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Emanuel, Blago had “conversations” on Senate succession

posted at 11:23 am on December 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The categorical denials coming from Barack Obama on the Rod Blagojevich pay-to-play scandal took another hit today from the Chicago Tribune.  Two sources confirm that Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s new chief of staff, had a number of conversations with Blagojevich chief of staff John Harris to discuss acceptable candidates to fill the rest of Obama’s Senate term.  These conversations got captured by federal wiretaps and will likely be reviewed by a grand jury looking to indict people on corruption charges:

Rahm Emanuel, President-elect Barack Obama’s pick to be White House chief of staff, had conversations with Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s administration about who would replace Obama in the U.S. Senate, the Tribune has learned.

The revelation does not suggest Obama’s new gatekeeper was involved in any talk of dealmaking involving the seat. But it does help fill in the gaps surrounding a question that Obama was unable or unwilling to answer this week: Did anyone on his staff have contact with Blagojevich about his choice for the Senate seat? …

One source confirmed that communications between Emanuel and the Blagojevich administration were captured on court-approved wiretaps.

Another source said that contact between the Obama camp and the governor’s administration regarding the Senate seat began the Saturday before the Nov. 4 election, when Emanuel made a call to the cell phone of Harris. The conversation took place around the same time press reports surfaced about Emanuel being approached about taking the high-level White House post should Obama win.

Emanuel delivered a list of candidates who would be “acceptable” to Obama, the source said. On the list were Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett, Illinois Veterans Affairs director Tammy Duckworth, state Comptroller Dan Hynes and U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Chicago, the source said. All are Democrats.

Sometime after the election, Emanuel called Harris back to add the name of Democratic Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan to the approved list, the source said.

As I wrote this week, no one would be surprised to hear that Emanuel and Obama had enough interest in the latter’s replacement to get in contact with the man who would normally make that appointment, Governor Blagojevich.  After all, the composition of the Senate matters a great deal to Obama, who needs to ensure that his agenda gets the most support possible in the next two years.  Given the corruption in Illinois politics, it might make it even more important to get involved in the process early to avoid getting someone who would embarrass the administration at a later point in time, especially with Patrick Fitzgerald’s years-long probe into Illinois politics still ongoing.

However, Barack Obama and his team chose not to give that honest and common-sense explanation.  Instead, they issued categorical denials that Obama and his staff had contacted Blagojevich or his staff about the succession.  It’s a mystifying claim, and one that will apparently get proven false fairly easily.  Now, instead of just saying that contact existed but that no one had tried making deals, they have thrown away their credibility on a very foolish point — which will lead to the conclusion that Team Obama has something very significant to hide.

Now it comes down to the Watergate question for both Emanuel and Obama: What did they know, and when did they know it?  Did Emanuel’s conversations with Harris or anyone else involve discussions of quid pro quo?  Team Obama will deny it, but they spent all of this week denying any conversations took place, and only the most gullible will believe denials from this point forward.  The wiretaps will go to the grand jury, and we will see whether Emanuel got himself caught in Fitzgerald’s nets.

If he did discuss quid pro quo and didn’t report it to the feds, Emanuel may or may not have committed a crime, but Obama will have no choice but to fire him.  And axing a Chief of Staff before even taking the oath of office does not lend much confidence in either the competence nor the honesty of the new President.

Update: Here’s what Obama said in his December 11th statement:

I had no contact with the governor’s office. I did not speak to the governor about these issues, that I know for certain. What I want to do is to gather all the facts about any staff contacts that may have taken place between the transition office and the governor’s office, and we’ll have those in the next few days and we’ll present them. But what I’m absolutely certain about is that our office had no involvement in any deal-making around my Senate seat. That, I’m absolutely certain of, and that would be a violation of everything this campaign has been about. That’s not how we do business.

So Obama said in one part that he himself hat no contact with the governor’s office or the governor regarding the appointment, which makes sense, because he’s got other issues to handle. He then claims that his office “had no involvement in any deal-making around my Senate seat.” If that’s true, then what was Emanuel discussing with Harris — and how did Blagojevich know that they wouldn’t give him anything but their appreciation? From the complaint, it doesn’t sound like an assumption Blagojevich made. (Hat tip: HA reader David M)


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Well Mr. Shipley, thanks for answering that you see nothing wrong with the rezko-pattiblago-obama land deal. Remind me not to hire you as an ethics professor.

The other posters were kind enough to put most of the details in. One thing that I don’t think was covered was “What did Tonyo get for giving Barryo 300k plus making possible the purchase of the obamamansion”

The answer can be found if you dig a bit.

Obama played a helpful role in Rezko’s gang getting picked to build a hospital. See, Rezko owned 5 of the 15 board members, so he wanted the board “streamlined” from 15 to 9 in the interests of “efficiency,” which gave him a majority of 5 of 9. RezkoWatch pointed out:

A review of senate records shows Obama played a major role in pushing through Senate Bill 1332, that led to the “Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act,” which reduced the number of members on the Board from 15 to 9, making the votes much easier to rig.

Hmmmmmnnn Tonyo helps barryo buy the obamamansion (Soon to be more famous than Lincolns birthplace according to some).. Tonyo also helps Barryo save over a third of a million dollars (wonder if they were Blogo F’en dollars) Then a while later, Barryo pushes forth some legislation to help Rezko with a deal.

vdare.com

A gentleman does not have to know Latin, but he should have at least forgotten it. Todays Latin phrase is

Quid Pro Quo

bullseye on December 13, 2008 at 8:42 PM

katy on December 13, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Shipley is either playing this gig or has brain damage.

At this time it is difficult to tell what the pathology might be, but I think it will become more clear sometime on Monday or Tuesday.

Note how absolutely quite the Obama team has become for the last two days. Deafening silence. It will be interesting to see if they break that silence on the Sunday morning talk shows with a spin blitz.

Either way watch for some resignations or withdrawls from Team Obama early in the week.

That will destroy Shipley’s belief that no one will lose a Team Obama job over this mess.

Once that breaks the mess open the Chicago Trib will open the flood gates. The rest of Shipley’s arguments will become painful wailing in the wilderness by a lost troll.

Even then he will not accept reality. Either way you will have your answer to which of your two possibilities is most likely.

Yoop on December 13, 2008 at 9:18 PM

Just wondering…..

Starlink on December 13, 2008 at 9:19 PM

nice.

JiangxiDad on December 13, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Heard Glenn Beck say on friday that this could get reaily bad.

thmcbb on December 13, 2008 at 9:38 PM

A simple question which I can’t answer myself: Who were the real estate agents who took commissions from Barack Obama’s purchase of the home next door to the Rezko’s? And do any of those agents have a personal relationship with the current Governor of Illinois?

unclesmrgol on December 13, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Sunday’s TimesOnline is reporting on the story. These two paragraphs are sadly funny about our media’s double standard:

Obama once joked at a charity “roast” that the notoriously crude Emanuel – who was elected to Congress in Blagojevich’s old seat – was rendered “practically mute” when he lost his middle finger in an accident.

“When you are Rahm Emanuel and you use the f-word all the time, it is supposed to be cute and amusing,” Norquist said. “When the governor of Illinois gets caught, people say, ‘Oh, he’s crazy’, and the proof that he is crazy is that he talks like Rahm Emanuel.”

onlineanalyst on December 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM

We have only to look at Michelle Obama’s hospital position and its exhorbitant raise to see how this scratch-my-back; I’ll scratch yours works. Nobody ever became healthier or recovered from treatment/surgery through her employment, did they? Yet all of this bureaucratic nonsense drives up the cost of health delivery.

onlineanalyst on December 13, 2008 at 6:54 PM

That is an excellent point on health care. Add to that lawyers like Edwards who needlessly sued physicians for $$$ and you’ve got high costs. So having driven up the cost, now the Dems will want to take the system over.

INC on December 13, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Heard Glenn Beck say on friday that this could get reaily bad.

thmcbb on December 13, 2008 at 9:38 PM

i missed the fri show.. can you expand a bit? I know he’s been saying the economy is going south.

bullseye on December 13, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Starlink on December 13, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Yes making them squirm could cause them to start eating their own.

katy on December 13, 2008 at 10:14 PM

bullseye on December 13, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Thank you for mentioning Rezko Watch. I didn’t know it existed.

INC on December 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM

And, of course, Obama didn’t give Emanuel a list of acceptable candidates, even though Emanuel gave the governor a list of those acceptable to the president-cheat.

rlwo2008 on December 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Yes making them squirm could cause them to start eating their own.

katy on December 13, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Or start talking on other tapped phones.

a capella on December 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Yoop on December 13, 2008 at 9:18 PM

This is pretty big in many ways. No matter what happens or who goes down or doesn’t. Obama’s cred is shot! We should all be on the lookout for global suicide watch.

katy on December 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Or start talking on other tapped phones.

a capella on December 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Wouldn’t that be fruitful!!

katy on December 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM

That TimesOnline is a UK publication BTW.

Oh, INC, I think that the Dems’ strategy is to take over as many economic sectors as it can: energy, health, banking, etc. The speed at which their goals is accelerating is alarming.

Pelosi wants close to a billion dollars to achieve her dream of saving the planet by revamping our energy sources to focus on green technology. Coal, natural gas, oil, and nuclear power are not part of her lexicon nor her plan. She will singlehandedly destroy our economy. Gore and Obama will be her mouthpieces and rubber-stampers.

(Sorry to be off topic, but I just heard today what her plans are for the new session of Congress.)

onlineanalyst on December 13, 2008 at 10:21 PM

onlineanalyst on December 13, 2008 at 10:21 PM

I hope this winter is cold enough to totally bury those plans.

INC on December 13, 2008 at 10:25 PM

The 12 ways to a merry Fitzmas.

Without explanation, District Judge Amy St. Eve canceled her own deadlines for lawyers to file briefs on the upcoming sentencing of Antoin “Tony” Rezko. That name should sound familiar, as detailed in a Special Ticket Report the other day; he’s the Illinois political fixer, real estate man…

America wanted change and we sure got it. We elected a politician who looked and sounded fresh and new and different (and don’t forget “clean” as Senator Biden once remarked), and promised that magic word “change.” Aren’t we lucky?

Those of you not from Illinois are not prepared for the fallout of today’s bombshell news of the FBI arrest of the Govenor of Illinois – Rod Blagojevich. But I am from Illinois, and I know how deep this is going to go. Today is just the tip of the iceberg. Lots of people are going down, including – I predict (and you heard it here first) the highest profile product of Crook County Illinois – Senator Barack Hussein Obama. First, let me just say “it’s about damn time” that our boy-criminal Governor was arrested. He’s been corrupt and flagrant…

Entelechy on December 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Who were the real estate agents who took commissions from Barack Obama’s purchase of the home next door to the Rezko’s? And do any of those agents have a personal relationship with the current Governor of Illinois?

unclesmrgol on December 13, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Patty, Blogo’s wife was Rezko’s real estate partner. Rezko is singing like a canary. He wants to get out of solitary confinement, badly. However, Fitz put a damper on his Jan. 6 sentencing date, indefinitely.

Entelechy on December 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM

onlineanalyst,

One more note O/T:

I have started checking in with Senator Inhofe’s Environment Public Works site. Good stuff. The disconnect of him and Boxer side by side is incredible.

INC on December 13, 2008 at 10:31 PM

I hope this winter is cold enough to totally bury those plans.

INC on December 13, 2008 at 10:25 PM

The scary thing is no matter what the climate shows, these nutters are going full steam ahead with their destruction come hell or high water (unless Obama lowers it in time)

http://www.buffalonews.com/260/story/522171.html
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081213/D951FQH80.html

katy on December 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Fuck him. For nothing? Fuck him.

I assume your going to now tell me that to Chicagoans “for nothing” means “monthly payouts of $10,000 over a two-year span.”

Tom_Shipley on December 13, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Maybe, if monthly payouts of $30,000 over a two-year span were expected. Who knows? I haven’t heard the tapes. I wouldn’t stake my life on anything as regards this situation.

ddrintn on December 13, 2008 at 10:36 PM

Patricia Blagojevich was the most likely person to handle the Obama/Rezko land deal as she had been handling Rezko’s land purchases for some time–to the tune of $700,000. But the story goes deeper than that. An Iraqi billionaire who had worked for Sadam wanted a visa to come to the US. He knew Rezko. Rezko said he had connections to a senator and might be able to get the visa. April 2005, the Iraqi (Auchi) gave Rezko a loan for 3.5 mil. June 15, 2005 the Obamas bought their house and Mrs. Rezko bought the lot next to that house. (House 1.65 mil; lot $650,000) The lot was then split and part sold to the Obamas, making the second lot unbuildable and practically worthless.

I think that’s why people are thinking this could go MUCH deeper than the senate seat sale. Though it is amazing how many directions this thing goes–Iraq, JJJr, Rezko, Blago, Emanuel… who knows where it might stop.

UnderstandingisPower on December 13, 2008 at 11:55 PM

UnderstandingisPower on December 13, 2008 at 11:55 PM

what’s amazing about this is, this information about the Rezko land deal was circulating last year and never got futher than talk radio. Then Rezko got busted (simply a side not to the press during the election cylce) and the wire taping came about as a result of Rezko singing. The question is will the informationed gleaned so far be enough to trip up the innaguration?

katy on December 14, 2008 at 12:10 AM

inauguration…. ok that’s it,
I’m getting my spell check fixed.

katy on December 14, 2008 at 12:16 AM

katy, that’s the million dollar question. Just from reading into this with the spotty reporting that’s been done, it seems to me that this is much bigger than is even being reported right now. I mean how many of even us who read and follow this stuff knew that Patti Blago was most likely the agent on this deal? Not many. And it took a lot of digging on just Internet sources for me to learn this much. I’m sure Mr. Fitzgerald has piles of info we don’t even know about yet. What I would love is to know all of this will work out, the bad guys will go to jail, Jan. 20th will go down in history but not for the reasons most people think, and the Obamas will both have to clear their schedules for court dates. I think MO was in up to her eyeballs in all of this (witness the hospital info posted above).

God, please be with our country, lead us through this with our country still in tact, and please, please, PLEASE flip the light on to expose the cockroaches at just the right time. I command this mountain of corruption and harm to our country to be thou removed and cast into the sea! The truth will set us ALL free!

UnderstandingisPower on December 14, 2008 at 12:32 AM

I see BHO falling before Jan 20th

ConservativePartyNow on December 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM

Here’s another question. How tough is Fitzpatrick? He may be holding the ball in the public’s preception, but this could be so big that even he buckles due to the monumental damage it could do to the transition of power in time of war, looming recession/depression, and it would test the mettle of the democratic party not to mention the loony left.
Can/will he follow through with such a potentially damaging agenda?

katy on December 14, 2008 at 12:43 AM

And Biden becoming the next president?

ConservativePartyNow on December 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM

Phoenician on December 14, 2008 at 12:45 AM

Biden or Obama? I’d rather have the idiot I do know than the radical I don’t know. But the choice is truly cartoonish.

katy on December 14, 2008 at 12:53 AM

I command this mountain of corruption and harm to our country to be thou removed and cast into the sea! The truth will set us ALL free!

UnderstandingisPower on December 14, 2008 at 12:32 AM

I second that motion!

katy on December 14, 2008 at 12:57 AM

I see BHO falling before Jan 20th

ConservativePartyNow on December 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM

Not that I wouldn’t like to see that happen, but there are all kinds of reasons it won’t:

1. It’s highly unlikely Blago is sitting on any evidence that could bring down the president-elect, although I think Rahm Emmanuael may begin slowly fading from Democrat party photographs, Soviet-style. Watch for the first major news stories that suggest Emmanuel is mentally unstable, and was never all that close to Obama in the first place.

2. If there actually is enough evidence to indict Obama for something, it would have to happen in five weeks or less. That’s pretty fast for the politicized federal justice system. Once Obama is inaugurated, he’s not going anywhere, and neither are any criminal investigations of him.

3. If the feds DO get things moving fast enough to indict Obama before the inauguration, there will be incredible pressures brought to bear on people at Justice and the FBI to drop the case. At least some of those people are political animals, who won’t have any trouble weighing the pros of doing the incoming Messiah a solid, versus the cons of being the racist fascist wingnut Klansman who dared to use a subpoena to lynch the First Black President and Avatar of Hope and Change. Some of those people are, in fact, probably true believers in the Church of the Lightworker.

4. If somebody in a position of power DOES have the stones to do the right thing and damn the consequences, the congressional Democrats will move mountains to block or stonewall any investigations or legal proceedings, and they only have to block them for five weeks. You may rest assured that no congressional Republican will do anything but voice their full and heartfelt support for such efforts, most definitely including their recent Presidential candidate.

5. If an investigation or indictment of Obama DOES manage to clear all these hurdles, someone will leap forward to take the political bullet for him. Presidents always have fall guys. Clinton had an army of them, and he wasn’t an object of religious veneration for his followers.

So, this scandal could end up doing a lot of damage to the incoming administration… but, sadly, it’s still incoming.

Doctor Zero on December 14, 2008 at 1:32 AM

Doctor Zero on December 14, 2008 at 1:32 AM

I agree. Obama won’t go down. And, Fitzgerald
is watching out for himself.

a capella on December 14, 2008 at 1:40 AM

So, this scandal could end up doing a lot of damage to the incoming administration… but, sadly, it’s still incoming.

Doctor Zero on December 14, 2008 at 1:32 AM

Interesting analysis… I’m not sure how things will play out (I don’t know if anyone really can be sure)

One thing that I did think about.. What happens if O is indicted and then cleared or has a hung jury.??? Maybe things are heating up because there is now the senate seat in addition to the rezko land deal. IOW, more chance of a conviction.

bullseye on December 14, 2008 at 1:43 AM

It’s time to move the queen to the middle of the board.

I say Ken Blackwell at the RNC chair. Queen to B4. Bold.

Saltysam on December 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM

How long is it going to take until Daley’s name comes into this whole mess? After all, how could any shenanigans go on in Illinois without Daley knowing about it and, probably, being in on it, somewhere. I find it amazing that his name has hardly been mentioned.

On a side note, how about that tape of the idiot messiah roasting Rahm, when he said, “Rahm lost use of his middle finger … which rendered him practically mute.” I bet those conversations between Blago and Rahm were pretty entertaining.

progressoverpeace on December 14, 2008 at 2:25 AM

Here’s another question. How tough is Fitzpatrick? He may be holding the ball in the public’s preception, but this could be so big that even he buckles due to the monumental damage it could do to the transition of power in time of war, looming recession/depression, and it would test the mettle of the democratic party not to mention the loony left.
Can/will he follow through with such a potentially damaging agenda?

katy on December 14, 2008 at 12:43 AM

These are my thoughts also.
I have not seen or heard enough to believe that this problem
will damage Obama seriously,but if it does,who has the political will and power to bring down that house of cards with democrats totally in control of government,the press engaged in major a$$ kissing and spin for Obama,and our Nation sitting dangerously vulnerable economically and internationally.

It is hard to believe that someone can reach into that swamp and pull out players like Rezko and Blagovich and such central figures in Chicago politics like Obama and Rahm have no contacts or are clean.

Clean or not,help from high places could have kept Obama above the fray:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122895356506696347.html

One reason for Mr. Obama’s reticence may be his close relationship with the powerful Illinois senate president Emil Jones. Mr. Jones was a force in Mr. Obama’s rise. In 2003, the two men talked about the state’s soon-to-be vacant U.S. Senate seat. As Mr. Jones has recounted the conversation, Mr. Obama told him “You can make the next U.S. senator.” Mr. Jones replied, “Got anybody in mind?” “Yes,” Mr. Obama said. “Me.”
Starting in 2003, Mr. Jones worked to burnish Mr. Obama’s credentials by making him lead sponsor of bills including a watered-down ban on gifts to lawmakers. Most of Mr. Obama’s legislative accomplishments came as result of his association with Mr. Jones.
In 2002, Mr. Obama turned up to help Mr. Blagojevich, a staunch ally of Mr. Jones, win the governor’s mansion. Rahm Emanuel, Mr. Obama’s incoming White House chief of staff, told The New Yorker earlier this year that six years ago he and Mr. Obama “participated in a small group that met weekly when Rod was running for governor. We basically laid out the general election, Barack and I and these two [other participants].”

We know Obama was close to Blagojevich but he also was being mentored by sharp and well connected people in the corrupt Chicago scene that could very well have guided him through this minefield without injury or be pulling strings now to keep him safe.
It is the press that presses and digs to make revelations come to the surface or force people out of their positions.
I don’t see that coming here with Obama.They have their lips firmly stuck to his a$$ and are going to,for the most part,be providing spin and cover for their Messiah.

I think Fitz would have to show some serious kahuna’s to expose top brass,if it goes that far.We will see.

But if Fitz goes after Obama the way he went after Bush,he could come out at the end of this with some serious political clout.
Think about 2012 seeing this guy running for office with the “I don’t care if your Repub or Demo,I kicked
a$$ and took names when it came to business as usual on Pennsylvania Ave.”
Would be powerful stuff indeed.

Baxter Greene on December 14, 2008 at 4:49 AM

Fitspatrick absolutely has the balls it takes…we in IL campaigned to the White House to name him to this post because he was willing to take on the corrupt dems in IL. He has no need of wealth and HATES corruption, and knows no fear. I am sooooo glad that it is he who leads this, if he can not get it done, it cannot be done.
PS Durtbin & Bagofshitz,and Dailey HATE him…need I say more?

Illinois Grandma on December 14, 2008 at 5:43 AM

oops Patrick Fitzgerald not fitspatrick

Illinois Grandma on December 14, 2008 at 5:48 AM

Fitspatrick absolutely has the balls it takes…we in IL campaigned to the White House to name him to this post because he was willing to take on the corrupt dems in IL. He has no need of wealth and HATES corruption, and knows no fear. I am sooooo glad that it is he who leads this, if he can not get it done, it cannot be done.
PS Durtbin & Bagofshitz,and Dailey HATE him…need I say more?

Illinois Grandma on December 14, 2008 at 5:43 AM

Sounds good to me.
I will certainly take your maturity, wisdom,and first hand observation over anything the press has to say.

Baxter Greene on December 14, 2008 at 6:45 AM

Shipley is a shill

Jamson64 on December 14, 2008 at 8:37 AM

also, keep in mind that it is not necessarily what crimes Fitzpatrick could hang around bambi’s neck; it is also what the press is willing to report. Remember, it is the court of public opinion that sways elections. Let’s tarnish Obama & his administration up front. And maybe they won’t be able to lead us totally into bankruptcy.

then we have to move on to that vile nancy pelosi…

kelley in virginia on December 14, 2008 at 8:54 AM

So will Shipley concede that Obama has lied to the press? If he can’t do that, I don’t see why anyone should engage him in conversation. He’s not serious.

PackerBronco on December 13, 2008 at 8:2

I already answered this question of yours in another thread. But since you seem to have missed it, I’ll give it a go again. And I’ll actually amend it some.

I said that one thing I find hard to believe is that Rahm didn’t talk to Obama about the what Blago was up to. But thinking about it more, and in context, I think it’s possible that Rahm kept Blago’s shakedown efforts from Obama.

Remember, this is all taking right after the election, when Obama begins receiving national security briefs, assembling his cabinet and national security and economic teams, plus many, many other things.

It seems to me quite possible that Obama and Rahm discussed what candidates he’d like to see in the seat and gave it to Rahm to take care of.

Now, it’s also quite possible that Rahm never relayed any of Blagojevich shady request to Obama because he didn’t want him anywhere near this thing.

Bottom line, we don’t know if Obama is lying. The fact that you’re certain that he is shows the depth of your thinking. It’s far from certain that Obama is lying and very much within the realm of possibility that he’s not.

More information will come out this week. I have confidence in the conclusions I’ve drawn from the evidence as we know it. And since this thread has devolved into name calling, I think I’ll retire from it. To be continued…

Tom_Shipley on December 14, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Let’s tarnish Obama & his administration up front. And maybe they won’t be able to lead us totally into bankruptcy.

You’re worried about Obama leading us into bankruptcy? Have you not noticed the state of the economy over the past year?

Tom_Shipley on December 14, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Let’s tarnish Obama & his administration up front. And maybe they won’t be able to lead us totally into bankruptcy.

You’re worried about Obama leading us into bankruptcy? Have you not noticed the state of the economy over the past year?

Tom_Shipley on December 14, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Yep, have noticed.. It’s in the crapper because the democrats tried some social engineering that fell on it’s face. … ie “Lets give everyone who can’t afford it a house and then they’ll vote for us”.. The whole subprime thing reeks of Dodd, Frank, Obama, Emannuell, Johnson, raines, Gorlick…

I also noticed that the market has dropped a thousand points or so since the election of barryo.. Guess the market doesn’t like wealth redistribution.

By the way.. A lot of the tarnishing is not done by folks like the ones here. It’s done by BarryO himself.

- He choose to be in a ‘church’ with Jeremiah “GOD DAMN AMERICA” wrigth
- He chose to work on Blago’s Campaign
- He Choose to accept the land deal from Rezko and then he Chose to stack the hospital board in favor of Rezkl
- He Chose to put Rahmmie as his COS when he knew Rhammie cooked the books at Freddie Mac
- He Chose to give a huge grant to the hospital where Michell worked adn then Michelleo and Barryo chose to have her accept the huge raise.
- He chose to either get involved with, or allow his staff to get involved with, influence into the selection of the senate seat. That seat belongs to illinois, not obama
- He chose to associate with Ayers and Dohrn
- He chose to be a horse’s butt about releasing his true birth cert or any other significant documentation (Grades, papers, records etc)

So, if someone goes to the sty and wallows in pig poo I suppose you would say we are tarnishing that person when we exclaim “Gee, He smells like pig shit”. We are just commenting on the obvious.

bullseye on December 14, 2008 at 9:21 AM

I apologize for starting the FitzPATRICK thing. I’ll call him P. Fitz for the rest of my stay here.

kahuna’s– Baxter Greene on December 14, 2008 at 4:49 AM

LOL!!! Are those Hawaiian balls oppose to Mexican balls -co hones?

katy on December 14, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Time to take these motherbrothers down, their thick as theives the whole group and this scandal will leave bodies piled as high as the Washington monument as Blago and Rezco take Obama down with them since they no longer have careers to concern themselves with. Toast.

chicagoray on December 14, 2008 at 10:06 AM

Another concern is Obama’s standing globally with this mess under him. He may walk scott free but this could prove him to be untarnishable and indestructable hence be a formidable foe in the eyes of the world OR… the the scope of those involved and the details could be used to blackmail him on the world stage. Either scenario is frightening. Too much power or vulnerable as hell.

katy on December 14, 2008 at 10:08 AM

Tom Shipley:

Let further elaborate on what I believe the Obama staff meant by “appreciation.” I think they were proposing that Fitzgerald would be moved “on up” and out of Chicago into the Justice Department say as Deputy Attorney General and a pardon if necessary. Obama understands that the real threat to the machine and his adminstration is Fitzgerald’s ongoing anti-corruption investigation. Blogoyevic (that’s how it’s really spelled in Serbian)is a arrogant greedy bastard who wanted cash. The Governor has put Obama in a touchy situation because on the face of it he can no longer fire Fitzgerald.

Don’t anybody get their hopes up that an indictment will save us from the One. It won’t come until after January 20th and since any potential crime occured before Obama took the oath it would not be impeachable. He could run for re-election in 2012 and if he were to lose he could resign so Biden could pardon him. As much as I would enjoy seeing an indictment, it serves little purpose since he isn’t going to resign and will never get tried. It would ultimately undermine the rule of law.

jerryofva on December 14, 2008 at 10:27 AM

BHO:I did not speak to the governor about these issues, that I know for certain

That “for certain” part is a poker tell. The eyeball to eyeball photo of you and Blago proves you’re bluffing. Has boy-wonder Rahm gotten you on a surveillance tape too? Good luck with that presidency, guy. You just went all in with your credibillity chips and got busted out.

Mark30339 on December 14, 2008 at 10:30 AM

You’re worried about Obama leading us into bankruptcy? Have you not noticed the state of the economy over the past year?

Tom_Shipley on December 14, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Have you really taken a look at some of Obama’s spending proposals?

ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 10:49 AM

I bet on Monday or Tuesday O will say that they can’t comment on an ongoing investigation by Fitzgerald. That means they have some damaging conversation by Rahm the goat and Blago the Rammer.

Herb on December 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Don’t anybody get their hopes up that an indictment will save us from the One. It won’t come until after January 20th and since any potential crime occured before Obama took the oath it would not be impeachable. He could run for re-election in 2012 and if he were to lose he could resign so Biden could pardon him. As much as I would enjoy seeing an indictment, it serves little purpose since he isn’t going to resign and will never get tried. It would ultimately undermine the rule of law.

jerryofva on December 14, 2008 at 10:27 AM

I’d bet the farm it never even comes close to an indictment. Democrats are in wholly “other” moral universe.

ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Rezko, Obama, Blago they all know each others secrets like kickbacks, mistresses, drug use etc.

The American taxpayers need to hear all the tapes.

Firebird on December 14, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Bottom line, we don’t know if Obama is lying. The fact that you’re certain that he is shows the depth of your thinking. It’s far from certain that Obama is lying and very much within the realm of possibility that he’s not.

Tom_Shipley on December 14, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Let’s go back to that quote from the initial press conference shall we?

“I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.”

I don’t think you can reasonable call that anything but a lie given the revelations of the last few days in addition to your own common sense. Note that I’m not talking about whether or not Obama was knowledgeable about the bribes, simply about his statement that he had no contact with Blogo.

It’s like Clinton claiming he was never alone with Lewinski and then trying to defend that statement by claiming it depends on what the meaning of “alone” is. To defend this statement you have to use similar parsing, such as: “Obama didn’t have contact with him, Rahm did, and so forth …”

There are lies and we know what they are. I think if you simply said, “yeah, Obama lied but there may be extenuating circumstances …” I would have more respect for your position.

Having said all that, I think from your posts that you’re a good guy T.S. and I retract anything nasty I wrote about you.

PackerBronco on December 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM

If Emanuel gets deposed, or indicted himself, he is going to be asked under oath who he was getting direction from in his negotiations with Blago. Asked that question, assuming he choses not to purjure himself, there is ObviOusly Only One Other OptiOn.

drunyan8315 on December 14, 2008 at 11:33 AM

No matter what Obama has done or not done, the “enthusiastic” (to put it mildly) people who voted for him, led by the massively and demonstrably powerful NBC television network, will simply not allow him to be touched.

It is time that conservatives, Republicans and all their groups, including the South, the Reaganites, and the Limbaugh lovers, realize that just one little corner of the Democrat Party, namely NBC, has the ability to destroy anything and anybody who gets within 100 miles of Obama.

jay12 on December 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM

…just one little corner of the Democrat Party, namely NBC, has the ability to destroy anything and anybody who gets within 100 miles of Obama.

jay12 on December 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM

I’m afraid it’s much more extensive than that.

ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 12:07 PM

PackerBronco on December 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Speaking of lies and common sense, remember when Barry said he was going to go through any proposed budget, line by line? I guess that was after he said he would use public financing for his campaign and also give all citizens a check from “Big Oil” windfall profits.

a capella on December 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Fitzgerald is compelled to play this by the book and not bow to political pressure. He is not the only one in the Justice Department or elsewhere with inside information.

diogenes on December 14, 2008 at 1:44 PM

For Rahm’s sake, I hope he doesn’t live in anything that resembles a “compound.”

*shiver*

fossten on December 14, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Obama’s has always acknowledged that his team had contact with Eastasia Blagojevich.

drunyan8315 on December 14, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Explains why the Obama camp is so reluctant to say anything. They don’t know what’s on the tapes. Can’t hang themselves by saying nothing.

GarandFan on December 14, 2008 at 2:39 PM

How soon before the break-even on Emanuel’s value to Obama drops below the baseline? After that, it’s typically been a blink of an eye to pulling the ejection lever.

If you listen very carefully, I think you can hear the sounds of the bus engine idling…

bryanmyrick on December 14, 2008 at 3:02 PM

A simple question which I can’t answer myself: Who were the real estate agents who took commissions from Barack Obama’s purchase of the home next door to the Rezko’s? And do any of those agents have a personal relationship with the current Governor of Illinois?

unclesmrgol on December 13, 2008 at 10:06 PM

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Why can’t you answer it yourself? It’s no secret that it is none other than… */drumroll/* Blago’s wife Patti. It’s been reported in numerous venues. Pssst…rumor has it that Obama’s staff is stocking up on diapers at this time. My *fingers are crossed* for those who predict it may bring Obama down quickly.

NightmareOnKStreet on December 14, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Goingtojailovich and Ari Gold.

Good times. Good times.

Mr. Joe on December 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Foreign media keeping us informed. Our own are otherwise in heat engaged.

Entelechy on December 14, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Explains why the Obama camp is so reluctant to say anything. They don’t know what’s on the tapes. Can’t hang themselves by saying nothing.

GarandFan on December 14, 2008 at 2:39 PM

I was wondering if any of those audios released were those of a conversation just before something really damning was said. IOW, someone could hear the audio and think “Oh Cr-p,.. I mentioned a dollar figure right after that”

That would surely shake the old tree and rattle the bushes.
ie Flush the game.

I wonder if team O is using focus groups to try to figure out the best spin. I’d LOVE to be on one of those…

bullseye on December 14, 2008 at 5:12 PM

LOL!!! Are those Hawaiian balls oppose to Mexican balls -co hones?

katy on December 14, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Obama spent quite some time in Hawaii,I thought it was fitting.

Baxter Greene on December 14, 2008 at 5:40 PM

That is not the steak knife wielding Rahm Emanuel I knew.
-dear leader.

HornetSting on December 14, 2008 at 5:49 PM

He then claims that his office “had no involvement in any deal-making around my Senate seat.” If that’s true, then what was Emanuel discussing with Harris — and how did Blagojevich know that they wouldn’t give him anything but their appreciation?

I assume he is parsing out that sentence to mean that since no deal was struck (the appointment didn’t occur), there was no deal-making.

Words mean things.

Still, it’s nice to know there’s stuff on tape.

Also, I find it funny/interesting that Blago was apparently speaking in code (using abbreviations like “Fifth CD” to describe the “fifth congressional district”). That he should make that effort to protect Emmanuel suggests that they were actively bargaining, not that he made a play and Emmanuel flatly rejected it, imho.

Y-not on December 14, 2008 at 7:23 PM

I read through the comments, and two things stick out:

1. Axelrod’s casual televised interview statement on 11/23 that Obama (or Obama’s representative) spoke with Blago (or Blago’s representative) about Obama’s successor. The 12/11 WFLD report seems to confirm this.

This statement was made on 11/23, before any of the current excitement. Judging by Axelrod’s demeanor at the time, it seems clear that Axelrod was telling the truth.

It seems that the only reasonable doubts are:
a. Whether any criminal activity can be proven
b. Who can be proven to be involved

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2. What sort of, and perhaps how many, indictment(s) of Barak Obama would be sufficient to keep him from being sworn in?

Could Biden be sworn in as VP, then hold power until the Obama issues are resolved?

I see some value in Obama serving 1461 days in office, as he is likely to severely damage the Left, and end any question of legitimacy of Socialism, any of the 60’s ideas, etc. Unfortunately, we have to suffer the whole time.

The Blago scenario looks to be quite serious; offering the position of US Senator to the highest bidder seems easily as serious as obstruction / conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice, and easily on par with Watergate.

Buying and selling offices: this spells the end of the US. We need to handle this situation now, while it only involves a Senator (1 or 50), and before claims of immunity can be raised

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If there’s stuff on the tapes, and enough details get leaked, then political intercession will be difficult. We survived Watergate (during wartime, and involving a sitting president, not one in waiting).

If there really have been crimes committed, we can easily survive this (lesser) process.

Arbalest on December 14, 2008 at 7:56 PM

If there really have been crimes committed, we can easily survive this (lesser) process.

Arbalest on December 14, 2008 at 7:56 PM

I would be surprised if it were not at the very least an ethics violation if Rahm were offered a quid pro quo and did not report it. Isn’t he still a Congressman?

I don’t know if Obama is still subject to Senate rules or if there are other ethics rules that apply to a POTUS-elect. Is he still a licensed lawyer? As such, would he be required to report an attempted illegal act as an officer of the court?

Y-not on December 14, 2008 at 8:23 PM

I would be surprised if it were not at the very least an ethics violation if Rahm were offered a quid pro quo and did not report it.
Y-not on December 14, 2008 at 8:23 PM

FYI, In trying to answer my own question, I found that Volokh Conspiracy has a post with one opinion on this issue here.

Y-not on December 14, 2008 at 9:37 PM

All the above & more….. just think,.. the Olympics are coming to Chicago in 2016… & Chicago is licking it’s chops to dig into that Cash-Cow….

RaisinsofWrath on December 15, 2008 at 2:00 AM

Even Mica Brezsinski is getting skeptical about the idiot messiah over this story. She actually mocked the MSM for having gone to Wasilla, en force, to check out Trig’s birth circumstances, while ignoring the Chicago cesspool of politics that the Precedent-Elect came out of. They were ripping BHO apart on MSNBC Morning Joe, with Barnacle and some twerp lefty reporter trying to excuse BHO, pathetically, while Joe Scarborough mocked their attempts. No one could explain why BHO is silent, without implying that something is very wrong. Hmmmm. The dam is starting to show some cracks and the rats are going to be scurrying, soon, methinks.

progressoverpeace on December 15, 2008 at 8:26 AM

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