Comments on: Video: Suspicious fire at Palin’s church, $1M damage http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/ The world’s first, full-service conservative Internet broadcast network Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:48:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Video: Suspicious fire at Palin’s church, $1M damage « Top Daily Digest Reading http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1733819 Video: Suspicious fire at Palin’s church, $1M damage « Top Daily Digest Reading Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:25:25 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1733819 [...] Continued here. [...] [...] Continued here. [...]

]]> By: tom http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1725106 tom Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:23:41 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1725106 <blockquote><blockquote> I have worked on quite a few arson cases (yes, I confess, I’m a lawyer, which is why I think ramrock’s comment is so funny), and there are pretty much <strike>three</strike> two kinds from what I gather: Venusian Visitor on December 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM </blockquote> Proof positive! Venusian Visitor on December 16, 2008 at 3:28 PM </blockquote> That was very ... <em>honest </em>.. of you. And you expect us to believe you're a lawyer! /sarc

I have worked on quite a few arson cases (yes, I confess, I’m a lawyer, which is why I think ramrock’s comment is so funny), and there are pretty much three two kinds from what I gather:
Venusian Visitor on December 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Proof positive!

Venusian Visitor on December 16, 2008 at 3:28 PM

That was very … honest .. of you. And you expect us to believe you’re a lawyer!
/sarc

]]> By: ramrocks http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1723241 ramrocks Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:51:22 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1723241 <blockquote>Proof positive! Venusian Visitor on December 16, 2008 at 3:28 PM</blockquote> Nah, you're one of the smart lawyers! ;)

Proof positive!

Venusian Visitor on December 16, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Nah, you’re one of the smart lawyers! ;)

]]> By: Venusian Visitor http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1723165 Venusian Visitor Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:28:12 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1723165 <blockquote>I have worked on quite a few arson cases (yes, I confess, I’m a lawyer, which is why I think ramrock’s comment is so funny), and there are pretty much <strike>three</strike> <strong>two</strong> kinds from what I gather: Impulsive kid-stuff, using materials that are at hand at the scene, and planned-out adult stuff, which is usually more sophisticated. The plan can be motivated by a desire to profit from insurance policies, hatred or revenge, or mental illness. Some of the best arsonists are firemen with a problem. This one was certainly planned out, and it does seem to indicate hatred or revenge in that all the exits appear to have been specifically targeted, even though that increased the arsonist or arsonists’ exposure to being caught. So I think hatred or revenge. Could be political, could be personal, but statistically it will be a young-ish white male. Venusian Visitor on December 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM</blockquote> Proof positive!

I have worked on quite a few arson cases (yes, I confess, I’m a lawyer, which is why I think ramrock’s comment is so funny), and there are pretty much three two kinds from what I gather: Impulsive kid-stuff, using materials that are at hand at the scene, and planned-out adult stuff, which is usually more sophisticated. The plan can be motivated by a desire to profit from insurance policies, hatred or revenge, or mental illness. Some of the best arsonists are firemen with a problem.

This one was certainly planned out, and it does seem to indicate hatred or revenge in that all the exits appear to have been specifically targeted, even though that increased the arsonist or arsonists’ exposure to being caught. So I think hatred or revenge. Could be political, could be personal, but statistically it will be a young-ish white male.

Venusian Visitor on December 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Proof positive!

]]> By: Venusian Visitor http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1723157 Venusian Visitor Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:26:29 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1723157 I have worked on quite a few arson cases (yes, I confess, I'm a lawyer, which is why I think ramrock's comment is so funny), and there are pretty much three kinds from what I gather: Impulsive kid-stuff, using materials that are at hand at the scene, and planned-out adult stuff, which is usually more sophisticated. The plan can be motivated by a desire to profit from insurance policies, hatred or revenge, or mental illness. Some of the best arsonists are firemen with a problem. This one was certainly planned out, and it does seem to indicate hatred or revenge in that all the exits appear to have been specifically targeted, even though that increased the arsonist or arsonists' exposure to being caught. So I think hatred or revenge. Could be political, could be personal, but statistically it will be a young-ish white male. I have worked on quite a few arson cases (yes, I confess, I’m a lawyer, which is why I think ramrock’s comment is so funny), and there are pretty much three kinds from what I gather: Impulsive kid-stuff, using materials that are at hand at the scene, and planned-out adult stuff, which is usually more sophisticated. The plan can be motivated by a desire to profit from insurance policies, hatred or revenge, or mental illness. Some of the best arsonists are firemen with a problem.

This one was certainly planned out, and it does seem to indicate hatred or revenge in that all the exits appear to have been specifically targeted, even though that increased the arsonist or arsonists’ exposure to being caught. So I think hatred or revenge. Could be political, could be personal, but statistically it will be a young-ish white male.

]]> By: ramrocks http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1723142 ramrocks Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:23:26 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1723142 AP has <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/16/video-palin-on-the-wasilla-church-burning/" rel="nofollow">a new Hot Air post </a>up of the interview Palin gave with Greta. AP has a new Hot Air post up of the interview Palin gave with Greta.

]]> By: ramrocks http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1723100 ramrocks Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:12:54 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1723100 <blockquote>upinak on December 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM</blockquote> Makes sense. The fact that the building is only 3 years old is one of the reasons why I never thought the fire was caused by a wiring problem. A fire that size had to be deliberate -- especially since it now seems as if it was lit from the outside.

upinak on December 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Makes sense. The fact that the building is only 3 years old is one of the reasons why I never thought the fire was caused by a wiring problem. A fire that size had to be deliberate — especially since it now seems as if it was lit from the outside.

]]> By: upinak http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1723067 upinak Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:05:05 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1723067 Since the building is only 3 rs old, it had the automatic sprinklers... even though the people were inside the sprinkler in the main entrance did what it was suppose to do and made it able for them to get out. Since the building is only 3 rs old, it had the automatic sprinklers… even though the people were inside the sprinkler in the main entrance did what it was suppose to do and made it able for them to get out.

]]> By: ramrocks http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1723055 ramrocks Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:01:36 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1723055 <blockquote>Accelerant was put all on the outside, and in the enterance as well as the back emergency door. The arson(s) knew there were people inside upinak on December 16, 2008 at 2:55 PM</blockquote> That's what is so awful about it. It looks like they were ready to commit manslaughter. I wonder if it could be related to one of the women inside? upinak, how were they able to get out if the entrances and exits were on fire? Or did they manage to get out in time before the fire spread that far? I think it was apparent to the people on the scene that it was somehow political because why else would they wake up the governor at 1:30 in the morning to warn her. upinak, be sure to keep us updated. Thanks! I'm sending my check to the good folks at the church. I hope they can start rebuilding soon.

Accelerant was put all on the outside, and in the enterance as well as the back emergency door. The arson(s) knew there were people inside

upinak on December 16, 2008 at 2:55 PM

That’s what is so awful about it. It looks like they were ready to commit manslaughter.

I wonder if it could be related to one of the women inside?

upinak, how were they able to get out if the entrances and exits were on fire? Or did they manage to get out in time before the fire spread that far?

I think it was apparent to the people on the scene that it was somehow political because why else would they wake up the governor at 1:30 in the morning to warn her.

upinak, be sure to keep us updated. Thanks! I’m sending my check to the good folks at the church. I hope they can start rebuilding soon.

]]> By: upinak http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1723019 upinak Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:55:20 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1723019 ramrocks on December 16, 2008 at 2:43 PM Nope total arson. Accelerant was put all on the outside, and in the enterance as well as the back emergency door. The arson(s) knew there were people inside since there were vehicle visable in the parking lot as well as lights on inside. I think it is political.... ramrocks on December 16, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Nope total arson. Accelerant was put all on the outside, and in the enterance as well as the back emergency door. The arson(s) knew there were people inside since there were vehicle visable in the parking lot as well as lights on inside.

I think it is political….

]]> By: ramrocks http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722948 ramrocks Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:43:21 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722948 <blockquote>mindhacker on December 16, 2008 at 2:39 PM</blockquote> We know it was an arson. I intend to keep an eye on this story. I really hope that it turns out to be a local firebug nutcase who had no political motives and didn't realize that people were inside. But it seems unlikely that was the case. Firebugs don't tend to target churches for the very reason that "hate crime" legislation exists.

mindhacker on December 16, 2008 at 2:39 PM

We know it was an arson. I intend to keep an eye on this story. I really hope that it turns out to be a local firebug nutcase who had no political motives and didn’t realize that people were inside.

But it seems unlikely that was the case. Firebugs don’t tend to target churches for the very reason that “hate crime” legislation exists.

]]> By: mindhacker http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722931 mindhacker Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:39:17 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722931 So when are we going to call this a hate crime...if it were a certain black church in the city of Chi-town, Al not-so-sharp Sharpton would have his bullhorn out organizing street protests. Perhaps we gave a group of gay terrorists out there spreading hate in the name of love. These people meant to kill other people and cause destruction. So when are we going to call this a hate crime…if it were a certain black church in the city of Chi-town, Al not-so-sharp Sharpton would have his bullhorn out organizing street protests. Perhaps we gave a group of gay terrorists out there spreading hate in the name of love. These people meant to kill other people and cause destruction.

]]> By: ramrocks http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722914 ramrocks Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:36:26 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722914 <blockquote>But I have, which is why I am living in North Carolina…BTW, my daughter is a litigation attorney in So. Cal. right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM</blockquote> LOL! It breaks my heart when sane people leave the state, but at least you left one of your off-springs behind. I'm sure she's one of the good ones. I sat on a jury for two weeks in Hollywood, and the prosecutor was beyond stupid. He was so incompetent that we were embarrassed for him and stunned that he made it out of law school and passed the bar. It ended up being a hung jury because half of us thought that the defendant really did what he was he accused of (which was nothing major really) and the other half felt that the prosecution didn't present a clear case and therefore refused to fill in the blanks for the state because our system of justice "presumes innocence" and the state didn't do an adequate job proving guilt.

But I have, which is why I am living in North Carolina…BTW, my daughter is a litigation attorney in So. Cal.

right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM

LOL! It breaks my heart when sane people leave the state, but at least you left one of your off-springs behind. I’m sure she’s one of the good ones.

I sat on a jury for two weeks in Hollywood, and the prosecutor was beyond stupid. He was so incompetent that we were embarrassed for him and stunned that he made it out of law school and passed the bar. It ended up being a hung jury because half of us thought that the defendant really did what he was he accused of (which was nothing major really) and the other half felt that the prosecution didn’t present a clear case and therefore refused to fill in the blanks for the state because our system of justice “presumes innocence” and the state didn’t do an adequate job proving guilt.

]]> By: Venusian Visitor http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722904 Venusian Visitor Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:34:24 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722904 <blockquote>I’ve met some really stupid lawyers. ramrocks on December 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM</blockquote> That may qualify as the understatement of the century! <a href="http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/vigilantefromvenus/lolcat.jpg" rel="nofollow"></a>

I’ve met some really stupid lawyers.

ramrocks on December 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM

That may qualify as the understatement of the century!

]]> By: right2bright http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722652 right2bright Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:40:37 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722652 <blockquote>Either that or you’ve never had to serve on a jury in southern California. ;) ramrocks on December 16, 2008 at 1:25 PM</blockquote> But I have, which is why I am living in North Carolina...BTW, my daughter is a litigation attorney in So. Cal.

Either that or you’ve never had to serve on a jury in southern California. ;)

ramrocks on December 16, 2008 at 1:25 PM

But I have, which is why I am living in North Carolina…BTW, my daughter is a litigation attorney in So. Cal.

]]> By: ramrocks http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722607 ramrocks Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:25:39 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722607 <blockquote>right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM</blockquote> Either that or you've never had to serve on a jury in southern California. ;)

right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Either that or you’ve never had to serve on a jury in southern California. ;)

]]> By: right2bright http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722598 right2bright Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:24:18 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722598 <blockquote>Creepy. Maybe we should ask where he was Friday night. ramrocks on December 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM</blockquote> He was probably enjoying his Cheetos...and upinak knows what I am referring to...

Creepy. Maybe we should ask where he was Friday night.

ramrocks on December 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM

He was probably enjoying his Cheetos…and upinak knows what I am referring to…

]]> By: right2bright http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722595 right2bright Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:23:03 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722595 <blockquote>I’ve met some really stupid lawyers. ramrocks on December 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM</blockquote> I haven't, so maybe Canada has a lower standard?

I’ve met some really stupid lawyers.

ramrocks on December 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM

I haven’t, so maybe Canada has a lower standard?

]]> By: ramrocks http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722578 ramrocks Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:17:31 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722578 <blockquote>he just doesn’t strike me as being that smart to make it through law school. right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 11:42 AM</blockquote> I've met some really stupid lawyers.

he just doesn’t strike me as being that smart to make it through law school.

right2bright on December 16, 2008 at 11:42 AM

I’ve met some really stupid lawyers.

]]> By: ramrocks http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722563 ramrocks Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:12:04 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722563 <blockquote>upinak on December 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM</blockquote> Creepy. Maybe we should ask where he was Friday night.

upinak on December 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Creepy. Maybe we should ask where he was Friday night.

]]> By: right2bright http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722241 right2bright Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:42:12 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722241 <blockquote>Benny …. you are not an Alaskan. You sure aren’t from Anchorage or Wasilla and you stalking the Gov is getting quite interesting. I have sent this to the Gov. Office. They think you are a certain lawyer who has been stalking Sarah. Interesting. upinak on December 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM</blockquote> I think he is from Canada...or that is what he claims. I doubt he is an attorney, his thoughts are not very coherent, and he just doesn't strike me as being that smart to make it through law school.

Benny …. you are not an Alaskan. You sure aren’t from Anchorage or Wasilla and you stalking the Gov is getting quite interesting.

I have sent this to the Gov. Office. They think you are a certain lawyer who has been stalking Sarah. Interesting.

upinak on December 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM

I think he is from Canada…or that is what he claims.
I doubt he is an attorney, his thoughts are not very coherent, and he just doesn’t strike me as being that smart to make it through law school.

]]> By: chunderroad http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722222 chunderroad Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:36:24 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722222 <blockquote>upinak on December 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM</blockquote> Jeez. You never know what you'll find on the internet. I need a shower now.

upinak on December 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Jeez. You never know what you’ll find on the internet. I need a shower now.

]]> By: upinak http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1722211 upinak Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:32:42 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1722211 <blockquote>Those tourists are more likely to see Russia from Juneau — sarah only recently (last week) set foot in Juneau for the first time since August. benny shakar on December 16, 2008 at 1:25 AM</blockquote> Benny .... you are not an Alaskan. You sure aren't from Anchorage or Wasilla and you stalking the Gov is getting quite interesting. I have sent this to the Gov. Office. They think you are a certain lawyer who has been stalking Sarah. Interesting.

Those tourists are more likely to see Russia from Juneau — sarah only recently (last week) set foot in Juneau for the first time since August.

benny shakar on December 16, 2008 at 1:25 AM

Benny …. you are not an Alaskan. You sure aren’t from Anchorage or Wasilla and you stalking the Gov is getting quite interesting.

I have sent this to the Gov. Office. They think you are a certain lawyer who has been stalking Sarah. Interesting.

]]> By: BKennedy http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1721890 BKennedy Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:42:25 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1721890 Now now, An Era of Hate, benny shakar isn't insane, it is everyone else who is. On earth. Everywhere. Doesn't help that Benito Shakar is Canadian. Now now, An Era of Hate, benny shakar isn’t insane, it is everyone else who is. On earth. Everywhere.

Doesn’t help that Benito Shakar is Canadian.

]]> By: An Era of Hate http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/14/video-suspicious-fire-at-palins-church-1m-damage/comment-page-5/#comment-1721618 An Era of Hate Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:49:06 +0000 http://hotair.com/?p=37483#comment-1721618 Trust me, your sources huff hate and daily hate pale in comparison with that source. Now when are you going to get over your sick hate obsession with the governor..I hope soon because after the comments about how you wished the governor was killed instead of the turkey a weeks ago, I have started to get worried about the Governor's safety. Get help before you do something stupid... I am serious. <blockquote> Bellevue Hospital Center 462 First Avenue New York, New York 10016 General Information: (212) 562-1000 </blockquote> Trust me, your sources huff hate and daily hate pale in comparison with that source.

Now when are you going to get over your sick hate obsession with the governor..I hope soon because after the comments about how you wished the governor was killed instead of the turkey a weeks ago, I have started to get worried about the Governor’s safety.

Get help before you do something stupid… I am serious.

Bellevue Hospital Center
462 First Avenue
New York, New York 10016
General Information: (212) 562-1000

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