World markets take a beating on bailout failure; Update: White House “considering” TARP fund loan; Update: TARP funds coming
posted at 9:16 am on December 12, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Doing the right thing doesn’t necessarily mean that no negative consequences will arise, and the world markets have delivered those this morning after the failure of the automaker bailout package last night in the Senate. International exchange indexes have dropped between three to six percent overnight on the news, and the futures market for Wall Street looks equally grim:
World stock markets plunged Friday as the U.S. Senate’s rejection of a $14 billion deal to rescue Detroit’s ailing automakers stoked concerns that the recession in the world’s largest economy will be even longer and deeper than projected.
The FTSE 100 of leading British shares was down 127.87 points, or 2.9 percent, at 4,260.82, while Germany’s DAX fell 185.22 points, or 3.9 percent, to 4,581.98. The CAC-40 in France fell 130.48 points, or 4.0 percent, to 3,175.65.
Earlier, Asian markets tumbled, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 stock average down 484.68 points, or 5.6 percent, to 8,235.87. Hong Kong’s Hang Seng index slid 5.5 percent to 14,758.39.
U.S. stock index futures pointed to a big sell-off later on Wall Street. The Dow Jones industrial average was projected to drop 259 points, or 3.0 percent, to 8,311, while the broader Standard & Poor’s 500 index was forecast to fall 32.90 points, or 3.8 percent, to 841.60.
They needn’t be too concerned. Based on Politico’s reporting of remarks made by VP Dick Cheney to a group of Republican Senators on Wednesday, the White House appears ready to ride to the bailout rescue:
Administration officials have been warning for weeks that failure to pass the bill could lead to an even deeper recession.
That was the message Vice President Dick Cheney brought to a closed-door Senate GOP lunch Wednesday, reportedly warning that it’ll be “Herbert Hoover” time if aid to the industry was rejected, according to a senator familiar with the remarks. A Cheney spokeswoman would neither confirm nor deny the vice president’s remarks.
The White House could still use its authority under the financial bailout law known as the Troubled Assets Relief Program to provide aid to the industry, but the Bush administration has strongly resisted that approach. Meanwhile, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has warned that he could not be relied on as a backstop if additional loans were needed for the first quarter of next year.
“Herbert Hoover time”? That’s a pretty serious misreading of history. The Great Depression started off as a credit crisis of sorts, with margin calls going unanswered after a stock market crash. However, that just set off a sharp recession. It didn’t turn into a Great Depression, with deflation and capital destruction, until Hoover started massive government intervention in the marketplace, raising taxes and erecting trade barriers. FDR followed that with even higher taxes and massive government jobs programs that stripped the private sector of badly-needed investment capital as well as opportunities to perform those same tasks more efficiently.
If anything, this bailout mania has been much more reminiscent of Hoover than the vote yesterday. And Hoover didn’t have the lessons of history that Cheney and the rest of the bailout disciples have today. We saw what massive government intervention did to markets then, and what it did to credit markets over the last ten years. When will people finally learn that government distortion creates massively bad results?
Without a doubt, the Bush administration will look at the markets and panic — again — into cutting big loans to automakers. If that doesn’t happen by the closing bell today, it will happen before the markets open again on Monday. At this point, though, the Bush administration is history, not the future, and they can answer for their ridiculous economic policies over last two months when the automakers demand even more subsidies to continue doing exactly what led them into near-bankruptcy in March.
Update: Right on time:
The White House said Friday it is willing to consider using some of the $700 billion Wall Street bailout fund to help the U.S. auto industry. …
The White House said it was evaluating its options in light of the breakdown on Capitol Hill.
“It’s disappointing that Congress failed to act tonight,” Deputy Press Secretary Tony Fratto said in a statement. “We think the legislation we negotiated provided an opportunity to use funds already appropriated for automakers and presented the best chance to avoid a disorderly bankruptcy while ensuring taxpayer funds only go to firms whose stakeholders were prepared to make difficult decisions to become viable.”
By the closing bell today. Bet on it.
Update: Fox Business just issued an on-air report at noon ET saying that Treasury has indeed decided to use TARP funds for the bailout. I told you so.










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The markets are down because they are hooked on government money intervening to smooth out the natural business cycle.
At 11 a.m. the DJIA is down 63 points; the NASDAQ is up. That is good news. The markets are getting over their addiction, hopefully.
PattyJ on December 12, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Of course . . . I hadn’t considered that. LOL
rplat on December 12, 2008 at 11:02 AM
I love Bush as much as anyone and still will but this is BS. Please act like a conservative for a minute. Its almost like Bush is just asking Obama what he wants and then does it.
lavell12 on December 12, 2008 at 11:11 AM
No bailout without tying it to some economic stimulus like lower corporate tax rates or lower social spending.
We shouldn’t be putting economic fires out a cup of water at a time. Tie this to something substantive.
Chubbs65 on December 12, 2008 at 11:12 AM
The majority of those jobs aren’t union jobs in the Gig 3, but a mix of union and non-union jobs at far smaller suppliers. Many of those companies run solid businesses that supply both American and Japanese automakers. But if 50% of your business is coming from GM and you can’t collect, most likely can’t afford the Chapter 11 process and reorganize. You simply fold. But don’t worry- there are hundreds of Asian manufacturers ready to step in and fill the void.
Krugman isn’t saying anything new. He’s reciting what economists across the spectrum, from Keynes to Galbraith, have realized as the core problems that lead to the Great Depression, which was ultimately caused by bad government policy. It’s not coincidental that major bank crashes rarely occur in the post Depression era.
bayam on December 12, 2008 at 11:14 AM
<blockquoteKrugman isn’t saying anything new. He’s reciting what economists across the spectrum, from Keynes to Galbraith, have realized as the core problems that lead to the Great Depression, which was ultimately caused by bad government policy. It’s not coincidental that major bank crashes rarely occur in the post Depression era.
bayam on December 12, 2008 at 11:14 AM
The spectrum between Keynes and Galbraith isn’t very wide. Such a spectrum would exclude a lot of mainstream economists.
phronesis on December 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Oops.
The spectrum between Keynes and Galbraith isn’t very wide. Such a spectrum would exclude a lot of mainstream economists.
phronesis on December 12, 2008 at 11:21 AM
What people must realize that this isn’t capitalism and socialism got us in this mess with Barney Frank and others forcing banks to loan to people who couldn’t afford the loan. Michigan has the highest corporate tax rate and that has killed the state and Detroit, that is Socialism not Capitalism.
lavell12 on December 12, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Second verse, same as the firsts.
It’s late, it’s late
I must rebuild my legacy before it’s too late
Polls down, polls down
Don’t want the Georgetown crowd to think I’m a complete clown
Maybe we better order a GM in pink
Before that company does completely sink
Or a Chrysler in blue
Before they meet their Waterloo
Can’t think, can’t think
Laura, I could sure use a drink!
MB4 on December 12, 2008 at 11:28 AM
I wonder what the White House comment line pro/con ratio is running regarding using TARP funds for the auto companies and the UAW. It took nearly 10 minutes waiting leave a “No bailout” request.
BadDogMN on December 12, 2008 at 11:32 AM
And even Stigliz, who is certainly no right winger , thinks Ch. 11 is the best option in this case. I’m in favor of intervention to prevent the implosion of the capital markets, but given that this whole mess started with the misallocation of capital (too much capital was allocated to housing), we should be wary of massive amounts of new government spending which further lead to further misallocations of capital.
phronesis on December 12, 2008 at 11:35 AM
I am hoping that the most recent White House comments were made prior to the markets opening to dampen the hit stocks will take today.
I’m withholding comment on Bush until this is all finalizd but I must say that I am pleased the Senate GOP did the right thing and am very impressed with Sen. Corker. This guy needs to be put out front and center a bit more.
grdred944 on December 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Is nobody asking that members of congress cut their salaries to a dollar? They are more responsible than the CEOs of the big three for the mess the automakers are in.
Vashta.Nerada on December 12, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Umm, don’t you mean, when did President Bush turn into Jimmy Carter?
sanantonian on December 12, 2008 at 11:52 AM
I’m just sickened by this idea of bailing them out.
Mr. Bingley on December 12, 2008 at 11:55 AM
yeah if it fails its not Obamas fault. Its not Jan 20th yet.
johnnyU on December 12, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Ed, I think the coordinated efforts by the largest central banks and financial institutions at the onset of the debt crisis make this entirely different from the Hoover/Depression scenario. You were telling us how fundamentally sound and essentially vibrant the American economy was not too long ago.
lexhamfox on December 12, 2008 at 12:05 PM
How much of the UAW bailout money will be used to fund the card check initiative? The UAW can’t feed off GM much longer – they need to move south and start feeding off of Toyota and Honda.
Vashta.Nerada on December 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Gnashing teeth and tearing my hair. Instead of a glimmer of hope that the U. S. automakers could be saved Bush is making the handoff Obama needs to get this to the next congress. Now Obama, Reed, and Pelosi will be able to perpetuate the UAW on the taxpayers’ nickle. Simply disgusting!
BadDogMN on December 12, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Update: Fox Business just issued an on-air report at noon ET saying that Treasury has indeed decided to use TARP funds for the bailout. I told you so.
That wasn’t exactly the most difficult prediction to make was it?
t.ferg on December 12, 2008 at 12:12 PM
If we are to remain the world’s economic leader, poorly run companies MUST be allowed to fail.
Sheerq on December 12, 2008 at 12:14 PM
The auto unions didn’t want to give a mm until 2011.
May the Blago clusterfark and the big-3 ‘bailout’ destroy the unions for good. They had a place, in 1800, but not in this global economy.
The political fallout might hurt those who claim to be “for the people” but to hell with them. They just like to keep their sheeple in a modern day serfdom, for power.
No company can remain competitive with the union set up of today. It’s simply a 21st century reality. The markets might work, after all, give it a year.
GWB, Foxtrott Yankee. I always wanted to say that to a president, while I still am free to do so. This is an applicable moment.
Entelechy on December 12, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Again like I said earlier the TARP money is going to be spent anyway.
terryannonline on December 12, 2008 at 12:14 PM
I am beginning to believe that the MSM had Bush tagged correctly. The intrusion into private industry can only be thought to be a good idea by a moron.
belad on December 12, 2008 at 12:14 PM
…plus the Allies were buying tons of military stuff from us.
jgapinoy on December 12, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Ouchy…. hadn’t thought about that aspect…
Scenario… UAW is the problem, but card check passes… and they go “organize” those southern plants to be Union… using the “pension” arguement to get the cards they need for 50.1%….
So, in essence, this buys them the time to force the working plants, into their unworkable framework…
Romeo13 on December 12, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Hold the phone!?!
Isn’t the use of TARP for the Big 3 ILLEGAL?? The TARP specifically states that it is for Financial Institutions. The use of it for auto makers would be illegal. WTF?
Passed on December 12, 2008 at 12:16 PM
I heard this analogy on KFI 640AM, LA, this morning “you don’t give blood to a patient who’s still bleeding heavily”.
1. stop the bleeding
2. stabilize patient
3. in parallel begin transfusion
All else is being farked in our wallets, over, and over again. Taxpayers, wake up. Reality is always reality.
Entelechy on December 12, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Yep. Lots of fertile ground for the UAW to plow at Toyota and Honda, done in large part with taxpayer help. Card check is the key.
a capella on December 12, 2008 at 12:18 PM
What I don’t get is why some of you seem more upset today then when months ago when TARP passed? And it seems inconsistent that some of the same Republicans senators who voted FOR TARP, voted against the auto industry bailout.
terryannonline on December 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Bait and switch. Automakers(union bailout) weren’t mentioned when the original bill went through.
a capella on December 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM
is there any doubt in your mind that the libs want to destroy our country?
marklmail on December 12, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Bayam:
I knew you were a world class military thinker but I didn’t realize that you are on your way to a Nobel in Economics.
The Great Depression started off as a more serious then average financial panic which had pushed the economy into a recession that was about to bottom out in 1931. At this point the Europeans decided to ditch the Gold Standard. The ensuing outflow of gold forced the Federal Reserve to defend the dollar by withdrawing reserves from the banking system which promptly collapsed driving the economy into what we call the Great Depression.
I happen to disagree with Friedman’s criticism of the Fed in 1931-33. By law, we were on the Gold Standard and the Fed had to defend the dollar. One of Roosevelt’s first actions was to take us off Gold. Only then did the economy bottom out and begin to expand a bit. The European Economies had a two year head start on recovery because they wisely took this step.
Despite the new deal the US economy continued in the doldrums throughout the 1930s and only revived after WWII in Europe began. Europe outperformed the United States during this period precisely because they didn’t adopt Keynesian solutions.
The irony is that John Maynard Keynes laid out the future economic history of Europe in his essay “The Economic Consequences of the Peace” in 1919 and again in his “Treatise on Money written shortly before the Depression. Instead of reading his own works he decided that he needed a new theory to explain what he already explained.
jerryofva on December 12, 2008 at 12:21 PM
What happened to Pres. Bush?
FireBlogger on December 12, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Next in line with their hands out: California, New York, New Jersey.
Wethal on December 12, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Who’s going to stop them? Who has standing to file anything in court?
Wethal on December 12, 2008 at 12:26 PM
What happened to Pres. Bush?
He was always thus. Remember the line? “If a child is hurting the government must act?” or something like that? (Not sure of the exact quote, someone at AOS mentioned it.)
jdub on December 12, 2008 at 12:26 PM
This is all getting ridiculous – do we need to break out the guns to stop this crap?
Vashta.Nerada on December 12, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Boys. Boys?
I heard the same nightmares about the auto plants that the man from Tex wrote about infra. (drunk all day, no quality, management control very poor, etc.) and I think the time for such strong labor is gone.
But China will end up with all the jobs, anyway.
We can’t compete with $50 a month workers unless the Marvelous Marxist we just elected starts dismantling NAFTA and erecting trade barriers.
Then it will hit the fan! And the water pump..
IlikedAUH2O on December 12, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Nothing; he’s as he ever was.
A guy over at Ace put it well:
George W. Bush has always been a somewhat left-of-center moderate when it comes to anything domestic.
Kensington on December 12, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Well, George W. Bush may not suit your definition of “conservative”, but to call him a liberal…?
YYZ on December 12, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Alright. You have a point. TARP said nothing about the helping the auto industry. I’m just saying we should have drawn the line in the sand a while back. The American people overwhelming didn’t want this auto industry 14 billion bail out but were not as vocal during 700 billion bailout.
terryannonline on December 12, 2008 at 12:33 PM
So what’s your take on the current situation? Are the current government actions going to help or hurt? Should I
start stocking up on can food and gasoline, and get my wood stove working? Cause if we’re heading toward a depression I’m not going to be taking a handout from the government that got us into it. No sarcasm by the way, I’d really like your opinion.
meltenn on December 12, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Bumper sticker seen on Limo 1:
“Legacy First”
ex-Democrat on December 12, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Perhaps he was referring to the plans being made by the Obama Administration.
Texas Gal on December 12, 2008 at 12:35 PM
I have a feeling this global financial markets crash is paving the way for the antichrist to come on the scene and bring peace temporarily and stability back to world markets. Read this. Take a peek into the future, and see what I mean.
apacalyps on December 12, 2008 at 12:37 PM
I also heard that the same strings or perhaps even tigher ones will be attached to the TARP funds as the ones in Coker’s deal that the UAW busted.
Texas Gal on December 12, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Yeah…. become a terrorist. You don’t like what elected officials do …then by all means get your guns out and shoot something. (sarc)
lexhamfox on December 12, 2008 at 12:42 PM
This is old (from 2004), but it bears repeating:
FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
They examined the effect of National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) on the economy.
INC on December 12, 2008 at 12:43 PM
If that’s true, it’s the only bright spot in this whole sickening mess.
Rae on December 12, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Goldberg writing in 2004:
Compare with liberal fave FDR:
This TARP thing should come as no surprise then.
LastRick on December 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Are you calling our Founders terrorists?
Rae on December 12, 2008 at 12:46 PM
So is the country.
ex-Democrat on December 12, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Mel:
I think that since the Fed is intent on not sucking liquidity out of the banking system we will avoid a Great Depression sized collapse.
However, the real cause of the coming economic disaster is Cap and Trade. The Europeans have abandoned green jobs because there aren’t any. Measures to combat non-existant global warming are job killers.
jerryofva on December 12, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Just finished 1776 so I’m ready.
btw, in 1776 there were plenty of “loyalists” sabotaging the rabels.
We have our own Tories in our midst today….they’re called Democrats.
ex-Democrat on December 12, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Boy, what a bonehead Bush turned out to be. Ever sense I saw him holding a killdee during dove season I knew he was a potlicker.
saiga on December 12, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Bet that didn’t stop you and 90% of everyone else here from voting for him twice though, did it?
Grow Fins on December 12, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Sad but true.
saiga on December 12, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Hm, as of 12.52 pm:
^DJI 8578.63 +13.54
^IXIC 1525.46 +17.58 (NASDAQ)
^GSPC 874.44 +0.85 (S&P 500)
rbj on December 12, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Considering the alternatives, it was an easy choice.
Vashta.Nerada on December 12, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I’d vote for him again if the alternative were Al Gore or John Kerry. In a heartbeat.
Kensington on December 12, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Hoover did not bail out the banks
The auto bailout is not a trade barrier. Taxes have not yet been raised, but when they are raised it will be to cover 700 billion for banks to buy other banks, not 20 billion for the auto industry
The no strings bank bailouts did not release private sector capital.That is why the auto companies which have entitlement burdens are collapsing in a slow market. The government will not release the companies from that obligation and if their pension funds fail, the government will be required to back up the Pension Guarantees anyway
The higher taxes will be needed to pay for the no strings bank bailout
In common with Hoover will be the Hooverville towns of people without work, or homes. They cannot keep passing unemployment extensions. At that point the massive jobs programs will kick in to avoid a Hoover trademark, the Hoovervilles of homeless unemployed
It is estimated that up to 1 trillion in credit will be cut off next year, in credit card lines and small loans, courtesy of the bailed out banks who do not exist to serve the taxpayer, although they feasted on the bones recently
Had Bush acted like Hoover and let the banks fail, we would have had a market full crash and a fast Depression instead of a slow one. It depends on how you like people to suffer, all at once to the death, or slow and steady. Considering the riots we have had in the past for a lot less, I am not sure we could have suvived a full crash. The mistake was allowing the crooked banks to use the bailout like the crooks they are
entagor on December 12, 2008 at 12:56 PM
No, I voted libertarian in 2000, a luxury I no longer have after Sept. 11, 2001. In 2004 I voted for a war time president vs. a cut & runner.
rbj on December 12, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Indeed, it’s Obama. You’re a genius!!!
Entelechy on December 12, 2008 at 12:57 PM
It’s time for conservatives to boycott the Big 3, and organize a coordinated bailout protest in front of their city halls.
Rae on December 12, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Nah, he’s no bonehead, this is intentional. I think that the election results have been cooked up and predetermined for decades. He cracked the economy coconut and out popped a trillion dollars; then he passes off to the Dems and they suck the coconut dry. Disaster/steal/rinse/repeat.
Venusian Visitor on December 12, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Let’s riot in the streets!!!
/DeMint
omnipotent on December 12, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Boycott an industry already in trouble? Why?
terryannonline on December 12, 2008 at 1:01 PM
I’ve been boycotting their crappy products since my 1986 Pontiac 6000 STE (2 transmission failures, saggy roof upholstery, poor ABS, most electronics failed….). Total POS.
It’s Toyota for me (my 2002 Tundra was assembled in Indiana).
omnipotent on December 12, 2008 at 1:08 PM
I think I’ll go buy that can food now.
meltenn on December 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM
No!
Break out the pitchforks and torches!
I’ll meet you on the Mall.
belad on December 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM
and what are you proposing? … wait around until the conservatives grow a pair? fix this at the next election? just take it and deal with it? write my representatives letters?
tell you what … i am more fortunate that others. i have about 12 months of work remaining. but my 401k decreased about 60% in value and in this wonderful market i am unable to sell my house.
to quote another …
“… whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
the elected officials are greatly distressing the current and future safety and happiness of myself and my family.
AZ_Redneck on December 12, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Not picking on you but something that I think needs to be clarified. Ford is not asking for a bailout and based on the testimony of the CEO is not looking at bankruptcy. Ford asked for a line of credit to be called upon in the case their situation worsened.
GM is the one in trouble along with Chrysler (which is a privately owned company now.)
So when the Big 3 is referred to, it’s not really all 3 that are asking for money, each of them have their own individual situations.
Texas Gal on December 12, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Great, now we have the taxpayers subsidizing union thugs…
JIMV on December 12, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Where do I send in my application for money?
right2bright on December 12, 2008 at 1:13 PM
I won’t be organizing or participating in any protests, but I’ll never buy another car from those three companies again.
hindmost on December 12, 2008 at 1:14 PM
To force the companies to destroy the number one culprit, the unions, for good.
Entelechy on December 12, 2008 at 1:20 PM
If this is true….imagine the unions publicly nixing a deal because they want to keep a wage of $75/hr in pay and benefits. And trying to defend it. It would be like the Corker negotiations taking place in public.
Wethal on December 12, 2008 at 1:21 PM
The whole industry is not in trouble. Only the Big 3. These problems are of their own making, with a lot of help from Congress and the UAW.
Call it “bailout blowback.” Let the Dems buy their cars for a change.
Then I won’t call for a boycott of Ford until they ask for their taxpayer-funded “line of credit.”
I’m with ya, my AZ brother. It’s our duty, and our Founders would expect us to do something, and not allow their heroic efforts in the founding of this Republic be in vain. It’s tragic that we’ve let it go so far that the Republic a mere shell of what it once was.
Rae on December 12, 2008 at 1:23 PM
So you want to abolish the government, AZ_Redneck? If you want to be the next Timothy McVeigh, then go right ahead, no one is stopping you.
wise_man on December 12, 2008 at 1:24 PM
The Constitution and the government are not one and inseperable. The people of the various states, authorizing their individual representatives created the federal government. It was not the other way around. The national government has, especially since the end of the Civil War, usurped powers that it was never intended to have. All the while telling the American people that the government and the Consitution were one and the same. People entering the military take an oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution…”, not the federal government. But what do you do when the federal government attacks the Constitution? People fret over losing their first amendment and second amendment rights all the time. They didn’t even notice that the ninth and tenth amendments died a long time ago.
So here we are. The federal government and its surrogate unions, banks and businesses holding a gun to the heads of the American prople and demanding tribute as if it is their right to rob the people of their own wealth.
God…How did we get to this point?
sdd on December 12, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Hoover did bailout banks with loans to them by the RFC
Bush is an interventioninst just like Hoover:
America’s Great Depression (PDF) (368 pgs) (Murray Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics, 2000)
“When Hoover finally took over the White House, he followed his own advice, and made it an engine of interference, first pumping more credit into an already overheated economy and, then, when the bubble burst, doing everything in his power to organize government rescue operations.”
Herbert Hoover Redux (Ivan Eland, M.B.A. Applied Economics, Ph.D. National Security Policy)
Poptech on December 12, 2008 at 1:28 PM
mel:
If you can get MREs go with those. They taste like s**t but you will be well nourished. You can store more MRE then you can cans. Plus at 3500 caleries you only need to eat half a pack a day.
jerryofva on December 12, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Oh, Entelechy, you are such a sweety. Aww shucks, well now I’m blushing.
apacalyps on December 12, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Big Three Bailout – Give Me a Break (Video) (5min) (John Stossel, 20/20)
Poptech on December 12, 2008 at 1:31 PM
As I understand it the UAW guy wouldn’t give ‘a date certain’ when the UAW would commit to being competitive with the other southern auto plants and when I listened to his presser he had touted an email that had no To or From on it that was given to him that he read as if it was to reveal some conspiracy by the Reps to get him into a negotiation that would serve to bust the Union and Card Check. As childish as he sounded, that seemed to be the justification he hid behind for busting the deal.
I’m sure the UAW thinks they will get a better deal with Paulson but perhaps not becasue that presser was followed by a segment on Fox with a FBN rep that said according to their information the TARP deal would have the same strings and maybe tighter ones.
Texas Gal on December 12, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Yeah while putting millions more people out of jobs?
terryannonline on December 12, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Well, I wonder how many of those lame duck Republicans voted for it.
You want to look more like Europe, failing the bailout is the way.
sethstorm on December 12, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Hey..
The military MRE’s are pretty good! Especially the beef enchiladas and chicken alfredo!! I’ve had them thru 2 hurricanes now. But those commercial MRE that are sold for camping (can’t remember the brand) are very bland and gave me heartburn.
*wink*
Texas Gal on December 12, 2008 at 1:42 PM
That’s what Reaganist Republicans will do at any chance.
This will put them on record that they were the ones responsible for selling out to foreign interests, cheap shots at the UAW, and irrational hate.
A thank you goes to all the transplants as they’ll have helped in making Detroit muscle more accessible. Time to start drafting those letters the folks at Honda and Toyota, as well as the others.
sethstorm on December 12, 2008 at 1:44 PM
No one’s going to buy their cars … if we’d wanted to do that, we would have. All this bailout is going to do is fund the unions (and the Democratic party), set a precedent so they get additional billions down the road — not to mention the dozens (dare we say more?) of other mismanaged organizations who are going to want to jump on board — and postpone the inevitable closings of these once worthwhile companies … but before they go under, they’ll elect some more liberal politicians … because we gave them the money, courtesy of you and me.
Way to go, Mr. President. I wish you’d had the courage to think this one through, and come out on the side of the American people instead of the @(*Y!*(&!! unions.
eucher on December 12, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Capitalism…..look it up sometime, comrade.
omnipotent on December 12, 2008 at 1:51 PM
At least he knows to protect the golden goose. No more Detroit, no more cars they could still buy and be of the US. Transplants from the RTW Belt don’t count.
sethstorm on December 12, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Excellent idea. I’ll add that to the list.
That was supposed to be canned food by the way. Mrs. Foshie (my high school English teacher) would be ashamed of me.
meltenn on December 12, 2008 at 1:56 PM
We’re witnessing our entire government acting without fear of the people holding them accountable. They are riding roughshod over the constitution, perpetually violating it without a single thought or care.
LimeyGeek on December 12, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Last time I looked I can be a capitalist and not want to organize protests.
terryannonline on December 12, 2008 at 2:00 PM
You underestimate the power that Detroit has by virtue having a near-monopoly on affordable muscle. Besides, it makes looking and buying one of their cars that more easier for me to do.
He did come on the side of the American people. It’s the people who aren’t predisposed to hate Detroit metal.
sethstorm on December 12, 2008 at 2:00 PM
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