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If you hire an insurance agent and they lose all of your money through incompetence, do you say “Oh well, nothing’s 100%”? No, you say “F*ck you, you are bad at your job” and you go elsewhere. The Bush administration never said, “Hey, we’re not sure about this but we think they have WMD”, they said “We know they have them”. They were wrong and you are a complete and utter moron for arguing otherwise.

alex342 on December 16, 2008 at 3:08 AM

No dumbass,the only idiot is you to post here thinking that
the President of the United States just puts together intelligence by himself and dishes it out.

When most of the worlds intelligence agencies agree with our intelligence agencies and our elected officials repeat for over 13 years that Saddam had WMD’s and ties to al-qaeda,only an absolute idiot who has no idea what they are talking about would come to the conclusion that “it was Bush’s fault,he lied”.
Try pulling your head out of Micheal Moore’s a$$ long enough to see that every bi-partisan investigation has shown the same consistent results,Bush/Cheney neither lied nor manipulated pre-war intelligence.

Now if you know so much and Bush is such a war criminal,then why aren’t your elected democratic heroes on the hill doing something about it.From the VP on down,they said the same things Bush did and voted for this war and idiot’s like you continue to support them.
You can’t have it both ways,either you vote and support people who are and were complicit with war crimes or Bush is not guilty.
All facts and investigations point to the latter.
Your liberal drivel and idiotic ramblings have been proven
wrong time and time again.
Grow up dumba$$.

Baxter Greene on December 16, 2008 at 8:48 AM

Try reading something other than political screeds once and a while.
alex342 on December 16, 2008 at 3:08 AM

Bi-partisan Senate intelligence reports,independent investigations by the British (Butler Report),Independent investigations (Duelfer report) and the 9/11 commission report
are far from being “political screeds”.

Please show us your evidence that carries more weight then these investigations that prove other wise genius.

‘Bush Lied’? If Only It Were That Simple.
By Fred Hiatt
Monday, June 9, 2008; A17
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/08/AR2008060801687_pf.html

But dive into Rockefeller’s report, in search of where exactly President Bush lied about what his intelligence agencies were telling him about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, and you may be surprised by what you find.

On Iraq’s nuclear weapons program? The president’s statements “were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates.”

On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president’s statements “were substantiated by intelligence information.”

On chemical weapons, then? “Substantiated by intelligence information.”

On weapons of mass destruction overall (a separate section of the intelligence committee report)? “Generally substantiated by intelligence information.” Delivery vehicles such as ballistic missiles? “Generally substantiated by available intelligence.” Unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to deliver WMDs? “Generally substantiated by intelligence information.”

But statements regarding Iraq’s support for terrorist groups other than al-Qaeda “were substantiated by intelligence information.” Statements that Iraq provided safe haven for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other terrorists with ties to al-Qaeda “were substantiated by the intelligence assessments,” and statements regarding Iraq’s contacts with al-Qaeda “were substantiated by intelligence information.”

Bush never lied to us about Iraq
The administration simply got bad intelligence. Critics are wrong to assert deception.
By James Kirchick
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-kirchick16-2008jun16,0,4808346.story
June 16, 2008

This may sound like ancient history, but it matters. After Sept. 11, President Bush did not want to risk allowing Hussein, who had twice invaded neighboring nations, murdered more than 1 million Iraqis and stood in violation of 16 U.N. Security Council resolutions, to remain in possession of what he believed were stocks of chemical and biological warheads and a nuclear weapons program. By glossing over this history, the Democrats’ lies-led-to-war narrative provides false comfort in a world of significant dangers.

democrat majority made the findings.LA times and Washington
Post are far from friends of the Bush Administration.

You keep spitting in the wind genius.Your whining about Bush/Cheney has done nothing but hurt approval ratings.
Congratulations on being so wrong about so much.

Got to get to work,I can’t wait to see your super intelligent investigative work that nobody that is in power
or privy to how intelligence works on the hill agrees with.

Baxter Greene on December 16, 2008 at 9:06 AM

Baxter Greene on December 16, 2008 at 9:06 AM

Robin Cook said there were only the residual weapons left from pre-1991. Hans Blix said the same. Richard Butler said the same. The Bush administration used intelligence from unreliable defectors to support the claim he had additional, strategic WMD. That was false and many in the intelligence community believed it was false and they were right and the Bush administration was wrong and whether that’s due to dishonesty or incompetence or both, it was their responsibility to make the right call and they failed.

You mentioned the Butler report; Butler called for John Howard’s resignation for leading Australia into Iraq on false premises.

alex342 on December 16, 2008 at 9:27 AM

That’s it!!!that’s all you have to refute the findings of over 5 bi-partisan investigations.
How pathetic.

The problem with the weapons inspectors is that they “did not know for sure” what Saddam had and didn’t have.He would not disclose his facilities openly,would make inspectors wait for days before they could get into a site,and kick them out when he felt like it .
Your selective memory when it comes to Saddam having more then 10 years to disarm and over 14 UN resolutions shows you to be nothing but a political hack suffering from severe
BDS.

Warnings of Iraq’s biological capability

The head of the U.N. weapons monitoring team for Iraq, Richard Butler, told CNN’s “Late Edition” on Sunday that Iraq has never fully disclosed its capability to make biological weapons.

Butler said Iraq’s capabilities to build a nuclear bomb had been reduced significantly but that the biological capabilities were still a “black hole.”
Based on the findings of recent U.N. weapons inspections, Butler said, Iraq might be able to produce a “significant quantity” of biological agents within about a week.

“I have mentioned the issue of anthrax to the Council on previous occasions and I come back to it as it is an important one.

Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.

There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was, indeed, destroyed in 1991.”

Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
Addressing the UN Security Council
January 27, 2003

Does this sound like someone who knows exactly what Saddam
Possessed and what he did with it to you.

“The recent inspection find in the private home of a scientist of a box of some 3,000 pages of documents, much of it relating to the laser enrichment of uranium support a concern that has long existed that documents might be distributed to the homes of private individuals. …we cannot help but think that the case might not be isolated and that such placements of documents is deliberate to make discovery difficult and to seek to shield documents by placing them in private homes.”

Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
Addressing the UN Security Council
January 27, 2003

Saddam was deliberately hiding his capabilities from the inspectors and they knew it.

“The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed.

13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes.”

Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
Addressing the UN Security Council
January 27, 2003

Once again,Saddam was not meeting up to his surrender agreement and the UN resolutions.The inspectors thought he very well could have produced more than was admitted and was not forthcoming in proving what he did and did not have.
This is not compliance nor could the inspectors come away
knowing for sure that Saddam had disarmed.
Whether it was 1991 or not,it was still deadly WMD’s.I don’t think the hundreds of thousands of victims that Saddam killed with WMD’s cared about whether they were out of date or not.
The inspectors knew,other worlds intelligence knew,and our own government said that Saddam was playing cat and mouse games leaving the inspection process and sanctions useless.

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.

We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”

Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President
Speech to San Francisco Commonwealth Club
September 23, 2002

“It appears that with the deadline for exile come and gone, Saddam Hussein has chosen to make military force the ultimate weapons inspections enforcement mechanism. If so, the only exit strategy is victory, this is our common mission and the world’s cause.”

Senator John Kerry (Democrat, Massachusetts)
Statement on commencement of military strikes against Iraq
March 20, 2003

“It is the duty of any president, in the final analysis, to defend this nation and dispel the security threat. Saddam Hussein has brought military action upon himself by refusing for 12 years to comply with the mandates of the United Nations. The brave and capable men and women of our armed forces and those who are with us will quickly, I know, remove him once and for all as a threat to his neighbors, to the world, and to his own people, and I support their doing so.”

Senator John Kerry (Democrat, Massachusetts)
Statement on eve of military strikes against Iraq
March 17, 2003

According to Kerry,Saddam was given every chance to disarm,and chose not to.
The only way we knew exactly what Saddam possessed and didn’t possess was when we put 130,000 sets of boots on the ground.

WESLEY CLARK: There’s a lot of stuff hidden in a lot of different places, Miles, and I’m not sure that we know where it all is. People in Iraq do. The scientists know some of it. Some of the military, the low ranking military; some of Saddam Hussein’s security organizations. There’s a big organization in place to cover and deceive and prevent anyone from knowing about this.

Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate
During an interview on CNN
January 18, 2003

“We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict.”

Senator Harry Reid (Democrat, Nevada)
Addressing the US Senate
October 9, 2002
Congressional Record, p. S10145

“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”

Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
December 16, 1998

Over and Over and Over and Over we have democrats that totally 100% dispute your contention that the inspection process and sanctions were working.

Your Biden’s,Clinton’s,Reid’s,Pelosi’s,all agreed with Bush,and either voted for war or believed that Saddam posed the same threats with WMD’s and terrorist ties that our intelligence agencies stated.
These people worked on Intelligence committees and had access to “all” the intelligence that the Bush administration was presented to produce their reports.

You have not been able to refute or show with any credibility the findings and conclusions of over 5 investigations into these matters that exonerated the Bush administration from these bogus left wing accusations.

You have not explained why if Bush is such a “war criminal”
why haven’t the majority run democratic congress done anything about it and why do liberals like yourself still support these leaders if they are in compliance with war crimes.

But keep jumping up and down in the middle of the room with your hands over your ears yelling “Bush lied!!Bush lied” like a 5 year old kid,it’s all you got because the facts on the ground don’t match your liberal drivel.

Baxter Greene on December 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM