t want racists in our party.

roux on December 16, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Yep Robert, because we all know that the patriots in the military didn’t support McCain 68/23 over your lightweight, affirmative action President. Go away troll.

Dawnsblood on December 16, 2008 at 1:27 PM

There is indication that Europe is pulling back from the liberal ideas that they have been mired in for decades. Even Denmark is coming back from their liberal social tendencies in recognition that they are ruining the country! Why can’t Americans see where liberal ideas are headed and jump ahead of the European curve!?

Christian Conservative on December 16, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Because the liberals here think that they are smarter. They think that if they are in charge of the fascism it will work this time. Just because it hasn’t worked anywhere it was tried doesn’t mean that it won’t work this time.
See: definition of stupidity.

Corsair on December 16, 2008 at 1:36 PM

I’d rather keep the Republican conservative.

I’ve never liked Powell anyway. He’s just another perpetually disgruntled liberal with a chip on his shoulder.

Buy Danish on December 16, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Powell is at best a squishy-Republican, but more likely a somewhat centrist, conformist affirmative action hire who voted for Obama because they are both black – and that’s all ok, I really don’t care – but please stop acting like his views on the Republican party even matter. It’s not like he brings any votes with him, and as time marches on his tenure as CJCS looks increasingly weak, and his time as SecState looks awful. He fought honorably in Vietnam – I’m not sure that makes him a war hero but it is certainly something to be respected – but how is it relevant to the war of political ideas – if it were, then surely McCain would have beaten the Obamessiah?

holdfast on December 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Me thinks Colon Bowel should seek medical help, his fecal incontinence appears to be rapidly spreading and can be observed whenever he opens his mouth.

dmann on December 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM

rush is right colin is left

TomLawler on December 16, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Rush is a weak coward. Colin is a courageous war hero and patriot.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 1:44 PM

(Powell) backed Obama because he felt his judgment in security matters was better.

Really? And what evidence did he have of that? Because Obama parroted the Democrat Party line, which was oppose Bush uber alles?

NoDonkey on December 16, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Who is this Colin Powell you speak of.

Sounds vaguely familiar.

Is this the guy who rode General Norman H. Schwarzkopf, Jr.’s coat tails during the first Gulf War?

phreshone on December 16, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Really? And what evidence did he have of that?

His pick for VP.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 1:47 PM

What, that the black man deserves a chance in office after 43 white men?

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Nah, it was that the guy who thinks doctors should leave unwanted preemies in a closet to die and who is already mired in a scandal before even taking office is a “good man” who will “do just fine.”
/sarc

Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Really? And what evidence did he have of that?

His pick for VP.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 1:47 PM

The sarc/ meter just went off the scale…

phreshone on December 16, 2008 at 1:50 PM

The Republicans did not lose because they were too conservative. The Republicans lost because they were not conservative enough.

Powell’s prescriptions would kill the party and the country.

I wrote this a couple of weeks ago to highlight the fact that compromise is killing us a party and movement. (It is a little too long to post here).

http://fundamentalfred.blogspot.com/2008/12/resurrecting-republican-party-curse-of.html

Fundamental Fred on December 16, 2008 at 1:52 PM

That’s a no-brainer. An obese drug addict or patriotic war hero. Stick Rush in a jungle with a gun and ask him to fight and watch how fast he craps his pants.

General Powell backed Obama because McCain picked an airhead for his VP. She could not name one periodical or newspaper that she reads…sheeesh.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM

We have a winner for most moronic post…
Go back to KOS and DU and take their talking points with you loser.

MechEng5by5 on December 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM

The time that you get swing voters to change their minds is when you have both no power and alternative ideas to the party in power. That’s what happened in 1980 and that’s what happened in 1994 for Republicans and conservatives — the swing voters were faced with Democrats running both Congress and the White House under deteriorating conditions, and there were no Republicans to blame for the problems, so they gave the other side a look.

What the Republicans have to have though, when that time comes around, is some sort of message that is both positive and different from the Democrats, who will always have the big media alibiing for their problems, both causes by others and their own creation. If the Democrats are screwing up and the GOP’s only ideas are to just be Democrats-light the way people like Powell want, that’s a pretty tepid message of “Hope and Change” to sell to voters.

jon1979 on December 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM

“His pick for VP.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 1:47 PM”

You mean idiot Joe Biden?

The guy who three years out of law school was elected a Senator, and who did nothing but get everything wrong and run his mouth for the next thirty years? That Joe Biden?

The Joe Biden that thought we were being way too hard on the Soviet Union and who thought we should explore ways to make for peaceful coexistence? The Joe Biden who claimed that there would always be a Soviet Union and that we should learn to live with it? The Joe Biden who lied 30 times during the debates?

Joe Biden is a complete clown act and it’s appalling that this mental case will soon be, by far, the very worst Vice President ever and that’s saying a lot, considering that the mentally ill Al Gore once darkened that office.

NoDonkey on December 16, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Nah, it was that the guy who thinks doctors should leave unwanted preemies in a closet to die and who is already mired in a scandal before even taking office is a “good man” who will “do just fine.”
/sarc

Y-not

“I’ve never met him, but he appears to be a sincere and genuinely nice person,” –Rush Limbaugh

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Rush is a weak coward. Colin is a courageous war hero and patriot.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 1:44 PM

You are entitled to your open, but that doesn’t mean that Powell is a Republican. After all, as a DUmmie troll, I’m sure that you feel your a person of honor as well.

I ask my question again… What Republican principles does Powell agree with?

Illinidiva on December 16, 2008 at 1:58 PM

boy, quite a cesspool in here.

eh on December 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Joe Biden. The man who took a watered down VP slot to increase his pension by $40k/year…

phreshone on December 16, 2008 at 2:02 PM

MechEng5by5 on December 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM

What we’re seeing is the left’s version of “rational” argumentation at its “finest”. The left cannot marshal facts and evidence to support logical argument because it’s all about feelings and emotions. Like petulant children throwing a temper tantrum, they stamp their feet and holler the same old tired shibboleths. They cannot engage in rational discourse, so they engage in ad hominem attacks.

It’s what we get as a society for spoiling our children.

Matt Helm on December 16, 2008 at 2:03 PM

it stands out starkly that you didn’t bother to provide us a link to powell’s comments, ed.

eh on December 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Politics/story?id=6368280

guess you missed the interview

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:09 PM

I’d rather keep the Republican.

Rush said yesterday he’s not a Republican.

Come to think of it, if things keep going as they have been the last eight years, it just might be that conservatives will end up being the true rinos.

Akzed on December 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I’ve never met him, but he appears to be a sincere and genuinely nice person,” –Rush Limbaugh

Nice does not equal good.

Sincere does not equal competent.

Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM

hmmm, ad hominem attacks?

Facts: Rush is fat and hooked on drugs; Powell is a war hero and patriot.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM

I vote for Rush and I don’t even like him.

Done That on December 16, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Why would anyone listen to what Colin Powell has to say when it comes to politics? He voted for an uber liberal Barack Obama. His opinion is worthless when it comes to what is needed for the Republican Party.

therightwinger on December 16, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Come to think of it, if things keep going as they have been the last eight years, it just might be that conservatives will end up being the true rinos.

Akzed on December 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM

It’s happened before–parties transform and change as a result of leadership abdicating core principles. The Democratic-Republican party split over the 1824 election–although that split had been building for some time. The Republican Party came into being mostly as a result of conscience Whigs and northern Democrats disenchanted over their respective parties’ leaderships failure to address the issue of slavery, etc. Maybe it’s time for another sea-change in American politics as conservative Republicans, Democrats, and Independents come together to form a new party? Hard to say…

Matt Helm on December 16, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Rahm’s calls on tape
The Blago scandal . . .

December 16, 2008
BY MICHAEL SNEED Sun-Times Columnist

Sneed hears rumbles President-elect Barack Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, is reportedly on 21 different taped conversations by the feds — dealing with his boss’ vacant Senate seat!

Obama is doing just fine.
/sarc

Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 2:16 PM

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM

I rest my case…

Now, go back to your playpen and play with your rattler. We grownups want to talk.

Matt Helm on December 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Nice does not equal good.
Sincere does not equal competent.
Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Adj of Nice: Of good character and reputation; respectable.

Dude….

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM

“I’ve never met him, but he appears to be a sincere and genuinely nice person,” –Rush Limbaugh

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Nice doesn’t equal good.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Adj of Nice: Of good character and reputation; respectable.

Dude….

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Certainly isn’t how the word is used.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 2:19 PM

“We” don’t choose them, they choose us.

Powell endorsed (and, I assume, voted for) Obama, even after all his foreign policy gaffes. One wonders when Powell signed on to Obama’s team — before or after the gaffes?

Powell, who stood up before the UN and dotted all the i’s and crossed all the t’s in our assessment of Iraq’s WMD capabilities, now says Bush lied, and McCain was with him in the lies.

Powell totally bought the change thing, from a pro-choice Buffalo Soldier wannabee, and threw over his own party.

I think Powell was motivated by either the abortion issue or the mere color of Obama’s skin, because there aren’t too many other points of identification between the two. I cannot imagine Powell surviving a microsecond in the toxic politics of Chicago, while Obama lasted there for decades, emerging clad in shimmering samite. Similarly, I cannot imagine Obama ever wearing the uniform (not the t-shirt, mind you — the uniform) of a military service of our country, while Powell spent many years in same.

If Powell wants to join the Democrats, it’s his choice — but he should compare the planks in the respective party platforms, and think carefully.

As for Rush, he indicates no desire to leave the party. So any talk of us throwing him over is moot. He’s a radio personality, and had a bigger and better pulpit than Powell will ever have (assuming that Powell never decides to become a radio personality himself).

unclesmrgol on December 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Google is your friend:

http://www.answers.com/topic/nice

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM

But who is yours? You the troll who thinks a black man should be president simply because he’s black. Yeah, that’s not racist or anything.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Adj of Nice: Of good character and reputation; respectable.

Dude….

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Not a dude. Might want to work on your gender bias, pal.

As for nice, I encounter people who are “nice” to me all the time in casual interactions, but I have no idea if they are “good.”

Merriam-Webster, if you want to play the word game. Look at the origins of the word and tell me how that equates to moral virtue (good). Virtuous is a minor definition, used in the context of sexual virture and social decorum.

nice
Pronunciation:
\ˈnīs\
Function:
adjective
Inflected Form(s):
nic·er; nic·est
Etymology:
Middle English, foolish, wanton, from Anglo-French, silly, simple, from Latin nescius ignorant, from nescire not to know — more at nescience
Date:
14th century
1obsolete a: wanton , dissolute b: coy , reticent
2 a: showing fastidious or finicky tastes : particular b: exacting in requirements or standards : punctilious
3: possessing, marked by, or demanding great or excessive precision and delicacy
4obsolete : trivial
5 a: pleasing , agreeable
b: well-executed c: appropriate , fitting
6 a: socially acceptable : well-bred b: virtuous , respectable
7: polite , kind
synonyms see correct
— nice adverb
— nice·ly adverb
— nice·ness noun

Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Certainly isn’t how the word is used.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 2:19 PM

The force is weak in this one…

;-)

Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 2:24 PM

We don’t win with moderation!

blatantblue on December 16, 2008 at 2:27 PM

“Facts: Rush is fat and hooked on drugs; Powell is a war hero and patriot.”

Facts: Your “war hero and patriot” backed a former drug dealer over a patriot/former POW.

As a Gulf War Vet, I wish General Powell well in a retirement. It’s a position at which I am confident he will excel.

NoDonkey on December 16, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Rush knew that, which is why he supported John McCain in the general election, and why he supports Republicans at election time.

Bull. Total BS.

Rush hates McCain, and always has. His faint praise during the election bordered on outright opposition.

“We are *so* screwed, folks.” – Rush

It’s this sort of crap which lost McCain the election and gave us The One. Rush knows it, and he must have thought a McCain Presidency so egregious that having Obama was better. Now he and others in the ideological purity camp are engaging in some of the best cognitive dissonance in recent memory by saying they supported McCain. They did nothing of the kind, and they know it.

The fact is that so-called conservative values are going out. Values like bigotry against gays, nativism, and creationism. Those are not the way to get into power. The only way forward is to leave people’s moral and social choices to themselves and focus on legitimate functions of government. Lower taxes, lower spending, robust national defense (note: economic immigrants from Mexico don’t hurt national defense), and keeping the government *out* of people’s lives is why we need a Republican party. We don’t need one to tell us how to live our lives.

Viscount_Bolingbroke on December 16, 2008 at 2:29 PM

If they are being nice to you they are exhibiting good qualities…sheesh

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM

If they are being nice to you they are exhibiting good qualities…sheesh

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Exhibiting doesn’t mean possessing.

Try again.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Like I said before, McCain put his country at risk by picking Palin. A real patriot wouldn’t do that.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Like I said before, McCain put his country at risk by picking Palin. A real patriot wouldn’t do that.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Considering you believe a “real patriot” would vote for a man based on the color of his skin, I doubt any of us will take your advise on patriotism.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM

I’ve never met him, but he appears to be a sincere and genuinely nice person,” –Rush Limbaugh

genuinely nice person in this context is not ‘appearing’ nice or good

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:37 PM

General Powell chose Obama because of his intellect and his ability to pick the right people to protect this country. Don’t take my word for it just ask Cheney: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6467512&page=1

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:40 PM

try again:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=6470914

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:43 PM

That’s a no-brainer. An obese drug addict or patriotic war hero. Stick Rush in a jungle with a gun and ask him to fight and watch how fast he craps his pants.

General Powell backed Obama because McCain picked an airhead for his VP. She could not name one periodical or newspaper that she reads…sheeesh.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM

What an ass-clown Screw you. I served under Powell and he’s no war hero. He rode on H. Norman Schwarzkopf coattails. Also, I “actually listen” to Rush (unlike some other folks who parrot MSM and liberal talking points about him) and he’s as big a patriot as Powell any day in my book. And before you go off dismissing someone because their past or their girth look in your own mirror.

Must be nice to be perfect and ordor free!

hawkdriver on December 16, 2008 at 2:43 PM

General Powell fought and served valiantly in the jungles of Vietnam. Rush did what during this time??

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Rush is a weak coward. Colin is a courageous war hero and patriot.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Robert, you have not stated anything to support your claim about Limbaugh. Are you saying that anyone who hasn’t served is a ‘weak coward?’ People who have had problems with drugs? Radio hosts that don’t share your point-of-view? I’m not a Limbaugh fan but don’t recall anything that he has done that makes him a coward. On the contrary, his comments on Donovan McNabb is a great example of someone who has no fear in speaking his mind. I’m sure there are others but that one cost him a paying gig.

As for Powell, of course he is a racist. He was the one who brought up Obama’s skin color months ago when pressed as to why he hadn’t endorsed. The thought of a black President appealed to him. That is flat out racism.

But even more disturbing for this man you claim is a patriot, is his willingness to put aside what is best for the country for his own gain. He quit on several administrations because he was more afraid of how their actions would make him look in the eyes of the world. He has no guts when it comes to sticking it out. He fell in-bed with the doom and gloom crowd in Iraq and bailed when the heat started being applied to him.

Oh and comparing any of this to Cheney’s comments about Obama’s security team as some sort of justification for Powell’s endorsement of Obama is just plain ignorant. Powell did not endorse Obama because he had some idea of who he would pick for his security team. He went with Obama because Obama is black (well, half black). Palin doesn’t factor into it and neither does Obama’s choices. Skin color, plain and simple.

grdred944 on December 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM

keep Rush.

Alden Pyle on December 16, 2008 at 2:48 PM

Like I said before, McCain put his country at risk by picking Palin. A real patriot wouldn’t do that.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:33 PM

General Powell fought and served valiantly in the jungles of Vietnam. Rush did what during this time??

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM

I freaking love when liberals prop up liberal icon because their position and dismiss another.

What have you done to serve? Where you military?

hawkdriver on December 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM

General Powell backed Obama because McCain picked an airhead for his VP. She could not name one periodical or newspaper that she reads…sheeesh.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Bobby, go back to sleep

Bridgette on December 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Powell specifically said McCain’s choice of Palin was a determining factor. He felt Palin was a weak choice and showed a lack of judgement required of a commander in chief.

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Like I said before, McCain put his country at risk by picking Palin. A real patriot wouldn’t do that.
robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:33 PM

General Powell fought and served valiantly in the jungles of Vietnam. Rush did what during this time??

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM

I freaking love it when liberals prop up a liberal icon because their position and dismiss another.

What have you done to serve? Were you military?

hawkdriver on December 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM

hawkdriver on December 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM

robertnyc212 on December 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM

And Powell never said a damn thing about Biden not knowing which article of the constitution governs the office of the VP. Never said anything about him thinking FDR went on TV in 1929 as the POTUS and calmed Americas entering the depression. Nothing about him lying about visiting a restuarant “the other day” that’s been closed for 15 years.

Talk about an airhead.

hawkdriver on December 16, 2008 at 2:55 PM

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