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Newt to RNC: Yank the Obama/Blago attack ad

posted at 2:13 pm on December 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Good lord — he’s out-mavericked Maverick. Via Market Watch:

I was saddened to learn that at a time of national trial, when a president-elect is preparing to take office in the midst of the worst financial crisis in over seventy years, that the Republican National Committee is engaged in the sort of negative, attack politics that the voters rejected in the 2006 and 2008 election cycles.

The recent web advertisement, “Questions Remain,” is a destructive distraction. Clearly, we should insist that all taped communications regarding the Senate seat should be made public. However, that should be a matter of public policy, not an excuse for political attack.

In a time when America is facing real challenges, Republicans should be working to help the incoming President succeed in meeting them, regardless of his Party.

From now until the inaugural, Republicans should be offering to help the President-elect prepare to take office.

Furthermore, once President Obama takes office, Republicans should be eager to work with him when he is right, and, when he is wrong, offer a better solution, instead of just opposing him.

This is the only way the Republican Party will become known as the “better solutions” party, not just an opposition party. And this is the only way Republicans will ever regain the trust of the voters to return to the majority.

This ad is a terrible signal to be sending about both the goals of the Republican Party in the midst of the nation’s troubled economic times and about whether we have actually learned anything from the defeats of 2006 and 2008.

The RNC should pull the ad down immediately.

Interestingly, he seems as worried that the ad might work and end up kneecapping Obama than that it won’t and will explode in the GOP’s face. No need to fret, if so: The One’s approval rating has been rock steady for the past two weeks, with fully 68 percent confident in his ability to be a good president, near his all-time high. Exit question: Why not just hold the ad back until we know for a fact someone’s done something wrong?


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Well hold on here – if someone wants to complain that the RNC ad wasn’t good, or tactically or as part of a larger strategy it wasn’t the right move, that’s fine.

But saying that you shouldn’t criticize Obama because he’s going to be President during a time of national crisis is BS. The Democrats have been screaming at the top of their lungs for the past 8 years and have totally dominated the country as a result.

It’s time the Republicans play scorched earth as well. The Democrats learned from the Republicans and we have failed to remember the past.

Tabris on December 16, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Count to 10 on December 16, 2008 at 3:12 PM

To be on OFFENSE!

Mark Garnett on December 16, 2008 at 3:13 PM

Some times I think Newt likes to hear himself talk, He sure loves the limelight.

KBird on December 16, 2008 at 3:10 PM

He and Dick Morris may have been separated at birth.

MB4 on December 16, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Gingrich is absolutely right on this.
Tom_Shipley on December 16, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Nope, if Obama taught the Republicans anything it’s politics democrat style is cold and ruthless. The tougher you hit the harder it is for opponent to fight back. Especially if your opponent is a weak kneed soft pedaling old time insider Republican.

Exposing the Chicago machine is important and exposing Obama’s close ties to it is vital.

Face it Newt is about selling book now. I’m not buying.

Frankly I’m getting a bit sick of this Obama love coming from these old time Republicans.

FireBlogger on December 16, 2008 at 3:16 PM

They don’t really do what people think they do.

IlikedAUH2O on December 16, 2008 at 3:10 PM

I’ve seen plenty of films/documentaries which prove/disprove the myths and misconceptions, or reality about them. I stand by my statement :)

Entelechy on December 16, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Pointing out the foibles of the democrats is absolutely necessary. The drip-drip-drip of that faucet needs to keep going and break the peacefulness of the night. Never let up!! People need to be reminded that their country is being run by a bunch of narcissistic crooks; the media is not going to do any investigative reporting – they’re going by instinct.

Watch…come 1/20, the narrative changes from despair to hope, stagnation to change, darkness to light. Blah, blah, blah.

pt on December 16, 2008 at 3:17 PM

Look playing nice got us nothing. Literally.
So let’s rip a page from the libs, and kneecap Obama. The more the scandal goes on the worse for him it gets. Add in all the Clintoniods running around and their sorid history, and we can really paint him with the sleeze-ball Chicago politician brush.

Iblis on December 16, 2008 at 3:19 PM

Tom Shipley–Please don’t walk away now from Ameripundit’s response to your comment. Yes, your man won. To a certain extent, that does close the book on what the majority of Americans want, and about what they think about Obama, for now at least. But that doesn’t excuse you from owning up to the realities of what the Dem. opposition has been from the get go in re. George Bush. I rarely, if ever, agree with your point of view, but I don’t usually think you are disingenuous. This time is an exception.

A) Yes, the point is to undermine the public’s trust in Obama. Welcome to politics. Just as Democrats spent years attacking Bush in order to undermine the public’s trust in him. It worked.

B) Oh, Obama “promised”? Thank God. Because I’m pretty sure Blagojevich’s oath of office indicated that he’d try to sell Illinois’ Senate seat. We all know that politicians’ promises are never broken.

C) Since when are Democrats opposed to slamming a President at the time of a crisis? We’re in a financial crisis now and Democrats haven’t hesitated a moment to attack the sitting President. Get off your high horse.

amerpundit on December 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM

JiangxiDad on December 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM

But saying that you shouldn’t criticize Obama because he’s going to be President during a time of national crisis is BS.

Tabris on December 16, 2008 at 3:12 PM

I agree with you there, to a point.

I’m not sure I would be inclined to attack Obama on something that is basically about “dirty politics” after he assumes office and if we were in a full-on Depression or were in the midst of responding to a military crisis.

Right now Obama is not president, so there is no “danger” in “distracting” him. I just think that the political pressure would be much more effective if they came from someone like Governor Jindal or other Republican with a reputation as an anti-corruption type, rather than from a partisan organization.

Y-not on December 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Rezko chirps…and chirps…and sings…and some arses are running scared. I can’t wait for the next chapter in this ‘book’.

Entelechy on December 16, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Newt Gingrich has forgotten how the GOP took the House and the Senate in 1994. He was blaming the Dims for the deaths of two small boys in SC. He blamed the Dims for everything no matter how preposterous. He never stopped dropping bombs.

As a matter of fact John McCain, and others were known when they were in the House as the back bench bombers for constantly attacking. They have all forgotten what got them there and how to stay there.

Jdripper on December 16, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Take the gloves off and Just Say No to; Compassionate Conservatism
When it comes to the lying liberals, I’m fresh out of compassion.

Done That on December 16, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Distract him from WHAT ??

He’s not the President: He’s a corrupt Chicago machine pol who got more votes than Maverick, although almost half of the adults in America did not vote for either fool

When Gingrich is Good, he’s very very Good; when he’s a jerk, he’s very painful to watch. He had a real chance to revive the Republican Party in 1995-6 and de-rail Clinton, but got lost in petty squabbles about where he was seated on Air Force One, etc

Janos Hunyadi on December 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Newt needs to STFU. If the RNC does nothing then The Black Caesar will know he has the green light to trample the Constitution. The RNC needs to keep kicking them in the throat and not let up.

If Newt does not understand that he needs to step-aside and go back to his inside the beltway friends.

grdred944 on December 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Entelechy — Lemmings kill themselves.

Huh? I have been nailed and ridiculed for believing that. The film was apparently a fake with a cameraman chasing the poor creatures.

“Lemmings do not commit mass suicide. It’s a myth, but it’s remarkable how many people believe it. Ask a few.

‘It’s a complete urban legend,’ said state wildlife biologist Thomas McDonough. ‘I think it blew out of proportion based on a Disney documentary in the ’50s, and that brought it to the mainstream.’

Lemmings are a kind of short tailed vole, a mouse-like rodent that favors tundra and open grasslands. Three kinds are found in Alaska, including the collared lemming, the only rodent that turns white in winter.”

From Alaska Fish and Wildlife News, Riley Woodford, Diseny Film Faked Behavior

http://www.wildlifenews.alaska.gov./index.cfm?adfg=wildlife_news.view_articles&issue_id=6&articles_id=56

IlikedAUH2O on December 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM

It’s one thing to respect the office of the President, and to accept the results of a legitimate election. It is quite another to be obsequious in the face of legitimate concerns, in which our rights to free speech must be squelched in favor of keeping an imaginary peace.

Jefferson would beg to differ with the former Speaker.

manwithblackhat on December 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM

“My ass prints on the couch next to Pelosi’s are still warm!”

Newt Gingrich

chunderroad on December 16, 2008 at 4:07 PM

I have to agree with Newt. The first thing I thought when viewing the ad was “what’s the Republican solution?” This is the same message that bombed for McCain and RNC over the last 3 years.

Most conservatives I know, myself included, don’t think the GOP stands for anything. They can’t be trusted. They only reinforce that by running ad after ad that only slams the other guy without putting forth a consistant positive message.

Of course they have no message because they’re only in it for the money.

Example; I was catching up on Hugh H. and caught David Drier, Hugh’s “conservative” buddy, praising Rep. Jerry Lewis as a “reformer” on earmarks. This is a big lie worthy of J. Goebbels. Yeah, sure, Jerry’s a reformer; he held his 2008 earmark total under $150,000,000.

Top to bottom they’re nearly all the sitting GOP are hypocrits and liars.

rcl on December 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Exposing the Chicago machine is important and exposing Obama’s close ties to it is vital.
FireBlogger on December 16, 2008 at 3:16 PM

The problem is that the GOP ad is goofy and just reeks of sour grapes. It tries too hard and shrieks too loudly and is not effective.

No, the art of bringing Obama down in scandal after scandal is one that must play out slowly… Like sipping a fine wine.

Obama is smart enough NOT to get himself directly connected to too much scandal. There were no inappropriate contacts between Obama’s people and Blago. Maybe Obama wanted nothing to do with Blago’s cheap ass Senate seat selling deal, or maybe Obama had more subtle back-channels for dealing with it. We don’t know. Likewise, when sealed divorce records of BOTH of Obama’s senate opponents in 2003 were revealed at critical moments, nobody could tie that to Obama directly. Maybe Obama had nothing to do with it. Maybe he did.

The point is that unless someone can find real proof that Obama is corrupt, the only way to taint his image is by a nearly continuous link of scandals affecting people close to Obama. First it was Wright. Then Rezko. Now Blago. Next, who will it be? What if there are 5, 6, 7 more of these blowups? It’ll be the equivalent of Bill Clinton’s “bimbo eruptions.”

Outlander on December 16, 2008 at 4:26 PM

the Republican National Committee is engaged in the sort of negative, attack politics that the voters rejected in the 2006 and 2008 election cycles.

No they didn’t reject it Newt. Perhaps you should re-read the election results. All the dems did in 2006 and 2008 was to run negative attacks, and it paid off handsomely. Maybe it’s a good thing you turned down running for RNC chair – you seem to have lost the edge you used to have in the nineties.

Vashta.Nerada on December 16, 2008 at 4:26 PM

The people who’ve posted comments here similar to “Well, Hussein’s our president now. We all need to get on board the Hussein train for the good of the country…” should collectively have their heads examined!

Any true conservative who is a lover of liberty would recognize this historical moment (that is, the eve of elevating Hussein as POTUS) as a coming national crisis! As a free man (until the Constitution is totally trashed by the Dem Jackasses) I reserve the right, nay duty, to shout at the top of my lungs that I DO NOT recognize this corrupt POS gangster from Chitown as MY president anymore than I would accept Adolf Hitler as my Fuhrer if I were a German trapped in Germany in 1933! And THAT, my friends, is not only the winning attitude, but the ONLY one that will save us from the scourge of liberal lunacy that is sweeping this nation today!

blackelkspeaks on December 16, 2008 at 4:27 PM

I honestly don’t know why Newt is still relevant. I can’t get the image of him sitting with Pelosi on the couch, telling us about Global Warming.

macummings on December 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM

The problem is, having no Reagan to guide it, the RNC is now back to being the party of Ford. Go along, get along, compromise, and whatever you do, let’s be genteel about it. Then we’ll have everyone retire to the smoking room for a jolly good time after.

To quote my English friends: BOLLOCKS.

Conservatives feared that if Hillary would have been elected, the ghost of Saul Alinsky would take up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. But thanks to Maverick and his lame campaign (yeah, Mav, way to go with how you took your one moment of unifying the base – the choice of Palin as Veep – and thoroughly destroyed it between the nomination and the election), we got far worse instead: a careful look at Obama’s road to the White House suggests to me that we got a black version of Lenin, schooled in the doublespeak and thuggery of Chicago politics.

Meanwhile, a man who is far past his political expiration date (Newt) complains that the RNC’s halfhearted attempt to “ask questions” is bad because it might look like we aren’t supporting our shiny new President in a tough time.

Again: BOLLOCKS.

Go along to get along political wimps like Maverick and Newt (at least this latest version of Newt, unlike the one we liked back in 1994) seem to be completely blind to the fact that when anyone *does* “ask questions” about Obama, he quickly reacts: first by stonewalling, followed by denial, then finally by tossing the culprit under the proverbial bus. Rather than be upset about Obama’s tried and true pattern here, we should be taking every advantage of it.

Newt, solutions are great. But tell me something: how many people get fired up and motivated by a policy wonk???

Newt trashes “opposition” here. All well and good, *if*, like Dems, that’s the only thing you are about. But Republicans of late have forgotten that the only way to attract the public’s attention to their solutions is to sometimes forcefully oppose the other party. Or put another way: why does negative campaigning work so well, when everyone seems to decry it?

Because it works. It gets people’s attention.

So for God’s sake, RNC, return to your roots and grow a pair. Follow Reagan’s success in taking the argument directly to the people, and do it constantly. Here’s a hint:

Issue: Obama pretends to be about Hope and Change, but in reality, he’s a thug spawned by Daley and Alinsky, someone who leans to the far, far left. While claiming to be open and accountable, practically every choice Obama makes is shrouded in secrecy and tainted by the appearance of poor ethical choices, if not outright illegal behavior.

Opposition: Question *everything* that Obama does, which seems to run contrary to all the promises of openness and accountability that he ran on during the election season. Everything.

Solution: Remind Obama that playing legal wordsmithing games with his promises isn’t necessary if he actually keeps them, and is truly “above” the sleazeball tactics of his party and his base. Make him defend his every choice in the court of public opinion – or else allow him to dump one scapegoat after another, realizing that sometimes being the Opposition means that you eliminate your rivals in a war of attrition, when those rivals at lower levels are the true threat to your ability to enact policy.

Now get out of the damned country club, RNC, and grow a pair!!!

Wanderlust on December 16, 2008 at 4:57 PM

IlikedAUH2O on December 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM

I read all that, and saw documentaries…alone that they are rodents is good enough to compare the libs with them. No need to worry. I got your scientific message, and do believe you, and the other proven facts.

Entelechy on December 16, 2008 at 5:01 PM

Why are (R) the only ones expected to have ethical standards and when they mess up are forced to leave??!!! Why is it other (R) are always providing the cover for the dems and bending over backwards letting them get away with their dirt??!!!
No wonder the dems feel like they can get away with anything, the (R)’s let them!!!
When an (R) is in trouble the dems go for blood. When a dem is in trouble we need to back off and give them a chance.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want this to turn into an impeach him obsession. If there is truely nothing let it go. But, we need to investigate it under the bright light of truth

lwssdd on December 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Bicyea to Newt, “GFY”

Bicyea on December 16, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I agree with Newt. After 8 years of this childish nonsense from the Democrats, I was really hoping to see the Republicans play the role of “grown-up opposition” for a change. So far, this is the Republican equivalent of the Democrats’ attacks of Bush for the Abramoff stuff.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

The number of commenters here who don’t seem to have a clue who Gingrich is (”is he a republican?”) is mind-boggling, and quite sad.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 5:27 PM

want us to run an ad on guys who cheat on their wives instead Newt? take your sanctimonious crap elsewhere Newt…

Kaptain Amerika on December 16, 2008 at 5:28 PM

We need to be as hard as possible on him so that he doesn’t think that he can get away with the same crap he did against McCain(d). Had McCain(d) had any balls he would have called Obama out as a lier and rubbed his face in the truth instead of just going along. I am slightly hopeful that the RINOs will stand up to Obama where they would have just followed McCain(d) down the socialist path.

rgranger on December 16, 2008 at 5:37 PM

No, that would be the only way the GOP would be known as the spineless party. Get out of the way, Newt, we’re finished with Mr. Nice Guy.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 16, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Newt just wants to be Obama’s maverick Global Warming Czar.

He’s lost in his own blather.

profitsbeard on December 16, 2008 at 6:14 PM

I was really hoping to see the Republicans play the role of “grown-up opposition” for a change.

Pointing out the lies and contradictions that the Precedent-Elect has offered as he twists his way through this criminal scandal is as grown-up as it gets. People are nervous because they know that BHO has been lying through his teeth (you’d have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know this) and it hurts to have to look directly at it. They are nervous because they fear the mobs running wild as it becomes clear that the Precedent-Elect is as dirty as they come and hasn’t uttered an honest word about this situation or his involvement in it. This is all the same nervousness exhibited by those who don’t want the SCOTUS to even look at the BC and certify that it is what BHO says it is. People are nervous about the truth, and what the consequences of the truth will be.

So far, this is the Republican equivalent of the Democrats’ attacks of Bush for the Abramoff stuff.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Uh … sure. The explicit sale of the Senate seat of the Precedent-Elect is like the Abramoff case … Not even close. Not even in the same universe.

Find me anything about this video that is incorrect. The RNC cannot be held responsible for the Precedent-Elect’s transparent lies. The fault for that goes to the idiots who voted for him (as he lied his way through the campaign) and those who are trying to deflect criticism of him, now.

BHO plays brinksmanship with our Republic and people are starting to realize that.

progressoverpeace on December 16, 2008 at 6:16 PM

By popular demand!

A) Yes, the point is to undermine the public’s trust in Obama. Welcome to politics. Just as Democrats spent years attacking Bush in order to undermine the public’s trust in him. It worked.

I honestly believe that most of the attacks on Bush at least started with policy disagreement. Honestly, I don’t recall what the political situation prior to 9-11. From what I recall, not much happened controversial or not in his first year or so (well, until 9-11) of his presidency. When 9-11 happened, he gained broad support from Americans. Many Dems in Congress supported him in Iraq, despite a large number of Americans who were against the war.

When it comes down to it, Iraq is what will define Bush’s presidency. And it’s what formed many people’s opinion of him, pro or negative. It’s the most polarizing decision a president has made maybe since the Emancipation Proclamation.

Point is, the daggers really didn’t come out against Bush until he made the decision to invade Iraq. Obama isn’t even president yet, has yet to make one decision in office, and the RNC is in full out attack mode against him. Newt’s right to say that’s wrong.

B) Oh, Obama “promised”? Thank God. Because I’m pretty sure Blagojevich’s oath of office indicated that he’d try to sell Illinois’ Senate seat. We all know that politicians’ promises are never broken.

He promised the review, conducted it and it’s being held up the Fed’s. What else would you want him to do?

C) Since when are Democrats opposed to slamming a President at the time of a crisis? We’re in a financial crisis now and Democrats haven’t hesitated a moment to attack the sitting President. Get off your high horse.

I actually think the Dems are working better with Bush during this economic crisis than the Republicans are.

And thanks, Entelechy. Well said.

Tom_Shipley on December 16, 2008 at 6:17 PM

…yet another pol (although one I usually admire) rushing forward to deny culpability, lest some of the negativity splatter and tarnish their “nice guy” halo….

…the Republican Party…once a party of principle…now, the party which wants to be known as “nicer than Harriet Nelson”…nicer than a nun on ludes….

Puritan1648 on December 16, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Who is left out there that conservatives can turn to?

Pretty darned few, that’s who.

For the most part, just about anyone who constituted the upper echelons of the Republican Party 10 years ago or more, is useless. Forgetaboutit. Really.

Now Newt’s proclaimed his irrelevance. Who’s next?

Only the most recent promising conservatives give signs of hope:

Sarah Palin.
Bobby Jindal.

umm…ummmm….

Help me here, gang…

seanrobins on December 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM

I was really hoping to see the Republicans play the role of “grown-up opposition” for a change.

. . .

So far, this is the Republican equivalent of the Democrats’ attacks of Bush for the Abramoff stuff.

Let’s be honest here for a second…..

(So forgive my terminology….)

But who does this pig think he is???

We are not acting “grown up” because we are trying to hold BHO to account for something that we have every rational reason to believe he is somehow tangled up in?

Riddle me this, Mr. Ex-Speaker:

Has The One given us any reason to believe that he is on the up-and-up on anything?

And, haven’t you learned anything? At least a little bit from John McLame’s a**-whipping? You can’t act like a Lamb and lie down with the Wolves. There is nothing to be gained from being like the Dems, and tryng to be their friends.

And if you think that O’bambi and his cronies will lead us out of the economic crisis (if anly we will walk hand-in-hand with them), then you too have picked up John McCain’s delusions, and you need to get out of this game right now.

seanrobins on December 16, 2008 at 6:30 PM

seanrobins on December 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Let me ask you a question. If Jindal came out in support of what Gingrich has said, would that make him irrelevant too?

As a liberal, I always saw Gingrich as kind of a stalwart conservative, akin to Nixon before he ran in ‘68.

Is a statement like this all it take to have him declared irrelevant?

Tom_Shipley on December 16, 2008 at 6:30 PM

So far, this is the Republican equivalent of the Democrats’ attacks of Bush for the Abramoff stuff.

This, I actually agree with… in the context of Bush. Specifically showing pictures of him shaking hands with Abramoff.

Tom_Shipley on December 16, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Let me ask you a question. If Jindal came out in support of what Gingrich has said, would that make him irrelevant too?

As a liberal, I always saw Gingrich as kind of a stalwart conservative, akin to Nixon before he ran in ‘68.

Is a statement like this all it take to have him declared irrelevant?

Let me see: This is the first time that you’ve come out in support of Newt, right?

Words do mean things, my friend. And, YES… it is Newt’s “statement” that makes him irrelevant. (But this one is certainly not the first. He’s gotten it into his head that he’s somehow above the fray of politics, and become something of an academician.) But clearly, it would be “statements,” yes.

I’m not quite sure what your point is. Newt’s changed quite a bit since he slinked out of Congress, having fallen on that sword that so many Republicans think that need to fall on.

seanrobins on December 16, 2008 at 6:36 PM

So far, this is the Republican equivalent of the Democrats’ attacks of Bush for the Abramoff stuff.

This, I actually agree with… in the context of Bush. Specifically showing pictures of him shaking hands with Abramoff.

how is this like Abramoff?

In the case of Blaggy and Obambi, the ties between him and his people and their people (politically speaking) are enormous. For instance: Blaggy –> Rezko –> Bambi.

This is not a stray photo shaking hands. Not the same. Way not.

seanrobins on December 16, 2008 at 6:38 PM

Let me ask you a question. If Jindal came out in support of what Gingrich has said, would that make him irrelevant too?

Oh, and BTW: Jindal’s not likely to come out with this dopey stuff that Newt has.

seanrobins on December 16, 2008 at 6:40 PM

This is not a stray photo shaking hands.

What is it then? What specifically has Obama done here (or looked like he’s done). And be specific with your charge.

What do you think Obama did that was improper? What evidence is there that he did what you accuse him of?

And I’m talking about the Blagojevich scandal here, not Rezko.

Tom_Shipley on December 16, 2008 at 6:47 PM

Tom_Shipley —

Since I have NO respect for Democrats, much the ilk that trolls around using short nonsensical jabs and quick lies to waste the time and efforts of these many fine minds and hearts on this venue, I shall dispense with your recent insult to logic and good government with a pithy response.

Remember the insane $1.6 Trillion Tax Cut?

On the 39th day of his presidency, Bush unveiled the outline of a budget approaching $2 trillion. It favors education, law enforcement and other popular programs, while curbing growth in NASA, freezing federal contributions to the arts and humanities, and narrowing assistance to the homeless. archives/cnn.com feb 11, 2001

George Bush had a good couple of weeks. Democrats are now in danger of being dazzled by him, even though the man lost the popular vote and has no mandate for his agenda. Democrats are supposed to stand for a whole other public philosophy, remember? It’s time they offered one and fought for it.

http://www.commondreams.org

Gee, no mandate doesn’t sound bery nice. And if you look they were savaging him from day one in other ways. So sell your nonsense elsewhere.

“‘The American people want action on an agenda of economic growth, energy independence, patients’ rights, education, faith-based legislation, all of which are important issues that are stuck in Congress,’ Bush said.”

As the Dems fought President Bush tooth and nail on the Budget. Notice that energy was mentioned. — archives/CNN.com/2001 December 8, 2001

And not one year in office!

IlikedAUH2O on December 16, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Go pee into the wind Newt, and take Tom_Shithead with you.

omnipotent on December 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM

So much for a NewT Direction.. more like a misdirection.

normsrevenge on December 16, 2008 at 7:19 PM

IlikedAUH2O on December 16, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Don’t forget that Bush (via Rumsfeld) was also taking on the DOD, which had withered after the eight year “procurement holiday” and massive infrastructure and manpower cuts made by the Clinton administration (anyone remember “can birds”?).

Bush’s mandate back then, following on his campaign promises, were twofold:

1) Eliminate “humanitarian” military operations as such, since the strategic purpose of such operations was either nonexistent or so lacking in focus as to be unsustainable from the perspective of advancing US national security interests (e.g., the disaster in Somalia and dithering in Bosnia).

2) Eliminate excess spending so that taxpayers could be provided with a significant stimulus similar to the one Reagan did during his first term, while trying to salvage the DOD from eight years of neglect.

The press eviscerated Bush through these efforts from day one, constantly bleating the tome that he had “no mandate” to govern, much less change things. He was positioned in the press as being out of touch with reality and incompetent – following on with the “lazy frat boy” meme the Dems fed the MSM during the election.

Some of Bush’s decisions were very unpopular, as were Rumsfeld’s, but one needs to remember the context of the time: the country was facing a the possibility of a massive recession due to the dot-bomb bust, which had let all the air out of the capital markets; and the staggering costs of salvaging a military infrastructure that had been underfunded and hacked to pieces for the previous eight years, all while having to sustain a very high ops tempo due to Clinton’s plethora of “humanitarian” missions all over the place.

Perhaps a good analogy of the time is this: imagine someone has just sold you a beautiful house, which looks gorgeous and rich on the outside…but when you walk into the front door, you discover that the walls are sagging, carpets are mildewed, and pipes and fixtures have been ripped off the walls. *That* was the condition of our Defense infrastructure when Bush took office in 2001.

I won’t even go into all the snafus left behind by the Gorelick Wall and a CIA that was so leftist as to be openly hostile to the incoming Administration.

Oh, and yes, when Bush took office, Energy was on the front pages, thanks to crappy deregulation in CA that was causing brownouts all over the place – some of which were self-inflicted by the utility companies to maximize spot prices.

By comparison, Bush leaves Obama with a country that is secure from outside threats and the DOD is healthy. If Obama wanted to, he could nix the bailout mania (one of Bush’s greatest failures, IMHO) and steer the country back to economic health by lowering taxes and encouraging investment in the capital markets. But that isn’t what Obama is about, and I believe the sky will sooner turn purple than see the possibility that Obama will become a supply-sider and follow in the footsteps of JFK in that regard.

/sigh

Wanderlust on December 16, 2008 at 7:33 PM

I agree with Newt. After 8 years of this childish nonsense from the Democrats, I was really hoping to see the Republicans play the role of “grown-up opposition” for a change. So far, this is the Republican equivalent of the Democrats’ attacks of Bush for the Abramoff stuff.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

And guess what the result of all that Bush bashing was? The Democrats own Congress and the White House.

This is a contact sport and Newt knows it better than most. It is a shame that he has decided that the best thing he can do for himself at this time is to blow Obama but here we are.

So, to those of you who keep asking about relevance; of course what Gingrich says is relevant. It doesn’t make it right and it certainly will not play well with most Republicans. But it is relevant because there are still too many in the GOP who think it is 1992 and listen to what this fossil has to say.

Newt has been cashing in on his conservative cred for a long time but is smart enough to realize that the real money is in the establishment and Newt loves him some real money.

grdred944 on December 16, 2008 at 7:33 PM

So, Hotair’s comments section, after being on the verge for a year or two, has apparently now crossed into full-fledged batsh*t crazy moonbat-ism.

Have fun jumping to conclusions about an investigation that’s barely even begun and trying to tar the sitting president with it, purely for political gain. There is no intellectual substance in these discussions anymore.

I think that last comment registration period pushed Hotair over the idiocy threshold.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Newt to RNC: Yank the Obama/Blago attack ad.

Me to Newt: Yank yer head out and go away.

drunyan8315 on December 16, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Yes, that’s correct DaveS. Anyone who disagrees with you is a

full-fledged batsh*t crazy moonbat

I have not jumped to any conclusions about this investigation. I am waiting for answers to questions that need to be asked. There is a vast difference between asking questions and expecting answers and “tarring the sitting president for political gain.”

I would think you would take exception to those who are declaring Obama off-base before the investigation is completed. That is, if you were not one of the “full-fledged batsh*t crazy moonbats” who believes that asking questions is an attack…

I’ve seen where reaching across the aisle and pretending we’re “better than the Dems” has gotten us. The gloves need to come off now. No coddling. No holding back from asking the tough questions. Anything else is pure wimpery, and it’s gotten us nowhere for the last 8 years.

JannyMae on December 16, 2008 at 7:58 PM

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM

If it’s now “batsh*t crazy” here, dear Dave, then why not go start your own blog?

You can extol the virtues of the President-Elect on your own blog all you like, and defend his pristine Chicago-like innocence there.

Ah. The voices in my head just told me why you won’t do that: competition. That idea has already been well-plowed by NYT, LAT, BG, CT, ABC, NBC, CBS, AP, and Reuters. So you’d just be one more voice in the choir to Obama’s perpetual holy innocence.

If you don’t like it here, mate, don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya, on your way out.

Wanderlust on December 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM

There is a vast difference between asking questions and expecting answers and “tarring the sitting president for political gain.”

You aren’t asking questions, nor is the RNC. They are playing politics. Asking questions is the job of those who will be conducting the investigation in the coming months, as was the case during the Abramoff investigation and the Plame leak investigation, etc. Basically, you are acting like Democrats.

If it’s now “batsh*t crazy” here, dear Dave, then why not go start your own blog?

Because, luckily, the bloggers here are much, much more intelligent, reasonable, and insightful than you and others who are trying to turn these comments into something resembling the Democratic Underground.

You can extol the virtues of the President-Elect on your own blog all you like, and defend his pristine Chicago-like innocence there.

I’m not even sure what the hell your talking about. Then again, you’re apparently an idiot, so that’s probably to be expected.

(pristine Chicago-like innocence? wtf?)

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:08 PM

I already had watched the ad once. I just went and watched it again.

There are no attacks in that ad. I have to wonder if Newt even watched the ad at all, but if he did watch it, he clearly watched it with a pre-conceived bias.

If expecting questions to be answered is now a “negative attack,” then we are in deep trouble.

JannyMae on December 16, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Gingrich is absolutely right on this.

Tom_Shipley on December 16, 2008 at 2:24 PM

And you comment brings to mind three points:

a. How the f&*# would you know?
2. He might very well be.
and
4. He might be a whiny, misquided RINO, desperately attempting to curry favor among the glitterati, having squandered what looked like an epic career as a conservative opinion shaper and leader for the ages.

Anybody’s guess…

Jaibones on December 16, 2008 at 8:10 PM

your

Jaibones on December 16, 2008 at 8:11 PM

JannyMae on December 16, 2008 at 7:58 PM

The gloves need to come off now. No coddling. No holding back from asking the tough questions.

I know, maybe you should just run around calling him “Barack Hussein Obama” at the top of your lungs… emphasize the “Hussein” bit. That’s definitely the sort of reasoned argument the American people are looking for, and they’ll definitely give us back the house in 2010 if you do that!

The childish enthusiasm for transparently overemphasizing his middle name–and the defense of Bill Cunningham at the time when he did it–marked the beginning of a steep decline toward moonbatism here, in my estimation. Why not return to your roots? Screw the investigation! Scream his middle name for 4 years! The country will love you for it.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:13 PM

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:08 PM

No Dave. You are denying reality. That’s a Democrat tactic. I wonder if you even watched the ad???

Obama is dodging questions. That’s reality. He is not beholden to remain silent for this, ‘investigation.’

He vowed to do his OWN ‘investigation’ and now he’s backtracking on giving the American Public, who have a RIGHT TO KNOW, that information. Not that I would trust that information if he gave it.

Obama has been lying about his contacts with Blago. Whether he did anything wrong in the “selling of the Senate seat” doesn’t negate his lies. Indeed, his lies seem incriminating. If Obama had not lied, I wouldn’t be so suspicious, and if Obama wasn’t refusing to answer questions, then this RNC ad would be unnecessary.

JannyMae on December 16, 2008 at 8:15 PM

JannyMae on December 16, 2008 at 8:15 PM

There is nothing “necessary” about the ad. It is purely political. They should be grownups and let the investigation happen.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:17 PM

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Got any more strawmen you’d like to toss my way, Dave? I have plenty of matches.

Most. Pathetic. Post. Ever.

You are obviously missing the point, and willfully so.

See ya ’round when you’re in the mood to address reality!

JannyMae on December 16, 2008 at 8:18 PM

There is nothing “necessary” about the ad. It is purely political. They should be grownups and let the investigation happen.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:17 PM

That’s funny, I happen to disagree with your opinion. Ain’t life funny that way? That doesn’t make me a batsh*t crazed Moonbat, though. Much as you’d like to characterize anyone who disagrees with you as, “acting like a Democrat,” I can make an equal case for you doing the same. You’re pretending that the, ‘investigation,’ precludes expecting Obama to answer questions. That’s simply false.

But you wouldn’t see it, because your mind is made up, right?

Have a nice evening.

JannyMae on December 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM

JannyMae on December 16, 2008 at 8:18 PM

I was referring to the “collective you”. Back during the Bill Cunningham religion/race-baiting was when the nuts really started crawling out of the woodwork, beginning a transformation that culminated in you and others, today, acting like the most rabid partisan Democrats of the Bush 43 presidency.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Have fun jumping to conclusions about an investigation that’s barely even begun and trying to tar the sitting president with it, purely for political gain.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Couple of problems, there, douche. First, he’s not a sitting President; small technical point, I suppose.

Second, some of us were paying attention during his Illinois Senate and U.S. Senate careers, and know the people whom he palled around with, supported, who were involved in his campaign and whom he has appointed to his coming administration.

For us, playing knob-wench to Obama because he won the election is not among the logical choices.

Jaibones on December 16, 2008 at 8:25 PM

acting like the most rabid partisan Democrats of the Bush 43 presidency

(Sorry to interject myself again, JannyMae, but this is how I roll).

Um, Dave? You might want to do just a wee bit of research on this point. You might be inspired to rethink it.

Jaibones on December 16, 2008 at 8:27 PM

You’re pretending that the, ‘investigation,’ precludes expecting Obama to answer questions. That’s simply false.

You seem to be confused… the RNC is not conducting the investigation. Obama is no more obligated to get into a political cat/mouse PR game of “answering questions” than Bush was when the Dems were parsing every public statement about who may have talked to who about what and when with the Plame stuff.

Again, purely political. I had higher hopes for the Republicans, and I’m going to have a hard time getting excited about supporting them in the future if I see Democrats every time I look at them.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Jaibones on December 16, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Second, some of us were paying attention during his Illinois Senate and U.S. Senate careers, and know the people whom he palled around with, supported, who were involved in his campaign and whom he has appointed to his coming administration.

Well, if you have any actual evidence that Obama was involved in the pay-to-play scandal, I’m all ears. More importantly, though, Fitzgerald et al would probably be interested… you know, the people who’s questions aren’t political and actually matter.

Like Allah said (because he, unlike you guys, has common sense): “Why not just hold the ad back until we know for a fact someone’s done something wrong”?

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Anyone see/hear Mr. Obama, President Elect, the Office of today in his news conference cutting off a reporter who was asking a question………………….?

Was President Bush ever afforded that luxury?

Newt, I believe you have good intentions for the country, but when the American people can’t ask questions or bring up issues they are concerned about, especially when the current President Elect comes out of the biggest political machine built on graft, greed, and corruption…………..

…………….then I think you should go back to American Solutions, and allow us to ask our questions, or display our ads as we have the right to do.

Seven Percent Solution on December 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM

Evidence, schmevidence. You want to give Obama the benefit of doubt while he plays “I’ve Got a Secret” with the press over this, and I don’t. He’s already lied through his teeth about the involvement of the Ballerina, and this is how it goes with him, if you will recall from the past year.

Jaibones on December 16, 2008 at 8:44 PM

The problem is that the GOP ad is goofy and just reeks of sour grapes. It tries too hard and shrieks too loudly and is not effective.

No, the art of bringing Obama down in scandal after scandal is one that must play out slowly… Like sipping a fine wine.

Outlander, I agree. I think the message could be laid out in a way that was more effective. It will be the drip, drip, drip of scandal and questionable associations that will eventually resonate with voters who were enthusiastic to vote for him last month.

Red State State of Mind on December 16, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Red State State of Mind on December 16, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Outlander, I agree. I think the message could be laid out in a way that was more effective. It will be the drip, drip, drip of scandal and questionable associations that will eventually resonate with voters who were enthusiastic to vote for him last month.

EXACTLY. The heavy-handed, partisan shrieking isn’t going to do any good. Let the facts come out as they come out.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:54 PM

What? Obama CAN’T be criticized and run the country at the same time? But he made fun of John McCain for suspending his campaign in the same manner…and rightly so I have to admit.

SouthernGent on December 16, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Kept Private – Newt trying to help RNC

Made Public – Newt trying to help NEWT

huckleberryfriend on December 16, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Dave S may I use your description of posters here, by way of inferral, as “full-fledged batsh*t crazy moonbat(s)” and apply it to myself? Oh, to have a liberal call me names!

You may not believe this but a liberal pointed me out as a Goldwater conservative about 20 years ago and I thanked her. I think she meant it to be an insult.

Even liberals can be kind.

DaveS (”on holding the ad back..” from above) How many examples do you want of Dems launching investigations before they had any facts?

How about even when they knew the Republicans were innocent?

How about checking Pelosi, Fwanf and Reid on the recent mortgage scandal? You don’t think that the rats know who ate the cheese? And they have been calling for investigations. And they had press releases and ads, do you want references?

I am not sure….

Do you feel lucky punk?

IlikedAUH2O on December 16, 2008 at 9:08 PM

From now until the inaugural, Republicans should be offering to help the President-elect prepare to take office.

Furthermore, once President Obama takes office, Republicans should be eager to work with him when he is right, and, when he is wrong, offer a better solution, instead of just opposing him.

At least he wants solutions, not just “who can most expediently channel the spirit of Reagan”. Pass up a cheap shot when people see it.

That’s what can be called class.

sethstorm on December 16, 2008 at 9:22 PM

I was listening to Tammy Bruce today on the Radio. And I agree with her. Obama was a bad man before the election – and the fact that a majority of Americans voted for him doesn’t suddenly “cleanse” him of his sins.

For cryin’ out loud Newt – you’re the opposition party act like it.

HondaV65 on December 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM

The Newtster hereby requests that nobody endanger his chances of getting a cabinet position as Bambi’s token Republican.

viking01 on December 16, 2008 at 9:42 PM

Newt and Powell can both take a flying leap off the nearest cliff. Screw the both of you! Blue dog POS elitist.

Keemo on December 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM

IlikedAUH2O on December 16, 2008 at 9:08 PM

DaveS (”on holding the ad back..” from above) How many examples do you want of Dems launching investigations before they had any facts?

That’s sort of my point… you’re exhibiting the same childishness I have come to expect from Democrats.

Oh, and I’m not a “liberal”, unless you actually meant “classical liberal”, but I suspect you meant “leftist”.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Newt, go write another history book and shut up. I say we continue to go after Hussein every chance he gives us. The libtards attcks on Bush were RELENTLESS. I say we show them how its done.

dogsoldier on December 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Newt is like a defensive line coach telling his front four to leave the other teams QB alone.

thomasaur on December 16, 2008 at 10:00 PM

The Ad was kind of bad. They could have done it better. But, they did the Ad to soon. They should have waited till they release some of the recordings. I will still speak up against BHO! He is not fit to run our Country! My Dog could be a better President, then that idiot. Newt is a good man. But he is a Rhino. And believing in Global Warming, makes me wonder about his IQ. We shouldn’t set idle and not say anything. We should kick butt when needed. BHO is not my Pres. I will never trust him. Ever!

sheebe on December 16, 2008 at 10:09 PM

dogsoldier on December 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Newt, go write another history book and shut up. I say we continue to go after Hussein every chance he gives us. The libtards attcks on Bush were RELENTLESS. I say we show them how its done.

Wow! I couldn’t have come up with a better example of what I was saying if I had completely made it up!

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 10:16 PM

First of all, isn’t this clip a web video and not a national ad? And isn’t the intended audience Republicans? I think its purpose is to keep those less informed partisans abreast of the unanswered questions re the possible buying of a senatorial seat.

Obama chose to assume the seat of power. It’s time that his training wheels come off. He has too many enablers, as it is, in his own party and in the media.

Obama promised transparency, and we get obfuscation.

When Newt uses words like “distraction” to protect Obama, one has to question Newt’s motives.

Democrat policies and lawmakers have largely created this credit and financial crisis. Obama’s stated policies and advisors are promoting plans that may well worsen and deepen a market correction into a longer-lasting recession/depression. Also, they do not begin to address what created the problem in the first place.

Obama never avoided an opportunity to attack Bush and the Republicans. Someone needs to remind Obama that the campaign is over, that he won, and now he is in the hot seat, where citizens deserve answers.

Go back to the think tanks, Newt. Your advice to conservative Republican politicians is less than helpful here.

onlineanalyst on December 16, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Well, if you have any actual evidence that Obama was involved in the pay-to-play scandal, I’m all ears.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Axelrod said he KNEW that Obama spoke to Blago about the senate seat. Now do I need evidence that Axelrod was telling the truth the first time he spoke about it when there was no reason for him to lie?

It seems to me that it is YOU who needs to provide the evidence that Axelrod wasn’t lying when he backed off his initial assertion because he had plenty of reason to lie about that.

Buddahpundit on December 16, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Like Allah said (because he, unlike you guys, has common sense): “Why not just hold the ad back until we know for a fact someone’s done something wrong”?

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM

There’s no universal agreement here regarding AP’s sense.

More to the point is that if the RNC were to wait until they were sure they were right, they’d be no better than any other “me too” last minute arrival to the train station.

Which works fine for Dems and RINOs – not so well for true conservatives.

We lead – you follow. Can’t run with the big dogs? Keep your poodle a$$ on the porch.

platypus on December 16, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Buddahpundit on December 16, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Axelrod said he KNEW that Obama spoke to Blago about the senate seat. Now do I need evidence that Axelrod was telling the truth the first time he spoke about it when there was no reason for him to lie?

Again, public statements to the press can be sloppy, especially when they are commenting on something routine and relatively uninteresting… only after something blows up into a scandal does the partisan over-parsing start on the one side, and the hyper-legal crafting of public statements on the other.

There is no question that a Senator is involved, in some way, with transitioning his seat. The question is if Obama was involved in the scandal in any way. At this point, there is no indication that he was.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 10:48 PM

platypus on December 16, 2008 at 10:35 PM

More to the point is that if the RNC were to wait until they were sure they were right, they’d be no better than any other “me too” last minute arrival to the train station.

No, they would look like rational, mature, intelligent people.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 10:49 PM

The “Newt” has been wrong before…so why is he even being listened to….

jerrytbg on December 16, 2008 at 10:57 PM

I think Newt is perfectly right here and the groundless attacks are just a tedious bore without anything solid to back them up. Get something solid first.

Chessplayer on December 16, 2008 at 11:02 PM

duh…

jerrytbg on December 16, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Axelrod “comments on something routine and uninteresting,” according to DaveS. Then Axelrod misspoke. Now he is in a cone of silence.

Biden pops off with is “mark my words, there will be a crisis for Obama,” and then “off to the cone of silence”.

Reporters are clipped mid-question regarding a newsworthy event, and Obama relegates them to the “cone of silence”.

I guess that we are all rather tired of waiting for Obama to “eat his waffle” and conduct his own “internal investigations”.

onlineanalyst on December 16, 2008 at 11:08 PM

There is no question that a Senator is involved, in some way, with transitioning his seat. The question is if Obama was involved in the scandal in any way. At this point, there is no indication that he was.

DaveS on December 16, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Axelrod indicated that Obama was involved. You are claiming that at a later convenient time he un-indicated what he already indicated. I’ve never seen anything like it. Any previous attempt at something like this would have been met with unanimous disbelief except where it is tried on the cult members by the cult leaders.

Buddahpundit on December 16, 2008 at 11:18 PM

I see Republicans have not learned that preemptive surrender is a losing strategy.

Merovign on December 16, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Foolish are those who dwell in the mine of capriciousness.
lol!

jerrytbg on December 16, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Why not just hold the ad back until we know for a fact someone’s done something wrong?

That’s what I thought.
And that’s what Newt should be saying. Not, “Leave Barack alone! Sniff.”

jgapinoy on December 16, 2008 at 11:56 PM

DaveS

A new thought has occured to me and I want to share it with you. First let me say that I understand your point, and I largely agree that it would have been best for the country if Obama were allowed to initiate his Presidency without further scandal, and with the reasonable cooperation of both parties.

Sadly, I was right for the umpteenth time (it’s a burden), and in a matter of weeks since winning the election, his corrupt associations and past have already begun to crawl out of their shallow grave. This is why a free press should report on unknown politicians honestly, and why people should inform themselves of a candidate’s positions, associations, background, and voting record in previous positions.

But I think our fundamental disagreement on the RNC ad stems from one simple fact. You have apparently not seen this.

Have a gander at your arrogant jerkoff of a President elect, and the remarkable condescension he musters while dressing down the political reporter from his local Chicago Tribune, which not only endorsed him, but utterly refused to investigate anything from his past, prior to the Senate election, and in fact filed the lawsuit to open Jack Ryan’s sealed divorce records which is the only reason you have ever heard of this scumbag.

Enjoy.

Jaibones on December 16, 2008 at 11:59 PM

Jaibones on December 16, 2008 at 11:59 PM

Have a gander at your arrogant jerkoff of a President elect, and the remarkable condescension he musters while dressing down the political reporter from his local Chicago Tribune, which not only endorsed him, but utterly refused to investigate anything from his past, prior to the Senate election, and in fact filed the lawsuit to open Jack Ryan’s sealed divorce records which is the only reason you have ever heard of this scumbag.

I agree with the sentiment. Obama is an arrogant moron, the press is finally about to learn some hard lessons about hero worship and about how arrogant he actually is, etc., etc.

I’m not sure how that, in any way, means its a good idea for the Republicans to start shrieking like Tom Daschle, Dick Gephardt, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, et al. Are you implying that the mere fact that I think Obama is an idiot should sufficiently justify making an ass of myself (or, by extension, that the republicans should collectively do so)?

I don’t get the logic, at all.

DaveS on December 17, 2008 at 12:13 AM

Enjoy.

Jaibones on December 16, 2008 at 11:59 PM

That gets a huge “AMEN” from me, brother!

platypus on December 17, 2008 at 12:17 AM

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