Video: Suspicious fire at Palin’s church, $1M damage
posted at 7:53 am on December 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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A fire broke out at the Wasilla Bible Church yesterday while a group of women worked on crafts inside, all of whom escaped without injury. The church itself sustained an estimated one million dollars worth of damage, and investigators say that the fire looks like arson:
Gov. Sarah Palin’s home church has been badly damaged in a suspicious fire.
Larry Kroon, the pastor of the Wasilla Bible Church, estimates damages at more than $1 million to the church. …
Palin spokesman Bill McAllister said the governor stopped by the church Saturday morning and apologized if the incident was related to her.
In a written statement McAllister said Palin, “told an assistant pastor that she apologizes if the incident is in any way connected to the undeserved negative attention the church has received since she became a vice presidential candidate on Aug. 29. Whatever the motives of the arsonist, the governor has faith in the scriptural passage that what was intended for evil will in some way be used for good.”
It’s too early to know whether the fire has anything to do with Sarah Palin’s candidacy. Unfortunately, churches and other places of worship get attacked by nutcases for a wide variety of irrational reasons, and one cannot predict what made these nuts set fire to this Wasilla church. In one sense, it seems odd that the attack would come now, after the election, when passions have cooled somewhat and the Governor has returned to work.
Thankfully, the alarm and sprinkler systems did their job — an area of some expertise for me. They’re designed to save lives, and the women in the crafts group were at serious risk of injury or death without them. Too many older buildings skip or skimp on such systems, occasionally with tragic results. This church was built three years ago, and we can see how these building requirements work to save lives.
Hopefully, the police in Wasilla will catch the perpetrator(s) and we will know what their motivation was very quickly. Until then, regardless of your denomination, let’s keep the congregation of the Wasilla Bible Church in our prayers. If they have any fundraisers, we’ll revisit the story to get Hot Air readers involved.
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OK folks, let me post that in the correct thread.
Sekhmet on December 14, 2008 at 1:19 AM
I really enjoy a good, vigorous tete-a-tete. But you are simply a liar, unable to substantiate any portion of that absurd allegation. I would pay good money to see you try in earnest to back up what you’ve stated.
Your statement does, however, give me some insight into how easily and effictively one can twist perception to conform to their limited scope of reality.
Reboot dude, you’re running on unsafe mode.
The Race Card on December 14, 2008 at 1:26 AM
It appears Levi Johnston will do anything to get outta that shotgun wedding!
Noneya on December 14, 2008 at 2:51 AM
The Palin family should have the wedding at that church. God protected the folks inside during the attack. Even though
there was damage to the church, the true church which are the
peoplewere protected.
I trust God will watch over the Palin family..and Palin.
dec5 on December 14, 2008 at 7:09 AM
Ed can you port/merge/whatever the proper bloody term is all the other comments from the Headlines Thread about the same topic into here?
I believe this is it: http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=25655
SgtSVJones on December 14, 2008 at 8:04 AM
God was definitely protecting the folks in the church, the money cost is secondary.
dec5 on December 14, 2008 at 8:11 AM
Can you set fire to a church associated with a vice-presidential candidate in a small town and get away with it? My guess is no. Footprints int he snow, forensic evidence connecting the perpetrator(s) to the method of ignition, small town gossip, the relatively short list of possible suspects without an alibi, etc. I think all these things along with the spotlight effect caused by Palin’s connection to the church will work to bring those responsible to justice pretty quickly.
D0WNT0WN on December 14, 2008 at 8:12 AM
Glad they are all ok, and the pastor’s exactly right – it’s just a building. Churches are important to parishioners, sometimes too important, but they are just buildings.
As for the “who”s and the “why”s, I urge caution.
I remember the hysteria whipped up by the leftists during Clinton’s presidency, claiming that white racists had engaged in a campaign of “burning black churches”. It was a hoax by delusional nitwits made up out of whole cloth, and nearly every legitimate fire ended up being attributed to either accidents or faulty wiring, or insurance fraud by the pastors or members of the churches, which was the largest single cause.
I don’t want to point a finger at anyone on this.
Jaibones on December 14, 2008 at 8:12 AM
Wasilla Bible Church
1651 W Nicola Ave
Wasilla,AK 99654
lizzee on December 14, 2008 at 8:12 AM
Don’t tell me there’s not a lot of evil still focused on Gov. Palin.
DoctorDentons on December 14, 2008 at 8:16 AM
We need to let the authorities do their jobs, but if this is a case of political terrorism, then those who committed this act need to be made an example of.
Matt Helm on December 14, 2008 at 8:22 AM
Muyoso I suspected it was caused by your obese thighs rubbing together. Were you wearing your bright orange corduroy pants on the day of the fire?
How many times did your mama warn you?
Jamson64 on December 14, 2008 at 8:36 AM
It that The Race Card making threats?
Hey Black Dude show how tough blacks are.
Stop taking handouts.
Beg or threaten, they are still handouts.
IlikedAUH2O on December 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM
I too am sympathetic to the excesses displayed among “Christians”. I think your analogy comparing the Wassila church to Mother Theresa is off base. She was called to a different mission than the members of this church. Working families cannot live among the poor when they are trying to create a stable environment for their children. The Mother Theresa’s of the world go into poor areas so the people can find hope and eventually build their communities into the type we find in Wassila. They would naturally build the facilities they need to strengthen their community…such as classrooms, offices, and other amenities that help them make the best use of the funds the church collects. Staffing of the offices is a requirement for an efficiently run organization so that the monies collected are not eaten up in wasteful habits.
My main complaint is levied toward the pastors who wear Rolex’s and drive luxury cars. Those guys have totally lost the purpose of their calling.
csdeven on December 14, 2008 at 8:51 AM
Good points. The libs are forever jumping the guy as to the whys and wherefores of things. Let’s wait for the experts to do their job and then blame those responsible.
My guess would be clueless kids but I’ll wait and see too.
Mojave Mark on December 14, 2008 at 8:53 AM
McCallister is Mrs. Palin’s spokesperson.
We witness Faith, one of Mrs. Palin’s many virtues in addition to her courage, honesty, loyalty, self-discipline, compassion and perseverance.
I’m sure the Wasilla Bible Church will have many expenses beyond what insurance will cover this Christmas season. Let’s help.
gracie on December 14, 2008 at 8:58 AM
$100 bucks says if they catch the person they will not charge him with a hate crime.
JeffinSac on December 14, 2008 at 8:59 AM
TeamSarah.org may know about fundraising for church.
Speculation…..Proposition 8 (gay) really hate Sarah. Could this be their little salute to Sarah and her values. Marriage only between a man and a woman.
By the way, the same thing Hill and O offered up.
nondhimmie on December 14, 2008 at 9:01 AM
If you cannot concede the point that minorities do get preferential treatment without demanding he name chapter and verse cases, then you just aren’t paying attention.
The point is, and I think you already made it, is that no group is immune from bigoted treatment. Fat people, handicapped people, and “ginger” people, are all judged by issues other than skin color. Yet, we have a political juggernaut fueled by the perpetration of white guilt. Where is the skinny guilt? Physically perfect and mentally cognizant guilt? How about the non-redhead guilt? Those political machines don’t exist and yet I’d bet they out number the minorities who are discriminated against to the extent that it is simply poo-pooed when it is seen.
Minorities who still cling to the belief that institutional racism is alive and well are doing a dis-service to themselves and the people they claim to be wanting to help.
csdeven on December 14, 2008 at 9:01 AM
JeffinSac…I will pass.
Jamson64 on December 14, 2008 at 9:03 AM
1 million???
Excuse my skepticism but a cinder block building, doesn’t quite look like Notre Dame.
Lonetown on December 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM
The Antitheistocracy at its best…..
DL13 on December 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM
That’s right, JeffinSac…no hate crime civil laws cover either sex and they are pretty short on white people. But hey, I’ll take that bet, lose right now but send the $100 to:
Pastor Larry Kroon
Wasilla Bible Church
1651 W Nicola Ave
Wasilla,AK 99654
gracie on December 14, 2008 at 9:08 AM
Buildings cost money – regardless of how simple they may be. If you look at the current building (and watched the interviews with the pastor during the election filmed inside) it is obvious that this is not a church that spends huge amounts on a building. I would venture to say that there is more damage inside then the outside picture shows. This is not a small church – some where around 3000 people worship there, attending a church that size myself, if a fire were to damage the main portion of our building, it would easily cause a million dollars worth of damage. That does not mean that they spent a million to build it in the first place, just the estimated value of what was lost.
Jumping to conclusions about Christians because because their building suffered a million dollars worth of damage is ridiculous.
Govgirl on December 14, 2008 at 9:19 AM
Amen brother!
If this is proven to be arson it could carry attempted murder charges with it. Ladies inside working and the fire was set in the entry? Sick people!
conservnut on December 14, 2008 at 9:20 AM
It’s a big new church (1000 people show up for Sunday service alone) with a probably a hefty few million dollar mortgage. The fire went inbetween the stone walls where the wooden frame is and took a long time to extinguish. It makes it like an oven melting electrical wiring, pipes, etc. The structure will have to be dismantled in part to assess the damage. The issue will be how much $ it will take to restore the church structure.
The people who set it were professionals and knew that their arson would be hidden in the walls with much damage done before anyone realized it. It’s not easy to start a fire like this one and you know that’s what the fire marshall is thinking. I bet it was going on for at least an hour before the people in the church realized it.
gracie on December 14, 2008 at 9:24 AM
It’s a big building, it holds computers and equipment and everything costs more in Alaska. Don’t you think you are sweating the small stuff?
Cindy Munford on December 14, 2008 at 9:25 AM
TARP check written before the smoke cleared.
FireBlogger on December 14, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Yes because skinny people as a group were lynched, enslaved, and prevented from voting in America. The worst part is that you probably think you are speaking truth to power and making some sort of original point by blaming minorities for their troubles. Trust me, that’s a well-worn path.
crr6 on December 14, 2008 at 9:39 AM
What percent of blacks elgible to vote are now prevented from voting?
What percent of blacks in AMERICA as opposed to Africa are now enslaved?
It is a rare case that blacks are lynched . Likely skinny people, gay people, handicapped people are essentially lynched these days as much as black.
Your comment only serves to assist those that use the pains of their ancestors to have an excuse in life
Jamson64 on December 14, 2008 at 9:47 AM
From your post it is not surprising you could not figure why.
Wade on December 14, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Sorry, but that line was already taken
maynila on December 14, 2008 at 9:48 AM
By Judas. But obviously you are a lib who wants to take other people’s money and give it to the “poor”
maynila on December 14, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Jesus Christ, how did this thread get about race?
Just take a breath, people…because it is embarassing.
jimmy the notable on December 14, 2008 at 9:51 AM
You’re right.
crr6 on December 14, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Like Rev. Wright and his $1,000,000 dollar mansion, paid for BY HIS CHURCH? That money could have gone to the poor.
He is, after all, the spiritual mentor to Obama. Nice to know where his values lie.
jimmy the notable on December 14, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Laughable
Jamson64 on December 14, 2008 at 10:02 AM
So….a Church (which is actually the group of people attending) cannot “morally” build a building to worship in……..but Al Gore can morally build a house which sucks up 20x the norm in energy, and a Leftist has no problem defending that action
Really can a democrat be put to shame….they think B.Frank gay bordello in his basement was a cute joke….
sbark on December 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM
.
Colin Powell better be writing a big check to the restoration fund. His remarks were clearly inflammatory.
Mark30339 on December 14, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Interesting point Mark.
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/135536
Jamson64 on December 14, 2008 at 10:08 AM
More pictures of the church here. It includes one prior to the fire….appears not too grand.
http://www.adn.com/photos/v-gallery/story/622409.html?/1521/gallery/622382-a622394-t3.html
Jamson64 on December 14, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Let me remind you, lest you have forgotten, that in past times, truth can and has taken severe beatings and harm at the behest of evil. Truth is not decided by such miracles, but I do believe God was watching over these women, and as someone else said part of that “watching over” was the fact that someone wisely added the safety equipment that enhances our lives.
Noelie on December 14, 2008 at 10:17 AM
What are you suggesting? … appears you have hidden agenda
Wade on December 14, 2008 at 10:18 AM
I’m sure it was some tree-hugging environmentalists who attempted to send the church up in a ball of flames to protest Palin’s dismissal of the dangers of global warming.
:)
Shy Guy on December 14, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Religious leaders tend to get corrupted.
Look at Algor and his carbon credits.
Now, granted, it’s easy to sucker Americans with the global warming scam, ever since our education system turned to crap.
But still, being easy doesn’t make it right.
Algor put himself together a nice flock of rubes and soaked them for all they were worth.
All hail Algor!
jeff_from_mpls on December 14, 2008 at 10:23 AM
No, several posters are unhappy with the financial cost of the church and think the money could have been better spent then a building.
Cindy Munford on December 14, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Our churches are burning. We must riot!
tlynch001 on December 14, 2008 at 10:35 AM
That’s because your line came straight from him. Say, “ho, ho, ho” and people will call you Santa.
While I understand your complaint more than I understand a complaint about spending money on a building, I still think you’re off base.
I thought conservatives were under the opinion that there is nothing wrong with making money. Isn’t that why we value capitalism?
Why are some professions more deserving of the money than a pastor? Does a lawyer really do more to deserve wealth than someone in the business of bringing people to Christ?
If a pastor is supposed to live in rags in order to give every dime to the poor than so are all Christians. Money wasted on a computer is money that could have gone to the poor, right?
Esthier on December 14, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Wade-
Cindy’s right on.
Palin’s church in the grand scheme of things looks fairly simple and reserved.
Jamson64 on December 14, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Obama Deification Syndrome is far more thoroughgoing and harmful.
Are these the 52’s that were so overflowing with love on Nov 5?
So are all those nice atheists and agnostics who do everything out of the overflowing goodness of their hearts, and not because some Old Man in the Sky threatens them with hell.
ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 10:41 AM
The church is not the building but the Holy Spirit that lives in the hearts of it’s members. Buildings can be replaced and this one will be, and the ‘Church’ be will stronger for it.
thomasaur on December 14, 2008 at 10:41 AM
I work with the kind of scum that will think nothing of this incident. I have never in my life seen so much hatred toward another human being or group of human beings. If this had been a fire at Obamas church, they would want a day of National mourning.
johnnyU on December 14, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Luckily, Jesus didn’t think being wealthy, and preaching the word were people that had “lost the purpose”
Lazarus, whom Jesus raised from the dead, was one of the wealthiest and most influential, but he also carried the Word. After being raised from the dead (great friend to have), he carried on his mission’s…yet still wore his “Rolex”.
I don’t think being wealthy, and living in luxury is one of the “black marks”, but that is what many have been taught…you can be wealthy, live a comfortable life, and be faithful…the public schools have done well.
right2bright on December 14, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Rev. Wright’s mansion, now that is a firetrap. The filthy white man’s mcmansion.
nondhimmie on December 14, 2008 at 10:43 AM
I’ll tell ya, though. One thing that amazes me about this site is the interest shown in someone who is supposed to be so stupid and irrelevant and downright poison. Especially from the resident libs who haven’t had too much to say about Blago.
ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 10:45 AM
And there would be marches, federal investigation, hate crimes charged, and on and on…
The vitriol towards Palin is like nothing I have ever seen…ever. It is either love her, or absolutely despise her to the bone.
What has she done to polarize people? She was a common person, seeking office…the worst thing in the world, an ordinary person running for office…
right2bright on December 14, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Yes, it reminds me of the anger some atheists have towards something that doesn’t exist.
If Palin is not a threat, or is so incompetent, why worry about her?
Good point.
right2bright on December 14, 2008 at 10:48 AM
I am so glad the fags and libturds are so tolerant that the people inside were allowed to get out alive.
bill30097 on December 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM
He is just repeating a “line” that has been fed to him all his life…no substance in reality or fact, it just “sounds right”.
Pastors are like any other man, some indulge, and some don’t…you are measured by your fruits that you bare, someone once said…
right2bright on December 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Another sick sack of excrement heard from. Again, I am so glad the fags and libturds are so tolerant that the people inside were allowed to get out alive.
bill30097 on December 14, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Well, he should’ve burned down the Palin residence then, with all the Palins inside. It would have taken care of 2 birds with one stone: he could’ve gotten out of the marriage, and could’ve been instantly lionized by the likes of you.
We need to withhold that sort of talk til we know more about the situation.
ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Actually, we need to refrain from that sort of talk, period.
ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 11:02 AM
How about letting us know that it definitely IS arson before the speculations.
bridgetown on December 14, 2008 at 11:08 AM
oh the irony. How sad.
bridgetown on December 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Let’s also remember the cost of building in Alaska is enormous. Think of a state equal to one quarter of the land mass of the continental United States with a scattered population. It has only 670,000 people, ranking it 47th in the United States. In contrast, the District of Columbia has 582,000.
Thanks for posting the address of the church lizzee.
itsspideyman on December 14, 2008 at 11:18 AM
FOX NEWS just reported that investigators are saying that it is arson.
William Ayers says it’s just harmless vandalism.
TooTall on December 14, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Don’t use Google anymore… http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/12/googlewashing_revisited/
Those in my circle of contacts have been complaining about Google for a couple of years,
now it’s confirmed that Google has an agenda in what comes up on their search engine.
We have been using Dogpile and Yahoo search engines. If anyone knows of a better
choice, please share it with us.
reshas1 on December 14, 2008 at 11:25 AM
I sincerely hope was random act of inhumanity and not politically motivated.
That said, I can’t help but think this is where the vitriolic atmosphere of American politics will ultimately take us. Somehow we have come to a place where policy differences become tied to a kind of visceral hatred which invites the unhinged to take violent actions against those they disagree with. If we cannot disagree without demonizing each other, the very foundations of our democracy and our society as a whole are in jeopardy.
jasetaro on December 14, 2008 at 11:32 AM
I totally agree.
newton on December 14, 2008 at 11:37 AM
So are they what? Living in poverty? I don’t get you’re trying to say here.
And why bother trashing Christians with that line about an old man in the sky. For one it’s stupid. God is not a man by definition, and Christians don’t give to the poor out of fear of God. For another, it has nothing to do with my comment.
Esthier on December 14, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Please feel free to denigrate yourself somewhere else.
Esthier on December 14, 2008 at 11:51 AM
Yeah, “give it to the poor”… And then help yourself with some of that money… like Judas used to do.
But he didn’t really understand that Jesus knew his heart, and that he would betray Him at the first opportunity… which he did.
You know, it seems that too many Liberals think the same way. “Help the poor! Dress on rags, pastors! We’ll distribute the money!” And then, they take part of the money collected for themselves.
Remember when the American Red Cross had raised a $ billion after September 11, only to have a huge amount of it separated for “administrative costs”? And then, we found out that she received a salary comparable to that of a U.S. Senator for her “charity” work. There was such a huge outrage over it that its then-president had to resign.
I frankly don’t think the pastor at Sarah’s church gets such a huge salary.
newton on December 14, 2008 at 11:51 AM
newton on December 14, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Sounds like a book-burning gone bad. Hey Gov, those Harry Potter books are for learnin’, not burnin’…you betcha!
dk on December 14, 2008 at 11:53 AM
*sigh* My comment wasn’t directed at you, but at the “hypocritical Christian” sentiment. Come on, people. Hair triggers galore.
ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Very lame.
Esthier on December 14, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Then I apologize. I said initially that I didn’t know what your point was, and that was obviously more true than I realized.
For future reference, sarc tags are helpful in avoiding the confusion.
Esthier on December 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Is that humor?
ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Or are you just another clueless Obama voter?
ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM
The ladies inside the church on the night of the fire were working on crafts, possibly Christmas gifts for people, or even for the Christmas pageant…
If any “book burning” was going on, it was possibly by the arsonist – you know, burning a Bible…
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:02 PM
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Working on crafts? Yeah, witchcrafts.
dk on December 14, 2008 at 12:05 PM
A thousand people attended that church every Sunday. For such a big congregation, a big building is needed. $ 1 million in damages is no surprise there. What is surprising is that the church was attacked.
I believe churches that stand for the truth of the Scriptures better get themselves as much security as they can have, because the nutjobs are out there with too much hate in their hearts and ready to explode. If you consider the attack on a Bible church congregation in Michigan by “gay-rights” activists last November (in which they terrorized even children), expect much worse coming in the horizon. Much worse.
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Why don’t you just shut up? Leave them alone! They need neither your disdain nor your cruelty! The fire started from outside! Who wants to be out in the Alaskan cold at ten in the evening? Nobody!
Leave them alone, you sicko!
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:08 PM
That was their church, where their congregation meets in the name of Jesus Christ, and in which He promised to be in their midst!
Snakes like you aren’t needed here!
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:09 PM
It’s their reason for living. Ignorance and hate. Let ‘em rant. They’re funny in ways they don’t intend.
ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Only pointing out to the snarky why-are-they-spending-so-much-money crowd that it was not like the place was a replica of Notre Dame.
And I don’t give an honest poop if it was fancy or not, or who worships there. It is wrong to knowingly destroy a place of worship.
Sekhmet on December 14, 2008 at 12:12 PM
How would those get there in the first place?
sethstorm on December 14, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Snakes like you aren’t needed here!
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Oh, stop crying, nobobdy was hurt and you don’t know what the cause is. I still say book-burning or perhaps when the old gals were rolling around on the floor babbling on in tongue they knocked over a candle. Don’t rule it out…
dk on December 14, 2008 at 12:18 PM
I don’t think they realize that a crime was committed there. Someone burned this church, where people were being helped and the Word of God preached and lived every day.
And then they go and blame the congregants?? And Sarah Palin?? Nah! This can’t stand!
I think it’s time for congregations to defend themselves. There are too many people out there with hatred in their hearts, who would do them harm at the first opportunity.
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:18 PM
They lost their church building! They’re just as shocked as the rest of them are! They have no fault in this!
And you’re still a snake!
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:19 PM
The same could be said for Palin fans and unionbusters too.
sethstorm on December 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM
1. Open enrollment at specific days around here.
2. Not checking their true intentions… thus encouraging trolls and others of unsavory nature.
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:24 PM
If unions are so wonderful, why does Detroit need a bailout? And I see more hate directed at Palin and conservatives than directed from them.
Sekhmet on December 14, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Oh, forget it! Dismiss my previous comment!
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:25 PM
And you’re still a snake!
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:19 PM
You don’t know this for sure. There’s always something burning at church; candles, incense, non-christian literature and science books, the truth, common sense, etc.
dk on December 14, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I started to get this strange feeling that conservatives will have to seccede from the rest of the nation and start a new country, fresh and clear, apart from America, with no interference from the people who hate them… and no intentions of allowing them there.
Something like this cannot last.
newton on December 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM
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