Indiana AG to investigate Planned Parenthood

posted at 3:12 pm on December 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Indiana Attorney General has launched an investigation into Planned Parenthood after an undercover UCLA student exposed practices of obstruction of justice.  Lila Rose posed as a 13-year-old girl and videotaped her experiences at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Indiana, where a staff member advised her to lie about her sexual experiences and instructed her to go across state lines to get an abortion.  Planned Parenthood fired the staffer but that may not be enough to avoid criminal charges:

The Indiana Attorney General says his office is also investigating Planned Parenthood of Indiana.

The development comes after a health center aide was caught on video telling a woman who claimed to be a pregnant teen to lie about the age of the father. …

Carter says if the investigation leads to criminal charges, it would be handled by a prosecutor. His office would handle any medical wrongdoing.

On Friday, Indiana’s Department of Child Services announced that it would not investigate the incident.  The AG’s move carries more potential threat, however, with criminal prosecution possible.  The question will be whether the clinic itself instructed the worker to offer that advice and to thwart laws intended on protecting children from sexual abuse.  If so, Planned Parenthood may find itself in hot water throughout the state of Indiana.

For those who have not yet seen the video:

Indiana Planned Parenthood Covers Up Sexual Abuse of 13-year Old

The AG should investigate this if Indiana expects its health-care facilities to act in accordance with the law. Restrictions on abortions and reporting requirements for girls under the age of fourteen exist for good reason. The people of Indiana want to protect their children from sexual predators, and a 31-year-old impregnating a 13-year-old is an obvious example of that kind of danger. If the state allowed this blatant thumbing of the collective Planned Parenthood nose to go unanswered, those laws may as well disappear, as well as the protections put in place by Indiana voters for their children.

Addendum: In fairness, I’d like to see the whole tape made public. I doubt that there could be any extenuating context in this, but gaps occur in the video, as can be seen in the time code counter in the bottom right. I’m certain that Lila Rose will give the entire tape as evidence in any event, and that way we can have a clear and complete record.


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Liberal libertines continue to be the bestest friends that sexual predators and pedophiles could ever wish for.

For lowering the age of consent, for child pornography, against prosecution, for “treatment” . . .

NoDonkey on December 15, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Lila Rose=AWESOME!

artist on December 15, 2008 at 3:22 PM

Disgusting.

LimeyGeek on December 15, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Expect this to die a quick death.

Here in Kansas a diligent AG here challenged Planned Parenthood and it cost him his office as AG and then again as District Attorney.

Rogue on December 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM

BUUUUUUU-STED!!!

CurtZHP on December 15, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Expect this to die a quick death.

Here in Kansas a diligent AG here challenged Planned Parenthood and it cost him his office as AG and then again as District Attorney.

Rogue on December 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Isn’t Kansas the home of “killer-Tiller,” the abortionist who lives in a gated community and has a penchant for being particularly indifferent to human life?

BKennedy on December 15, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Expect this to die a quick death.

Here in Kansas a diligent AG here challenged Planned Parenthood and it cost him his office as AG and then again as District Attorney.

Rogue on December 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM

That is the cost, but eventually these criminals will be brought to justice.
That’s what makes America so great…eventually it does happen…sometimes the cost is high.

right2bright on December 15, 2008 at 3:30 PM

It is turning out to be a really great news day for us Conservatives, a scandal a minute.

Done That on December 15, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Here in Kansas a diligent AG here challenged Planned Parenthood and it cost him his office as AG and then again as District Attorney.

Rogue on December 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Probably because Kansas has a Democrat Governor, Kathleen Sebelius. Under Republican Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana, the investigation can go on.

Steve Z on December 15, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Probably because Kansas has a Democrat Governor, Kathleen Sebelius. Under Republican Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana, the investigation can go on.

Steve Z on December 15, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I certainly hope so!!!

(From Indiana).

Oink on December 15, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Wow. I hadn’t seen this. Thanks for the post, Ed.

Spirit of 1776 on December 15, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Makes my skin crawl…..

What a surprise, an abortion practicioner shows complete lack of morals.

Book ‘em, Danno!

omnipotent on December 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM

This is a productive way to fight abortion. The UCLA student should be proud of her initiative and cleverness.

RightOFLeft on December 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Probably because Kansas has a Democrat Governor, Kathleen Sebelius. Under Republican Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana, the investigation can go on.

Sebelius, once considered as a possible VP for The Black Caesar, is not as moderate as her handlers would like for you to believe. The woman is pretty far to the Left.

As for this case in Indiana, it will be a matter of what the prosecutor can get out of the idiot who told the girl to lie. If she is threatened with jail time she may sing and talk about PP’s indoctrination classes that encourage lies and other unethical behavior.

grdred944 on December 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM

OT

Obama is done vetting himself and his staffers.

He has found no wrong doing!

WHEW!

artist on December 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Tonight on NBC News: Katie Couric tells her dwindling audience that the right-wing extremist Lila Rose actually tried to trick a “Womens Rights” organization for political purposes.

…more than likely, however, Katie yawns.

perroviejo on December 15, 2008 at 3:46 PM

This would only be covered by the MSM if Lila Rose was taped while planning to bomb an abortion clinic.

perroviejo on December 15, 2008 at 3:48 PM

News Alert: Democrat Senators are fuming.

/

Well, they’re fuming because Lila Rose wasn’t arrested.

perroviejo on December 15, 2008 at 3:50 PM

“Democrat Senators are fuming.”

How can walking abortions fume?

NoDonkey on December 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Charge this witch as an accomplice to rape.

Akzed on December 15, 2008 at 3:59 PM

OT

Obama is done vetting himself and his staffers.

He has found no wrong doing!

WHEW!

artist on December 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Didn’t I read somewhere that he’s done, but can’t release the info until Christmas week so he won’t “impede” Fitz’s investigation? Yeah, that’s the reason for sure….

cs89 on December 15, 2008 at 4:02 PM

The Baby Killer wing of the DNC has been busted,,,,, again….

DL13 on December 15, 2008 at 4:03 PM

On topic, the AG and Gov. are both Republicans. Not sure of their Prolife/Prochoice records, but I suspect the investigation will be thorough. If there’s evidence of wrongdoing, those culpable will probably go down hard.

cs89 on December 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM

throw these baby killers in prison.

lavell12 on December 15, 2008 at 4:10 PM

This is a productive way to fight abortion. The UCLA student should be proud of her initiative and cleverness.

RightOFLeft on December 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Maybe so, but this isn’t even about abortion. It’s about aiding statutory rapists. Abortion is being used to cover up for criminal activity and women like the one in this video are willing to let help them.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Won’t anyone think of the children?

I mean other than the ones who are being murdered or raped.

The ones who want to protect their sexual predator, pervert boyfriends, that is, let’s think of their feelings.

Oh and the bucks Planned Parenthood makes eviscerating children, let’s not do anything that might clip their margin.

NoDonkey on December 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Sickening… but, I wonder if these turd will even be demoted, much less fired.

espnjunkie on December 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM

If you dont get chills watching that, something is wrong with you, or at least we know who you voted for this past November.

WoosterOh on December 15, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Someone explain to me again why it’s wrong to firebomb or shoot these garbage.

And please avoid using the word “extreme.” The test of an action is not whether it’s moderate or extreme, but whether it’s right or wrong.

Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM

lets not forget why PP was originaly founded. It was founded to kill black children.

lavell12 on December 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Some of us resent being lumped in with “liberal libertines”, NoDonkey.

For lowering the age of consent,

How about abolish it and replace with an ‘age difference law’. Presently a difference of one year between consenting parties can mean somebody gets charged as a sex fiend.

for child pornography,

You mean like that Simpsons cartoon?

Dark-Star on December 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Someone explain to me again why it’s wrong to firebomb or shoot these garbage.

Is “thou shalt not murder” good enough for you?

On the good chance that it isn’t, how about the very real danger that such terroristic actions could get our faith outlawed en masse?

Dark-Star on December 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM

It’s a great injustice that the clinic worker isn’t allowed to tell the minor to go to Illinois. I would tell a minor that–even at risk to my job. Injustice must be fought.

thuja on December 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM

It is about time!

DannoJyd on December 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Presently a difference of one year between consenting parties can mean somebody gets charged as a sex fiend.

Dark-Star on December 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Not everywhere. I believe in Texas you have to be more than three years apart. So 19 and 16 is illegal, but 18 and 16 is not.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Dark-Star on December 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Unlike you, I don’t intend to roll over and die for these cowardly perverts. I intend to use my 2nd Amendment freedoms to end their evil rule.

Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 4:38 PM

I intend to use my 2nd Amendment freedoms to end their evil rule.

Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Which would make you just as evil. You’re free to do that (until you’re forcibly stopped by law enforcement that is), but don’t kid yourself. Murder is never justified.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Maybe so, but this isn’t even about abortion. It’s about aiding statutory rapists. Abortion is being used to cover up for criminal activity and women like the one in this video are willing to let help them.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM

If abortion is being used to cover up statutory rape, then it is about abortion. I guess my point was, “pick your battles.”

RightOFLeft on December 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM

The only reason she was fired (if she really was) was because she got caught. Not because she did anything else wrong.

oakpack on December 15, 2008 at 4:50 PM

I guess my point was, “pick your battles.”

RightOFLeft on December 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM

I kinda figured that. I just mean that this won’t necessarily affect abortion in general.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 4:38 PM

This is the attitude and actions that hinder stopping the killing of babies. It makes you no better.

oakpack on December 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

I find it funny as hell that she sent her to IL. The Bureau of Tourism must be pulling their hair out.

mike_NC9 on December 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Maybe so, but this isn’t even about abortion. It’s about aiding statutory rapists. Abortion is being used to cover up for criminal activity and women like the one in this video are willing to let help them.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Exactly.

When I was in junior high & high school, our “competition” was guys who were four to seven years older. So when we only had bikes, they had cars. When we could drive (HS), they had apartments. Essentially men (creeps, perverts, child rapists) were preying on children BECAUSE THEY COULDN’T GET A DATE WITH GIRLS WOMEN THEIR OWN AGE.

perroviejo on December 15, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Isn’t Kansas the home of “killer-Tiller,” the abortionist who lives in a gated community and has a penchant for being particularly indifferent to human life?

BKennedy on December 15, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Yep. A chief political contributor to the current governor Kathleen Sebelius, another phony Catholic who pushes abortion and still thinks it’s cool to partake in the Eucharist at Mass.

Another ‘catholic’ politician who will get a big surprise when they leave this world.

Sapwolf on December 15, 2008 at 5:00 PM

“the abortionist …………….has a penchant for being particularly indifferent to human life?”

Isn’t that a redundant statment?

“Murder is never justified” True, but not all killing is murder.

rayvet on December 15, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I was talking about what I would do in the event that they tried to outlaw religion. In which case killing them would be neither murder nor evil, but rather self-defense and the defense of innocents. Keep in mind that every last one of these satans wants to abort your children and to force you to accept it.

Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 5:02 PM

OK, I know the tape is clipped, but I am missing something here. If the PP nurse sent the kid away to have here abortion someplace else, what was the motive for her or PP to risk prison on this? They didn’t get the money, and they didn’t help the PP keep it’s doors open. It appears that the crimnal act by the nurse was gratuitous, and almost instictive rather than motivated by greed or any sense of duty. She for some reason did not want a child molester she did not even know to go to jail. All that comes through in the film. My quetion is “Why?” That seems odd to me, unless it is SOP at PP to avoid contact with law enforcemnt as a first option.

MikeA on December 15, 2008 at 5:03 PM

One thing you can tell from this is that this is a procedure by Planned Parenthood to break the law. It is eerily procedural in the way the PP worker handles it.

I know she is not really pregnant, but would the baby get to call for a lawyer before they are murdered?

Illinois, the Promised Land. I’m sure there is a ‘shelf’ for the baby being prepared now.

Sick evil people these PP’ers.

Sapwolf on December 15, 2008 at 5:04 PM

OK, I know the tape is clipped, but I am missing something here. If the PP nurse sent the kid away to have here abortion someplace else, what was the motive for her or PP to risk prison on this? They didn’t get the money, and they didn’t help the PP keep it’s doors open. It appears that the crimnal act by the nurse was gratuitous, and almost instictive rather than motivated by greed or any sense of duty. She for some reason did not want a child molester she did not even know to go to jail. All that comes through in the film. My quetion is “Why?” That seems odd to me, unless it is SOP at PP to avoid contact with law enforcemnt as a first option.

MikeA on December 15, 2008 at 5:03 PM

By sending her to Illinois, they can perform the abortion and make revenue for PP.

It’s the money. The harvest.

Sapwolf on December 15, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Unlike you, I don’t intend to roll over and die for these cowardly perverts. I intend to use my 2nd Amendment freedoms to end their evil rule.

Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Using the 2nd amendment in anything but a purely defensive capacity is only a step short of suicidal in today’s America.

But if you truly intend to be the next Mad Bomber – take a tip from a privacy freak and don’t advertise your intentions out on the unsecured web.

Dark-Star on December 15, 2008 at 5:06 PM

I was talking about what I would do in the event that they tried to outlaw religion. In which case killing them would be neither murder nor evil, but rather self-defense and the defense of innocents.

Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Then yes, that would be different. I thought you were talking about killing Planned Parenthood people as referenced by your firebombing comment.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Since, the woman was not underage and not pregnant, there is no obstruction of justice.

Blake on December 15, 2008 at 5:08 PM

I didn’t say I was going to firebomb or shoot them, but seeing the way they are, I find it hard to accept that killing them is anything other than justifiable homicide. And quite frankly, I hope that they do try to ban religions–specifically, try to ban them soon, before the American people are “ready for it”–so we can kill them sooner rather than later. I’m not going to mince words–I hate them.

Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 5:12 PM

I didn’t say I was going to firebomb or shoot them, but seeing the way they are, I find it hard to accept that killing them is anything other than justifiable homicide.

Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Then for your own sake, take your anger at them out on some dummy versions of them and pray like the world will end tomorrow.

It might help.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Isn’t Kansas the home of “killer-Tiller,” the abortionist who lives in a gated community and has a penchant for being particularly indifferent to human life?

BKennedy on December 15, 2008 at 3:30 PM

That would be him, and who was the target of the AG/DA Kline’s investigation.

Probably because Kansas has a Democrat Governor, Kathleen Sebelius. Under Republican Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana, the investigation can go on.

While Queen Kathy definitely didn’t help the investigation, the media here portrayed him as a Anti-abortion zealot on a crusade to have Roe overturned. And as a result, in his re-election bid for Johnson County (my home) DA, Kline was abandoned by the Republicans in the primary. Fortunately a Republican won the general but still, we can’t win this when we eat our own.

Rogue on December 15, 2008 at 5:17 PM

You can bet this isn’t an isolated incident either.

nickj116 on December 15, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Second nail in the coffin. Not only racist but also abbettors of pedophilia.

I’m guessing that California will pass the “parental notification” law the next time around. PP has provided the correct ammunition to produce the correct size and shape of a mortal self-inflicted wound.

unclesmrgol on December 15, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Whaddaya suppose the lefties are gonna do when they’re finally told that Margaret Sanger intended Planned Parenthood as a method of sterilizing black people?

warbaby on December 15, 2008 at 5:37 PM

I kinda figured that. I just mean that this won’t necessarily affect abortion in general.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

It might stop one of the worst abuses of abortion. Since abortion is a constitutionally protected right, that’s the best conservatives can do. Just to anticipate the usual screeching (not from you) about the constitutionality of abortion: until Republicans manage to appoint 5 judges who will overturn Roe, it’s constitutionally protected. Hopefully everyone can at least recognize the extreme improbability of that ever happening with any Senate that has enough Democrats to filibuster.

RightOFLeft on December 15, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Had the young girl say that she was made pregnant by her Catholic priest, liberals would on board for this.

kurtzz3 on December 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Since, the woman was not underage and not pregnant, there is no obstruction of justice.

Blake on December 15, 2008 at 5:08 PM

One wonders.

I’m betting that Planned Parenthood knows exactly what happened to Becky Bell — just as they know exactly what happened to this teenager.

I leave it to the prosecutors, and hope you are very, very, wrong.

unclesmrgol on December 15, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Hopefully everyone can at least recognize the extreme improbability of that ever happening with any Senate that has enough Democrats to filibuster.

RightOFLeft on December 15, 2008 at 5:41 PM

I’ve come to accept that. And with abortion so much a fabric of our society, I’m not certain I want it illegal anyway. I’d rather we could just phase it out culturally and one day look back on it with horror the way we have so many other things in our past.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM

There is NO CONTEXT that can exonerate this vile wench’s statements and actions here!

And as the evidence from HUNDREDS of recorded phone calls to Planned Parenthood all across the nation demonstrate this advice given by PP staffers indicates that they are giving them COMMON ADVICE they have given before to young girls the same age and in the same circumstance.

Planned Barrenhood must be fully investigated and shut down immediately. The Conservatives in the USA must come together and focus on this effort if we are to fight for and reclaim the moral highground in the USA.

If any Democrats are seen or heard defending Planned Barrenhood’s actions this will help sink the Democrat party.

TheMightyQuinn on December 15, 2008 at 5:54 PM

There is a good chance this legal challenge will be aborted…

right2bright on December 15, 2008 at 6:26 PM

I leave it to the prosecutors, and hope you are very, very, wrong.

unclesmrgol on December 15, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Well, I’m not. Again, she was neither a minor nor pregnant. Therefore, there was no crime. And since no crime was being investigated, there was no obstruction.

Blake on December 15, 2008 at 6:43 PM

The girls wasn’t 13, and she wasn’t pregnant. Any judge would throw the tape out as evidence. Then there is no case.

B26354 on December 15, 2008 at 6:44 PM

I’ve come to accept that. And with abortion so much a fabric of our society, I’m not certain I want it illegal anyway. I’d rather we could just phase it out culturally and one day look back on it with horror the way we have so many other things in our past.

Esthier on December 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM

That’s exactly how the Democrats felt about slavery. Of course, they had no timetable, which is kind of weird, because I always thought Democrats are big on time tables.

unclesmrgol on December 15, 2008 at 6:48 PM

This is a productive way to fight abortion. The UCLA student should be proud of her initiative and cleverness.

Indeed she should, and her courage. I would have never had the balls to do this.

Kudos to her.

Bob's Kid on December 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Well, I’m not. Again, she was neither a minor nor pregnant. Therefore, there was no crime. And since no crime was being investigated, there was no obstruction.

Blake on December 15, 2008 at 6:43 PM

You just call up the AG in Indiana and tell him that. The investigation will undoubtedly be quashed immediately as soon as they figure out who’s on the other end of the line.

unclesmrgol on December 15, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Whats really, really messed up is I’m sure the nurse thought she was doing the right thing and helping the girl out. And based on the pervasiveness of abortion proponents out there, I don’t think she is alone.

How skewed does your moral compass have to be to think this is acceptable?

VolMagic on December 15, 2008 at 6:56 PM

if bill ayers was bombing it it would be ok
i guess total moral decrepitude is ok as long as liberals are doing it, why is it so hard to get action in my home state? Lets pass a “Be responsible for yourself” law that makes us all responsible for our own actions.

hmmmmmm…….maybe all the democrats would move out.

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on December 15, 2008 at 7:56 PM

The ones who want to protect their sexual predator, pervert boyfriends, that is, let’s think of their feelings.

That’s what is so sickening! How many child rapists have these people aided? IF this is as it appears (and this has actually happened to <14 year olds), that woman is equivalent to a child rapist in my eyes since she not only allows them to get away with doing what they’re doing, she aids in covering it up.

She’s supposed to be the adult looking out for the best interests of her child-patient. Instead she tells the child to do what’s in the best interests of the rapist, keeping her in the same situation where she can continue to be abused.

Simply disgusting!

taznar on December 15, 2008 at 8:25 PM

If parents are on the hook financially and legally for their children, why are these people permitted to maneuver around the parents?

You can’t give a child an aspirin without the parent’s position, but you can perform surgery without informing the parents.

Ridiculous. Planned Parenthood deserves to be sued to the point that they can’t fund a box of condoms and the pieces of garbage who work for them become hobos.

NoDonkey on December 15, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Blake on December 15, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Health care providers are mandated reporters. They have a legal obligation to immediately report any crimes against children they become aware of, even if it’s only a suspicion of child abuse. That threshold was clearly crossed in this video, and the PP employee violated the law by not immediately reporting this to law enforcement. The fact that this was in reality an undercover sting does not relieve the PP employee of her obligations under the mandated reporter law; it would only provide a means to unfound the allegations of child abuse.

sgt_rich on December 15, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Holy Fu**ing shi*! That was very disturbing to say the least! That woman should do some time behind bars. I hate Planned Parenthood. They are nothing but baby killers! Yes, some get birth control, and yada yada…. But they don’t blink twice to suggest an abortion. That goes to show you that that Woman didn’t care about that little girl. I am steamed. She didn’t follow one Law! Not one! Guess this is what we will be seeing more of. When The One is in.

sheebe on December 16, 2008 at 1:14 AM

Well, I’m not. Again, she was neither a minor nor pregnant. Therefore, there was no crime. And since no crime was being investigated, there was no obstruction.

I’ll point out that the police run internet sting operations all the time posing as 14 year olds to suck pedophiles in.

They ARE arrested and procecuted and sent to jail so this is a very legal tactic.

gdonovan on December 16, 2008 at 5:48 AM

Lila Rose was interviewed by Laura Ingraham a few days ago (last Thursday?). The girl has been working this sting operation for some time and PP even has her picture up at their clinics now to try and thwart her.

As with any sting operation, the person doesn’t have to be pregnant or underage in order for PP to be in trouble. An analogy would be having a 23 year old female police officer set up a sting operation for a pedophile. What the perp thinks is “real” and their intent due to that belief is what gets them in trouble.

The reason that the PP employee is trying to get her out of state is due to the parental consent law in Indiana because she’s “13″. If the girl would let someone know that a 31 year old man is the father, than that is statutory rape and the decision is removed from the girl, her parents make the decision. Since the goal of PP is to abort every child that enters their building, that would be counter to their agenda. PP can manipulate the child much more easily by circumventing the law and pressuring her to abort the child. Its like the police policy in some cities where they can’t ask the citizenship status of the person they pull over, thus the perpetrator is free to continue committing crimes in order for the social agenda of the libs to be secure….sickening.

Geministorm on December 16, 2008 at 8:44 AM

I wouldn’t be too hard on the naïve Planned Parenthood lady who is accustomed to being very sympathetic & helpful to young people who trust them and take them into confidence. While sex by adult men with underage girls is criminal, IMO this women, trying not to betray a confidence was essentially entrapped by anti Planned Parenthood forces who calculated that it might be too hard for her to betray the trust of a distraught girl and essentially say to her, “you trusting fool, now I’m going to get your beloved friend locked up”. This undercover ruse seems to me to be not so much an attempt to help prevent unlawful sex but a low trick to hit at the Planned Parent organization.

Chessplayer on December 16, 2008 at 8:48 AM


Someone explain to me again why it’s wrong to firebomb or shoot these garbage.
And please avoid using the word “extreme.” The test of an action is not whether it’s moderate or extreme, but whether it’s right or wrong.
Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Unlike you, I don’t intend to roll over and die for these cowardly perverts. I intend to use my 2nd Amendment freedoms to end their evil rule.
Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 4:38 PM

I didn’t say I was going to firebomb or shoot them, but seeing the way they are, I find it hard to accept that killing them is anything other than justifiable homicide. And quite frankly, I hope that they do try to ban religions–specifically, try to ban them soon, before the American people are “ready for it”–so we can kill them sooner rather than later. I’m not going to mince words–I hate them.

Kenno on December 15, 2008 at 5:12 PM

>>>MOBY ALERT ~ MOBY ALERT ~ MOBY ALERT ~ MOBY ALERT<<<

Ed, people are threatened with being banned for being OT, while here this dope is advocating violence w/o a peep (unless I missed it.

Akzed on December 16, 2008 at 9:14 AM

This undercover ruse seems to me to be not so much an attempt to help prevent unlawful sex but a low trick to hit at the Planned Parent organization.
Chessplayer on December 16, 2008 at 8:48 AM

Wow, that’s just ignorant.

Well, you know that sting operation to entrap that pedophile was just a ruse to trick a loving man who was trying to help out a troubled youth…./idiot

Trapped by anti-PP forces?!? I think the majority of people would call that *EXPOSED*. The PP employee doesn’t want to know that she is 13 and that the “father” is 31 because that would mean she would have to knowingly break the law, which she is because she obviously heard Lila say she was 13 and the man was 31. So, because she doesn’t want to “betray a confidence” that makes it OK to break the law…Newsflash: when a child tells you that a 31 year old is having sex with her, that adult is abusing and exploiting the child and it is your *duty* to report that (even a doctor or psychologist will not keep confidentiality in the case of a crime such as). I don’t know what kind of whacked world you grew up in, but most humans try to protect children from the predators of the world.

And, what makes you think that the PP employee is naive? She’s accustomed to being sympathetic? Let me get this straight, she’s being sympathetic to the *girl* by allowing her to, (a) continue being exploited and abused by a pedophile, (b) sending her out of state secretly to have an operation and (c) kill the fetus that resulted from the rape? The only one that the imbecile (not you, the employee) is being sympathetic to is the perp and her own social ideology that abortion is a good thing.

You may not be pro-life, but if you’re pro-pedophile then you need to be put away. The laws that protect children are in place for a reason, even if morons like you don’t agree with them. The dipshit in the video should be prosecuted for her illegal actions and if this is a common occurrence in PP, then they need to be penalized or shut down.

Geministorm on December 16, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Please forgive my ad hominem attacks on the jerkweek above, I have two young daughters and I can get a little testy on this matter.

Geministorm on December 16, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Please forgive my ad hominem attacks on the jerkweek above, I have two young daughters and I can get a little testy on this matter.
Geministorm on December 16, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Actually, it was not ad hominem. Ad hominem would be to say that a priest can’t argue fairly or factually about abortion because he’s a priest. All you did was expose idiotic reasoning, which is not ad hominem but a service to humanity.

Akzed on December 16, 2008 at 9:30 AM

Ad hominem would be to say that a priest can’t argue fairly or factually about abortion because he’s a priest.

Sorry then. I might have misused “ad hominem”, I think of it as having the approximately the same definition as dictionary.com (see below) although I hesitate to lean on an online source, so that might enlighten as to my mistaken use. Although you’re probably right, there is sufficient evidence for me to make a reasoned determination that the poster is a moron and to expose that trait.

Ad Hominem
1. appealing to one’s prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one’s intellect or reason.

2. attacking an opponent’s character rather than answering his argument.

Geministorm on December 16, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Geministorm,
That was a despicable ad-hominen attack. I have a daughter too and I think a person should be able to make comment on this site deploring certain undercover tactics without being called names. There are, FYI people who want to close down PP and will stop at little or nothing because they provide abortion services, which I happened to think is a worthwhile service for many cases – such as for exploited 13 yr olds who shouldn’t be discouraged from seeking such services.

Having two daughters does not excuse you from acting like an ass.

Chessplayer on December 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM

such as for exploited 13 yr olds who shouldn’t be discouraged from seeking such services.
Chessplayer on December 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM

So, the exploitation is OK? PP serves a purpose for you, that of getting an abortion for the girl. If your daughter were raped by a pedophile, I’m sure that would be your highest priority, “Make sure my daughter has access to an abortion clinic!”. Yep, no need to address the crime, no need to end the exploitation or imprison the rogue…no sirree Bob, I want my daughter to be able to go someplace where they will steer her to get an operation out of state without me knowing about it instead. When she gets back, you can invite over her “boyfriend” for a couple of drinks and then let your daughter spend the night over at his place?

You sir, are a joke. I don’t think you have a daughter, that is a fabrication. No sane person holds their child’s abortion rights above their safety. Any adult, and especially those in the social services and medical fields, have an obligation to protect the child above all else, even if the parents are negligent. The PP in question set up operations in Indiana (my home state, btw). They have to abide by the state laws regardless of what their thoughts about abortion are (parental consent for minors). But beyond that, first and foremost, the **child** has been raped by a predator, the police should have been notified immediately, whereupon a social services program would have leaped into action to serve the girl’s best interests (whether or not her parents were able/willing). Secondly, PP **must** inform the parents if there is going to be an abortion because the girl is a minor. Those are the rules, if you can’t abide by the rules, you can’t do business in that state.

There is a reason that minors are special cases, in case you hadn’t figured that out yet. Maybe when you actually do have kids, you’ll understand that kids will be emotionally scarred for life because of this incident, and not because of the PP employee breaking her trust, but because of the rape.

No one was “tricking” the PP employee into doing anything. It is an expose’ of how the PP operates.

I really don’t give a flip whether you are pro-life, pro-choice, pro-abortion, pro-violin…but being an apologist for a pedophile is not going to sit well with me and I will attack you for that point of view even if it makes me look like an ass.

Geministorm on December 16, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Geministorm,

You are incredibly hysterical to have twisted everything I wrote this way. Obviously by “exploited” I’m saying such girls are sexually abused and indeed I’m in favor of catching these deviant abusers as the next person. I never said or implied otherwise (for clear minds who can read calmly) and questioning methods & motives without having to endure stupid abuse from righteous hysterics like you is the right of any poster. I won’t try to explain all the reasons I consider the undercover ruse too close to entrapment – I don’t think you could comprehend – but to call me an “apologist for a pedophile” is not only unjustified by anything I wrote, it is downright libelous and despicable.

Your libelous post should be removed.

Chessplayer on December 16, 2008 at 3:21 PM

I’m sure you heard exactly what you wished from that video. The “naive” PP employee saying, “Oh, don’t tell me that” meant that she was trying to do what was best for the child, by not betraying her trust…right, that makes a whole lot of sense.

What do you think the “naive” PP employee’s gameplan was here? Let’s examine the events;

– She doesn’t want to hear that the girl is 13.
My explanation is that this means she’s a minor and due to the laws of Indiana, parental consent is mandatory. She also isn’t helping this girl make a “choice”, she’s assuming that abortion is the only way to go. How do you see it differently?

– She doesn’t want to know about or report the 31 year old “boyfriend”.
My explanation is that she doesn’t actually give a gd about this “girl”, she is just trying to help her realize her goal of obtaining an abortion without the law interfering. Having a pedophile involved in the exploitation of a minor would mean that the authorities would (should) be brought in which would, again, bring the parents in on the decision about an abortion for the minor. The employee is allowing the continued exposure of the girl for the sake of an abortion, that isn’t naive, its heartless and inhumane. How do you see it?

– The employee is telling the girl how to get an abortion in Illinois to skirt the laws in Indiana and to avoid informing her parents.
Who leaves a small girl (13 year old) to get herself across the state line with a pedophile? Does this sound sympathetic to you?

I have friends that are nurses, and a mother that’s a psychologist (in Illinois, of all places) and I can assure you that there is no conflict about “betraying a confidence” in this woman’s mind. Training and experience makes it very clear, a child must be removed from those circumstances immediately and at all costs. The reason that minors do not get to have the same rights and responsibilities of an adult is precisely why a social worker/councilor/psychologist/etc. would not worry about betraying their trust. When my 6 year old says that she “loves” a boy named Tommy, do you propose that I should start making wedding plans? They are too inexperienced to understand.

I would suppose that a person in her position would actually see a higher incident rate of such crimes and would know exactly what was expected of her in such a case.
Do not portray the employee as some noble woman with interest in this “girl”, she obviously does not care one iota.

In society, it is the heroes and people that are most responsible for upholding the law and doing what’s right that we hold most accountable for their actions and hence their wrongdoings. Police officers or judges taking bribes, clergy sexually abusing their paritioners, engineers that that cut corners, star athletes cheating, etc. These women at PP are either there to help these young ladies or they are there for something else. If they are there to help, then the greatest help she could give would be to protect this girl, not send her back to the beast that is destroying her. This employee is not only *not* helping, she is actively participating in returning the girl to her situation and making it worse by allowing the child molester to continue unchecked.

She is criminal in her negligence of this “girl” and that is what I find so offensive about your apparent support of her and thus your (her) views on the imaginary pedophile. To forgive the actions of this employee is to condone her actions and to therefore support the continued abuse of this girl…all for the sake of getting her an abortion (because we all know how important *that* is).

Geministorm on December 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM

This undercover ruse seems to me to be not so much an attempt to help prevent unlawful sex but a low trick to hit at the Planned Parent organization.

Chessplayer on December 16, 2008 at 8:48 AM

So, you do not think that this shows a pattern.

Johan Klaus on December 16, 2008 at 5:36 PM