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The New York nanny state continues apace

posted at 9:42 am on December 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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We thought the ban on trans-fats in New York City restaurants was bad enough, but now New York Governor David Paterson has apparently decided to one-up Mayor Michael Bloomberg.  Paterson has proposed an “obesity tax” — surcharges on foods that don’t meet with the approval of the Empire State Board of Regulating Your Food Choices.  It will start with sodas, but it won’t end there:

A can of Coke could soon cost New Yorkers more than just calories.

Gov. Paterson, as part of a $121 billion budget to be unveiled Tuesday, will propose an “obesity tax” of about 15% on nondiet drinks.

This means a Diet Coke might sell for a $1 – even as the same size bottle of its calorie-rich alter ego would go for $1.15.

New York blogger and centrist Jazz Shaw sees … well, red:

The worst part is that this isn’t going to have any significant impact on consumption or health in our state. It’s just a way to put a “health friendly” label on an obvious grab for more tax revenue in a state whose permanently dysfunctional government couldn’t balance a budget with the scales of Lady Justice herself. Better to just pass an across the board income tax hike and see if the voters will tolerate it when you next stand for election. Or, perhaps, exhibit the leadership required to whip the state legislature into some semblance of fiscal responsibility. But that would require political courage, wouldn’t it? So I suppose we’ll just get an “obesity tax” for an early Christmas present instead.

All of that is true, except for the consumption part.  New York will probably sell fewer Coca-Colas and Pepsis as a result of the tax, especially in vending machines.  People won’t switch to the diet versions, however (diet drinks are an acquired taste), nor will they buy milk or bottled water.  They just won’t buy anything at all.  The increase in tax revenues that Paterson uses to partially justify the new policy won’t appear, leaving New Yorkers thirsty and the government in no better position than it is now — but with more enforcement responsibilities than it had previously.

Of course, the nanny-state advocates love the idea:

Public health advocates welcomed news of the tax, saying it would help the fight against childhood obesity.

“Raising the price of this liquid candy will put children and teens on a path to a healthier diet,” said Elie Ward of the American Academy of Pediatrics of New York State.

Since when did that become the responsibility of government?  Parents have that responsibility.  If the AAP wants to get government involved in the beverage issue, they can have them pull the vending machines out of schools, which sell the sodas to the kids.  Parents would probably welcome that change anyway, and at least that’s a legitimate area for government action.

Those aren’t the only taxes Paterson plans to raise.  He wants to reinstitute the sales tax on clothing and shoes, while increasing welfare payments 30%, making it easier to qualify for Medicaid and expanding the Family Health Plus program.  The state of New York needs its own obesity controls instead of an obesity tax.  When Paterson proves that he can slim down government, maybe he’d have the credibility to act as a diet coach for his constituents.  Until then, have a Coke and a smile, and shut the hell up.

Update: Don Surber notes that West Virginia has had a soft-drink tax for 50 years:

West Virginia imposed one more than 50 years ago.

West Virginia is the second fattest state in the country.

Thank God, once again, for Mississippi.

WV’s tax applies to all soft drinks, because 50 years ago no one had started producing diet soft drinks.  Lawmakers worried about malnutrition, not obesity, and the funds were earmarked for the construction of a dentistry school — which has long been built, with the “usual Robert C Byrd thingies”, as Don puts it.


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Love it!

Uhhhmerica ain’t what she used to be.

artist on December 16, 2008 at 9:44 AM

How about a tax on incompetent and corrupt politicians?

With this many Democrats in elected office, we’ll be running a surplus in no time.

NoDonkey on December 16, 2008 at 9:46 AM

The best way to balance the budget in New York would be to impose a stupidity tax.

JammieWearingFool on December 16, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Next they will have to hire people to follow the pizza delivery guys around, then barge through your door, tax you and take your pizza.

perroviejo on December 16, 2008 at 9:52 AM

And People “were upset” SNL made fun of him…Why The Truth is unpleasant. SATIRE isn’t always pretty but there is usually a grain of truth to it. Which has nothing to do with his handicap that was just away to exaggerate the impersonation…which is what comedians are known for. Who knows maybe this will raise SNL out of the ratings dump. At least the Governor would have accomplished something positive.

Dr Evil on December 16, 2008 at 9:53 AM

It seems that Gov. Blago of Illinois isn’t the only governor out there suffering from delusions.

pilamaye on December 16, 2008 at 9:54 AM

He’s also trying to get the Indian reservation to collect taxes on cigarettes sold to non indians. I can see the tire fires along the NYS Thruway already. From what I hear, he’s doing away with face to face interviews for medicaid qualification and no more fingerprint checks for welfare. If you want to see what unbridled Liberal stupidity can do, just look at the results in NYS. Losing population and tax base consistantly isn’t enough for people around here to get a clue. In Erie County, home to Buffalo, we actually have a control board at the city and the county level because they’re basically bankrupt. What do they do? Vote in more Dems! Good thinkin’! Western New York has reached the critical mass where those who depend on Government for employment or benefits outnumber productive folks. If that ever happens on a national level, we’re finished.

trubble on December 16, 2008 at 9:54 AM

So glad I left NY a long time ago.

rbj on December 16, 2008 at 9:54 AM

It blows my mind that people think the Republican party is the one “taking away our freedoms” when Democrats keep pushing nanny-state legislation.

Paterson doesn’t care if people get fat on Coke, its another excuse to spread the wealth.

Lay-Z on December 16, 2008 at 9:55 AM

“Raising the price of this liquid candy will put children and teens on a path to a healthier diet,” said Elie Ward of the American Academy of Pediatrics of New York State.

…and they will never die.

whitetop on December 16, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Public health advocates welcomed news of the tax, saying it would help the fight against childhood obesity.

Just once I’d like to see some organization helped by some new regulation say “I’m against this new regulation, it’s anti-freedom, it’s controlling, it’s un-American!”. Here in Ohio the American Cancer Society pushed Issue 5, a ballot issue that was recently passed. Issue 5 says no smoking in any public place including restaurants and bars, period. As much as I hate smoking and smoke, I think it’s terrible, Nazi-like, fascistic. Some blue collar guy works all day, wants to chill at a bar with a cigarette and a beer, and it’s against the law! And some private business owner, owned some restaurant for decades, has his loyal customers, and maybe his business drops off 50% because of the smoking ban, and he goes under. All for what. What’s happening to this country!

Paul-Cincy on December 16, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Next, Gore will make NY take the CO2 bubbles out of the Coke.

whitetop on December 16, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Sadly, this never ends in New York. The one party politburo rolls on despite its record.

kcluva on December 16, 2008 at 9:58 AM

In Chicago Mayor Daly instituted a tax on bottled water. He wonders why businesses are moving to the suburbs.

Tommy_G on December 16, 2008 at 9:59 AM

Sounds like a good idea to me. Our country is fat and that fatness is a drag on the healthcare system, increasing costs and premiums for everyone else. Sure you have a right to get fat and gross, but you don’t have a right to do it cheaply. It’s not a matter of “freedom” for fatty food to be cheaper than healthier options. There are people with actually legitemate claims of discrimination in this world.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM

When I moved to NC, I had a hard time adjusting to tax on such things as Milk.
A necessity of life, and you tax it?
He will learn, what others before him learned…tax something and it goes away, or underground. Revenue is lost, not gained.
Here is an example, years ago they placed a large tax on “luxury items) (over $30,000)…sounds like a good idea. Big money, buying big cars or yachts, let’s stick it to them, Kennedy was a big supporter.
It wiped out the yacht building industry in months…thousands (25,000) of carpenters, workers, lost their jobs in the yachting industry alone. Revenues dropped, and the yachting industry alone dropped by 70%…the rich just deferred their purchases.
Kennedy couldn’t vote quick enough to repeal that tax…it seems Mass was a pretty large player in yacht building…was…

right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Hmmmmmmm… I wonder if it was Governor Paterson’s shocking stupidity that inspired SNL to have a go at him this past weekend.

Paterson is betting the farm that people are so addicted to Coke and the like that they will just suck up the extra expense — his revenue plan crashes and burns otherwise.

It’s a neat way to squeeze taxes out of little kids and pre-teens, though. I’ll bet Doritos and Hubba Bubba are next.

CantCureStupid on December 16, 2008 at 10:02 AM

I recall about a year ago, you guys linked an article from the Wall Street Journal that pointed out something relevant to this discussion. Specifically, the article noted that when folks from states like New York whine about their business disappearing to foreign countries, they never explain why it is they seem to think Georgia, Florida, Texas, Nevada, etc. are foreign lands. The author of that piece made the point that it’s state policies, not national ones, that have turned NY, MA, and MI into the type of places they are today. This is just another example: if anybody down here in Georgia proposed the state have an obesity tax, he’d be laughed at everywhere from Buckhead mansions to Augusta tenements.

radjah shelduck on December 16, 2008 at 10:03 AM

30% raise in welfare payments? WTF?

As for the soda, when I visited NYC I bought a few Cokes from street vendors working the tour bus lines, paid a buck per bottle; the vendors were doing good business from the tourists.

What’s to keep the vendors from heading to NJ, buying the soda there for cheaper and then hawking them in NY for less than everyone else. New York’s finest will spend its time cracking down on the cooler coolies?

Bishop on December 16, 2008 at 10:04 AM

and maybe his business drops off 50% because of the smoking ban, and he goes under. All for what. What’s happening to this country!

Paul-Cincy on December 16, 2008 at 9:57 AM

The irony is, the restaurant industry fought that ban tooth and nail, now they would fight to have the bill taken away.
It has saved them so much money by not having smoking…air conditioning filters, repairs on furniture, less clean-up, law suits about second hand smoke, etc.
Every state that has gone smokeless in restaurant would never go back…so it is inevitable.
Not saying the gov. should pass a law, just that the industry is supporting that law.

right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 10:07 AM

Sure you have a right to get fat and gross, but you don’t have a right to do it cheaply.

Why not?

Bishop on December 16, 2008 at 10:07 AM

And some private business owner, owned some restaurant for decades, has his loyal customers, and maybe his business drops off 50% because of the smoking ban, and he goes under. All for what. What’s happening to this country!

Paul-Cincy on December 16, 2008 at 9:57 AM

I don’t get that one either. If I own a business, and I want to smoke in my own business and allow others to smoke in it, I should be able to do that.

Granted, I benefit from this law myself, as I don’t smoke and don’t like being around it, but I can’t say I like the law.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM

This is just another example: if anybody down here in Georgia proposed the state have an obesity tax, he’d be laughed at everywhere from Buckhead mansions to Augusta tenements.

radjah shelduck on December 16, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Or you would be the wealthiest state in the union…

right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM

All of that is true, except for the consumption part. New York will probably sell fewer Coca-Colas and Pepsis as a result of the tax, especially in vending machines. People won’t switch to the diet versions, however (diet drinks are an acquired taste), nor will they buy milk or bottled water. They just won’t buy anything at all.

I’m reminded of Governor Sanford (SC) and a proposed tax increase this past summer involving cigarettes. Quote:

“…raising cigarette taxes will lower the number of smokers, which means you’d have financial shortfalls in the future in paying for Medicaid.”

Or from this site:

The Governor, perhaps correctly, pointed out that the bill “virtually ensures future tax increases” in order to maintain consistent Medicaid funding.

Conservative governors get this, that taxing something decreases the number of consumers, creating a shortfall in the future; thus, the problem doesn’t really get solved just postponed.

LastRick on December 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM

“It blows my mind that people think the Republican party is the one “taking away our freedoms” when Democrats keep pushing nanny-state legislation.”

That’s because the ability to chat with terrorists in foreign lands is a cherished American freedom.

Whereas we all love being taxed to death to support useless and counterproductive social programs designed to elect Democrats and shovel money towards their donors and we all love elitist, arrogant, Ivy League clown acts like Barack Obama telling us how to live our lives.

At least that’s how the country voted. The way things are going, we’ll all soon be assigned our own personal nanny bureaucrat.

NoDonkey on December 16, 2008 at 10:10 AM

“Raising the price of this liquid candy will put children and teens on a path to a healthier diet,” said Elie Ward of the American Academy of Pediatrics of New York State.

Once again, liberals make it “about the kids” to create some moral crisis that will “require” government intervention. Arrrggghhhh! Need more coffee….

LastRick on December 16, 2008 at 10:11 AM

I can remember when many people like ME warned about allowing our elected officials enacting STUPID bans on Cigarettes… We said that it would lead to more and more intrusive and absurd ruels and regs and bans… I was YELLED down by many people, even some non-smoking Conservative advocates… They said I was over-reacting and that it was JUST SMOKING… ROFL! Idiots, who has the last laugh now? We have trans fats bans, fat taxes, oppressive cigarette rules, bans in resturants, where and what we can and can’t do… more and more Gov involvment in personl decisions, LESS AND LESS FREEDOMS! Anyone out there still want ot call me paranoid? Anyone want to defend this crap being forced down our throats? What’s next? The slippery slope I warned about is getting steeper and NO ONE IS FIGHTING BACK!

Mark Garnett on December 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM

I’ll just buy less,” said Victor Lopez, 55, of Manhattan, as he drank a Coke at a midtown Subway store.

said the first sheep

“I don’t like to buy Diet Coke,” said Amaury Garcia, 16, who works at a flower shop in Penn Station. “I’ll just not buy any sodas if it goes up.”

said the second sheep

The Democratic governor will not call for a broad-based income tax boost, but he will push to restore the sales tax on clothing and footwear.

The governor needs no clothes

Raising the price of this liquid candy will put children and teens on a path to a healthier diet,” said Elie Ward of the American Academy of Pediatrics of New York State.

said the self appointed sheep master

Paterson also hopes to make it easier for people to enroll in Medicaid by eliminating face-to-face interviews and fingerprinting requirements.

He can’t see them anyway

When people become sheep, you feed them what you want to feed them, you corral and pacify them, and as needed you skin them alive for their assets including any wealth that might be hidden behind the kidneys or in their fat

entagor on December 16, 2008 at 10:18 AM

What’s to keep the vendors from heading to NJ, buying the soda there for cheaper and then hawking them in NY for less than everyone else. New York’s finest will spend its time cracking down on the cooler coolies?

Bishop on December 16, 2008 at 10:04 AM

I was explaining the Caroline Kennedy thing to my kids last night, and told them how the family fortune was derived by bootlegging alcohol. I said we would be as rich as the Kennedys and that I would buy my daughter a Senate seat someday? How? I would drive a few miles to Connecticut or NJ and buy sugared soda to sell on the black market here in NY. I might even get some Ho-hos with hydrogenated fats. We may be as fat as the Pillsbury dough boy, but we’ll be rolling in the dough as well.

btw, for years, NYC would target and surveil shoppers with NY plates parked at nearby NJ malls. They were going there to avoid NY’s ridiculously high sales tax.

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Public health advocates welcomed news of the tax, saying it would help the fight against childhood obesity.

Everywhere you look…fat kids, dropping dead on the street.

The horror!

whitetop on December 16, 2008 at 10:20 AM

Note to Patterson:

How about a huge tax increases on hotels that accept guests for very short stays, without luggage?

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Sounds like a good idea to me. Our country is fat and that fatness is a drag on the healthcare system, increasing costs and premiums for everyone else. Sure you have a right to get fat and gross, but you don’t have a right to do it cheaply. It’s not a matter of “freedom” for fatty food to be cheaper than healthier options. There are people with actually legitemate claims of discrimination in this world.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Right, because every fat person is fat from drinking regular soda. Diet soda has been linked to a lack of wieght loss, and even weight gain. But no, let’s slap a tax on soda to get some money from those stupid fatties, right? Because that’ll solve everything.

I need to lose about 100 pounds, but that’s my responsibility. Nobody else’s, and especially not the government’s.

Anna on December 16, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Public health advocates welcomed news of the tax, saying it would help the fight against childhood obesity.
Everywhere you look…fat kids, dropping dead on the street.

The horror!

whitetop on December 16, 2008 at 10:20 AM

… from gang and drug violence! And our future POTUS “organized” the mean streets in Chicago! Wow, do I have confidence now that he can solve all our issues!

Mark Garnett on December 16, 2008 at 10:24 AM

the critical mass where those who depend on Government for employment or benefits outnumber productive folks. If that ever happens on a national level, we’re finished.

trubble on December 16, 2008 at 9:54 AM

We are very close to it on a national scale. When we do reach the tipping point, I don’t want to be anywhere near any urban area. The riots and burning will start there and fan outwards to the suburbs. Rural America is where you will find a semblance of safety, as long as you arm yourself and can provide yourself with food and shelter.

The mindless electorate has finally been able to put all their dreams into action. Come January 20, 2009 we will usher in a new old deal and with the new promise of a ‘green’ car in every garage, free medical care and a check every month we will see the fruits of our founding fathers finally be turner under.

Good luck everyone, you’re going to need it!

belad on December 16, 2008 at 10:25 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on December 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Here’s an idea. Why not make all “nonhealthy foods illegal? That would certainly eliminate the need for increased taxes to support Medicare, right? One could even force grocery stores to only stock certain brands, or maybe even just one brand. It would just need some stringent central planning. I’m sure something similar has been done before somewhere.

a capella on December 16, 2008 at 10:26 AM

Sounds like a good idea to me. Our country is fat and that fatness is a drag on the health care system, increasing costs and premiums for everyone else. Sure you have a right to get fat and gross, but you don’t have a right to do it cheaply. It’s not a matter of “freedom” for fatty food to be cheaper than healthier options. There are people with actually legitimate claims of discrimination in this world.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM

So you’re in favor of the government using taxes to change behavior?

What’s next? A tax hike for people who don’t workout regularly?

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 10:26 AM

A good way to raise taxes while distracting people by supposedly caring about their health… I can see a black market in soda developing.

krl on December 16, 2008 at 10:28 AM

As a former downstate New Yaaaker, my guess is most in NY won’t even notice this latest ’sugar tax’ on their sodas?   NY has had a 5 cent per/ deposit on soda for eons and this new ‘expense’ isn’t going to faze the sheeple.   My guess is the vendors will be loving this since they will just jack the price of a can of soda across the board regardless of whether there is sugar content or NOT?

martywd on December 16, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Diet soda is pure poison. Its worse than regular soda.

Our city is broke and now Bloomberg wants to reduce our salt intake as well.

He spends millions on bike lanes that crown our streets and eliminates precious parking space while shutting down firehouses. The bicyclers don’t even observe the traffic laws.

They want to turn NYC into a playground that they can nanny like hovering smothering overlords.

Urban Infidel on December 16, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Since when did that become the responsibility of government?

Since you all sat by while they raised taxes on cigarettes, time after time. Not only sat by, but started parroting their anti-smoker rhetoric, until most of the country was so habituated that they inserted it into every reference. Like this:

“Not that I approve of smoking”

or this:

“Now I’m not defending cigarettes”

So even when people stuck up for us, they got in the habit of adding in disclaimers that let their audience know how unworthy we were of their defense. Imagine the same campaign turned on gun owners – “I’m not defending people who choose to own guns – obviously you’d have to be stupid or have a death wish to buy one – but they do have a constitutional right to do it.”. How does that one sound?

As the taxes crept up, the “nasty habit” phrases were tacked on so reflexively that they became suffixes rather that separate thoughts, until no one could think or talk about smoking or cigarettes without the required thought bubbles included, and any diatribe in defense of smokers contained as much condemnation as defense.

Here’s my new mantra, so you can all have a taste of how ugly you sound to me when you repeat their agendas for them.

Now, I’m not a coke drinker, and I don’t really understand why someone would consider pouring that sugary acid stuff into their bodies, but they have a right to drink what they want, no matter how bad it is for them, without having to pay extra taxes. I guess if it makes them obese then it does add to the cost of their medical care, so maybe if they put the taxes into a medical fund for when the fatties have heart attacks. They’re not obese now, but we know that consuming high calorie foods will make them fat eventually – each one of those cokes is a nail in their coffin. Not to mention the horrible smell from their belching. Why do they have to drink that stuff where other people have to hear and smell them belching that CO2 up into our atmosphere. All that gas comes out of them, one way or another, and it’s no better than the methane a herd of cows puts out. I mean, they’re pigs, sure, but I don’t think taxes are the answer…

ral514 on December 16, 2008 at 10:32 AM

The cool thing about this tax is that it affects everyone equally — as do all sales taxes. If we are going to have bloated government, at least let it float on the backs of the poor as well as the rich.

Unlike cigarettes, sugar is a nutrient and only affects people who overuse it, not everyone who uses it. Even diabetics need some sugar, and when they need sugar, they need it quickly — and 6 oz. of soda is one of the standards for diabetics. So NY State may want to give an exemption from the soda tax to diabetics. And, while they’re at it, since this is an obesity tax, they might want to define what “obese” is and tax just those people who are guilty of it.

Just dreaming…

unclesmrgol on December 16, 2008 at 10:33 AM

This is terrible considering that DIET SODAS are even worse for you in the long run, filled with chemicals called artificial sweeteners that are reputed to be VERY dangerous. I won’t touch Nutrasweet or Acesulfame (sp?) Potassium. Splenda/Sucralose is/are marginally better but still not totally proven safe for the long haul.

worlok on December 16, 2008 at 10:33 AM

I cant wait to pay more for coke at school. f’ing a.

worlok on December 16, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Exactly.

And the diets make you crave carbs more, so it is counter intuitive.

blatantblue on December 16, 2008 at 10:35 AM

I can see a black market in soda developing.

krl on December 16, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Just wait until Barry tries to tax ammunition out of reach. It’ll make the War on Drugs look tame. Red Dot and TiteGroup will become common household words. The price of scrap lead will skyrocket. Primers are light and easily concealable

a capella on December 16, 2008 at 10:37 AM

So even when people stuck up for us, they got in the habit of adding in disclaimers that let their audience know how unworthy we were of their defense. Imagine the same campaign turned on gun owners – “I’m not defending people who choose to own guns – obviously you’d have to be stupid or have a death wish to buy one – but they do have a constitutional right to do it.”. How does that one sound?

ral514 on December 16, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Obviously you’re bitter that smokers have become near outcasts in society (and I sympathize, sincerely), but there’s nothing at all redeeming about smoking tobacco.

To pretend otherwise is to lie. It is a nasty habit. If you’ve been smoking for years, then surely each morning when you’re coughing up a lung it’s obvious to you how much harm you’ve done to your body. No one wants to defend this habit, because while it is a right that you have, it isn’t one we want others to copy at all.

Sugar and caffeine, on the other hand, do provide benefits to those who consume it in small quantities. Our bodies actually need some sugar, and there’s no reason to believe drinking Coke will make anyone fat of its own accord.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 10:43 AM

How do you apply this tax on fountian drinks? Especially self-serve fountain drinks?

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM

We are all so fortunate for the people who work in government jobs. They are unique and special in their insight and intelligence. They alone have all the wisdom and I for one,, am just so glad they watch over us and care so much.

JellyToast on December 16, 2008 at 10:45 AM

why does anyone think the urban areas will riot? with a 30% increase in welfare, without a face-to-face interview application process, everyone in the urban areas will be happy, happy.

kelley in virginia on December 16, 2008 at 10:45 AM

The people of New York keep voting corrupt and incompetent Democrats into office, so this is what they get.

Democrats will weasel themselves into every facet of your life if we give them a chance by electing, they will stop at nothing.

NoDonkey on December 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM

and the people in urban areas can have guns, too. they have all sorts of guns that i had to go thru a background check for. and pay $400 for.

kelley in virginia on December 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM

and everyone thought paterson was better than spitzer. ha

kelley in virginia on December 16, 2008 at 10:47 AM

btw, for years, NYC would target and surveil shoppers with NY plates parked at nearby NJ malls. They were going there to avoid NY’s ridiculously high sales tax.

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Here, the state patrol has occasional spasms of doing traffic stops on cars leaving the Indian reservations checking for untaxed cigarettes. Meanwhile, the meth labs purr on in other areas.

a capella on December 16, 2008 at 10:48 AM

I smell a corn subsidy in this for Harkin.

Just saying.

Think about ithigher taxes on “sugar” sodas

could very well = more sales of “diet” sodas

most of the “diet” part of the soda is a “corn-based” flavor

– look it up!

Just another “taxpayer grab.”

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 10:48 AM

Crosseyed and painless.

Jaibones on December 16, 2008 at 10:48 AM

He’s also planning on putting taxes on cigarettes that are sold at Indian reservations. They’re going to love that.

pt on December 16, 2008 at 10:48 AM

Western New York has reached the critical mass where those who depend on Government for employment or benefits outnumber productive folks. If that ever happens on a national level, we’re finished.

trubble on December 16, 2008 at 9:54 AM

According to the IRS, the top 50% of wage earners pay over 90% of income taxes.

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 10:48 AM

The best way to balance the budget in New York would be to impose a stupidity tax.

JammieWearingFool on December 16, 2008 at 9:49 AM

I’ll GIVE you the address of my mother – in – law and you can make her pay up for her stupidity A.S.A.P.

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Doesn’t diet soda have more caffeine in it than regular soda?

pt on December 16, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Right, because every fat person is fat from drinking regular soda. Diet soda has been linked to a lack of wieght loss, and even weight gain. But no, let’s slap a tax on soda to get some money from those stupid fatties, right? Because that’ll solve everything.

I need to lose about 100 pounds, but that’s my responsibility. Nobody else’s, and especially not the government’s.

Anna on December 16, 2008 at 10:23 AM

How long until regular excercise becomes a mandate, with govt agents checking your health club membership to make sure that you went the required number of times?

(They said I was paranoid when I predicted govt agents taxing fatty foods.)

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 10:57 AM

I’m so ready to leave NY for another state. All I need now is a job, and I’d be set. Tech Support Technician for Hire. Have Mac, will travel!

DakRoland on December 16, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Ed,

This might be slightly off topic, but I heard on one of the America Right (XM Radio) talk shows yesterday that Coca Cola has been having an ongoing battle with the eco-nazis about the amount of C02 being expelled from their sodas whenever a bottle is opened and during the manufacturing process.

Soon to be heard at a city near you!

“Hey! Stop breathing so hard, you’re contributing to Global Warming(tm)!”

“Don’t drink Coke, sugar makes you fat!”

“Don’t drink Coke, its a leading contributor to Global Warming(tm)!”

After the coal and petroleum companies, it will be the soda makers…greedy capitalists, expelling harmful greenhouse gases, sugary drinks fattening the human population….
Forget personal responsibility, forget about thinking for yourself, the nanny state and their brown-shirt ecos will rule your every thought and action.

BTW, you posted a link to that Shep interview? On the same site, they have a much more interesting interview with Clint Eastwood in which he expounds upon the “pussy generation”. A more interesting read that Shep’s I can tell you that.

Geministorm on December 16, 2008 at 10:57 AM

He wants to reinstitute the sales tax on clothing and shoes, while increasing welfare payments 30%

Am I the only one on this board who does not recognize America nor the dream of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. or other great men and women who loved America when we were kids.

Am I dating myself.

Anyone who wants to spend exclusively, and freely, spend their careers around “superior intellectuals” who are 17-23 ever 4 years; seems a bit demented to me. Think: The Churchill “fake Native American” prof; or Bill Ayers or other “wannabees.”

I can’t believe the volunteer staff of the Carter Campaign in 1980 or on Edward Kennedy’s side are the people running this country….

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 10:58 AM

He wants to reinstitute the sales tax on clothing and shoes, while increasing welfare payments 30%, making it easier to qualify for Medicaid and expanding the Family Health Plus program

-Um, why exactly? Isn’t NY already a welfare haven?

-As to the pop tax (yes, I’m not from around here) – what happens if in 20 years we find out that artificial sweeteners really do cause brain cancer or some other ailment? – NY will be sued for billions, since this idiot tax “forced” people to drink the diet stuff!

holdfast on December 16, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Shouldn’t you be getting a tax refund for buying diet pop then?

andycanuck on December 16, 2008 at 10:59 AM

I’ve figured it out now.

The liberals have been destroying the family for decades since replacing dad with a welfare check.

The libs attack every tradition started by families, carried out by families and enhanced by families.

Once they finally kill off every tradition and create millions of dysfunctional families, they can step in and control it all (for a small fee, well, millions of small fees).

Guess what, my kids didn’t drink soda … wait for it … because I wouldn’t let them.

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 10:48 AM

The sugar sodas are all corn-based. Personally I’d pay extra for soda sweetened with real sugar instead of that high fructose corn syrup crap. As it is, I drink diet anyway, I ‘ve just grown used to the taste, regular cola seems to leave a residue in my mouth.

Does this apply to “energy” drinks, too? There is a gold mine for the state. Hell, make it 50%, anyone dumb enough to spend $2 for half a can of soda won’t care.

reaganaut on December 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 10:57 AM

And they’re going to pay for that membership, right? The day my government starts mandating my exercise habits is the day I leave. I exercise because I want to, and I do it more freely than I did when I was active duty and I had to.

Anna on December 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Sounds like a good idea to me. Our country is fat and that fatness is a drag on the healthcare system, increasing costs and premiums for everyone else. Sure you have a right to get fat and gross, but you don’t have a right to do it cheaply. It’s not a matter of “freedom” for fatty food to be cheaper than healthier options. There are people with actually legitemate claims of discrimination in this world.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM

“DeathToMediaHacks” – no offense, but are you really this big of a brown-noser to your DU monitor? LOL

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Patterson is deaf blind and dumb.

Jed1899 on December 16, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Oh, how I wish Rudy would run for Govenor.

He’s the only New York politician I can think of who would have any chance of repealing some of these ridiculous laws.

ITmonkey on December 16, 2008 at 11:04 AM

Meanwhile, the meth labs purr on in other areas. Nero fiddles while Rome burns.

The meth thing seems to be a rural phenomenon. It’s so sad that no place seems to be immune from the breakdown of society. I blame TV, and mass communication in general, for filling the spectrum with the lowest of the low. Nobody is immune, because understandably, few want to give up the modern conveniences. My kids don’t watch TV. They sure catch hell in school over that.

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 11:06 AM

This is just another example: if anybody down here in Georgia proposed the state have an obesity tax, he’d be laughed at everywhere from Buckhead mansions to Augusta tenements.

radjah shelduck on December 16, 2008 at 10:03 AM

+1

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Oh, how I wish Rudy would run for Govenor.

He’s the only New York politician I can think of who would have any chance of repealing some of these ridiculous laws.

ITmonkey on December 16, 2008 at 11:04 AM

I like Rudy. I would have voted for him for Pres.–he’s tough on terrorists. And I’d take him as Governor. But in that job, he wouldn’t have to run or govern from the right,and I’m not sure that’s his natural inclination anyway. He’s an authoritarian, (at least that’s how he struck me as mayor), but only on some few issues he’s passionate about. Not sure what he’d make of the soda wars and such.

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 11:10 AM

How do you apply this tax on fountian drinks? Especially self-serve fountain drinks?

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM

They could tax the syrup, but your right that the consumers won’t be able to see the tax. It could have some odd results.

I really don’t have a problem with this kind of thing, provided it is done with majority approval. Don’t expect it to give you any more revenue, though.

Count to 10 on December 16, 2008 at 11:11 AM

There are millions, such as myself, who cannot drink diet drinks because they contain ASPARTAME which causes Migraine headaches.

Several years ago the FDA warned consumers about it.

As for New York state – it’s just another tax scam.

Paterson and Bloomberg could care less about peoples health, it’s their wallets they’re after.

pocomoco on December 16, 2008 at 11:11 AM

The way things are going, we’ll all soon be assigned our own personal nanny bureaucrat.

NoDonkey on December 16, 2008 at 10:10 AM

I’d like to name own personal nanny bureucrat “Rolfy”
in homage to The Lives of Others

K?

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 11:12 AM

This is just another example: if anybody down here in Georgia proposed the state have an obesity tax, he’d be laughed at everywhere from Buckhead mansions to Augusta tenements.

radjah shelduck on December 16, 2008 at 10:03 AM

A recent WSJ article on the charms of Athens,Ga prompted me to do some research, of the red/blue variety. GA may have been a solid win for McCain, but it has strong pockets of blue–Metro Atlanta, Athens, Augusta area, Savannah area, and Columbus and south.

So while they may be laughing now, I’m afraid to tell you it seems the virus has spread to your state. Load up on sugared pop.

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 11:13 AM

why does anyone think the urban areas will riot? with a 30% increase in welfare, without a face-to-face interview application process, everyone in the urban areas will be happy, happy.

kelley in virginia on December 16, 2008 at 10:45 AM

They will riot when govt has to start cutting back on the freebies because there no longer enough productive people left to pay for them.

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM

“I’d like to name own personal nanny bureucrat “Rolfy”
in homage to The Lives of Others”

Sounds good.

I’m toying with “beerfetcher”, “magazine reloader”, “punchcatcher” or “footstool”.

NoDonkey on December 16, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Note to Patterson:

How about a huge tax increases on hotels that accept guests for very short stays, without luggage?

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 10:22 AM

I think I can safely say that Silda Spitzer would champion that tax increase..

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Am I dating myself.

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 10:58 AM

I’m sure you won’t be able to do that much longer either.

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 11:18 AM

So would Mrs. Patterson (wink)

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 11:19 AM

The sugar sodas are all corn-based. Personally I’d pay extra for soda sweetened with real sugar instead of that high fructose corn syrup crap.

reaganaut on December 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Sugar is expensive because the govt forbids the importing of cheap foreign sugar. Last time I checked, sugar on the international markets is about 1/3rd the US price. It’s kept high by the sugar grower and corn grower lobbies.

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Oh, how I wish Rudy would run for Govenor.

He’s the only New York politician I can think of who would have any chance of repealing some of these ridiculous laws.

ITmonkey on December 16, 2008 at 11:04 AM

What makes you think he would want to?

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Cola being banned…next thing you know they will ban Hookers for politicians…
I grew up drinking Cola, I probably drank 32 oz. a day, a a suspect diet at best…what did that do to me?
Well, I was a top ranked national swimmer, All-American, just missed being on the water polo olympic team, and am now a nationally ranked senior tennis player.
Not to say this for brags, but it all depends on other things besides “Cola”.
Maybe most (not all) of the “obese” kids are that way because they sit on their fat *ss all day…

right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 11:23 AM

I really don’t have a problem with this kind of thing, provided it is done with majority approval. Don’t expect it to give you any more revenue, though.

Count to 10 on December 16, 2008 at 11:11 AM

What other liberties are you willing to give up, so long as the majority approves?

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 11:24 AM

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 11:24 AM

We’ve already given up the right to refuse service that way…

Dark-Star on December 16, 2008 at 11:25 AM

I’m so ready to leave NY for another state. All I need now is a job, and I’d be set. Tech Support Technician for Hire. Have Mac, will travel!

DakRoland on December 16, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Come to Dallas. There are plenty of tech jobs here.

Esthier on December 16, 2008 at 11:27 AM

I can remember when many people like ME warned about allowing our elected officials enacting STUPID bans on Cigarettes… We said that it would lead to more and more intrusive and absurd ruels and regs and bans… I was YELLED down by many people, even some non-smoking Conservative advocates… They said I was over-reacting and that it was JUST SMOKING… ROFL! Idiots, who has the last laugh now? We have trans fats bans, fat taxes, oppressive cigarette rules, bans in resturants, where and what we can and can’t do… more and more Gov involvment in personl decisions, LESS AND LESS FREEDOMS! Anyone out there still want ot call me paranoid? Anyone want to defend this crap being forced down our throats? What’s next? The slippery slope I warned about is getting steeper and NO ONE IS FIGHTING BACK!

Mark Garnett on December 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Welcome to Club Paranoid.
I get the same crap and always told to put the tinfoil hat back on. I got it for saying that Global Warming was a hoax, that nothing would stop BO from being elected, That when BO was elected that suddenly the War would be won, Gitmo would be just ok, and waterboarding wouldn’t be that harsh. Looks like I was wrong about all that stuff right folks? How about my paranoid delusion about voter fraud? You folks were right about me being paranoid because according to libs this was the cleanest election we have ever had.

OT
You any releation to Chuck and Joanne in MA?

jmarcure on December 16, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 10:48 AM

The sugar sodas are all corn-based. Personally I’d pay extra for soda sweetened with real sugar instead of that high fructose corn syrup crap.
reaganaut on December 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM

You are correct, reaganaut; I just like to get a dig into Tom Harkin when corn-based products come into discussion since he has been pushing corn his whole career like a “ShamWow” poseur, and do so at the liberty of others.

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Raise welfare by 30%? I tell you, these Dems are on a full court press to create a permanent banana republic. They might just do it, too.

PattyJ on December 16, 2008 at 11:36 AM

So while they may be laughing now, I’m afraid to tell you it seems the virus has spread to your state. Load up on sugared pop.

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 11:13 AM

I’ll agree with you about the “areas of blue” in Georgia Red; but we have 3-4 conservatives incoming with about 1-2 “Emory/Liberal Types” leaving because; and I quote, “There is no theatre scene in Atlanta.” To me, that proves there is a G-d. We have our ways of keeping hippies in line in the peach state…

:)

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Oh, how I wish Rudy would run for Govenor.

He’s the only New York politician I can think of who would have any chance of repealing some of these ridiculous laws.

ITmonkey on December 16, 2008 at 11:04 AM

What makes you think he would want to?

MarkTheGreat on December 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM

My thought is the only reason he runs for Govenor is because he want’s a second run at the presidency. He would need a sound byte for his campaign like “since elected Govenor, I cut taxes 27 times.” Taxes like this one would be easiest to cut, IMHO.

It’s a wild assumption, I know. But, being a conservative in NY can lead you to some desperate speculation.

ITmonkey on December 16, 2008 at 11:39 AM

I’m toying with “beerfetcher”, “magazine reloader”, “punchcatcher” or “footstool”.

NoDonkey on December 16, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Holy Cow! ROFL!!!

p.s. How about “Javelin Catcher” (j/k)

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Maybe most (not all) of the “obese” kids are that way because they sit on their fat *ss all day…

right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Don’t go all logical, r2b, the politicians will not be able to keep up with the rest of us “second class” minds citizens.

LOL

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Branch Rickey on December 16, 2008 at 11:37 AM

In that case, my reconnaissance trip is back on!

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 11:48 AM

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