Indiana AG to investigate Planned Parenthood
posted at 3:12 pm on December 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Indiana Attorney General has launched an investigation into Planned Parenthood after an undercover UCLA student exposed practices of obstruction of justice. Lila Rose posed as a 13-year-old girl and videotaped her experiences at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Indiana, where a staff member advised her to lie about her sexual experiences and instructed her to go across state lines to get an abortion. Planned Parenthood fired the staffer but that may not be enough to avoid criminal charges:
The Indiana Attorney General says his office is also investigating Planned Parenthood of Indiana.
The development comes after a health center aide was caught on video telling a woman who claimed to be a pregnant teen to lie about the age of the father. …
Carter says if the investigation leads to criminal charges, it would be handled by a prosecutor. His office would handle any medical wrongdoing.
On Friday, Indiana’s Department of Child Services announced that it would not investigate the incident. The AG’s move carries more potential threat, however, with criminal prosecution possible. The question will be whether the clinic itself instructed the worker to offer that advice and to thwart laws intended on protecting children from sexual abuse. If so, Planned Parenthood may find itself in hot water throughout the state of Indiana.
For those who have not yet seen the video:
Indiana Planned Parenthood Covers Up Sexual Abuse of 13-year Old
The AG should investigate this if Indiana expects its health-care facilities to act in accordance with the law. Restrictions on abortions and reporting requirements for girls under the age of fourteen exist for good reason. The people of Indiana want to protect their children from sexual predators, and a 31-year-old impregnating a 13-year-old is an obvious example of that kind of danger. If the state allowed this blatant thumbing of the collective Planned Parenthood nose to go unanswered, those laws may as well disappear, as well as the protections put in place by Indiana voters for their children.
Addendum: In fairness, I’d like to see the whole tape made public. I doubt that there could be any extenuating context in this, but gaps occur in the video, as can be seen in the time code counter in the bottom right. I’m certain that Lila Rose will give the entire tape as evidence in any event, and that way we can have a clear and complete record.
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In most of the United States, he or she is indeed legally a human being — with exceptions carefully drawn so as to codify a “right” to an abortion for the “mother of the fetus”
That is true even here in California, which has a fully operative fetal homicide law.
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Here’s California’s law:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
…and…
Notice how many paragraphs are needed to carve out an abortion exception. Now, from an ethical standpoint, does California recognize the humanity of a fetus? A: Yes — in spite of the first sentence, a fetus and a “human being” are both accorded a basic right to life, which the malice of murder takes away.
Now, given that this law was created by pro-aborts in the wake of the Laci Peterson case, and the wording is rather strongly in favor of the pro-abortion view of things, certain truths are readily apparent from even a cursory reading — that a fetus is a person, and that killing one is an act against the state.
To understand the exceptions in the above law, let’s examine the South Caroline slave code:
Lots of exceptions in the above to legally allow the master to kill his or her slave.
unclesmrgol on April 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM
You’ll never get a good answer because you are asking subhuman libturd cockroaches to define what a human is. Like they would know.
bbinfl on April 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM
Armin Tamzarian on April 26, 2013 at 3:51 PM
The threads w/b way better if you ever stuck to topic, instead of your derailments.
Schadenfreude on April 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM
Value life: We hold this truth to be self evident, that Life begins at conception, and that no one may deprive one of life without due process under the law. We also hold to the truth that murder is unjust killing and that there may be forms of killing permitted under the law with what the people who live under the law deem acceptable.
Act responsibly: You are fully responsible for yourself, and it is not the purview of the peoples purse to pay for your comfort, but only when need is deemed as acceptable by those duly elected local representatives.
That plain enough for you?
nobar on April 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM
1. Riiiiight. That’s why so many biologist and for that matter scientists are conservatives.
2. Riiiiight. Gay marriage is on its way out and ever increasing numbers want abortions banned.
Are you 95 years old and have not met anyone under 30 recently? That’s the only way you could say something so stupid. Or are you Todd Akin?
lester on April 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM
You miss the point entirely, not that I’m surprised.
The fact is,
Government should not dictate religious doctrine.
Not the other way around, dear.
Are you an atheist?
jersey taxpayer on April 26, 2013 at 3:54 PM
obama…you are a baby killer…repent….
crosshugger on April 26, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Yesterday must have been a holiday at OfA.
Today must be double pay day.
Schadenfreude on April 26, 2013 at 3:55 PM
“Force” isn’t an application here. It’s a made-up term so baby-killers like you can get a free pass.
Plan B is given to rape victims as a matter of common treatment in emergency rooms, nationwide. It has been available, over the counter, upon request to girls 17 and older. Now, by a judge’s ruling, even ten year olds can get it.
You baby-killers no longer have anything on which to stand; the barbaric practice of abortion is no longer necessary.
Except for the part where you liberals get off causing harm.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 3:55 PM
Tomorrow is no pay day at OfA.
Sunday too
Schadenfreude on April 26, 2013 at 3:55 PM
Armin Tamzarian on April 26, 2013 at 3:45 PM
When dealing with a soulless individual, such as yourself, who feels no remose whatsoever about yanking humans out of their mother’s womb with a set of tongs, and snipping their spinal cords, it would be fruitless for me to have a discussion with such a individual as you.
As nobar said, you pride yourself on twisting words and complex sentances, using them to camoflage the heinous subject which you are attempting to defend.
You are defending the taking of human lives, plain and simple, in deference to the barren wastland that is your soulless intellect.
An innocent is not something to be discussed and dickered over, as if it was cattle to be sold. You were an innocent, in your mother’s womb at one time. As Ronald Regan said,
I pity you.
kingsjester on April 26, 2013 at 3:56 PM
Obviously one party has no legal choice in the case of rape.
That said, those who try to carve out an exception for rape, the whole argument of not killing the innocent falls — for those trying for the exception aren’t much better than those who want the whole thing to be free and unfettered.
unclesmrgol on April 26, 2013 at 3:57 PM
I want to stop needless killing. I must be a Nazi, QED.
Jeff Weimer on April 26, 2013 at 3:58 PM
You want government to force women to have babies. Why not take it a step further and force them to have sex too? That’s just one step further in your planned invasion of their rights.
The only incoherent thing is your argument. State and federal law define at what stage a fetus becomes and actual human being that should not be aborted. If you want ignore that then feel fre.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 3:59 PM
I don’t think the libturd was talking about rape at all.
bbinfl on April 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM
Pity is worthy only of those seeking repentance.
Of those who reject God, we should shake the dust from our feet and move on.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM
lester on April 26, 2013 at 3:59 PM
Gosnell practiced infanticide.
PP knew about it and said nothing.
Obama knows about it and says nothing.
You creeps know about it and say a lot for it.
You are no different than the infanticide-practicing Chinese and Indians (the ones in India), state-sanctioned.
Obama made clear of it.
Schadenfreude on April 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM
FIFY.
unclesmrgol on April 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM
labrat on April 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM
Right, then. You have nothing, no argument, nada. I’m glad we settled that. Thank you and good day.
Armin Tamzarian on April 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM
1. Ha. I see you didn’t address my points about liberals like yourself supporting drones, warrant-less wiretaps, email snooping, etc. So much for “privacy.” Oh, I forgot “privacy” means “abortion.”
2. I didn’t bring up Gay Marriage. If you could read you would know that younger voters like myself support gay marriage and oppose abortion. Dumbass.
The future is against you.
tetriskid on April 26, 2013 at 4:05 PM
Hey, so does Bloomy. So does Barry O. Soda leads to obesity, disease, and other things that can cut a person’s life short. Guns can be used to commit mass murder. Ban soda! Ban guns!
Armin Tamzarian on April 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM
That’s not right at all. We want to maximize life and liberty. Two people living and enjoying maximum liberty > one person doing the same.
State and Federal law define arbitrary points, not metaphysical truths. Those can be changed, as we are agitating to do. So we do not “ignore that”, we disagree with it.
Jeff Weimer on April 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM
You liberals hate being dismissed and disregarded, don’t you?
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM
No, I want women (and men) to start taking responsibility for their actions instead of having unlimited illicit sex and then having an opt-out for the consequences, i.e. pregnancy. Life is life, whether you it is in the womb or after the birth.
Bitter Clinger on April 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM
No, you’re missing the point and I’m not surprised either.
Government policy is government policy. Not any religion’s domain.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM
I don’t feel dismissed or disregarded. I feel vindicated. He spent at least as much time writing out his “you’re a poopy head who hates babeez!” speech as he would have spent mounting an actual argument, or whatever passes for it here, but he didn’t even bother with that because he simply had nothing with which to rebut my points.
Armin Tamzarian on April 26, 2013 at 4:10 PM
Lester,
Is that Nyquil kicking in yet?
drowningpuppies on April 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM
You do have to remember that you are dealing with idiotic libturds that are more than likely too stupid to know how to take a pill or put a rubber on.
bbinfl on April 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM
In that, YOU will do your level best to exclude, instead of having a mind toward, “Live and let live.”
YOU oppose. In that, YOU refuse and seek to deny liberty for others.
Again, you’re a liberal. No matter how you advertise yourself, YOU are a liberal.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM
FIFY.
unclesmrgol on April 26, 2013 at 4:14 PM
And you want to force these same people to give birth? Is that a good idea?
Armin Tamzarian on April 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM
FIFY.
unclesmrgol on April 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM
So will the GOP call him on his radical support for PP, which is Maragaret Sanger’s dream of killing black babies? Will they dare demand he move the abortion chambers out of the ghettos of America? Will they even say that murdering helpless Black babies isn’t very nice, or will they continue to wring their rotted hands about money and killing off the tea party revolt before it reforms Washington?
Don L on April 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM
Taking away choice means force. It’s pretty simple.
And don’t pretend you’re okay with rape abortions. If you are “pro-life” then that is also murder. There’s nothing in-between. At least be an honest pro-lifer.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM
Your pro-abortion argument is that the government will force rape on its population if rights are granted to the unborn?
Why are you unconcerned with the invasion of rights of viable human life?
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM
I’ll be more than happy to discuss your deflection/diversion once you answer my first asked question of why you chose the particular words “actual human”.
Or are you trying to tell me that you don’t know the meaning of the word “actual”?
No queue jumping, now. Answer the question.
kim roy on April 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM
FIFY.
unclesmrgol on April 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM
so, no reply to my last post, but, okay, lester, understandable considering the amount of posts to you.
But, this, cannot be ignored.
“State and federal law define at what stage a fetus becomes and (sic) actual human being…”
NO, lester.
ONLY GOD, Himself, determines that.
You answered my question. You’re an atheist.
jersey taxpayer on April 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM
Sarah Palin blasts obama …
Pork-Chop on April 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM
FIFY.
unclesmrgol on April 26, 2013 at 4:20 PM
With Plan B, there is no longer any need for the violence of abortion.
Yet, YOU are hell-bent for that brutality.
That says everything about YOU.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:21 PM
What is the purpose of abortion?
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 4:22 PM
Hey thujackass, you worthless piece of road kill.
You said that an unwanted baby is no different than an unwanted puppy. You are right–if you’re an atheist. If God doesn’t exist, then humans are just animals. On the same ontological level. We just evolved. A cosmic accident. No concrete standard of right or wrong.
The logical conclusion that if —–but is it right or wrong to be logical?
An evolutionary accident.
So then, I assume you support Obama’s death panels. Who needs non-productive old people sucking scarce resources.
Speaking of sucking up scarce resources; let’s kill all the handicapped people. Who wants those societal drains. Seniors, too.
Then we can kill anyone who is on welfare. But let’s not waste valuable resources killing them. Just herd them into some blighted area of town and let them starve.
Do you see any degree of difference between killing unwanted animals and killing for food? Is killing for food better than killing for unwantedness? Better? Right or wrong? Who is to say? Sounds like a moral decision.
You eat hamburgers? Now there’s an unwanted animal. Well, except as dead and butchered and exposed to the proper amount of heat and seasonings.
How about we butcher all those people we don’t want and eat them. That way they wouldn’t be so . . . unwanted.
Has anyone calculated the protein content of human meat?
Of course we could put them in feedlots. We already have Ghettos.
We call cow meat beef; pig meat pork. What do we call people meat.
And unwanted babies. Just toss them over into the corner. They will eventually become too weak to scream and cry. They will quickly, and painfully, dehydrate and die.
Or should we give them a shot of something to hasten their demise. We would do the same for an unwanted puppy. You don’t like the way animals are treated at the slaughterhouse. Let’s be consistent.
Of course, to be logically and humanely consistent, we should anesthetize babies in the womb before we rip them apart. Don’t want to cause them any pain. But so what if we cause them pain. No need to introduce morality at this point.
There is no God. No Absolute Authority. To whose morality should we subscribe.
How about your moral standard, thuja, molester, armandhammmer–any of you who claim superior knowledge? Any of you who have an evolutionary superior intellect. Thuja, God of the Universe. Absolute Standard of Morality.
Any of you smart enough to tell the whole world how to live? You seem to think you are. You get on the World Wide Web and tell everybody the way things should be.
“[T]he way things should be” That darned morality thing just keeps popping up.
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 4:22 PM
So liberal males don’t have to forced to pay for the babies they made.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:24 PM
Dr. Mengele was an Obama man before his time.
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 4:25 PM
Wow
lester, Armin, and cT
At least keep the ghouls here so they won’t haunt other threads. Ha!
22044 on April 26, 2013 at 4:26 PM
Hubris…won’t end well, for anyone.
Schadenfreude on April 26, 2013 at 4:27 PM
Let’s all party then.
Abortion services and practice of Psychology banned from now on to keep Christians and Scientologists happy respectively.
Bacon is banned. We can’t offend those Muslims. Add alcohol to the list.
Sex out of wedlock and divorce have to go too. For the sake of all Abrahamic religions. This one calls for a big party (no Alcohol or sex though, or dancing or improper clothing).
I hear Hindus don’t like beef, but then vegetarians don’t like any meat… so let’s help both at the same time!
All these liberties we were infringing on by not banning them. Thanks for bringing this up.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:27 PM
YOU know nothing about we Conservatives. YOU are a liberal, so we grasp that.
YOU don’t know as much as you think you do.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:28 PM
Maybe talk to a woman who’s got one. I hear it’s not rare.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM
At least be an honest pro-abortionist.
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM
Right to life.
Why is a baby not allowed to live because she isn’t living outside a womb?
You won’t answer that question, I’m sure.
22044 on April 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM
If that was supposed to be a defense of abortion, I think that insane rant missed your intended mark.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM
AT, a few thoughts on this argument going on here.
Gosnell will go to jail, and probably die, because he was practicing infanticide, and everyone knows it.
The question is, why was he, or mores the point why so many? Following the case, he was the only one close in that area that would even touch those patients.
Abortion will die, just ever so slowly unfortunately. There may be pockets that will always remain, I have a feeling eventually this will return to the states for them to decide.
MarshFox on April 26, 2013 at 4:31 PM
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 4:22 PM
Thread winner.
drowningpuppies on April 26, 2013 at 4:32 PM
Okay, lester, on the assumption that you’re an atheist (because you haven’t denied it in my last post,) let’s presume this.
A Christian president is elected. He/She is able to enact law that says life begins at inception. Roe v. Wade is overturned.
Since your defense is “government policy is government policy,’ where do you stand?
In other words, lester, does “government” STILL determine when it can “get in women’s private parts and private business.”?
jersey taxpayer on April 26, 2013 at 4:33 PM
A message for Obama with his God Bless the Godless baby murderers in planned parenthood.
Psalms 2: 10 – 11
10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, with trembling
Don L on April 26, 2013 at 4:33 PM
I responded, you are practicing selective reading:
I can answer 20 more times but you’ll keep ignoring. You really want an answer you don’t like.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:33 PM
Tell us all how YOUR vision will enhance quality of life.
If you have children, show out how they are best served having YOU as a parent.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Stupid liberal thinks religion = science.
Makes sense since stupid liberal can’t do math and is bankrupting our country.
tetriskid on April 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Murderers. May they all burn in hell.
Ward Cleaver on April 26, 2013 at 4:35 PM
There are plenty of atheists & agnostics who are pro-life.
So any connection between Christianity and pro-life advocacy is intellectually dishonest.
Are you reading that, lester & Armin?
22044 on April 26, 2013 at 4:35 PM
Because it’s not legal or something.
Bitter Clinger on April 26, 2013 at 4:36 PM
Liberals can’t see past “The Me”
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:37 PM
You just gave an example of government explicitly doing something based on religious motive. That goes exactly against my statement.
Roe v. Wade is keep religion out of government policy. A Christian president somehow overturning it would be governing by religion.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:37 PM
It’s kind of the ‘if it weren’t for bad luck, I’d have no luck at all’ deal…
If liberals didn’t have ‘intellectual dishonesty’, they’d have nothing intellectual at all.
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 4:40 PM
Well, that’s not entirely true.
Supreme Court Rejects Appeal of Abortionist Convicted of Murder
Top abortion doctor convicted of abuse
Abortionist convicted for botched jobs
Resist We Much on April 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM
President Obama says it is.
You saying he is being “un-truthful” ?
Jabberwock on April 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM
Because it’s not a baby and it’s inside a woman with right to privacy and control over her life, neither of which your religious beliefs should be able to take away.
Translation: Please answer this! Please answer this! Please answer this! Please notice me! Please!
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:42 PM
lester, how do you define “religious motives.”
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 4:42 PM
We have an odious, evil and dishonest ‘leader’. This speech to the largest legal murdering organization in the world was a disgrace; look how proud of himself while he praises those whose sole purpose is to end life.
maryo on April 26, 2013 at 4:42 PM
This is why you fail. Well, along with a single digit IQ and a predilection for little boys.
You presume – ignorantly and ridiculously – that anything a Christian does can only and always be based on religious motive.
As has been stated a gazillion times before – not all pro-life folks are religious – so… logically… work with me here, I know this is hard… maybe… just maybe… it isn’t… all… about religion… after all…
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 4:43 PM
I really don’t care what YOU opine, liberal. YOU really don’t count, you’re common. At a dime a dozen, YOU are overpriced.
I already gave back to GOD and Country two superb Americans, who married well and are raising three American daughters.
YOU really have nothing, except your liberalism.
You liberals have made yourselves nothing more than comedic caricatures, mere cartoons.
Saddest for you is that you don’t know it.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM
Abortionist Rapin Osathanondh pleads guilty to involuntary manslaughter
Abortionist sentenced to 15 years for drowning born-alive infant
Abortionist Convicted of Killing Client
Resist We Much on April 26, 2013 at 4:45 PM
(mo)lester, are you paid for your insensitive and disturbing comments? Did your mother consider aborting you?
maryo on April 26, 2013 at 4:45 PM
Lester…that’s a Human BABY growing inside of another human being. Not a puppy.
kingsjester on April 26, 2013 at 4:47 PM
What is the purpose of abortion?
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 4:47 PM
Actual quote? Context? Compared to what?
And when I said “I hear it’s not rare” as in pro-lifers claim there’s a gajillion abortions every hour.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:47 PM
It will get overturned eventually anyway, this country will swing, when it does, either all of this becomes mute because we are in the land of chaos, or the law becomes seen for what it is, bad case law period. It is written so poorly that someone will take it down, the issue right now is that the mob is too distracted, wait till life becomes way more important than Idol, survival becomes a necessity, then I am guessing that the right to abortion will be something only the elite care about, if they still exist.
MarshFox on April 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM
What is the purpose of abortion?
See, I can do that too. Are you four years old?
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM
I’m getting bored with you being right all the time.
~dives for DEEP cover, laughing~
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM
887/day…and that’s just PP.
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM
And you think yourself so ‘superior’ with that?
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM
Interesting thoughts here.
The government has, in Roe v Wade, arbitrarily, defined when life begins.
Can government now define when life ends ?
Given that RvW defines life beginning sometime after the process has begun, can death be defined as sometime before the process stops ?
And yes, ACA is a consideration in this question.
Jabberwock on April 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM
Are you going to list all the ones who aren’t or are you going to stick to the Unskewed part of the statistics?
Thousands in prison on drug charges, ergo, all Americans are drug dealers. – RWM logic
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM
What is the purpose of abortion?
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 4:51 PM
An obstetrician convicted of infanticide after letting aborted fetus die
Florida abortionist sentenced to prison, charged with malpractice
Arizona Abortionist Convicted of Manslaughter.
I can only put three links in a post. If you want me to continue to give you examples, let me know. There are many, many more.
Resist We Much on April 26, 2013 at 4:52 PM
Then it should be easy to find a woman and ask. You can try camping outside of a PP.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:52 PM
Er, no.
You said…
I guess others have been and are after all, eh?
Case closed.
Resist We Much on April 26, 2013 at 4:53 PM
How about you tell us why YOU are still so for abortion when it need not be done any more, given current technology.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:53 PM
to resolve unwanted pregnancies
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 4:54 PM
Are you serious, or are you mentally inept?
I offered the opposite assumption of your defense.
I’ll now presume you’re not only mentally deficient, but more importantly morally decrepit.
You, dear, just like our preezy, can’t be taken seriously.
jersey taxpayer on April 26, 2013 at 4:54 PM
This is a perfectly fine example of why conservatives attack Obama on the ego angle. It’s just projection.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 4:55 PM
just a guess — ‘his’ daughters shouldn’t be ‘punished’
jersey taxpayer on April 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM
YOU are totally inadequate to and incapable of going against RWM. YOU can’t even match the other trolls here.
Seriously — walk away, go have a bite to eat, and forget this ever happened. For your own good.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 4:57 PM
All I can picture is that plot twist scene at the end of Ace Venutra: Pet Detective…
Nutstuyu on April 26, 2013 at 4:58 PM
When my daughter became pregnant, she didn’t consider it a punishment.
She loved her baby instantly. And so does all our small family.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM
http://www.christianpost.com/news/safe-legal-and-rare-abortion-is-detached-from-reality-94569/
Not the best example, but clearly his sentiment as well as the liberal line.
Jabberwock on April 26, 2013 at 5:01 PM
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